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[Flemmy]

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I'll show myself out.

Why are Solas doing a ketsupuridan dance? (ref: groove adventure rave  & fairy tail.)

[Cee]

I didn't like Morrigan until DAI. At all, really. I was disappointed to even see she'd be back at first. She was just so mean and stuck up, and was cruel to Alistair.  Now that time, experience, learning at the temple and with Flemeth, and in my world, motherhood, have tempered her a bit, I do like her.

 

Dorian has his ignorant side, sure, and his pride, but some of his exaggerations aren't snobbish. Dorian is, I think, a bit more open and also his more troublesome views are more borne out of ignorance and inexperience. In other words, he's open to learning, but the rest of his personality shows that his character is well-intentioned and he feels a lot. He questions some things but not others. Slavery isn't benevolent, no, but as we see with Krem's dad, there's a desperation involved that drives these cultural beliefs.

 

But Dorian is in a position to create changes for a reason.

 

Sera can be brash and polarizing and also closed off to listening. She ran me hot and cold the whole first time I played. Which I loved. With her, she also has deep cultural and racial biases and internalized elements she hasn't  reconciled. And class matters, how she judges.

 

I love the depth, really. But Vivienne just flat turns me off.

[Illyria]

She's exactly the type of person I can't stand. The last straw was doing her quest, getting her what she asked for, and then having her just blatantly invite people in order to use you in front of them for her own selfish social climbing. I wanted an option to refuse to entertain her guests and call her out on her self-centered power play.

 

I didn't recruit her after the first time. I will when I make my human mage but for now I may just keep on leaving her invitation unanswered.

 

Let me guess: Sera related reasons.

 

On the subject of Lavellot - I... wouldn't put much stock in anything she has to say on Solas or the Solasmance. After bumping into her rants several times over the past few months, she projects a lot onto the situation and insists that her own uncharitable view of Solas is the only correct one. She even manages to take his calm, accepting reaction to keeping the vallaslin, and turn it into a spineless backpedaling on his part. She really doesn't want to see much good in him, so of course her posts won't take it into consideration.

 

Also she tried to criticize the Solavellan fandom for "having too many white Lavellans" and that pretty much turned me off of anything she has to say. Like, seriously? Policing how people customize their own playable characters? Ugh.

 

My POC Lavellan would take offence at that.  And my Adaar.  And my half Rivani Trevelyan.  Only Assquisitor Cadash is white.

[NightSymphony]

 

<snip>

 

 

When is your computer scheduled to arrive?

 

I had a DA-related dream last night that I don't quite remember except that at one point, someone ran Josephine through with a sword and I cannot remember why, but it was super intense and sad.
 

Well, it's being built right now, and then it goes through quality control twice.  It's estimated to be ready for shipment on the 16th. 

 

Poor Jose.

[CapricornSun]

Mini art post again.

 

Why Solas and not Bull or Cullen? 

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...ver-the-bull-or

 

Artist's answers:

 

-Dimples

-Freckles

-Mysterious eye color??

-Blushy blush

-Sun dome

-Pout lips

-Diction

-Could be trouble

-Elf

 

 

 

Alhalasa Lavellan: [doing her goddamn job]

Solas: [trips and falls into love again, for the 324342 time]

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Source: http://gentlecook.tu...job-solas-trips

 

 

Angry puppy!Fen'Harel!   SO CUTE!

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Source: http://inquisiliciou...d-drawing-angry

 

[NightSymphony]

Awww...puppy!! He looks so cuddly!

[CapricornSun]

Awww...puppy!! He looks so cuddly!

 

I know right?    A fluffy Fen'Harel pup perfect for Solas Fluff Friday (on Tumblr).

[midnight tea]

Also she tried to criticize the Solavellan fandom for "having too many white Lavellans" and that pretty much turned me off of anything she has to say. Like, seriously? Policing how people customize their own playable characters? Ugh.

