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[mindoirs]

Well I guess we now know why Solas was on "Team Crushed Expectations".

Thought about this earlier. Someone asked whether it was about him not being a romance, and technically it wasn't, it was just that his romance is hella restrictive!

[HeyCal]

Did we ever get a clear idea of what Solas' eye color was? Sorry to seem random... I need to know for arty reasons haha.;;

And also I did chuckle at the crushed expectations joke. XD who else was on that team again?

[RebbyWriter]

With all the hate and racist accusations flying around, I feel like pulling a Chris Crocker in here.

 

Spoiler

 

                                           LEAVE SOLAS ALONE!

[scintilla]

Well I guess we now know why Solas was on "Team Crushed Expectations".

 

 

Did we ever get a clear idea of what Solas' eye color was? Sorry to seem random... I need to know for arty reasons haha.;;

And also I did chuckle at the crushed expectations joke. XD who else was on that team again?

 

We did not.

 

Cole and Sera.

[Arvaarad]

There really is no real-world analogue to having a preference for humans/elves/qunari/etc. because our world doesn't have multiple sentient species.

If there were, say, fish people roaming the world (and said fish people had sentience, culture, and so on), not being attracted to one of them would be very different from not being attracted to a human of a different race. Their personalities could be superficially similar to humans', but with some oddities that no human shares. Whereas humans of a different race are still incredibly similar in thought patterns and... ahem... general biological layout.

[Fialka]

Which makes me think that it's going to be an elf-exclusive plot point that's going to bring Solas and the Inquisitor together. So it wouldn't be a factor of "will only romance elves", but rather, "will only romance the Inquisitor after [plot point that requires you be an elf] happens". That's how you could square an open-minded Solas with his very specific romance requirements. After all, Solas strikes me as the kind of guy who isn't all that interested in romance in the first place. Or people, for that matter. He's spent his whole life living alone in the wilderness. So perhaps something really specific and significant has to happen for him to fall in love at all. And that happens to only occur if you're a female elf.

I can totally get behind this. It would make sense that some shared experience - be it something to do with Eluvians, or shared elven memory, or something. We know that elven blood has special properties unique to elves, that allows for experiences unique to elves (see Witch Hunt, the Masked Empire). It would be interesting if that were incorporated into his romance somehow.

Also, I agree that it could be Solas had no intention of pursuing a romance... But something about a Dalish Inquisitor's story will change that. Maybe its even tied to a personal quest of our own?

[manabloom]

Yeah, I thought most of the vallaslin in origins and da2 were a bit, well, ugly? Mm... Or I should say, not to my taste... I appreciate the reasons for the aesthetic, but wasn't a fan of the roughness of it, and the fact that it covered most of the face. The ones we've seen so far in inquisition I have liked though. That female elf inquisitor I believe Mike Laidlaw tweeted a picture of had a nice small one... And that elf in the Enemies trailer had that tree on his/her forehead I found really beautiful. I'm excited to see the rest. Hopefully for the people who don't like them they'll have some smaller options... You might even be able to hide it under some bangs or something!

 

Hah, yeah, I can see why people would think that. As a pagan myself, I really appreciate the tattoos and their meanings... but I will admit that I found a lot of them too, hm... rough... for my liking? For instance, I'm a fan of delicate curls and swirls, and not bold, heavy lines that cover most of the surface they're placed on. I also have hope for the new designs of Inquisition, though, since things are a lot less limited this time around. Here's hoping for pretty, swirly foliage. 

 

That doesn't make him a hypocrite.  One can be open-minded and still only be attracted to a certain gender. Sexuality has nothing to do with open-mindedness.

 

Solas being straight and only into elves does not make me think less of him as a character. 

 

The problem I truly have with Solas being straight is the fact that it makes an equal number of options for gay and straight romance impossible, specifically when you break down how many options straight guys, straight girls, gay guys, and lesbians will end up getting.

 

THIS^^^. It was honestly getting on my nerves to hear everyone citing his open-mindedness as a reason for being bi/pan. And this is coming from someone who was wanting him to be and is panromantic herself. I mean, sexuality isn't something you just... get over? You can't think your way around it. You are what you are, and there is literally zero that can be done about it.

 

HOWEVER, as you said, Solas is not an actual person and was created via writing. So the writer did choose this for him, and that's what I'm (extremely) disappointed with. But that's entirely separate from the actual character himself.

