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[CapricornSun]

Mini art break. 

 

More gorgeous modern AU Solas from salesart. This time he's in a suit and sweater and under an umbrella. 

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Source: http://salesart.tumb...and-sweater-for

 

 

Adorable chibi Solas artworks! OMG the wolf ones are so cute. GUUUUYSS!!!   

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Source: http://elfroot-in-em...st/132874268639

 

[Cee]

Little white wolf with the heart.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I want to experience Calphernia's story but this will mean that I have to kill Fiona (since she functions as the boss at the end of In Your Heart Shall Burn despite Alexius being the better potential boss figure as he doesn't involve killing off a recurring major character in an anticlimax.)

Whether a book character is major or minor seems to be no object. Celene, Gaspard, and Briala can each die during DAI and Celene's been a plot point since Ostagar. This is why I'm kinda meh on introducing and developing key characters in the novels. If you didn't read them and the game doesn't develop the characters further (a la Cole), they're just random bit parts, and the game tells you they're important without really showing why.

[CapricornSun]

Not sure if these were shared but some more Disney Meets Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

Source: http://dopeybeauty.t...age-inquisition

 

 

More under the tag.

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[Illyria]

Whether a book character is major or minor seems to be no object. Celene, Gaspard, and Briala can each die during DAI and Celene's been a plot point since Ostagar. This is why I'm kinda meh on introducing and developing key characters in the novels. If you didn't read them and the game doesn't develop the characters further (a la Cole), they're just random bit parts, and the game tells you they're important without really showing why.

 

Gaspard, Briala and Celene all get an entire quest in which you choose their fate.  Fiona is a slightly stronger mook during a mook rush and she doesn't get a cutscene to the start or end of her boss battle.  Plus, it's gave the fanbrats more ammo in the 'Fiona was complicit in what the Venatori were doing' thing.   Because Creators know that the series is short of stuff that people can use to show how much mages and elves deserve what's coming to them.  On top of that the entire plot about a former slave and abuse survivor selling her people into slavery was so insultingly bad. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Gaspard, Birala and Celene all get an entire quest in which you choose their fate.  Fiona is a slightly stronger mook during a mook rush and she doesn't get a cutscene to the start or end of her boss battle.  Plus, it's gave the fanbrats more ammo in the 'Fiona was complicit in what the Venatori were doing' thing.   Because Creators know that the series is short of stuff that people can use to show how much mages and elves deserve what's coming to them.  On top of that the entire plot about a former slave and abuse survivor selling her people into slavery was so insultingly bad. 

 

I'm not disagreeing with you about Fiona.  Like the three at Halamshiral, the only way to know anything about who she is or what she's like is to read the books.  I don't even like Fiona.  But I respected her book incarnation, and I could see where she was coming from.  I think the in-game portrayal of her was subpar, but my point is that this problem of game portrayal vs. book portrayal is not unique to her.  It affects Celene, Briala, Michel, and Gaspard too, though to a lesser extent.

 

IMO Loghain is a good example of how to introduce a character in a book, while still doing them justice in the game proper.  I didn't read Stolen Throne before playing DA:O, but I'd say the game still gave me a good impression of what makes Loghain tick.  Reading Stolen Throne gives a deeper appreciation of the character and his story, but it's not necessary to "get" him.  Same thing with Cole--you don't need Asunder!Cole to "get" Inquisition!Cole, though experiencing both makes the character richer.

[Illyria]

I'm not disagreeing with you about Fiona.  Like the three at Halamshiral, the only way to know anything about who she is or what she's like is to read the books.  I don't even like Fiona.  But I respected her book incarnation, and I could see where she was coming from.  I think the in-game portrayal of her was subpar, but my point is that this problem of game portrayal vs. book portrayal is not unique to her.  It affects Celene, Briala, Michel, and Gaspard too, though to a lesser extent.

 

IMO Loghain is a good example of how to introduce a character in a book, while still doing them justice in the game proper.  I didn't read Stolen Throne before playing DA:O, but I'd say the game still gave me a good impression of what makes Loghain tick.  Reading Stolen Throne gives a deeper appreciation of the character and his story, but it's not necessary to "get" him.  Same thing with Cole--you don't need Asunder!Cole to "get" Inquisition!Cole, though experiencing both makes the character richer.

 

I didn't mean to sound so hostile.  I agree that all the book characters (with the exception of Cole) were handled badly (especially Briala who had pointless 'grey' added to her character and Celene's abuse downplayed) they at least got an entire quest, whereas it's possible to kill Fiona without even knowing you did that.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I didn't mean to sound so hostile.  I agree that all the book characters (with the exception of Cole) were handled badly (especially Briala who had pointless 'grey' added to her character and Celene's abuse downplayed) they at least got an entire quest, whereas it's possible to kill Fiona without even knowing you did that.

 

Nah, it's cool.  It's always frustrating when a character you like gets shortchanged.  I'll admit to being more upset over Briala and Michel than I was over Fiona

[Illyria]

Nah, it's cool.  It's always frustrating when a character you like gets shortchanged.  I'll admit to being more upset over Briala and Michel than I was over Fiona

 

I was also disappointed about Michel but I'd imagine that was for different reasons...