 

That's a bizarre accusation... aside from all the issues with making it an issue with the first place (I understand the discussion is important, especially when it comes to representation of POC in canon story by game devs, but this is going overboard) I highly doubt that she has an appropriate sample to judge that.

 

My own Lavellan is dark-skinned and two Lavellans that have gathered a relatively large fandom around themselves and their authors' fanfics are POC as well (geekyjez's Isii and Feynite's nameless Inky).

[Cee]

On the subject of Lavellot - I... wouldn't put much stock in anything she has to say on Solas or the Solasmance. After bumping into her rants several times over the past few months, she projects a lot onto the situation and insists that her own uncharitable view of Solas is the only correct one. She even manages to take his calm, accepting reaction to keeping the vallaslin, and turn it into a spineless backpedaling on his part. She really doesn't want to see much good in him, so of course her posts won't take it into consideration.

 

Also she tried to criticize the Solavellan fandom for "having too many white Lavellans" and that pretty much turned me off of anything she has to say. Like, seriously? Policing how people customize their own playable characters? Ugh.

 

After that post was made, I went to look at that Tumblr and there was some really insultingly critical stuff like 'Solas doesn't love Lavellan. Even if the writers say it. Because his actions show differently' and then proceeded to basically insult Solavellan players.

 

I've heard the white Lavellans thing before, and while, yes, it would be great to see people making more PoC characters, being super critical can antagonize players and wave away both player diversity too. A lot of us make characters quite different from ourselves.

[Ellawynn]

Let me guess: Sera related reasons.

 

 

My POC Lavellan would take offence at that.  And my Adaar.  And my half Rivani Trevelyan.  Only Assquisitor Cadash is white.

So did my POC Mahariel (My Lavellan's a pale-as-hell redhead, but whatever.) She really didn't sound much better than the dudebros who complain about women in their fandom with that.

[NeverlandHunter]

 

Internet and it's weird corners. 

 

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http://daelves.tumblr.com/page/4

 

No, no, you need the full context for that first set.

 

http://fuckyeahvarri...ital-use-of-our

http://fuckyeahvarri...requested-bonus

Yeah, context really helped that a lot 

 

On the subject of Lavellot - I... wouldn't put much stock in anything she has to say on Solas or the Solasmance. After bumping into her rants several times over the past few months, she projects a lot onto the situation and insists that her own uncharitable view of Solas is the only correct one. She even manages to take his calm, accepting reaction to keeping the vallaslin, and turn it into a spineless backpedaling on his part. She really doesn't want to see much good in him, so of course her posts won't take it into consideration.

 

Also she tried to criticize the Solavellan fandom for "having too many white Lavellans" and that pretty much turned me off of anything she has to say. Like, seriously? Policing how people customize their own playable characters? Ugh.

I don't like coming up with an opinion of a person I don't know (or haven't read in the case of posters) but that does make her opinions sound very unappealing. I'd be interested in reading what she had to say about Solas being accepting of you choosing to keep your Vallaslin. I've never heard of someone taking issue with that (not that I get out of the Blanketfort much).

 

I didn't like Morrigan until DAI. At all, really. I was disappointed to even see she'd be back at first. She was just so mean and stuck up, and was cruel to Alistair.  Now that time, experience, learning at the temple and with Flemeth, and in my world, motherhood, have tempered her a bit, I do like her.

 

Dorian has his ignorant side, sure, and his pride, but some of his exaggerations aren't snobbish. Dorian is, I think, a bit more open and also his more troublesome views are more borne out of ignorance and inexperience. In other words, he's open to learning, but the rest of his personality shows that his character is well-intentioned and he feels a lot. He questions some things but not others. Slavery isn't benevolent, no, but as we see with Krem's dad, there's a desperation involved that drives these cultural beliefs.

 

But Dorian is in a position to create changes for a reason.

