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You know, I'm wary of Zither now because Cole said "No, you need someone nice."

 

So....according to Cole, Zither isn't nice. Or at least wouldn't be to Maryden.

 

=/

 

 

Yep, must be one of those playboy musicians. :P

 

He's still such a fun character/class. I want to see that as a mage spec.


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Yep, must be one of those playboy musicians. :P

 

He's still such a fun character/class. I want to see that as a mage spec.

 

I really enjoyed Zither and Isabela's banter when I was playing with Shari.

 

"Looking good sweet thing",

"Right back at you, gorgeous".

 

:wub: ....

 

0:46:

 

 

Now I have a hankering to play the multiplayer, I'm logging on now if anyone wants to join (PC).



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IMO, the games where I felt like my choices mattered most weren't the ones that dangled the possibility of "player choice" for the overarching plot.  The main plot was still on rails, and the world didn't change much, but I had thousands of little choices to make, and I saw their impact over 50+ hours of gameplay.  Baldur's Gate 2 comes to mind, as do Planescape: Torment and Deus Ex: Human Revolution.  In these games, the story doesn't change with your choices, but the type of story does.

 

Planescape: Torment could be anything from bittersweet redemption tale to surrealism to tragedy to horror.  Baldur's Gate 2 swung from the most standard of Hero's Journey stories, to a really depraved tale about the corrupting nature of power.  Nice cop Adam Jensen and cold corporate murder-Jensen have the same main plot, but feel like fundamentally different people.  These kinds of choices are the ones that stuck with me.

Hmm. I'm trying to figure out how to respond to this without being that annoying fan ranting about a game no one else plays or cares about.

 

I have... to disagree on the Human Revolution point. I loved that game, don't get me wrong, but it didn't really feel like Jensen was different no matter what. I usually play either an angry kill-em-all Jensen or a sneaky-sneak pacifist Jensen, but most of the differences I have between them come entirely down to headcanon and roleplay. Granted, it's been a while since I played. (And I should probably do another run through to prepare for Mankind Divided...)

 

As for the rest - it's not impossible, no, but Dragon Age doesn't really do it. It does dangle the possibility for major revision in your face, only to fail to follow through on it. So do so many other games these days (And maybe back before "these days" - being a younger gamer I'm not really qualified to speculate.)  And I just want to drop the act or own up - I'd have much rather have the oppurtunity to expand on my Lavellan, on her relationship with Solas, on what sort of Inquisitor she is, over the opportunity to... I dunno, pick between two voice actors, or explore the Hissing Wastes. It's frustrating to see what made it into the game, and know that they were prioritized over all the other things it's lacking - and to what end?

 

*Sigh* Maybe I'm jaded because I've freshly completed a game that really did alter itself in response to your decisions and choices (One choice in particular.) and it was made by random indie working mostly by himself on a comparatively shoe-string budget. It feels so strange a guy like that can make me feel like my choices matter, when a studio of industry vets with corporate backing can't.



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So....I was just browsing tumblr and saw an aesthetic set for Kieran and something dawned on me,

 

It totally sucks that he's not in every worldstate cause older Kieran as a blood mage would be an awesome companion. Cause I think he's a blood mage with all the blood comments he makes.

 

*irritated sigh*


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Hmm. I'm trying to figure out how to respond to this without being that annoying fan ranting about a game no one else plays or cares about.

 

I have... to disagree on the Human Revolution point. I loved that game, don't get me wrong, but it didn't really feel like Jensen was different no matter what. I usually play either an angry kill-em-all Jensen or a sneaky-sneak pacifist Jensen, but most of the differences I have between them come entirely down to headcanon and roleplay. Granted, it's been a while since I played. (And I should probably do another run through to prepare for Mankind Divided...)

 

 

That was my point, which was evidently not very clear :)

 

Angry murder Jensen and pacifist, kind Jensen share a plot, VA, cast, and worldstate.  But IMO all of the little tiny roleplaying decisions in dialogue/sidequests, and the difference in headcanon, made them feel like two different people.  Which for me changed the overall experience of the game.  Though I get that it won't work for everyone.

