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[Ellawynn]

I could play a Baldur's Gate or PS:T style game and be perfectly happy with limited VA and graphics.  But that stuff doesn't exist just because it's pretty.  It's there to boost immersion, which is also important in an RPG.  Maybe it's not as important to some players as it is to others.  I mean, I'm fine with a grid, some plastic miniatures, and some friends

 

But IMO it's important to remember that the folks on this forum, while we are BioWare's most consistent demographic, are not representative of most of their players.  BioWare is part of a triple-A studio now, and there are certain things that gamers expect of triple-A studios, that they need to sell their games and keep their jobs.  Like VA, animation, or graphics.  (Remember the hulabaloo over Witcher 3's PC graphics?)  Those things, at least in terms of RPGs, tend to fall more on the side of immersion and less on the side of responsiveness.  Is that a good thing?  IMO it's a wash, and the answer depends on what you as a player value in your RPGs.  Immersion certainly has its place; not gonna lie, the wooden animations and expressions for the Warden back in DA:O certainly jolt me out of the game.

Eh, maybe that's it then. Immersion's never been a big point for me. It seems weird to me that anyone would sacrifice a good story and game just for immersion's sake.

 

Although, that leads to the question of why AAA developers are demanded to deliver these things when they could create a better game without them. And as I understand, the issue with the Witcher's graphics was less that they weren't as good as they could get, but because they weren't as good as CDPR originally promised they would be. Which is a hole they dug themselves, if true.

[Uirebhiril]

Also, the Warden was certianly relevant to DAI given all the potentially deep connections they have to people and things in the plot. I mean, this thread is pretty keen on getting the Inquisitor back to deal with Solas, but the Warden wasn't able to be back in a story where their love interest may have died or got the well stuck in their head or became Divine and/or Evil. Of course, that may not apply to DA4

 

Who Solas is and what he is doing goes well beyond the romance aspect. Those that befriended or even hated him are the ones that make the most sense to deal with him, because building Solas up as a sympathetic character only to have a new protagonist face him down would be strange. The new person would not have the same experience and knowledge of the character, so what was the point of making him more than just another companion that happens to betray you?

 

And speaking for myself, I want to see the story through far more with my befriended Inquisitor than the romanced one. The story there is going to be... interesting if we get to do at least that much with the Inquisitor.

[Ariella]

You've seen the Catquisition, right?
 

source: https://www.reddit.c...omments/2rryt4/
 
Such a handsome mane 

Oh dear. No, I haven't see it before. Awwww.

I feel better now. Not enough to go tilting at windmills just yet but...

[NeverlandHunter]

I already posted there, and I guess I sounded reasonable because no one went after me. I have a hard time bothering with the edgelords that populate most of the BSN, and anyone who is so assblasted about Solas not being 100% forthcoming with them that they have to write ten pages about it.

 

He had every reason to hold back what he knew, and what and who he was. Several times he said entirely too much, because he got too comfortable, because wanted to have these relationships where he could be honest. I don't agree with everything he does and says, but I understand where he's coming from. I hope that I can find another way and save him, but it may be that he's a goner either way.

 

Yes, all of the "I'm gonna kill him so hard with blood and fire, this pixel man who totes betrayed me and made me feel dumb, rawr!"

 

Why do people think the Warden is even relevant? It's been 10-15 years right? They should be hearing their Calling by now, regardless of how OP they were by the end of Awakening. The Blight and whatever it is that drives it is really my favorite antagonist in the game at the moment, though. It might be cool if you could do one last adventure with a Warden just to see them in Frostbite, but I find it unlikely that the devs will put resources towards that. There's just so much amazing stuff in terms of expanding on lore, environments and creating new characters, that I'd rather they dump money into for DA4.

I don't mind the longer posts, you don't have to read them and I've written long rants about Solas for the exact same thing   I also think it's fine that people are p*ssed off at him and hate his character. As I said before it's better to memorable, hated or loved, then forgettable as a fictional character. I also don't think it's very fair to mock people who get very emotional about the pixel man when many of us in the thread love that pixel man and his wonderful bald head. To sides of the same coin isn't it? As long as people aren't being rude and are expressing themselves in a somewhat decent manner I don't see the issue with hating or loving his character. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Also, I believe the most realistic age for the Warden in Origins was late teens to early or mid twenties. So that puts them at about their mid thirties. I'm pretty sure the Grey Wardens go through their Calling mid life, so I think they're good for at least another 10 years!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Although, that leads to the question of why AAA developers are demanded to deliver these things when they could create a better game without them. And as I understand, the issue with the Witcher's graphics was less that they weren't as good as they could get, but because they weren't as good as CDPR originally promised they would be. Which is a hole they dug themselves, if true.

