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^That is a really cool image!

So I've avoided joining in on the Feynite hype since I'm all a wannabe hipster and reject the popular, but my goodness can they write! Looking Glass is such a page turner and they update it sooo quickly (while not being quick enough  :P). The world they built up and their original characters and representation of canon characters is spectacular! 

I actually went and checked out her other fics and although it's popular I'm meh (it was still a good read though!) about the Dread Wolf's Heart... what I really like is their fic called The Damn Bagel Fic and Bagel Bites (read in that order) it is positively ridiculous while simultaneously being tear inducing hilarious and the fics greatness is definitely in large part do to their Lavellan. The character is wonderful on the same level as humorous Hawke, but even more ridiculously dramatic. If you're feeling down I definitely recommend those!

Sidenote: What is it with the Solas fandom and baked goods?  :lol:

Also I recommend The Haven Wildlife Rehabilitation Center by Feynite and if you guys missed this spin-off (is that the right word for it?) chapter of Looking Glass called Little Sacrifices which is terrible in a wonderfully written way.

 

Okay I'm done obsessing over Feynite. I've actually been reading a lot of new DA fics lately. People put so much effort into their writing *-* you're all so wonderful!

 

Her(?) bagel fic is wonderful. I think it was written mainly as an antidote to all the angst in Looking Glass. It was certainly that for me. :P


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Her(?) bagel fic is wonderful. I think it was written mainly as an antidote to all the angst in Looking Glass. It was certainly that for me. :P

It is X) it's made me laugh so much. 

I didn't want to offend by assuming her so I stayed gender neutral, but I think Feynite is a she :)

 

Well I'm heading off to sleepy sleepy dream world. Bye everyone and have a good[time zone]!



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Re: Feynite, it seems that she might be taking a break for a while. :(

 

http://feynites.tumb...i-need-to#notes

 

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Arghh noo! I was really hoping that she can let the comment bounce off of her, but I suppose a break is good too. That commenter was so rude and seems outright delusional (calling everyone else an abuser, but apparently she was very tactful).



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The men who romanced Jack in Mass Effect 2 would probably disagree. Though Jack was another character who also appeals to a lot of queer women, and she's straight. As far as characterization goes, I feel like Jack's story had some missed opportunity in it. You don't get the full story if not romancing her, which is fine, since some things are just for the closest person to you, but at some point, if you're female Shepard, she just kind of tells you to go away and that's it. No new dialogue. And despite the small role she has in ME3, I love what they did with Jack.

 

I personally think that's a really bad call on BioWare's part, and I would have thanked them not to do it again, except they did do it again. With Solas.

 

But the Jack romance in particular has some real-world unfortunate implications. Specifically, this article mentions that it perpetuates the idea that severely emotionally scarred women just need some hetero loving (and by love I mean "sex") from some hunky guy to get over her trauma. Quoth the article:

 

"Even the ostensibly progressive BioWare drops the ball, with their portrayal of Jack in Mass Effect 2. As this 1Up article points out, the only way to effectively cure her post-traumatic stress disorder is to literally **** it out of her. If you play as a female Shepard or just decide not to romance her, her character's story doesn't come to any kind of conclusion." (Below is a picture of male Shepard talking to Jack, and the caption says: "Decades of physical and mental torture have left you psychologically shattered? I hear my penis is great for that.")

 

But I shouldn't be too unfair about Jack. A lot of their romances are like that, for male and female PCs. Many romances are about "fixing" the LI's issues, and "the power of love" being able to overcome their emotional scars, and "love" not reaching fruition until they sleep together. (Part of why I'm so grateful that Solas' romance doesn't have a sex scene; it doesn't perpetuate this idea that love is only "real," "serious," or "special" after it gets physical.)


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I know right?

 

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If you read the rest of the rude commenter's replies, it is obvious that she has a lot of problems going on and handles it by taking everything wayyyyy to personally.



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Re: Feynite, it seems that she might be taking a break for a while. :(

 

http://feynites.tumb...i-need-to#notes

 

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That's sad to hear. I think she's a damn amazing writer, and she's been really great about filling prompts and answering character questions on her tumblr. I get the impression she could use a rest-break though - she updates so fast and writes all this extra stuff based on people's suggestions too.



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Arghh noo! I was really hoping that she can let the comment bounce off of her, but I suppose a break is good too. That commenter was so rude and seems outright delusional (calling everyone else an abuser, but apparently she was very tactful).

 

Yes, a break would be good for her. :( I was getting a bit stressed out myself just reading through the commenter's post.  :pinched:

 

If you read the rest of the rude commenter's replies, it is obvious that she has a lot of problems going on and handles it by taking everything wayyyyy to personally.

 

Yes, I did look through some of the replies and it does look like the commenter has some personal problems of their own. *sigh*  :unsure:



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I personally think that's a really bad call on BioWare's part, and I would have thanked them not to do it again, except they did do it again. With Solas.

 

But the Jack romance in particular has some real-world unfortunate implications. Specifically, this article mentions that it perpetuates the idea that severely emotionally scarred women just need some hetero loving (and by love I mean "sex") from some hunky guy to get over her trauma. Quoth the article:

*snip*

I actually addressed this in my follow-up post on the matter. But yes, the criticism is deserved in that regard.