 

I agree... Even if I was one of the people who mentioned the shem-hating Dalish... It was more a reaction to the fact that that's the type of character so many people planning to play Dalish elves on the BSN seem to be gravitating toward - and its not a character type I have any interest in playing. You're right - the clan we meet in Origins is certainly not like that. Initial understandable hostility aside, they were pretty accepting of us as 'outsiders.' Unfortunately, our dealings with Merrill's clan, and the description of the Dalish elves in TME makes me feel like they were the exception versus the norm. Now that I've come up with a Dalish character I like, I'm actually quite excited to play her! Hopefully I'll have the dialogue choices to be able to play her... (Hawke's three 'set' personalities has me a bit worried, but I'm optimistic about the PC dialogue improving in DAI).

 

Hah, well, I guess there are a lot of BSNers who like to take things to the extreme.   It is, of course, a valid choice. It's just certainty not the only one. I'm a big softie myself, so even if I tried to play a character like that... I'd fail. Like I said, I didn't see the Dalish in tME in action, but in DA2, I had the opposite impression. Merrill's clan seemed to be the odd one out to me. I mean, their halla died, they're stuck in one place for far too long, and their Keeper/First situation (which is of paramount importance to all clans) is in upheaval... It's a mess, really. And they were vastly different in Origins. I know that when you see them there, you're one of their own and not an outsider... but they were still taking in CEs, like Pol. I don't think they were bad people, just that the world kind of... collapsed down upon them. It's just unfortunate, imo.

 

I'm glad you've found a concept you like, though! I agree about the dialogue... I've voiced before my concerned about being shoehorned into being an Andrastian. But since there are apparently different wheels for different situations, I'm hoping that'll give us more flexibility than the a, b, and c situation that was DA2.

 

Which makes me think that it's going to be an elf-exclusive plot point that's going to bring Solas and the Inquisitor together. So it wouldn't be a factor of "will only romance elves", but rather, "will only romance the Inquisitor after [plot point that requires you be an elf] happens". That's how you could square an open-minded Solas with his very specific romance requirements. After all, Solas strikes me as the kind of guy who isn't all that interested in romance in the first place. Or people, for that matter. He's spent his whole life living alone in the wilderness. So perhaps something really specific and significant has to happen for him to fall in love at all. And that happens to only occur if you're a female elf. 

 

Ohh... That's an interesting thought! That'd make a lot of sense, and I bet it'd be an interesting plot point to see... I want this, now. 

 

I miss how this thread used to be 24 hours ago it was all peace and love and unicorns and BEES and now everyone is tearing each other and Solas a new one

 

Me too... Our flower circle... It's on fire.   [cling/hug]

 

edit @ Arvaarad: YES. ALL of that. I couldn't think of a good way to word is, but that. That right there. Perfect. Thank you.

[LadyKarrakaz]

All right, so let's try to summarize the theories about Solas:

 

1 Who is he?

 

From the Wiki : "Solas grew up in a small village,though he spent most of his life alone in the wilderness and is technically neither a Dalish or city elf. Despite having no contact with the Circle of Magi or any Dalish tutors (though he has had contact with clans during his travels),Solas taught himself how to master his magical abilities. Solas' prime interest is in the Fade, happily spending his time dreaming in ancient ruins and learning all there is to learn about what dwells beyond the Veil rather than joining the current Mage-Templar War."

 

So, this can be what he tells others. But truely, his power seems to be VERY special. And being able to master your magic with no training at all? Often, Hedge mages turn out to only be able to do some tricks (as seen in asunder) but are not said to be able to master their power on their own.

Now, add Solas' ability to sense Elven artifacts. Even in Witch Hunt, Ariane needed a ritual with her blood to be able to detect the lights of Parlathan. So, there is some ground for a theory of Solas being an ancient Elf (an awoken Somniari) or the pure blooded descendant of the Elves of old.

 

2 What does he want?

 

He joins the inquisition after seing the Breach. But why?

 

A villain?  Some believe he might be a traitor. His link with the Veil and his ability to enter there at will make him a perfect potential accomplice for the scheme of demons. So, Solas would be infiltrating the Inquisition? Remember, devs said the demons could win.

 

An Elven supporter? Use the Inquisition for his own agenda? Restoring and Elven Land for instance? Solas seems very focused on the Elven lore.

 

 

I am really eager to meet this character and learn who he is. Anyone having other theories?

Oh, and BTW, interesting link for anyone interested in the Vallaslin design meaning.

[BubbleDncr]

I just tried my hand at making Solas in the Sim4 demo. He's up in the community if you search for Solas. 

 

[BubbleDncr]

 

THIS^^^. It was honestly getting on my nerves to hear everyone citing his open-mindedness as a reason for being bi/pan. And this is coming from someone who was wanting him to be and is panromantic herself. I mean, sexuality isn't something you just... get over? You can't think your way around it. You are what you are, and there is literally zero that can be done about it.