 

 



*Sigh* Maybe I'm jaded because I've freshly completed a game that really did alter itself in response to your decisions and choices (One choice in particular.) and it was made by random indie working mostly by himself on a comparatively shoe-string budget. It feels so strange a guy like that can make me feel like my choices matter, when a studio of industry vets with corporate backing can't.

 

One of my favorite survival games is Zombie Exodus, done by one guy.  It's probably the most responsive game I've played recently.  It's also only text and pictures.  That's why Zombie Exodus can actually alter its world, cast, and story in response to player action.  All it costs is time and text.  The guy writing it doesn't have to come up triple-A quality animations, art, and VA for each potential branch.  He doesn't have to pay people to create that stuff.  This is also why modders can create so much for the game, with apparently so little.

 

EDIT: Sorry if I come off a bit touchy about this stuff.  Absolutely nothing against indie game designers or modders; they do awesome work.  But I have a few friends who work for large studios, and sometimes I feel like all they get is "Why didn't you include everything we want?" They do work their butts off.  But budgeting is a different beast if you work at a studio like Sony or EA or Riot, and nine times out of ten, budget is the reason why something couldn't be done.


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I have a question. Why does the title call this place The Blanketfort?

 

Because it's a safe place for Solas fans to take refugee from the endless hatred he gets elsewhere on the forums (while we welcome debate on his character, we do like people to be polite about it).  And also because post-romance you need somewhere soft and warm with blankets and hot chocolate to ease the burden of your heart.


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But if you go the Spirit route, he erases who he is. He goes from being Cole to being Compassion. 

 

The same is true on the human path.

 

In fact, more true, since he was Compassion first.  But neither choice is 'right' and both involve him having to give up a part of himself.
 



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I like both choices with Cole.....but can I just say....

 

Spirit Cole gets mega props because of Krem feels.

 

Krem and Maryden are freaking adorable. Like, if I had any confidence in writing I would write that ship because it made my heart freaking flutter.

 

I loved how the game took a glitch and made it into something adorable for that romance. 

 

You should try writing something for them anyway.  You are a good writer.  You can always share it in the private writing thread if you're unsure.  If it's the trans aspect of Krem then there's plenty of writing help blogs that can help with this (by pointing towards resources or saying what tropes you should avoid).
 


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I need advice: Which expression is most 'disparaging':

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I want to draw one. Heck, I may draw both.



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I need advice: Which expression is most 'disparaging':

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I want to draw one. Heck, I may draw both.

 

The first one.

 

Related, kind of: I hate that scene.  My Dalish would just be '?????? have fun with the furniture?  I'm gonna go sleep outside, like a normal person.'


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The first one.

 

Related, kind of: I hate that scene.  My Dalish would just be '?????? have fun with the furniture?  I'm gonna go sleep outside, like a normal person.'

 

I'm yet to get that one, I think I'll try on my next Inquisitor. I started working on that pic first :D.



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Honestly, that scene still confuses me. I had no idea what was going on or why I should care what Vivienne was doing to furniture that I thought was her own.


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Honestly, that scene still confuses me. I had no idea what was going on or why I should care what Vivienne was doing to furniture that I thought was her own.

 

Probably another one of her tests :P.



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I think it failed. :lol: Or I failed.


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Honestly, that scene still confuses me. I had no idea what was going on or why I should care what Vivienne was doing to furniture that I thought was her own.

 

Me too..  It's kind of like. 

 

Vivienne:  I'm going to show the Inquisitor how awesome and in control I am by... rearranging the furniture!  Yes!  See I AM relevant!  I can annoy the INQUISITOR!  MUAHAHAHA 

 

My Inquisitor:  *confused* Uh... right.  So, I didn't actually hire you for maintenance... but, uh, carry on.  Let Ser Morris know if you need a mop bucket or something.

 

The scene would be loads better if we could do something...anything other than flail helplessly at Vivienne's forced awesome.  Poor Quizzie... cursed with cut-scene incompetence.