 

I don't think it would necessarily be a better game.  Or maybe the more salient question is this: better for whom?  Better for hardcore RPG gamers, maybe  Better for the developers' sales?  Unlikely.  Better for the majority of BioWare's customers?  Probably not.

 

As for CDPR, yes they dug themselves a hole.  But if players really cared more about narrative responsiveness than graphics, they wouldn't have raised such a fuss.  It goes both ways.  And CDPR is hardly unique in promising more than they can deliver; that was the origin of this discussion, gaming companies promising "your choices matter" when they really don't.  For me, the end result is that I don't believe most of the PR, so I buy very few games at launch and full retail price.  I don't have any assurance that what I see in the blurb and what I'll get in the game are at all related.  It's a sad state of affairs, and no one company or developer is to blame for it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

As I said before it's better to memorable, hated or loved, then forgettable as a fictional character. I also don't think it's very fair to mock people who get very emotional about the pixel man when many of us in the thread love that pixel man and his wonderful bald head. To sides of the same coin isn't it? As long as people aren't being rude and are expressing themselves in a somewhat decent manner I don't see the issue with hating or loving his character. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

IMO there's a distinction between having an emotional response toward the character (yay! good character!) and taking the character very personally ( ?)  And that goes for hating him and loving him.  Every time I see something like "Solas betrayed me" or "Solas loves me," referring to the player rather than the Inquisitor, I wonder a bit.  

[Uirebhiril]

IMO there's a distinction between having an emotional response toward the character (yay! good character!) and taking the character very personally ( ?)  And that goes for hating him and loving him.  Every time I see something like "Solas betrayed me" or "Solas loves me," referring to the player rather than the Inquisitor, I wonder a bit.  

 

That's my exact feeling. Solas didn't do a damn thing to me. I felt all sorts of emotions and feelings playing the game, but it was much like reading a book and relating to the characters and their struggles. That's normal and expected for entertainment, but the moment you seriously take it as some form of personal betrayal or intense heartbreak then it really is time to step back a bit.

[CapricornSun]

So was this interview with David Gaider posted here before?

 

 

I just saw it appear on my Tumblr dash.

 

Source: http://arlath-mavhen...their-hour-long

Spoiler

"Video Game Sophistry just uploaded their hour long interview with David Gaider about Dragon Age: Inquisition! 

 

They go over these broader topics:

 

The Beginning (What BioWare did after DA2?)

Solas Changes (What was cut from and changed about Solas?)

New Challenges (What gameplay features made Inquisition difficult to write?)

Characters (Gaider outlines the creation of Cassandra and Dorian.)

The Ending (Now that the game is officially done, what’s next?)"

 

 

I just started watching it and what interested me was the OP's tumblr tags:

Spoiler

#WHAT FASCINATES ME THE MOST THO #IS HOW GAIDER SAID THE ORIGINAL STORY FOR INQUISITION WAS CUT IN HALF #AND THE SECOND HALF IS STILL 'IN PLAY' FOR THE NEXT GAME #AND IN WEEKES HANDS

 

Apologies if the thread has already seen and discussed this.

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Apologies if the thread has already seen and discussed this.

 

WHAAAAAT

 

Will have to watch this when I'm not at work chasing stray pixels.

[Cee]

What?

!

 

!!!

 

Will have to watch later. Catching up with work things with some background TV I don't have to pay much attention to.

[midnight tea]

That's my exact feeling. Solas didn't do a damn thing to me. I felt all sorts of emotions and feelings playing the game, but it was much like reading a book and relating to the characters and their struggles. That's normal and expected for entertainment, but the moment you seriously take it as some form of personal betrayal or intense heartbreak then it really is time to step back a bit.

 

From what I know it is a pretty... hmm... instinctual reaction to many people? At least based on studies like the one mentioned here: http://www.dailymail...characters.html

 

I've also had a link to a study mentioned that for some time after reading a story we kind of 'live' in it or our brain - at least temporarily - think its pretty real, but goddamnit - I can't find it in my hoarded mass of links :/

[rowrow]

So was this interview with David Gaider posted here before?

 

 

I just saw it appear on my Tumblr dash.

 

Source: http://arlath-mavhen...their-hour-long

Spoiler

"Video Game Sophistry just uploaded their hour long interview with David Gaider about Dragon Age: Inquisition! 

 

They go over these broader topics:

 

The Beginning (What BioWare did after DA2?)

Solas Changes (What was cut from and changed about Solas?)

New Challenges (What gameplay features made Inquisition difficult to write?)

Characters (Gaider outlines the creation of Cassandra and Dorian.)