 

With Solas, I feel differently, because the one real difference is the vallaslin matter, and it's the one thing unique to this romance. Everything else, to one degree or another, is open to all Inquisitors.

 

A massive amount of Jack's character development is simply locked behind romance. With Solas, it is not.



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Elgar'nan: We will set them on fire.

Quizzy: They're Rage demons. They're already on fire. 

Elgar'nan: MORE FIRE, DAMNIT!

Y'all can have your Sexy Dirthamen and your Mad Arcanist June.

I get my Hilariously Homicidal and Temperamental Elgie the Thunderer.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


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Ugh, people sometimes. If you dislike something so much, unfollow, stop reading, etc. Just move on with your life, don't be mean to other people.

Her fics haven't seemed like my thing, so I haven't read any, but a lot like them. Criticize, sure, but be civil about it.

Hopefully it gives her time to feel better.


What the? This is horrible! I haven't read her long fics but her tumblr drabbles are awesome and she comes across as the sweetest person ever.

And regardless who it is actually, no one should be treated like that. It drives me mad when people criticise anyone like that. I'm not talking about constructive feedback, I'm talking about mean, selfish, entitled, "You, volunteer writer who does this with no professional help and posts their work within ridiculously short deadlines, you *owe* me the kind of fic I desire because the universe was created to meet my demands." type of criticism.

I hope the break helps.
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Just my two cent rambling on the Feynite situation..

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Hmm, well I guess that could be true. Maybe the looming shadow of the Calling is what made the Warden decide to hunt for a cure (at the worst possible point, but how were they to know Southern Thedas would go to sh*t as soon as they left? :P ). I wonder what will be done with the Warden in the future... they can't possibly still have her/him hunting for the cure, and if my Warden was searching for it she found it. The Warden gets sh*t done. So how will they sideline a cured exWarden? I hope they don't kill them  <_< I will cry like a small child.

I have no doubt that Sera would have been hated a lot more if she was a male. That cutesy, prankster, unintelligible rebel type works a lot better in DA because she's female. How often do you see a young male with that personality type in media for a mature audience? And when you do I can almost guarantee that the media is targeted at women and is probably Japanese (aka shoujo). Bratty females are often more tolerated than bratty males.

 

Solas I'm much more unsure about. Part of me thinks he'd have been well received as a female character, not if she Solas was bald though. Our society puts too much of a emphasis on female hair for that to go unnoticed. I might be a terrible person for saying so, but I think a lot of guys would be put off by a bald female character and wouldn't romance her simply for that reason. I think many women would be too, but from my experience the straight guys are a little more vocal on potential love interests looks than women are. I don't think she Solas would be hated more, but I doubt her romance would be as popular as he Solas's is. 

 

It's interesting to think about how gender might effect our perception of characters.

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Iron Bull would've been called Shokrakar (okay, maybe not but a girl can dream).

 

I've seen fanart of fem!Dorian.  She is... wow.  Probably wouldn't be hellspirialing in here if Dorian were a woman.  For a start I wouldn't have romanced Fem'Harel since that would've involved rolling a male character.  Would've been annoyed that, once again, the mysterious plot important female mage was male only.

 

Fem!Dorian/Shokrakar would've been much better received than Adoriabull, I think. 
 


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The men who romanced Jack in Mass Effect 2 would probably disagree. Though Jack was another character who also appeals to a lot of queer women, and she's straight. As far as characterization goes, I feel like Jack's story had some missed opportunity in it. You don't get the full story if not romancing her, which is fine, since some things are just for the closest person to you, but at some point, if you're female Shepard, she just kind of tells you to go away and that's it. No new dialogue. And despite the small role she has in ME3, I love what they did with Jack.

 

Jack was bisexual.  She just wasn't romanceable by women.



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I think MJ and I are the 'Cassandra's heterosexuality led us into the Solavellan hellspiral' team. :lol:

 

*waves*


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Jack is a character with a really fascinating premise who I thought was handled clumsily and almost exploitatively at first. If they'd given her a better treatment I think she would've been a character very dear to my heart, but as she is, I find her disturbingly cartoonish. I honestly think that the way she's written, most players would never have let her on their ship if she was male. It feels like the whole 'super-biotic psycho terrorist' angle wasn't taken seriously enough by the writers - because she's a young woman. At the same time, much of her personality feels designed to titillate rather than to evoke real sympathy or serious thought about what she's been through. Not cool.

 

I saw a good analysis of her armour over on Bikini Armour Battle Damage on tumblr (fantastic blog) which pointed out that her armour is one of the few positive examples of skimpy armour since it fits with her character.  I can't link it due to being on mobile but it should be the first thing in their mass effect tag and it's dated 12th Oct.  Should be easy to find.



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I personally think that's a really bad call on BioWare's part, and I would have thanked them not to do it again, except they did do it again. With Solas.