 

Sera can be brash and polarizing and also closed off to listening. She ran me hot and cold the whole first time I played. Which I loved. With her, she also has deep cultural and racial biases and internalized elements she hasn't  reconciled. And class matters, how she judges.

 

I love the depth, really. But Vivienne just flat turns me off.

Oh I loved Morrigan in Origins but I find something appealing in that "hard exterior, but soft and unsure with loved ones" type. I teared up a little when she asked all unsure if it was alright to consider my Warden her sister. You could tell she was really out of her comfort zone and putting herself in a position she wasn't used to, she made herself emotionally vulnerable for you because you taught her it was okay to put your faith in other people.

 

I agree Dorian and Sera are good people, and they both aren't as snobbish as Vivienne, but I think both of them can be quite snobby, more so Dorian 

[Illyria]

So did my POC Mahariel (My Lavellan's a pale-as-hell redhead, but whatever.) She really didn't sound much better than the dudebros who complain about women in their fandom with that.

 

My Mahariel was meant to be a POC but the dark skin tones, even with mods, are so terrible.  I ended up recycling a lot of her planned look for my Lavellan, though (who started as white but I was never 100% happy with how she looked.  Latest replay I used my Mahariel's concept design and am much happier with her).  My Tabris is a POC though, she's also the only one of the wardens who is canonically a POC in the lore.
 

[NeverlandHunter]

My Mahariel was meant to be a POC but the dark skin tones, even with mods, are so terrible.  I ended up recycling a lot of her planned look for my Lavellan, though (who started as white but I was never 100% happy with how she looked.  Latest replay I used my Mahariel's concept design and am much happier with her).  My Tabris is a POC though, she's also the only one of the wardens who is canonically a POC in the lore.
 

It was until your post that I realized what POC stood for  abbreviations and I don't get along well. So, probably stupid question, but what defines a POC? Is there a darkness to the skin, certain ethnicity or race, or certain "non-white" features that allow people to be put into that category?

[Illyria]

 

 

 

Yeah, context really helped that a lot 

 

I don't like coming up with an opinion of a person I don't know (or haven't read in the case of posters) but that does make her opinions sound very unappealing. I'd be interested in reading what she had to say about Solas being accepting of you choosing to keep your Vallaslin. I've never heard of someone taking issue with that (not that I get out of the Blanketfort much).

 

Oh I loved Morrigan in Origins but I find something appealing in that "hard exterior, but soft and unsure with loved ones" type. I teared up a little when she asked all unsure if it was alright to consider my Warden her sister. You could tell she was really out of her comfort zone and putting herself in a position she wasn't used to, she made herself emotionally vulnerable for you because you taught her it was okay to put your faith in other people.

 

I agree Dorian and Sera are good people, and they both aren't as snobbish as Vivienne, but I think both of them can be quite snobby, more so Dorian 

 

 

 

Basically she claims that Solas pressures the Inquisitor to remove her markings (because he says 'you deserve better than what those cruel marks represent' citing this as Solas clearly not listening to Lavellan) and that his assurance afterwards that she's beautiful is a lie, because he was pressuring her a moment.  Oh, and that he shuts her up in this scene by kissing her and he forces her to alienate herself from her culture.  And she cites examples of when BW have used the Depraved Bisexual trope as an example of why they should've used it with Solas.  Because who cares about BW attempting to avoid unfortunate tropes that they've used in the past, and recognising their own mistakes, right?
 

[Illyria]

It was until your post that I realized what POC stood for  abbreviations and I don't get along well. So, probably stupid question, but what defines a POC? Is there a darkness to the skin, certain ethnicity or race, or certain "non-white" features that allow people to be put into that category?

 

I'm unsure myself!  I've mostly seen it used to describe every character who is not white.

[S.W.]

'person of colour' can vary slightly culturally - because what counts as white or not can change from place to place - but it basically means someone who isn't white. So, arabs, west asians, east asians, black africans, indians, latinos/latinas, black americans, native americans, people who consider themselves 'mixed' or half-white, half-not, whoever really - as long as they're not white people.