 

Briala though.  Best Elf's Best Friend (aka Best Revolutionary*) deserved so much better.  And also should not have been whitewashed.  And don't even get me started on Celene 'I'll steal a dead guy's armour' de Chalons showing up to the Arbor Wilds in her ballgown.

 

*Fiona is Best Mage Revolutionary

[Raeona]

I didn't mean to sound so hostile.  I agree that all the book characters (with the exception of Cole) were handled badly (especially Briala who had pointless 'grey' added to her character and Celene's abuse downplayed) they at least got an entire quest, whereas it's possible to kill Fiona without even knowing you did that.

 

I didn't read the masked Empire until afterwards, and frankly I am disgusted with how much was swept under the rug, though I suppose it was fitting that the Inquisitor who only knew them for an evening of snooping didn't discover all their worst sides. How easy it was to reconcile Briala and Celene after everything that happened hurts me. 

[Illyria]

I didn't read the masked Empire until afterwards, and frankly I am disgusted with how much was swept under the rug, though I suppose it was fitting that the Inquisitor who only knew them for an evening of snooping didn't discover all their worst sides. How easy it was to reconcile Briala and Celene after everything that happened hurts me. 

 

I do still kind of ship them (I know the pairing is pretty unhealthy but Briala goes into it the second time with all the facts.  Still not sure it's going to work in the long term but it's the best option for elves in the game) but I think the player should've been made far more aware of all the facts.  That Celene murdered Briala's parents as part of the Game should've come into it somewhere.

[Vhenan Sequitur]

11 hours?! You'll kill your back! And your neck! And your shoulders!

 

Btw did anyone notice this? Found it on tumblr

 

Comparison of Solas' Trespasser tiles to his tarot cards.

 

Source & more here:

http://teaandinanity...dragon-age-keep

 

I never thought much about those Trespasser tiles, but now that you mention it...I think it might be time to pull out my Team Optimism flag once more.

 

Non-Solasmancer/knife murder Inky=Solas is a big nasty Pride demon.

Solasmancer/redemption path Inky=Solas is just a lost, lonely li'l wolfie.

 

OK, now I just have to wait for the bottom to drop out again on this hellspiral roller-coaster fandom of doom.

[Medhia_Nox]

In a few years when DA:4 comes out I'm going to have a phone number you Solas lovers can call for support... cause, it's not going to go well I'm afraid.  

[Ghost Gal]

IMO Loghain is a good example of how to introduce a character in a book, while still doing them justice in the game proper.  I didn't read Stolen Throne before playing DA:O, but I'd say the game still gave me a good impression of what makes Loghain tick.  Reading Stolen Throne gives a deeper appreciation of the character and his story, but it's not necessary to "get" him.  Same thing with Cole--you don't need Asunder!Cole to "get" Inquisition!Cole, though experiencing both makes the character richer.

 

*pops in* Sorry to butt in, but actually The Stolen Throne was written after DAO was completed. Loghain wasn't introduced in the book and then given justice in the game, he was introduced in the game and then elaborated on in the books. =(

 

In a way, that just adds fuel to the argument that the devs are not very good at introducing characters in books and then doing them justice in the games (except Cole, who remains a beautiful exception in-universe and out). I don't think I've encountered a single person who didn't read the books who felt Fiona, Briala, Celene, Gaspard, Mhiris or Michal were rich or engaging characters based on their own merit in the game, nor people who read the books and played the games and felt that rich information or characterization in the books was given justice in the games.

 

Okay, sorry to butt in, I just had to share. *pops out*

[TheyCallMeBunny]

In a few years when DA:4 comes out I'm going to have a phone number you Solas lovers can call for support... cause, it's not going to go well I'm afraid.  

 

That is why we have the Blanket Fort! Free cookies, cute animal gifs and hugs for everyone!     

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

*pops in* Sorry to butt in, but actually The Stolen Throne was written after DAO was completed. Loghain wasn't introduced in the book and then given justice in the game, he was introduced in the game and then elaborated on in the books. =(

 

In a way, that just adds fuel to the argument that the devs are not very good at introducing characters in books and then doing them justice in the games (except Cole, who remains a beautiful exception in-universe and out). I don't think I've encountered a single person who didn't read the books who felt Fiona, Briala, Celene, Gaspard, Mhiris or Michal were rich or engaging characters based on their own merit in the game, nor people who read the books and played the games and felt that rich information or characterization in the books was given justice in the games.

 

Okay, sorry to butt in, I just had to share. *pops out*

 

Huh.  Stolen Throne was released before DA:O (Stolen Throne came out in March 2009 and DA:O in November 2009), so I just assumed it was written before DA:O.  Good to know

 

The other character who I thought was well-done in the book and the game was the Architect.  I didn't even know about the book when I played Awakening, and I still felt like the Architect was an interesting antagonist.

 

In a few years when DA:4 comes out I'm going to have a phone number you Solas lovers can call for support... cause, it's not going to go well I'm afraid.

