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In her defense, you wouldn't know that Feynite's Lavellan is POC unless you keep up with her Tumblr (And I believe this post was made back before Feynite really got popular anyway.)

 

Isii though, yeah, she's probably the most recognizable interpretation of Lavellan in the fandom, since geeky-jez's writing is so popular but she doesn't try for a "blank" universal Lavellan like Feynite does. I think I've seen more fanart of her than anyone else's Inquisitor.

 

True, though when she revealed how her Inquisitor looks like, I've noticed that the fan art she posts of her Lavellan immediately shifted to portray more of her Lavellan, rather than whatever people imagine her to be.

 

Either way, the acceptance of popular POC Lavellan (even more meaningful, since it's someone's Lavellan and not the player's, which comes not just with different looks, but personality, quirks and views, etc) should signify that perhaps thinsg are indeed blown out of proportion... I mean, aside from the fact that whether someone creates a POC or some kind of minority character is the player's business.

 

It's far worse when someone tries to claim things about canon characters that are incongruous to their portrayal, or even their writer's statements about them...

 

 

If I recall correctly, it was less "Wow he's accepting my decisions what a ******" and more "Oh, he's only respecting Lavellan's choice because knows his manipulation has failed so he just backed up to stay in her good graces. He doesn't want to give up the kind-and-gentle act he's using to abuse her."

 

So, uh, not abusing someone is also abuse now, I guess?

 

LOL, talk about "damn if you do, damn if you don't"... It's sad, but people who really want to see a character (or whatever else, not just DA or Solas or Bioware) they'll eventually make it so they land in bad light no matter what they do...


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The tumblr user SW linked to a page or so back.

 

I guess I'm just having a meh day.  The weather is horrible, and has been for the last few days.  Haven't seen the sun in ages.

I live near Seattle. We should do some kind of ritual so you can absorb my, "Ooh, the fog isn't denser than Iridium today! Blessed be!" abilities.  :lol:

On the other hand, I keep typing 'fight' as 'fiteIRL!!' with NaNoWriMo, and it's kind of a pain to fix that every time... <_<


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Solas and Cassandra at Emprise du Lion.

 

Source: http://chloexbowie.t...-by-chloexbowie

 

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And another puppy!Fen'Harel! <3

 

Source: http://inquisiliciou...-all-your-fluff

 

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My favorite armor to put Solas in, aside from promo pelt art armor AND in blue like I love to do....yessss.

 

And I want to cuddle and scratch puppy'Harel's ears and rub his tummy.


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Who should I romance with my Trevelyan?  Josie or Cullen?



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Who should I romance with my Trevelyan?  Josie or Cullen?

 

What's your Trevelyan like?



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What's your Trevelyan like?

 

A very good player of the Game, a mage, very cunning and tends to get mistaken for naive by people who don't know her well.  She uses this to her advantage.



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I'd vote for the adorable Josiemance, but that's me. Cullen's is sweet but I don't know.


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A very good player of the Game, a mage, very cunning and tends to get mistaken for naive by people who don't know her well.  She uses this to her advantage.

 

I'd still say Josie after this. You can be adorably clever and laugh at those who would dare underestimate you together.


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I'd vote for the adorable Josiemance, but that's me. Cullen's is sweet but I don't know.

 

I was planning on a Josievellan playthrough...



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I'm unsure myself!  I've mostly seen it used to describe every character who is not white.

 

'person of colour' can vary slightly culturally - because what counts as white or not can change from place to place - but it basically means someone who isn't white. So, arabs, west asians, east asians, black africans, indians, latinos/latinas, black americans, native americans, people who consider themselves 'mixed' or half-white, half-not, whoever really - as long as they're not white people.

The reason that POC is used, rather than non-white, is really to have a term which isn't anchored with the word 'white'. It's supposed to be positive and affirming I think? An emphasis on what people of colour have, what they are - as opposed to what they are not, what they lack. I'm not an expert though, don't quote me on that.
 
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I asked my sisters, who are both half Filipino half white, what they thought of being considered that and my oldest says she doesn't know why she doesn't like it and they my second oldest thinks it sounds more racist and she rather be called a minority.

This is definitely something that there are multiple arguments over. So it's not like ther's a settled 'answer'.  And even if you identify a certain way, you may also get pushback from others who would deny you that identity. Also, culture, heritage, current societal views, and a multitude of factors people can consider.

 

Well, to make it rather personal because eh, I'm a pretty light person. I'm of mixed heritage, though I look most like my Puerto Rican dad but I don't consider myself white even though most people would probably take me as such. Puerto Ricans, and really all Latino people come in the full range.  :lol:  One of my friends is of half Mexican and half Swedish heritage. We both have similar light-but-yellow skin tone of mixed heritage Hispanic people problems with our makeup. It's useful to know someone who understands. :) Ever since my haircut of doom she laughs at me for being annoyed at my wavy hair as much as I playfully teased her when growing out her curly hair.