The reason that POC is used, rather than non-white, is really to have a term which isn't anchored with the word 'white'. It's supposed to be positive and affirming I think? An emphasis on what people of colour have, what they are - as opposed to what they are not, what they lack. I'm not an expert though, don't quote me on that.
 

My Mahariel was meant to be a POC but the dark skin tones, even with mods, are so terrible.  I ended up recycling a lot of her planned look for my Lavellan, though (who started as white but I was never 100% happy with how she looked.  Latest replay I used my Mahariel's concept design and am much happier with her).  My Tabris is a POC though, she's also the only one of the wardens who is canonically a POC in the lore.

 
I FEEL YOU.
 
My canon surana, in my head, has very dark skin, is very stunning, and has big, curly hair. The sort of person you look at from afar and think 'wow, she's too cool for school' but actually she's a massive dork and is good at pretending otherwise.
 
The hair just doesn't exist (are there black hair mods? I need them), and the skin tones... even with mods which increase the range so that you don't get purpley shades of awful, they still aren't anywhere near as nice as the lighter ones. I always feel like I have to compromise with the CC to get anything close to what I want whilst still meeting the image of how pretty she is in my head.

[Cee]

It was until your post that I realized what POC stood for  abbreviations and I don't get along well. So, probably stupid question, but what defines a POC? Is there a darkness to the skin, certain ethnicity or race, or certain "non-white" features that allow people to be put into that category?

 

This is definitely something that there are multiple arguments over. So it's not like ther's a settled 'answer'.  And even if you identify a certain way, you may also get pushback from others who would deny you that identity. Also, culture, heritage, current societal views, and a multitude of factors people can consider.

 

Well, to make it rather personal because eh, I'm a pretty light person. I'm of mixed heritage, though I look most like my Puerto Rican dad but I don't consider myself white even though most people would probably take me as such. Puerto Ricans, and really all Latino people come in the full range.    One of my friends is of half Mexican and half Swedish heritage. We both have similar light-but-yellow skin tone of mixed heritage Hispanic people problems with our makeup. It's useful to know someone who understands. Ever since my haircut of doom she laughs at me for being annoyed at my wavy hair as much as I playfully teased her when growing out her curly hair.

 

In any case, there's just no simple answer.

[Ellawynn]

 

My own Lavellan is dark-skinned and two Lavellans that have gathered a relatively large fandom around themselves and their authors' fanfics are POC as well (geekyjez's Isii and Feynite's nameless Inky).

In her defense, you wouldn't know that Feynite's Lavellan is POC unless you keep up with her Tumblr (And I believe this post was made back before Feynite really got popular anyway.)

 

Isii though, yeah, she's probably the most recognizable interpretation of Lavellan in the fandom, since geeky-jez's writing is so popular but she doesn't try for a "blank" universal Lavellan like Feynite does. I think I've seen more fanart of her than anyone else's Inquisitor.

 

 

 

 

I don't like coming up with an opinion of a person I don't know (or haven't read in the case of posters) but that does make her opinions sound very unappealing. I'd be interested in reading what she had to say about Solas being accepting of you choosing to keep your Vallaslin. I've never heard of someone taking issue with that (not that I get out of the Blanketfort much).

 

If I recall correctly, it was less "Wow he's accepting my decisions what a ******" and more "Oh, he's only respecting Lavellan's choice because knows his manipulation has failed so he just backed up to stay in her good graces. He doesn't want to give up the kind-and-gentle act he's using to abuse her."

 

So, uh, not abusing someone is also abuse now, I guess?

 

*Sigh* I mean, I'm not trying to paint her as some awful person. She has interesting things to say on the Dalish. But whenever she talks about Solas I just skip past.

