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[Ynqve]

I believe in a doctrine of tough love.

 

There's tough love and then there's acting like an *******. There's no need to enter a thread with the intent of antagonizing people just because you can.

[TanithAeyrs]

That's an interesting thought. But I suppose we would need to know more about romances. Is it "begin a romance > lock the romance (nobody else is permitted) > finish the romance" or is it a bit more chaotic? I mean, at this pace, at least Female Lavellan could end up with an unwanted harem.
 
Lavellan: "Varric, why is my table full of gifts?"
 
Varric: "Ah, sorry, sometimes I forget that you Dalish don't know many festivities. Just like Daisy. Well, today is Wintersend. It was once a festivity to honour the Old God of Beauty, but now it's dedicated to the Maker. People like it for trading, going to the theater... and arranging marriages."
 
Lavellan: "That doesn't explain the gifts."
 
Varric: "Well, as far as I know, those roses are from our valiant General Cullen. Fade-guy Solas left that old tome of Arlathan lore. Those jewels... I'm sure Sera stole them from a nasty Orlesian lady. I think the armor was Iron Bull's idea, always the pragmatic guy. And that bottle of sweet Antivan wine comes from Scribbles, I mean, Lady Josephine."
 
Lavellan: "And no gift from you, Varric?"
 
Varric: "Sorry, sweetheart."

ROFLMAO

Love this dialog. But alas, I have wildannie's problem. I ran out of likes in about 10 minutes this morning. Likes to all the wonderful Solas discussion and PC concepts.

[manabloom]

Traditionalist Dalish don't necessarily hate shemlen; the Dalish in general are wary of shemlen in Andrastian lands due to the fact that shemlen are a threat to them, from human lords driving them off their land when they stay too long to templars pursuing mages in the clan. We meet Dalish characters like Lanaya, Cammen, Elora, Athras, and Deygan who aren't outright hostile to a non-elven protagonist, to name just a few. Even Danyla's daughter can be convinced to back down from killing the human who attacked her mother by saying she wouldn't want this - so I'm not seeing why people think that Dalish automatically means that you hate shemlen when this isn't the case. There's actually supposed to be a semi-permanent colony of Dalish living near a Rivaini settlement where the humans follow the Natural Order, and the humans are encouraged to purchase elven goods.

 

Traditionalist would be more about viewing all spirits as dangerous (and not adhering to the Andrastian distinctions of Spirits and Demons), or along those lines. Which may likely conflict with Soris' own views of spirits and the Beyond, since he seems to have formulated his own views in contrast to what Dalish and Andrastians believe.

 

I'm late because sleep, but THIS^^^! I don't know why everyone assumes that Dalish automatically equals hate... Wariness and fear are different, and pretty called for, considering there's a history of things like humans killing Dalish children... just because??? I know there've been some bad examples, but I also think that there's been more examples of reasonable and/or even tentatively friendly Dalish elves than there has been of aggressive ones... In the games, at least, as I'm not sure about the likes of the books. (I bought tME but I haven't been able to sit down and actually read it, so I know more summary than details.) For more examples, Mithra is not exactly pleased when a non-Dalish Warden approaches the camp, but she's not outwardly hostile. Varathorn treats you as a guest right out of the gate. Gheyna gives you a friendly greeting if you approach her. Sarel is antagonistic and rude, but one of the hunters will interrupt and admonish him for it. Also, even though Sarel is initially rude, he'll come around sooner than later... His hostility is based more on losing his wife to the werewolf attack, I believe. I haven't played my Dalish Warden in some time, and I think he'll only reveal that to them... But still. I guess it's just that the ones that do yell and sneer make more of an impression than the ones that (essentially) wave and smile? I know some of Merrill's clan is nasty in 2, and it bums me out when it happens, but they're in a weird situation... And still, not all of them are. Illen, for instance, is pretty even-keeled.

 

I'm sorry if this is now off-topic but I thought it was important! I mean, if we want Solas for our LI, we're all going to have to be Dalish, so I think it's worth re-iterating that it doesn't have lock you into a moral alignment or anything.  I personally love DA's elves, both factions, and look forward to making a whole variety of personalities and mindsets for various Lavellans.