The Ending (Now that the game is officially done, what’s next?)"

 

 

I just started watching it and what interested me was the OP's tumblr tags:

Spoiler

#WHAT FASCINATES ME THE MOST THO #IS HOW GAIDER SAID THE ORIGINAL STORY FOR INQUISITION WAS CUT IN HALF #AND THE SECOND HALF IS STILL 'IN PLAY' FOR THE NEXT GAME #AND IN WEEKES HANDS

 

Apologies if the thread has already seen and discussed this.

 

A 3 hour interview with DG? *Faints*

[rowrow]

All three parts:

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5874CRBcCRM

[midnight tea]

So was this interview with David Gaider posted here before?

 

 

I just saw it appear on my Tumblr dash.

 

I just started watching it and what interested me was the OP's tumblr tags:

Spoiler

#WHAT FASCINATES ME THE MOST THO #IS HOW GAIDER SAID THE ORIGINAL STORY FOR INQUISITION WAS CUT IN HALF #AND THE SECOND HALF IS STILL 'IN PLAY' FOR THE NEXT GAME #AND IN WEEKES HANDS

 

 

For spoilered part - yup, I think this think is veeeeeery interesting and suggests more than anything why they've given new arc for Inky and hoe it's very possible that they're going to appear in extensive role in the next game...

[drosophila]

IMO there's a distinction between having an emotional response toward the character (yay! good character!) and taking the character very personally ( ?)  And that goes for hating him and loving him.  Every time I see something like "Solas betrayed me" or "Solas loves me," referring to the player rather than the Inquisitor, I wonder a bit.  

 

Yes, I think some emotion is unavoidable, especially if someone is a sensitive and emotional person. But once the initial feels fade, it's better to take a step back and realize emotions are just that - they're temporary, they distort reality, and they tend to make things simpler than they really are. Then it's time to reason and form a more balanced opinion of a character instead of feeding this emotional cycle to no end. 

[drosophila]

From what I know it is a pretty... hmm... instinctual reaction to many people? At least based on studies like the one mentioned here: http://www.dailymail...characters.html

 

I've also had a link to a study mentioned that for some time after reading a story we kind of 'live' in it or our brain - at least temporarily - think its pretty real, but goddamnit - I can't find it in my hoarded mass of links :/

 

Yep, I agree that it's an instinct and not something you have 100% control over. But at the same time, it's short-lived. I wouldn't really judge how anyone feels about a character the first couple of weeks after they've finished the game. 

 

But after some time has passed, one has a choice whether to think and form an opinion that's more based on reason, or just to continue taking feelings at face value and thus giving them more fuel. 

[S.W.]

Viv is a great character but there's a lot of shortcuts taken with her character, and this scene is one of them.

 
^ a summary of mt feelings on Viv.
 
Interestingly I've never hit low approval. My Lavellan's quite canny and has always been very careful in conversation with her - I think one of the first questions she asked, my Lavellan responded, 'well, I want to restore order [after the mage/templar war]' and Vivienne greatly approved. What Viv didn't know is that my Lavellan's idea of that would involve wholeheartedly supporting the mages and abolishing the circles - which were, in my Lavellan's opinion, a source of chaos and disruption rather than control.
 

Mini art break~
 
I think you guys will enjoy this:

Spoiler

anpan-chan

 

[/spoiler]

This is hilarious because none of the relationships match up at all, even if the expressions do. Solas is brothers with Cole??? Cassandra is flirting with him???  

 
 

Oooh! I did a thing a little while back on the companion reactions to finding out who Solas was!
*Goes to find it and that took longer than expected*
Yes I am quoting myself 
Solas Thread - The Blanketfort

 Posted by NeverlandHunter on 29 September 2015 - 12:41 AM

GoldenGail3, on 28 Sept 2015 - 11:52 PM, said:
Let's take a moment to imagine everyone's reaction to Solas being Fen'Harel.
 
[snip]

Morrigan: Tis' unexpected indeed... that he was ever someone so competent.

 
PAHAHAH dream on Morri. I swear every word she speaks is loaded with 50% bullshit in Inqusition.
 

If anyone wants to play Pillars of Eternity ..it's 50% off on GOG right now.
 
Edit: Witcher 3 is 30% off

 
Oh man.
 
I wanted to actually work really, really hard complete this semester with a distinction... but I also want PoE
 

 

The calling is 30 years from joining. Bioware has quietly retconned that to more of an upper limit, but there's no particular reason to think the Warden is getting particularly close. After all Alistair, Loghain and Stroud are all going strong.