 

My Mahariel was meant to be a POC but the dark skin tones, even with mods, are so terrible.  I ended up recycling a lot of her planned look for my Lavellan, though (who started as white but I was never 100% happy with how she looked.  Latest replay I used my Mahariel's concept design and am much happier with her).  My Tabris is a POC though, she's also the only one of the wardens who is canonically a POC in the lore.
 

I didn't have a problem so much with the sliders in Origins, but I had a really similar issue in 2. I wanted a darker-skinned Hawke but the preset was so pretty and nothing I came up with looked as good. ._. And I was playing on console so I couldn't just install a mod to let me customize the default.

[midnight tea]

I'm unsure myself!  I've mostly seen it used to describe every character who is not white.

 

So it's a rather inaccurate description, especially considering how varied skin color can be among 'white' people. I mean, AFAIK, technically people from India with very dark skin can be classified as 'white' or 'Caucasian' judging not just from skin color, but all the features that are usually associated with it (though I realize that we're mostly talking about stereotypes and stereotypical distinctions between so called 'races' are much narrower).

 

In any case - I'd rather use the word 'minority' or 'ostracized group', because as much as POC deserve as equal treatment as a person of any background or skin color, they're not the only people who suffer from discrimination In that regard a large portion of my own characters are part of some minority or ostracized group.

[S.W.]

so, Solas thread: which egg do you prefer, according to your starsign? I'm a fancy egg kind of girl personally.

ir abelas tel'abelas.

 

So it's a rather inaccurate description, especially considering how varied skin color can be among 'white' people. I mean, AFAIK, technically people from India with very dark skin can be classified as 'white' or 'Caucasian' judging not just from skin color, but all the features that are usually associated with it (though I realize that we're mostly talking about stereotypes and stereotypical distinctions between so called 'races' are much narrower).
 
In any case - I'd rather use the word 'minority' or 'ostracized group', because as much as POC deserve as equal treatment as a person of any background or skin color, they're not the only people who suffer from discrimination In that regard a large portion of my own characters are part of some minority or ostracized group.

Yeah, it's a category to denote basically anyone who is marginalised on the basis of race, I think? Less about physical characteristics. It's more sociology/politics.

[Aneira]

Basically she claims that Solas pressures the Inquisitor to remove her markings (because he says 'you deserve better than what those cruel marks represent' citing this as Solas clearly not listening to Lavellan) and that his assurance afterwards that she's beautiful is a lie, because he was pressuring her a moment.  Oh, and that he shuts her up in this scene by kissing her and he forces her to alienate herself from her culture.  And she cites examples of when BW have used the Depraved Bisexual trope as an example of why they should've used it with Solas.  Because who cares about BW attempting to avoid unfortunate tropes that they've used in the past, and recognising their own mistakes, right?
 

 

What I don't get is how people come up with things like that? I mean, okay, dialogue and stuff can be interpreted in many ways, but this just seems so ... I don't know a word for it. Like she is trying really hard to put in subtext that just is not there.

 

I can't take this person seriously, especially if she really thinks she knows "the truth" about Solas even if the devs (and writers!) say otherwise, but I do wonder where all that is coming from. It would be very interesing to meet this person and see how she is in real life, just to understand that kind of behaviour. Although I usually tend to close sites like that, thinking "well, it's the internet, what did I expect" and go about other business, not thinking about it anymore, cause it gives me headaches and is nothing more than a waste of time.

 

 

About the POC-Lavellans: I don't think anyone has to justify their choices for their characters. It is a very personal thing. If the game did not even give us the option to create POC it would be a whole different matter of course.

[Illyria]

What I don't get is how people come up with things like that? I mean, okay, dialogue and stuff can be interpreted in many ways, but this just seems so ... I don't know a word for it. Like she is trying really hard to put in subtext that just is not there.

 

I can't take this person seriously, especially if she really thinks she knows "the truth" about Solas even if the devs (and writers!) say otherwise, but I do wonder where all that is coming from. It would be very interesing to meet this person and see how she is in real life, just to understand that kind of behaviour. Although I usually tend to close sites like that, thinking "well, it's the internet, what did I expect" and go about other business, not thinking about it anymore, cause it gives me headaches and is nothing more than a waste of time.