 

But the Jack romance in particular has some real-world unfortunate implications. Specifically, this article mentions that it perpetuates the idea that severely emotionally scarred women just need some hetero loving (and by love I mean "sex") from some hunky guy to get over her trauma. Quoth the article:

 

"Even the ostensibly progressive BioWare drops the ball, with their portrayal of Jack in Mass Effect 2. As this 1Up article points out, the only way to effectively cure her post-traumatic stress disorder is to literally **** it out of her. If you play as a female Shepard or just decide not to romance her, her character's story doesn't come to any kind of conclusion." (Below is a picture of male Shepard talking to Jack, and the caption says: "Decades of physical and mental torture have left you psychologically shattered? I hear my penis is great for that.")

 

But I shouldn't be too unfair about Jack. A lot of their romances are like that, for male and female PCs. Many romances are about "fixing" the LI's issues, and "the power of love" being able to overcome their emotional scars, and "love" not reaching fruition until they sleep together. (Part of why I'm so grateful that Solas' romance doesn't have a sex scene; it doesn't perpetuate this idea that love is only "real," "serious," or "special" after it gets physical.)

 

That article is so inaccurate that it makes it hard to take his good points seriously.


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I've seen fanart of fem!Dorian.  She is... wow.

 

I want to see this now.



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Also, when you're trying to work and this:

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Little art post. :)

 

First off, I want to show you guys this lovely artwork that auraned made of my Lavellan in a gorgeous dress. <3

(With Solas' wolf jawbone necklace wrapped around the arrow she's holding.)

 

Solas and Lavellan in the Fade. 2 versions: One with a Lavellan with vallaslin and another without.

 

Solavellan artwork by deedylovescake

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Dreamer boyfriends. (Solavellan)

 

Solas and Lavellan cuddling in bed. (With a short accompanying fic in the link.)


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I saw a good analysis of her armour over on Bikini Armour Battle Damage on tumblr (fantastic blog) which pointed out that her armour is one of the few positive examples of skimpy armour since it fits with her character.  I can't link it due to being on mobile but it should be the first thing in their mass effect tag and it's dated 12th Oct.  Should be easy to find.

 

Wow, interesting blog. I salute what they're doing. And some of those pics are hilarious :)

 

This post? http://bikiniarmorba...so-i-thought-id

 

I don't think I would agree about Jack's outfit not being sexualised though. I know it 'fits' her personality, but her personality could be (and is) expressed in many ways that don't require a strappy boob harness.

 

Say what you like, boobs are always really distracting when they're *that* uncovered, even if you're not into women. I'm not attracted to Morrigan, but there are still times when I hear her talking away and I just find myself thinking, 'boobs.' :P I'm reasonably sure the concept designers are not so jaded that they're unaware of the effect those things have on the attention. It's not used as an afterthought. Whether the character's personality fits is one question. Another is how often they're using sex to secure interest in a female character before other things. Like it's a baseline requirement.


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Re: Feynite, it seems that she might be taking a break for a while. :(

 

http://feynites.tumb...i-need-to#notes

 

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Seriously? I'm just floored by how ignorant and rude the original commenter is. And she is wrong, the only person that looks like an abuser right now is herself. Wow, just wow :? And then when one reader calls her on her **** she goes into full on attack mode with negative critique line by line with threats to continue such attacks on the writers work because her 'fans' choose to stick up for her. Just get off the internet already.  :sick:

 

I get that readers want the story to progress, but all this was uncalled for. I'm glad Feynite is taking a break.



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Seriously? I'm just floored by how ignorant and rude the original commenter is. And she is wrong, the only person that looks like an abuser right now is herself. Wow, just wow :? And then when one reader calls her on her **** she goes into full on attack mode with negative critique line by line with threats to continue such attacks on the writers work because her 'fans' choose to stick up for her. Just get off the internet already.  :sick:

 

I get that readers want the story to progress, but all this was uncalled for. I'm glad Feynite is taking a break.

That was just sad, especially after Feynite has been quite open about how anxious she is about sharing her writing. And for something that's quite normal as far as dividing chapters with long scenes, and not "manipulative" or however you want to call it, at all. *sighs* It's just sad that, when you have someone get even a little bit of exposure online, something like that is bound to happen at some point.


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That was just sad, especially after Feynite has been quite open about how anxious she is about sharing her writing. And for something that's quite normal as far as dividing chapters with long scenes, and not "manipulative" or however you want to call it, at all. *sighs* It's just sad that, when you have someone get even a little bit of exposure online, something like that is bound to happen at some point.


Even in novels, tv, etc, things end on cliff hangers. DAI ended on a cliff hanger. It's really strange to me someone would have a problem with this.

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I feel bad for feynite but I also feel a bit sad for the commenter. She seems more paranoid and delusional than intentionally malicious.

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Eh... the sky is blue, water is wet and there are trolls on the Internet - a sad fact of life  -_-

 

With that said, I'm surprised how quickly this thing has escalated - from passive-aggressive and somewhat entitled, but generally not really that threatening comment to 'fu!' and all kinds of vitriol and claims of abuse pouring on author after a polite comment. Like 'wut?'. This person indeed seem to have some issues. I think it would be best if everyone just ignored her, for both hers and their sakes.