 

Now, I see that a fair amount of new posts have popped up while I was trying this... Let's see just how OT this really was...

[Fialka]

I think with the exclusion of certain people on Tumblr, most people have been polite and taking it in rather well for being such a restrictive romance.
I think most people were too shocked to be rude to the devs. I don't think anyone expected Solas to be so restricted.
 
Word of advice though, don't venture into the Solas tag on Tumblr. You're gonna see people being mean and saying that he's a mistake and shouldn't have been a romance and other dumb nonsense like that he's homophobic.
 
 
The only thing I'm truly worried about is having to make my vallaslin as close to invisible as possible, tbh. Not a fan of it.

Yeah, I thought most of the vallaslin in origins and da2 were a bit, well, ugly? Mm... Or I should say, not to my taste... I appreciate the reasons for the aesthetic, but wasn't a fan of the roughness of it, and the fact that it covered most of the face. The ones we've seen so far in inquisition I have liked though. That female elf inquisitor I believe Mike Laidlaw tweeted a picture of had a nice small one... And that elf in the Enemies trailer had that tree on his/her forehead I found really beautiful. I'm excited to see the rest. Hopefully for the people who don't like them they'll have some smaller options... You might even be able to hide it under some bangs or something!

[Kirie]

[DA]: In addition to dealing with the world’s perception of mages, he’s also elven. How does he deal with that much adversity?
[PW]: Honestly, Solas hates people who look at him and just see an elf. He considers that kind of attitude part of the black-and-white dichotomy that has led to so much tragedy in theDragon Age world. Templars versus mages, demons versus spirits, elves versus humans… it’s more complicated than that. Come to think of it, “It’s more complicated than that,” may actually be Solas’s battle cry.

And yet he has no problem with himself having that mindset. Hypocrite.

Can we seriously not jump to massive conclusions before we've even met him in-game yet, please? All we have is a few sentences of character dialogue and description, and that's really not fair to call him that when we don't even KNOW him yet or his reasonings. Really tired of hearing things like this tbh and I'm someone who wanted him bi and not racegated :/

[LobselVith8]

Interestingly, Solas' narrow-mindedness in this regard makes him a more compelling character to me. Even before meeting him in the game, it means he's not a walking stereotype and apparently has contradictions (that could make much sense to him, but not to others).

It isn't narrow-minded for an elf to want to have elven children, since it's impossible to have children with anyone outside his species.

Now I'm interested about his reaction if the Female Elf Inquisitor doesn't choose him. Party banter could get interesting.

If he wants to have children one day, I doubt he'll have an adverse reaction to an elven woman leading the Inquisition whom he isn't romantically involved with.

True, but although realistic from a Thedosian point of view, it could be full of unfortunate implications in real life. Still, Bioware has said repeatedly that companions aren't made to be universally liked, not even in-game. Female Elven Inquisitors aren't obliged to go the "elf kids route".

There's no true parallel to human racism over ethic differences when you're taking about two different (albeit fictional) species co-habitating the same continent.

[Phate Phoenix]

... I'm really excited about Sims 4 coming out so I can create Braeth/Solas children. 

[scintilla]

 

Can we seriously not jump to massive conclusions before we've even met him in-game yet, please? All we have is a few sentences of character dialogue and description, and that's really not fair to call him that when we don't even KNOW him yet or his reasonings. Really tired of hearing things like this tbh and I'm someone who wanted him bi and not racegated :/

 

This.  We made those assumptions based on knowing very little about his character.  There is much, much more to know, clearly.  The interviews aren't some kind of law and open-minded doesn't need to mean willing to sleep with anyone.

[sandalisthemaker]

 

 

This man can swing only with females and yeah he does not into shems, durgelen and cows

 

Thank you for so eloquently stating this.  Not a single one of us was already painfully aware.

 

 

 

 

 

[DA]: In addition to dealing with the world’s perception of mages, he’s also elven. How does he deal with that much adversity?