 

 

About the POC-Lavellans: I don't think anyone has to justify their choices for their characters. It is a very personal thing. If the game did not even give us the option to create POC it would be a whole different matter of course.

 

Yeah.  There's a difference between someone making a white PC and modding the game to make a canon POC white *cough*theIsabelamod*cough*

 

And if the majority of a person's PCs are white that is no business of anyone else.  It's like judging someone for liking a het romance over a gay romance (I'm a fan of f!Hawke/Fenris and that gets a little bit of crap from fans).
 

[Illyria]

'person of colour' can vary slightly culturally - because what counts as white or not can change from place to place - but it basically means someone who isn't white. So, arabs, west asians, east asians, black africans, indians, latinos/latinas, black americans, native americans, people who consider themselves 'mixed' or half-white, half-not, whoever really - as long as they're not white people.

The reason that POC is used, rather than non-white, is really to have a term which isn't anchored with the word 'white'. It's supposed to be positive and affirming I think? An emphasis on what people of colour have, what they are - as opposed to what they are not, what they lack. I'm not an expert though, don't quote me on that.
 
 
I FEEL YOU.
 
My canon surana, in my head, has very dark skin, is very stunning, and has big, curly hair. The sort of person you look at from afar and think 'wow, she's too cool for school' but actually she's a massive dork and is good at pretending otherwise.
 
The hair just doesn't exist (are there black hair mods? I need them), and the skin tones... even with mods which increase the range so that you don't get purpley shades of awful, they still aren't anywhere near as nice as the lighter ones. I always feel like I have to compromise with the CC to get anything close to what I want whilst still meeting the image of how pretty she is in my head.

 

There might be, but you'd probably have to search through hair mods to find them.  There's a lot of hair packs on the nexus and all of them show screencaps of what they have.  There's also a nice complexion I use that works well with darker tones. 

[Caddius]

I think most of us having this discussion are bi, but yes, I found it very thoughtful when after Trespasser, Weekes could finally confirm that they didn't have Solas as a bi romance option because they wanted to avoid coming near that trope.

Dammit, Crassus!

You're giving us all a bad rep! I've never even thought of protection rackets, much less invading Iran!

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My impression has been the depraved bi-sexual villain is part of the trend to make villains sexually 'dysfunctional'. The heroes have sex make passionate, life-affirming love with artfully gripped sheets and there's probably obnoxious music playing. The villains are often impotent (witness the trend of the British propaganda machines making Napoleon and Hitler a having only one testicle, and being rather upset about it), or callous in bed. Often, they're more sexually active with more people, because we're very practiced at judging people for that, or bisexual because 'they're just willing to ignore all the laws of man, why not nature too?' I've been seeing less of this lately, though, so that's nice. 

And the Romans as a people certainly don't help with the rampant bisexuality and villainy.   Not like they even had words for the concept, though...

People always embody what they see as being wrong with their society in their villains, so that it's not just a triumph over the one bad guy, it's a triumph of the American Way over godless communist man-sex. Or something to that effect. Thankfully rampant homophobia is a bit less rampant now than it was thirty years ago. Now I'm starting to see homophobic villains and see them get pummeled, and I'll admit to seeing the appeal.

[CapricornSun]

Last art post before I go to bed.

 

"Don't go." by nanananananablr. (Solavellan) Except it's Solas telling Lavellan instead of the other way around.

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Source: http://nanananananab...oodle-for-dittu

 

 

Fanart of Feynite's Bagel AU: Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://bluegirlbooks...ynites-safe-for

 

 

Solas and Cassandra at Emprise du Lion.

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Source: http://chloexbowie.t...-by-chloexbowie

 

 

And another puppy!Fen'Harel!

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Source: http://inquisiliciou...-all-your-fluff