Also, the Warden was certainly relevant to DAI given all the potentially deep connections they have to people and things in the plot. I mean, this thread is pretty keen on getting the Inquisitor back to deal with Solas, but the Warden wasn't able to be back in a story where their love interest may have died or got the well stuck in their head or became Divine and/or Evil. Of course, that may not apply to DA4.

I though 30 years is the upper limit, and was always meant as such, but it is vague as to what the lower limit is? Alistair said you had 'thirty years to live' but that did not mean that it was always so high - exceptions are mentioned, such as in times of blight or surrounded by more darkspawn, you're likely to reach your calling more quickly.

Realistically, Alistair & the Warden should be close to their calling now.

[Ariella]

From what I know it is a pretty... hmm... instinctual reaction to many people? At least based on studies like the one mentioned here: http://www.dailymail...characters.html

 

I've also had a link to a study mentioned that for some time after reading a story we kind of 'live' in it or our brain - at least temporarily - think its pretty real, but goddamnit - I can't find it in my hoarded mass of links :/

 

The study kind of reminds me of something Stephen King said in his book On Writing (which if you like King is really good, especially the appendix On Living) that after he'd read a certain author he's own writing would take on aspects of that author without thinking about it. I know after watching an episode of West Wing, I would talk like a Sorkin character for a couple hours. It's a mark of a good piece, I think.

 

I haven't played Trespasser yet, as I've mentioned, however, the end scene of DAI was a sucker punch for me. As soon as I was able to pick my jaw up off the floor, I wanted to strangle Solas... for about five seconds. Then it was "good on you, Bioware! You made me give a damn!"

 

Which, is of course, the reason why I play these damn things.

 

My biggest worry about DA4 is how do you top this cast? The companions, imnsho, are the strongest cast of characters Bioware has done to date. So, it's going to take a lot to top these guys.

[Qun00]

It still amazes me that Solas has managed to learn this much about a world that is completely new to him in just one year

You could almost believe he was born in this age like everyone else.

[S.W.]

ALSO Sunny I am glad you are back I really missed your lovely art posts and your general, lovely presence.
 

[drosophila]

The study kind of reminds me of something Stephen King said in his book On Writing (which if you like King is really good, especially the appendix On Living) that after he'd read a certain author he's own writing would take on aspects of that author without thinking about it. I know after watching an episode of West Wing, I would talk like a Sorkin character for a couple hours. It's a mark of a good piece, I think.

 

This reminds me of what happened when I had recently finished Tresspasser and went into a meeting with my boss and some other people. I was a bit nervous and trying to cover it up. I was standing up and five minutes later I realized I've been holding my hands behind my back Solas style Which is not a pose I usually assume at all. 

 

 

I haven't played Trespasser yet, as I've mentioned, however, the end scene of DAI was a sucker punch for me. As soon as I was able to pick my jaw up off the floor, I wanted to strangle Solas... for about five seconds. Then it was "good on you, Bioware! You made me give a damn!"

 

That's exactly how I felt after finishing the main game. I was a gaming virgin and completely unspoiled back then. The feeling lasted for longer than five seconds, more like five days, but ultimately I think this is what made me become a serious fan instead of this having been just a temporary thing. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

My biggest worry about DA4 is how do you top this cast? The companions, imnsho, are the strongest cast of characters Bioware has done to date. So, it's going to take a lot to top these guys.

 

Calpernia and Maevaris.  Sassy, lovely, Tevinter ladies of epic winsauce 

 

(please O Weekes, let one of them be romanceable!)

 

@Ellawynn: I broke and started watching the interview instead of working  Gaider actually touches on what we were talking about, how they think about implementing player choices and worldstate.

[Raeona]

I had a random thought. Imagine if instead of Solas we'd gotten one of the other Evanuris as a companion. Like say Ghili'nain.

 

Quizzy: We need to seal the breach!

Ghili: Okay, so here's what we do. We start by breeding a bronto with a dragon and then...

[MayriyaNoori]

I had a random thought. Imagine if instead of Solas we'd gotten one of the other Evanuris as a companion. Like say Ghili'nain.

 

Quizzy: We need to seal the breach!

Ghili: Okay, so here's what we do. We start by breeding a bronto with a dragon and then...

June: I got this.

 

*builds house size supercharged lyrium blaster*

 

June: There.

Person: What does it....?

June: We're going to blow it up.

PersonL Sir, I don't think-

June:*glare*

Person: Okay, we're blowing it up.

[CapricornSun]

ALSO Sunny I am glad you are back I really missed your lovely art posts and your general, lovely presence.
 

 

D'awww!

 

 

 

Well, I have to go to bed now. I just finished listening to the interview and as expected, it's very interesting! Will have to listen to the first two parts in the morning.

 

G'night!