 

In any case, there's just no simple answer.

I have the light-to-yellow skin tone! I've been asked on numerous occasions "what am I" and many people have assumed I have Hispanic ancestry. I've actually been called yellow and Mexican as a "friendly" (heavy quotes) joke by guys when I was younger. Of course younger self was too pensive and in want of acceptance to have called them out on nicknaming like older self would assuredly do. My little sister even looks more mixed than I do with her skin tone and her eye shape. I don't know the full extent of our ancestry but both of my parents look white  :lol:

I make smiley emoticons at the topic, but it is does go to show the kind of issues such labeling has. People are more than just their ancestry. Ethnicity and race and ancestry. People will always be more than those categorizes, yet we feel the need to define and place people into groupings. These things are always so complicated  ^_^

But I dunno, how about the rest of you? How do you feel about the term POC?

And on a Dragon Age related note is the racism against elves and the other fantastical races what prevents "normal" racism in Thedas? I know characters have made xenophobic comments but I don't think I've ever heard an out right "my skin tone is better than yours" racist one.

 

What I don't get is how people come up with things like that? I mean, okay, dialogue and stuff can be interpreted in many ways, but this just seems so ... I don't know a word for it. Like she is trying really hard to put in subtext that just is not there.

 

I can't take this person seriously, especially if she really thinks she knows "the truth" about Solas even if the devs (and writers!) say otherwise, but I do wonder where all that is coming from. It would be very interesing to meet this person and see how she is in real life, just to understand that kind of behaviour. Although I usually tend to close sites like that, thinking "well, it's the internet, what did I expect" and go about other business, not thinking about it anymore, cause it gives me headaches and is nothing more than a waste of time.

 

 

About the POC-Lavellans: I don't think anyone has to justify their choices for their characters. It is a very personal thing. If the game did not even give us the option to create POC it would be a whole different matter of course.

Yeah, I don't like that kind of judgement. The creators of the games should definitely have more diversity, but the players shouldn't feel pressured into creating their characters a certain way. It should be an option, a choice for you to make, just like your character's gender, sexual orientation, age, and even "prettiness" should be. Would it be awesome if more people branched out from playing handsome straight white guy in his mid twenties? Yes, but that doesn't mean it's wrong if the player chooses to roleplay that character. It is an issue in my opinion, when as you said, the option isn't there and when game developers (and other writers and creators of fiction) keep spewing out that character.

 

Yeah.  There's a difference between someone making a white PC and modding the game to make a canon POC white *cough*theIsabelamod*cough*

 

And if the majority of a person's PCs are white that is no business of anyone else.  It's like judging someone for liking a het romance over a gay romance (I'm a fan of f!Hawke/Fenris and that gets a little bit of crap from fans).
 

Really? People peeve me off -.- it really isn't anyone else's business who you like to play as. I fully endorse people trying new things, new genders, new looks, and new sexual orientation for their roleplaying, but people shouldn't have to worry about other people's judgment because they prefer playing as a women or they only play the straight romances. You're missing out not trying new things, but it is a roleplaying game and you're choosing the role you want to play.

 

Last art post before I go to bed.

 

"Don't go." by nanananananablr. (Solavellan) Except it's Solas telling Lavellan instead of the other way around.

How much simpler would it have been if you only let her go Solas? 


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Update: My Trevelyan is adorable.  The only one adorable enough for her is Josie.


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I saw this post on Tumblr:

"Solas: Eternal suffering is the only fitting punishment for killing Mythal"

Hero of Ferelden: LOL "

Mind blown, ha ha.
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I saw this post on Tumblr:

"Solas: Eternal suffering is the only fitting punishment for killing Mythal"

Hero of Ferelden: LOL "

Mind blown, ha ha.

I wonder if Solas thinks that way towards himself as well, considering he killed Mythal at the end of the base game. 


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Not the same. It was consensual.

But speaking of Flemeth, I wonder if she would hold a grudge against the Warden as well.
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I wonder if Solas thinks that way towards himself as well, considering he killed Mythal at the end of the base game. 

 

I assume it's more about intent and under what circumstances Mythal was killed. I mean, the death by HoF likely hardly even inconvenienced Flemythal, and if the uncovered dev notes about the post-epilogue scene still say anything true (heck, the scene was constructed in a way that suggests so) she intended to give Solas her powers (even if he eventually intends to punish himself for it, given his tendency for self-flagellation for each real or perceived failures or transgressions).

 

Her betrayal and death form Evanuris' hands? Not only Mythal is rather resentful about it, they did it because they were power-hungry and likely unraveled any plan she had stored for either the world, Fen'Harel's rebellion, herself and whoever else there is.