 

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but my initial thought that he was kind of hypocritical had nothing to do with his sexuality, but that he was only available to elves. Specifically cos of the quote that he doesn't like being seen as just an elf. But the fact that it's "for story reasons" just makes me more intrigued about what those would be. 

[wildannie]

So you don't think there's any problem with someone refusing to date outside of their own race?

 

In Thedas I don't.  We're talking about different humanoid species here, not different skin colors.  The closest analogy to the situation in Thedas can only be found in our animal Kingdom - chimps, orangutan, gorillas or tigers, Lions, leopards.  I'm pretty sure there have been instances of interbreeding (no doubt with human help) but offspring are sterile and its not a natural way for them.  

If we co-existed with other human species on earth I'm sure there would be interspecies relationships but I don't think it would be the norm, rather, I think it would be the exception, a fetish if you like.  I hardly think choosing to stick with your own would be a problem.

[RynJ]

Perhaps it's best to not play Solas defense squad? People are going to think what they're going to think and they can express it on here all they want but trying to argue just seems to make everything go around in a circle. 

 

I don't like seeing this thread get so argumentative. The hurt feelings will die down eventually and if people want to think worse of Solas or be less interested in him or even find him hypocritical in light of this new information, that's their right.  We can only form opinions based on what we know, after all. There are always going to be people who want to come into a thread and bash but it's probably best to just leave that alone.

 

Happy days again, Solas thread? 

[renfrees]

Which makes me think that it's going to be an elf-exclusive plot point that's going to bring Solas and the Inquisitor together. So it wouldn't be a factor of "will only romance elves", but rather, "will only romance the Inquisitor after [plot point that requires you be an elf] happens". That's how you could square an open-minded Solas with his very specific romance requirements. After all, Solas strikes me as the kind of guy who isn't all that interested in romance in the first place. Or people, for that matter. He's spent his whole life living alone in the wilderness. So perhaps something really specific and significant has to happen for him to fall in love at all. And that happens to only occur if you're a female elf. 

That's a very interesting theory. I hope something like that is the case, as I'm not prone to all these ideas of elven immortality as a driving factor.

[AnimeLavellan]

OT but I found this and thought I should share:

 

http://darktownbakery.tumblr.com/

[Fialka]

Also, in response to the open-minded = bisexual argument. I definitely agree the one thing has nothing to do with the other - I like to think I'm open-minded, and I absolutely support LGBT equality and accurate representation, etc. But, try as I might, I could never be attracted to women. So, I think I myself fly in the face of that

But, I made the correlation myself, not because I believed the two were related, but because I hoped it was a hint. A bit silly, perhaps, but I was so rooting for Solas to be bi for the sake of inclusion, and for our male Solassians to be happy, that I wanted it to be true

[llandwynwyn]

All right, so let's try to summarize the theories about Solas:

 

1 Who is he?

 

From the Wiki : "Solas grew up in a small village,though he spent most of his life alone in the wilderness and is technically neither a Dalish or city elf. Despite having no contact with the Circle of Magi or any Dalish tutors (though he has had contact with clans during his travels),Solas taught himself how to master his magical abilities. Solas' prime interest is in the Fade, happily spending his time dreaming in ancient ruins and learning all there is to learn about what dwells beyond the Veil rather than joining the current Mage-Templar War."

 

So, this can be what he tells others. But truely, his power seems to be VERY special. And being able to master your magic with no training at all? Often, Hedge mages turn out to only be able to do some tricks (as seen in asunder) but are not said to be able to master their power on their own.

Now, add Solas' ability to sense Elven artifacts. Even in Witch Hunt, Ariane needed a ritual with her blood to be able to detect the lights of Parlathan. So, there is some ground for a theory of Solas being an ancient Elf (an awoken Somniari) or the pure blooded descendant of the Elves of old.

 

2 What does he want?

 

He joins the inquisition after seing the Breach. But why?

 

A villain?  Some believe he might be a traitor. His link with the Veil and his ability to enter there at will make him a perfect potential accomplice for the scheme of demons. So, Solas would be infiltrating the Inquisition? Remember, devs said the demons could win.

 

An Elven supporter? Use the Inquisition for his own agenda? Restoring and Elven Land for instance? Solas seems very focused on the Elven lore.

 

 

I am really eager to meet this character and learn who he is. Anyone having other theories?

Oh, and BTW, interesting link for anyone interested in the Vallaslin design meaning.

 

His story is too ordinary to justify his talent and knowledge, thus I'm of the opinion that he's an ancient elf, or working for one or another force. Same as Felassan. 