[PW]: Honestly, Solas hates people who look at him and just see an elf. He considers that kind of attitude part of the black-and-white dichotomy that has led to so much tragedy in theDragon Age world. Templars versus mages, demons versus spirits, elves versus humans… it’s more complicated than that. Come to think of it, “It’s more complicated than that,” may actually be Solas’s battle cry.

 

And yet he has no problem with himself having that mindset. Hypocrite. 

 

 

 

That doesn't make him a hypocrite.  One can be open-minded and still only be attracted to a certain gender.  Sexuality has nothing to do with open-mindedness.

 

Solas being straight and only into elves does not make me think less of him as a character. 

 

The problem I truly have with Solas being straight is the fact that it makes an equal number of options for gay and straight romance impossible, specifically when you break down how many options straight guys, straight girls, gay guys, and lesbians will end up getting.

[Phate Phoenix]

Can we seriously not jump to massive conclusions before we've even met him in-game yet, please? All we have is a few sentences of character dialogue and description, and that's really not fair to call him that when we don't even KNOW him yet or his reasonings. Really tired of hearing things like this tbh and I'm someone who wanted him bi and not racegated :/

 

This.  We made those assumptions based on knowing very little about his character.  There is much, much more to know, clearly.

 

Would you say it's more complicated than that?

[Illyria]

Hah, words from my mouth. The only times Fenris was friendzoned, were when I was playing male Hawkes, who tried to romance Anders or Merrill. But somehow Hawke's LIs in these playthroughs ended up on a bench, and I've been running around in the company of Fenris and Isabela (I adore their relationship, too). 

 

I really hope that the reason of gating is not breeding. I won't romance Solas on principle, then. Not that I'm against babies, but I don't want it to be his reason for falling for my Inquisitor.

 

Luckily, DAI has so many characters I'm interested in romancing, so I doubt I'll fall into the Fenris trap again (my love of his romance was partly due to his character, partly due to being the only DA2 LI I could stand to be around for longer than five minutes, even with his Mage Thing).  I even have the feeling that Solas isn't going to be my LI until my fifth playthrough (elven rogue) unless my Dalish mage goes in an unplanned direction.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can we seriously not jump to massive conclusions before we've even met him in-game yet, please? All we have is a few sentences of character dialogue and description, and that's really not fair to call him that when we don't even KNOW him yet or his reasonings. Really tired of hearing things like this tbh and I'm someone who wanted him bi and not racegated :/

I'm allowed to express dislike just as much as others are allowed to express like. 

 

 

That doesn't make him a hypocrite.  One can be open-minded and still only be attracted to a certain gender.  Sexuality has nothing to do with open-mindedness.

 

Solas being straight and only into elves does not make me think less of him as a character. 

 

The problem I truly have with Solas being straight is the fact that it makes an equal number of options for gay and straight romance impossible. 

Yes, yes it does make him a hypocrite. He claims to hate when people do something yet does that very something himself. That is the definition of a hypocrite.

 

Not saying it does.

 

Yeah, not counting bisexuals(since they'll always have the most options) heterosexual females have the lead now(well, kinda. They have to be very specific to get it) with 3. Heterosexual males, homosexual males, and homosexual females are tied at 2.

[mindoirs]

Seriously, calling him a hypocrite is getting old. The game hasn't even come out yet.

 

Also in no way do we know whether he sees the elven Inquisitor as "just an elf". He very, very likely doesn't. So really. Whether it's his preference or his seclusion or something story related where the romance can only be locked and fulfilled with an elven female inquisitor, we don't know. Stop judging until the game comes out.