 

In other words - it's not as easy as sweeping all her deaths to one bag. Different circumstances and different outcomes, all of them.


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But speaking of Flemeth, I wonder if she would hold a grudge against the Warden as well.

Nah. She already had her contingency plan in place and the Hero of Ferelden stopped the Blight so she'd consider it even at worst. She holds no ill will towards Morrigan for orchestrating it when they meet in DAI. 



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Soo... replaying the opening of DAI and I'm sure all the graphics are improved since Trespasser.  I've played it enough times to see the difference.

 

Also, I'm not even at the Pride demon and Solas is approving of everything my Tevelyan does.



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But I dunno, how about the rest of you? How do you feel about the term POC?

 

 

As a black American woman, I prefer "POC" over "minority." As I've gotten older (turned 31 a couple of months ago) I've grown to despise "minority." I understand that it refers to proportion of the general population, but in some part of my mind I think of it as (white) people saying I am less than they. I get that not all of them think so (my husband is white), but I've met enough who do to have a preference. I also get that "white" is defined differently in countries other than my own.

 

With regards to that person who berates others for having white PCs, I see and understand her frustration (I'm always overjoyed when I see Solavellan fanart with a black Lavellan), but I don't think it's anyone's business what people do with their own PCs.


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Nah. She already had her contingency plan in place and the Hero of Ferelden stopped the Blight so she'd consider it even at worst. She holds no ill will towards Morrigan for orchestrating it when they meet in DAI. 

 

The way she speaks in DA2 makes it clear that she expects Morrigan to go after her.  She sounds like she respects Morrigan for it.  What is it Hawke says?  'I'm not sure if she's your daughter or your enemy.'


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Doesn't the POC label defeat the original purpose of not judging people on the basis of their skin colour though? I myself am a racial minority and I don't really like to think of myself on the basis of my skin colour.

 

(Of course, I have no problem if other people like or use that term).


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I also get that "white" is defined differently in countries other than my own.


That much is true.

I'm Brazilian and by our standards my skin tone falls under the caucasian category. But when I went to Canada, I was an easily recognizable Latino.

Double racial identity. :P

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Not the same. It was consensual.

But speaking of Flemeth, I wonder if she would hold a grudge against the Warden as well.

 

I think the context was different there. The Warden was not exactly au fait with who Flemeth was; she was not killing Mythal, she was killing Morrigan's mother.


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Doesn't the POC label defeat the original purpose of not judging people on the basis of their skin colour though? I myself am a racial minority and I don't really like to think of myself on the basis of my skin colour.

 

(Of course, I have no problem if other people like or use that term).

 

It doesn't matter if the "POC" label or any other label exists, really, because when I walk out of the door, every single day, I will be treated as a black woman regardless of how I view myself. So I will be judged based on the way I look whether I want it or not. And it may be subconscious on the part of the observer, but it's still there.

 

Edit: So, I'm saying losing the label changes nothing, basically (my belief, anyway).


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Yeah.  There's a difference between someone making a white PC and modding the game to make a canon POC white *cough*theIsabelamod*cough*

 

And if the majority of a person's PCs are white that is no business of anyone else.  It's like judging someone for liking a het romance over a gay romance (I'm a fan of f!Hawke/Fenris and that gets a little bit of crap from fans).
 

This bothers me that there are those that think we have to play a character a certain way when the writers themselves have allowed. Is F!Hawke /Fenris really worse than say f!Warden/Zevran? Both men were raised in a slave environment, both are bi. Seriously this rates up there with insisting that there be a mod to make Dorian or Sera straight.

 

The other one that bothered me was the comments on Tumbler about those that choose not to see Fenris as trans. There isn't anything in his story line that leads me to believe he's not male in the physical sense. So why must I see him as such? In DAI we learn more about the Imperium and how they view women, they cannot be warriors or soldiers. I doubt Danrius thumbed his nose at tradition with a trans Fenris, allowing him to learn to fight, and be made a body guard. I guess it's possible but the Magister seems like someone that would stick to the strictest traditions in Tevinter. I love Crem as a character and I love that they actually addressed this. I felt his character was done right.

 

Not the same. It was consensual.

But speaking of Flemeth, I wonder if she would hold a grudge against the Warden as well.

I don't think Flemeth holds a grudge, she does say the Warden is being manipulated by Morrigan, She blames her daughter for it. She even knew it was coming long before Morrigan had the idea. She knew the risk of sending her off with the Warden and prepared for it. Hence Hawke taking the amulet to Sundermount.



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It doesn't matter if the "POC" label or any other label exists, really, because when I walk out of the door, every single day, I will be treated as a black woman regardless of how I view myself. So I will be judged based on the way I look whether I want it or not. And it may be subconscious on the part of the observer, but it's still there.

 

Edit: So, I'm saying losing the label changes nothing, basically (my belief, anyway).

 

That's a fair point.