I don't believe elves are going to revolt for real in this game, but that Bioware is preparing the ground for some big conflict in the (hopefully) next game.

[BubbleDncr]

Do you know of any good mods for the demo?

 

I know next to nothing about mods :-( 

[LadyKarrakaz]

His story is too ordinary to justify his talent and knowledge, thus I'm of the opinion that he's an ancient elf, or working for one or another force. Same as Felassan. 

I don't believe elves are going to revolt for real in this game, but that Bioware is preparing the ground for some big conflict in the (hopefully) next game.

 You know, I have no proof to defend this theory at all, but somehow, I think Solas beware Masked Empire spoiler

Spoiler

might be related to the anonymous murderer of Felassan in the end of the Book. Felassan entering the Fade at will to discuss with someone else. Maybe not a demon, but another dreamer? Solas?

Could Solas have been trying to get the power of the Eluvians?

I know it is far fetched, yet I like the idea.

 

 EDIT, and yeah! His story is definitely NOT explaining his powers!

[AnimeLavellan]

Perhaps it's best to not play Solas defense squad? People are going to think what they're going to think and they can express it on here all they want but trying to argue just seems to make everything go around in a circle. 

 

I don't like seeing this thread get so argumentative. The hurt feelings will die down eventually and if people want to think worse of Solas or be less interested in him or even find him hypocritical in light of this new information, that's their right.  We can only form opinions based on what we know, after all. There are always going to be people who want to come into a thread and bash but it's probably best to just leave that alone.

 

Happy days again, Solas thread? 

 

 

 

Spoiler

HAPPY DANCE!!

 

 

SOLAS LOVE!!

 

 

ANDERS GIF FOR LOVE!!

 

[Fialka]

Perhaps it's best to not play Solas defense squad? People are going to think what they're going to think and they can express it on here all they want but trying to argue just seems to make everything go around in a circle.

I don't like seeing this thread get so argumentative. The hurt feelings will die down eventually and if people want to think worse of Solas or be less interested in him or even find him hypocritical in light of this new information, that's their right. We can only form opinions based on what we know, after all. There are always going to be people who want to come into a thread and bash but it's probably best to just leave that alone.

Happy days again, Solas thread?

Yea, I know. Its not even so much people attacking Solas (you're right, people are free to like him or not), its more the fact that people are willing to dismiss any character based on snap judgment... Especially since, had they bothered to read even the last couple pages of the thread, we were coming up with interesting speculations about why that wouldn't necessarily be the case. But there I go, getting all ranty again, haha! I should learn to be a bit less reactive, I know... As many others have said, tensions are high right now and I'm sure it'll calm down in the next couple days. We'll all go back to being fuzzy unicorns in our happy village soon enough

[Natarsi]

Natarsi, on 31 Aug 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

*bangs head against wall* *repeatedly*
I got to sleep with the intention to stop following DA:I news cause I decided that I already have more than enough info and don't want to know the whole game in advance, when this morning I took just a small tiny little glance at the board... and the headline of this thread jumped at me.

God. damn. it.

... Now I need to make another unplanned character. *sigh* If male, was allowed, I'd already have my usual elf-rogue ready and set. Oh well.
At least he is not in my first two runs (probably) so I can get a warning if it's sucky romance (which I doubt) or about elf babies.
I originally wasn't interested in Solas as a LI at all, but simply as a companion.
Then SOMEONE compared him personality-wise to possibly Spock/Mordin with visuals of Charles Xavier/Lex Luther and... I did wish for him to be romancable if he goes in that direction...


Or maybe Yule (my ice-lovign elf-mage) needs a gender change? *glances over*
Yule: .... *glare*
Me: No outright protest? Hmm... this could work...
Yule: ... *sigh* *retreats in fear of plotting brain*
Me: *mumbling*That's resignation to acceptation, right?

*reads new posts before posthing this one*
... Great. First Spock/Mordin/Charles Xavier/Lex Luther references and now the VOICE X.x
Way to abuse all my weaknesses at once, do you?
The voice was the first thing that sold me to Fenris and Nihlus and Garrus and James, you know?!

...
Phew. I finally made it to the end of the thread... XD

 

 

XD Made my day

 

 

XD At least someone got something good out of my suffering XD

 

And it's more or less official. My (poor) Yule will turn to the 'darkside' for Solas XD

Translation: I'm going to make a female version of my Yule. BUT! In my headcanon he'll be a hermaphrodite posing as male. Depending on the romance plot, it will be interesting how this plays out in my mind. Right now I'm on the 'Solas will feel himself drawn to Yule, thinking he's a guy and be confused, cause he's never been interested in guys before. When things turn more serious than possibly Solas' version of flirting/courting, Yule will confront him, thinking Solas somehow found out his 'genders' and then things will turn interesting :3

 

 

In the case anyone's interested, this is my Yule, already dressed up for his role inquisitor (just not as young looking planned ^^°)

https://flic.kr/p/ozTLXr

 

 

 

Also, I guess if Solas is a hypocrite so am I.