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Isn't she moving out or something? I haven't watched the scene cause I haven't seen it yet but I don't mind spoiling it. I've watched it just without sound.



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Honestly, that scene still confuses me. I had no idea what was going on or why I should care what Vivienne was doing to furniture that I thought was her own.

 

I have a feeling it was meant to be Viv moving out our furniture and replacing it with her own, but since the location looks identical it doesn't work (and she's always triggered the scene right after I get to Skyhold so I've never seen it any other way).

 

It's a lazy scene in many ways because it's meant to be showing how 'in control' she is, but three our of four of my Inquisitors wouldn't give a crap, and my Trevelyan is fantastic game player herself and honestly wouldn't be phased by Viv's pettiness.

 

Viv is a great character but there's a lot of shortcuts taken with her character, and this scene is one of them.


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Isn't she moving out or something? I haven't watched the scene cause I haven't seen it yet but I don't mind spoiling it. I've watched it just without sound.

No, she's just rearranging the furniture to annoy the Inquisitor. My Lavellan didn't care. "You have fun with that, I'm going to go talk to Solas."


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No, she's just rearranging the furniture to annoy the Inquisitor. My Lavellan didn't care. "You have fun with that, I'm going to go talk to Solas."

 

 

The scene really shows that DAI was written with a human protagonist in mind.
 


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I have a feeling it was meant to be Viv moving out our furniture and replacing it with her own, but since the location looks identical it doesn't work (and she's always triggered the scene right after I get to Skyhold so I've never seen it any other way).

 

It's a lazy scene in many ways because it's meant to be showing how 'in control' she is, but three our of four of my Inquisitors wouldn't give a crap, and my Trevelyan is fantastic game player herself and honestly wouldn't be phased by Viv's pettiness.

 

Viv is a great character but there's a lot of shortcuts taken with her character, and this scene is one of them.

Now that would make more sense! I still wouldn't care. I agree, it was a lazy scene.



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Now that would make more sense! I still wouldn't care. I agree, it was a lazy scene.

 

The scene would work much better if she was redecorating the throne room (especially as my Lavellan picked Dalish related stuff) and had talked around the Advisors that her way was much better for the Inquisition's PR.

 

As it is it just looks petty and silly.  Have fun with moving that sofa, my dear.  Meanwhile I'll go sit on my nice owl throne and make judgements.  Oh, a chance to increase mage rights?  I'll take it.  Sorry, Vivi, can't hear you over the sound of how much power I have.
 


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I've never had that scene because despite everything my Lavellan and Viv get on pretty well but I take it as being one of those cultural things. In Orelsian society re-arranging or disposing of your host's furniture is very insulting as it implies they have bad taste and low standards but it's meaningless to a nomad Dalish. 

 

It's similar to the discussion they have about mages my girl's all 'of course mages need to be trained' because few things are more dangerous than one who is untrained, Sten sword without a hilt analogy comes to mind, but Vivienne takes that to mean she agrees with forcing mages to live in circles. 


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I took Vivienne and Solas with me everywhere, I really wonder what her reaction would've been when finding out Solas' identity. She only did the 'greatly disapprove' thing. I think Sera freaked out though.


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I've never had that scene because despite everything my Lavellan and Viv get on pretty well but I take it as being one of those cultural things. In Orelsian society re-arranging or disposing of your host's furniture is very insulting as it implies they have bad taste and low standards but it's meaningless to a nomad Dalish. 

 

It's similar to the discussion they have about mages my girl's all 'of course mages need to be trained' because few things are more dangerous than one who is untrained, Sten sword without a hilt analogy comes to mind, but Vivienne takes that to mean she agrees with forcing mages to live in circles. 

 

I've only played my Lavellan (keep trying to play other Inkies...) and the best relationship they've ever had is 'don't entirely hate each other.'
 


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I've only played my Lavellan (keep trying to play other Inkies...) and the best relationship they've ever had is 'don't entirely hate each other.'


It's a bit of mix of approval/disapproval about mages but my Lavellan does appreciate Viv's advice about human society which flatters Vivienne's ego so they get on mostly because of that.