[Fialka]

I'm late because sleep, but THIS^^^! I don't know why everyone assumes that Dalish automatically equals hate... Wariness and fear are different, and pretty called for, considering there's a history of things like humans killing Dalish children... just because??? I know there've been some bad examples, but I also think that there's been more examples of reasonable and/or even tentatively friendly Dalish elves than there has been of aggressive ones... In the games, at least, as I'm not sure about the likes of the books. (I bought tME but I haven't been able to sit down and actually read it, so I know more summary than details.) For more examples, Mithra is not exactly pleased when a non-Dalish Warden approaches the camp, but she's not outwardly hostile. Varathorn treats you as a guest right out of the gate. Gheyna gives you a friendly greeting if you approach her. Sarel is antagonistic and rude, but one of the hunters will interrupt and admonish him for it. Also, even though Sarel is initially rude, he'll come around sooner than later... His hostility is based more on losing his wife to the werewolf attack, I believe. I haven't played my Dalish Warden in some time, and I think he'll only reveal that to them... But still. I guess it's just that the ones that do yell and sneer make more of an impression than the ones that (essentially) wave and smile? I know some of Merrill's clan is nasty in 2, and it bums me out when it happens, but they're in a weird situation... And still, not all of them are. Illen, for instance, is pretty even-keeled.
 
I'm sorry if this is now off-topic but I thought it was important! I mean, if we want Solas for our LI, we're all going to have to be Dalish, so I think it's worth re-iterating that it doesn't have lock you into a moral alignment or anything.  I personally love DA's elves, both factions, and look forward to making a whole variety of personalities and mindsets for various Lavellans.
 
Now, I see that a fair amount of new posts have popped up while I was trying this... Let's see just how OT this really was...

I agree... Even if I was one of the people who mentioned the shem-hating Dalish... It was more a reaction to the fact that that's the type of character so many people planning to play Dalish elves on the BSN seem to be gravitating toward - and its not a character type I have any interest in playing. You're right - the clan we meet in Origins is certainly not like that. Initial understandable hostility aside, they were pretty accepting of us as 'outsiders.' Unfortunately, our dealings with Merrill's clan, and the description of the Dalish elves in TME makes me feel like they were the exception versus the norm. Now that I've come up with a Dalish character I like, I'm actually quite excited to play her! Hopefully I'll have the dialogue choices to be able to play her... (Hawke's three 'set' personalities has me a bit worried, but I'm optimistic about the PC dialogue improving in DAI).

[jellobell]

If Solas wants to have children one day, that doesn't necessarily mean he wants to have them with just anyone - he might want to have children with someone he genuinely, truly loves.

 

And I have no problem with that...if it isn't the driving factor in his romance being so heavily gated. Because if the potential to have children is one of the reasons you're attracted to someone, and then you find out that person might not be willing, then that's going to be a problem. If the requirement for being "someone he genuinely, truly loves" is "able to have elf babies" - not even just babies at all, but ones of your own race - then I'm probably gonna have to pass.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm allowed to express dislike just as much as others are allowed to express like. 

 

 

Yes, yes it does make him a hypocrite. He claims to hate when people do something yet does that very something himself. That is the definition of a hypocrite.

 

Not saying it does.

 

Yeah, not counting bisexuals(since they'll always have the most options) heterosexual females have the lead now(well, kinda. They have to be very specific to get it) with 3. Heterosexual males, homosexual males, and homosexual females are tied at 2.

 

But you are treating sexuality as though it was a choice.  People don't choose who they are attracted to.  

 

That's why I don't fault Solas *himself.*  However, Solas is also a character, not a real person, so he was created by a team of writers. The fact that there was a conscious choice *by the writers* to make him straight -which throws off the equal numbers- is what personally leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

It is what it is, though.

[daveliam]

I don't think that Solas is a hypocrite for being straight.  Sexuality can't be helped.  He's straight, that's that.  It doesn't make him less open-minded.

 

I'm interested in the "only sees him as an elf" thing and how it will work with his interest in only elf females.  I'm sure that they have a way to make it work, but on the surface, I can see how people see these as possibly conflicting views.

 

And the "he wants elven babies" thing isn't really strong evidence at this point since there's been literally zero indication from the devs that Solas is interested in having elven children.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Seriously, calling him a hypocrite is getting old. The game hasn't even come out yet.

 

Also in no way do we know whether he sees the elven Inquisitor as "just an elf". He very, very likely doesn't. So really. Whether it's his preference or his seclusion or something story related where the romance can only be locked and fulfilled with an elven female inquisitor, we don't know. Stop judging until the game comes out.

People are allowed to draw conclusions with the information available. That's how that works. 