I've always considered myself as 'open-minded' because I have no problem with heterosexual nor homosexual pairings, friends and aquaintances. I don't even mind too much if a woman is hitting onto me, thought I'll make it clear I'm not interested.

I guess just not finding females attractive must be hypocrite then, no? Can't claim to be open-minded and then only like guys ;P

 

On a side-note: It's claimed it's plot-related... Really I could care a little less. If Solas just only finds himself attracted to female elves, that's that.
It will be interesting thought, if Solas himself claims to have DECIDED that he'll only give female elves a chance. Because if he's decided on it, there's got to be reasons. And if there are reasons... I want to know - > after 20th November, not before.

 

 

Varric is Biancasexual, so he's gender-, race- and PERSONgated.
*coughs* and I admit I toyed with the idea of making a female Inquisitor rogue and call her Bianca, just because.

[Mistic]

If he wants to have children one day, I doubt he'll have an adverse reaction to an elven woman leading the Inquisition whom he isn't romantically involved with.

 

Mm, I don't know. In past games companions have been judgemental of the protagonist's choice in party banter. In Da:O, Wynne and many others considering Morrigan a bad influence, Alistair distrustful of Zevran, venomous conversations between Leliana and Morrigan. In DA2, Anders was the worst offender, going as far as calling Fenris "a wild dog" and offering Hawke "someone more openminded", or telling Merrill that she will only betray Hawke. "That's all your kind can do".

 

So it's not as if there is no precedent about it.

[manabloom]

Maybe I'm the odd one out, but my initial thought that he was kind of hypocritical had nothing to do with his sexuality, but that he was only available to elves. Specifically cos of the quote that he doesn't like being seen as just an elf. But the fact that it's "for story reasons" just makes me more intrigued about what those would be. 

 

No, you're not odd; there were plenty of others voicing similar opinions. But there was also a lot of "straight??? but... open-minded!" and while I am disappointed that he's straight, I draw issue with that... "argument." There were some gross counter "arguments" too that involved speaking of monosexuality as somehow "better" than multisexuality so I was rather displeased with that as well. I don't like the gender gate one bit, but as I said, that's an issue with the writers, not the character. As for the race gate, I agree with you about being intrigued. I can't wait to see what's just that important, you know? 

 

Also, in response to the open-minded = bisexual argument. I definitely agree the one thing has nothing to do with the other - I like to think I'm open-minded, and I absolutely support LGBT equality and accurate representation, etc. But, try as I might, I could never be attracted to women. So, I think I myself fly in the face of that

But, I made the correlation myself, not because I believed the two were related, but because I hoped it was a hint. A bit silly, perhaps, but I was so rooting for Solas to be bi for the sake of inclusion, and for our male Solassians to be happy, that I wanted it to be true

 

Hah, yes, I would say you do!  And absolutely agree about the latter. Like I said, I really wanted him to be bi/pan... Hell, I even expected him to be, but that was because I expected inclusion. It had nothing to do with his character interview. So we're definitely on the same page here.

[Kirie]

Perhaps it's best to not play Solas defense squad? People are going to think what they're going to think and they can express it on here all they want but trying to argue just seems to make everything go around in a circle.

I don't like seeing this thread get so argumentative. The hurt feelings will die down eventually and if people want to think worse of Solas or be less interested in him or even find him hypocritical in light of this new information, that's their right. We can only form opinions based on what we know, after all. There are always going to be people who want to come into a thread and bash but it's probably best to just leave that alone.

Happy days again, Solas thread?

I think my problem is is that we're still recovering for yesterday's news. I'm fine with people having opinions, they can say whatever they want, but I think it's personally kind of cruel to jump in when emotions are so raw right now. They could at least give us some time, you know? I think it's only natural to feel upset when people are calling out a character you enjoy for being a racist or homophobe as some have, so I don't really see it as a defense squad xD I think in a few days it'll be just fine though. The Cullen thread rebounded nicely, so I think ours most definitely will too But yes, people are entitled to say whatever they want.

BUT. I keep forgetting there's an ignore function, so at least for me I'm just going to start using it for my own peace of mind and so I just don't get so aggravated at people. Sorry about that y'all!