 

Oh, I know I'll probably be an ugly mess of tears, and I'm ok with that  I don't need Solas's story to be a happy one.  I just need it to be a good story and do justice to his character.

[Maria13]

In a few years when DA:4 comes out I'm going to have a phone number you Solas lovers can call for support... cause, it's not going to go well I'm afraid.  

 

Be prepared to spend a lot of time waiting by the telephone then...

[drosophila]

Oh, I know I'll probably be an ugly mess of tears, and I'm ok with that  I don't need Solas's story to be a happy one.  I just need it to be a good story and do justice to his character.

 

Yeah, I expect a hellspiral of pain when this is over. 

 

It occured to me while reading the posts about the Tresspasser tiles that Solas' personal mission in the game might parallel on a smaller scale the choices you can make as a player about Solas' character.

 

Just like with his friend, maybe you'll have to kill Solas as a Pride demon or alternatively help him revert back to his true nature as a spirit of Wisdom.

 

And we all know what happened to Wisdom at the end of the quest

[dawnstone]

She attacks Haven during In Your Heart Shall Burn if you took the templar route.

First time it happened I actually didn't notice. I was too busy winching the stupid catapult.

This happened to me too! Someone mentioned you kill Fiona in that battle, and I had no idea she was even there because my team was fighting while I manned the trebuchet.

 

I feel sad that you never get to learn anything else about her or her connection to Alistair unless you've read the book, but I guess I'd rather have more content about the main characters.

 

I'm very much looking forward to having either Mae and Calpernia in DA4, hopefully they're both party members (and since I always let him live, maybe Fenris will show up - my Hawke is dead, maybe he might join or help lead the slave rebellion? I wonder if he'd work for Solas.)

[Cee]

Yeah, I expect a hellspiral of pain when this is over. 

 

It occured to me while reading the posts about the Tresspasser tiles that Solas' personal mission in the game might parallel on a smaller scale the choices you can make as a player about Solas' character.

 

Just like with his friend, maybe you'll have to kill Solas as a Pride demon or alternatively help him revert back to his true nature as a spirit of Wisdom.

 

And we all know what happened to Wisdom at the end of the quest

 

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*sits in feels corner with fluffy blanket*

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah, I expect a hellspiral of pain when this is over. 
 
It occured to me while reading the posts about the Tresspasser tiles that Solas' personal mission in the game might parallel on a smaller scale the choices you can make as a player about Solas' character.
 
Just like with his friend, maybe you'll have to kill Solas as a Pride demon or alternatively help him revert back to his true nature as a spirit of Wisdom.
 
And we all know what happened to Wisdom at the end of the quest

I would prefer redeemed!Solas to live, for variety's sake if nothing else. Mordin's death and redemption in ME3 were beautiful and left me in blubbering tears, but it's not the only way to redeem a character.

Jennifer Hepler (Anders' writer) said that she really liked the poetic justice of letting Anders live after he blew up the Chantry, and I would say the same is true for Solas. Giving him redemption-via-death is easy. Teaching him to live in the world he helped create (however inadvertently) is a harder path to redemption, and IMO a more interesting one.

[Uirebhiril]

In a few years when DA:4 comes out I'm going to have a phone number you Solas lovers can call for support... cause, it's not going to go well I'm afraid.  

 

Weekes did post to twitter once about how one might see the romance as hopeful. So maybe it will be. And even if not, I have faith in Weekes to deliver us an awesome story, whatever the outcome. He's earned that trust.

 

So you know what? Bring it. We aren't unaware of how things could go, but we're damn well good and ready to see it through. Story's too good not to.

[Illyria]

 

Huh.  Stolen Throne was released before DA:O (Stolen Throne came out in March 2009 and DA:O in November 2009), so I just assumed it was written before DA:O.  Good to know

 

The other character who I thought was well-done in the book and the game was the Architect.  I didn't even know about the book when I played Awakening, and I still felt like the Architect was an interesting antagonist.

 

 

 

Oh, I know I'll probably be an ugly mess of tears, and I'm ok with that  I don't need Solas's story to be a happy one.  I just need it to be a good story and do justice to his character.

 

 

That actually makes sense since Alistair was originally a much older veteran-type character, which wouldn't fit in with TST and TC's timelines.

[Cee]

Must....not.....hellspiral....

 

too late.

 

Sometimes I am really glad I wear water resistant/waterproof eyeliner.

[drosophila]

I would prefer redeemed!Solas to live, for variety's sake if nothing else. Mordin's death and redemption in ME3 were beautiful and left me in blubbering tears, but it's not the only way to redeem a character.

Jennifer Hepler (Anders' writer) said that she really liked the poetic justice of letting Anders live after he blew up the Chantry, and I would say the same is true for Solas. Giving him redemption-via-death is easy. Teaching him to live in the world he helped create (however inadvertently) is a harder path to redemption, and IMO a more interesting one.

 

Oh, totally agree. I was just going off of the idea that his personal mission in game might represent on a smaller scale what they're planning for him.

 

But yes, real redempton for him would be life, hard work, and trying to make peace with the choices he regrets.