 

But you are treating sexuality as though it was a choice.  People don't choose who they are attracted to.  

 

That's why I don't fault Solas *himself.*  However, Solas is also a character, not a real person, so he was created by a team of writers. The fact that there was a conscious choice *by the writers* to make him straight which throws off the equal numbers is what personally leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

It is what it is, though.

I don't care that he is heterosexual. What bugs me is his whole "We shouldn't see people as just their race" and yet will only romance Elves. That is what is hypocritical about him. 

[QueenofFereldan]

Personally, I am intrigued with the reasons why they did this; like everyone else, I was expecting him to be bi and possibly ungated. So to hear he is only for elven females makes me wonder what is going to happen in his plotline. I am still gunning for Cullen first, but I might romance him, depending on if I like him or not in the game.

[mindoirs]

People are allowed to draw conclusions with the information available. That's how that works. 

 

I don't care that he is heterosexual. What bugs me is his whole "We shouldn't see people as just their race" and yet will only romance Elves. That is what is hypocritical about him. 

Okay, you're allowed to, but can't tell you that people aren't going to call you out on your jumping to conclusions when we know so little. Drawing conclusions when there's not substantial information available will garner you people who will accuse you of jumping the gun, that's how it works.

 

I say wait until the game actually comes out before making up a proper conclusion and already saying negative things about characters in their thread.

[Nefla]

Everyone keeps saying he only wants the lady elf for her womb and it makes me sad. as much as I'd have liked to romance him maybe with a male elf, I think it's an interesting dynamic for a LI to have a type they were into. I'm super surprised they would do his romance as such, since I said they would never make Varric solely for female dwarves, when now Solas is the elf version of it.

I understand that everyone is bummed, but it's bumming me out that no one seems to really want to romance him now out of almost resentment. Just because he's only for female elf doesn't mean he's not as good as the other LIs and I agree that he probably wasn't added as a romance until the races were added back in. We've never met a companion before that was only interested in their species and I really feel like it's going to be really interesting to talk to him about it and get his feelings/explanations for it. It's weird for me because it seems very xenophobic of him, but I'm trusting that the devs will do a good job with his romance. Honestly, the ancient elf theory sounds really cool, haha, but yes, it's totally more than just wanting babies (though I'm pleased as punch with the possibility)

I still want to romance him, even if I can't as a male elf. As a female character I'll just have to somehow get used to that walk  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Okay, you're allowed to, but can't tell you that people aren't going to call you out on your jumping to conclusions when we know so little. Drawing conclusions when there's not substantial information available will garner you people who will accuse you of jumping the gun, that's how it works.

 

I say wait until the game actually comes out before making up a proper conclusion and already saying negative things about characters in their thread.

I'm fine with people trying to change my mind. In fact I welcome it. But I don't like the whole "This is getting old" or "Stop saying that" remarks. This is a Solas discussion thread. People are allowed to speak their minds. 

[Kirie]

Okay, you're allowed to, but can't tell you that people aren't going to call you out on your jumping to conclusions when we know so little. Drawing conclusions when there's not substantial information available will garner you people who will accuse you of jumping the gun, that's how it works.

I say wait until the game actually comes out before making up a proper conclusion and already saying negative things about characters in their thread.

Out of likes, but THIS.

Posting things like that without any sources or references in-game is only going to rile up people who are already on edge with this whole announcement. We're still recovering from yesterday :/

[jellobell]

I don't care that he is heterosexual. What bugs me is his whole "We shouldn't see people as just their race" and yet will only romance Elves.

 

Which makes me think that it's going to be an elf-exclusive plot point that's going to bring Solas and the Inquisitor together. So it wouldn't be a factor of "will only romance elves", but rather, "will only romance the Inquisitor after [plot point that requires you be an elf] happens". That's how you could square an open-minded Solas with his very specific romance requirements. After all, Solas strikes me as the kind of guy who isn't all that interested in romance in the first place. Or people, for that matter. He's spent his whole life living alone in the wilderness. So perhaps something really specific and significant has to happen for him to fall in love at all. And that happens to only occur if you're a female elf.