Must....not.....hellspiral....
too late.
Sometimes I am really glad I wear water resistant/waterproof eyeliner.
I think I slowly build up hellspiral resistance over time. I'm not fully immune, but the more I get exposed to hellspiral feels, the better I get at compartmentalizing and storing them away until DA4 arrives. Then I'll open the floodgates of fangirl tears 
Yeah, I expect a hellspiral of pain when this is over.
It occured to me while reading the posts about the Tresspasser tiles that Solas' personal mission in the game might parallel on a smaller scale the choices you can make as a player about Solas' character.
Just like with his friend, maybe you'll have to kill Solas as a Pride demon or alternatively help him revert back to his true nature as a spirit of Wisdom.
And we all know what happened to Wisdom at the end of the quest
Yeah, I think it's also hinted heavily in Jaws of Hakkon, when they talk about spirits that have been in outside the Fade too long needing periodic "rebirthing" to basically keep them from becoming corrupt. Of course, that may only be the case in a world where the Veil is in place.
I really would prefer to not have to fight him though, and he says himself that the way a spirit appears depends largely on what the person it appears to expects to see - one of my Lavellans at least does not believe him to be a monster, though he proposes monstrous things. She wants to lead him back to the light if possible.
I think I slowly build up hellspiral resistance over time. I'm not fully immune, but the more I get exposed to hellspiral feels, the better I get at compartmentalizing and storing them away until DA4 arrives. Then I'll open the floodgates of fangirl tears
Same here. I mostly compartmentalize or displace the hellspiral feels onto fictional characters. I also joke around about it. I can find every way possible to avoid the tears until DA4 shoves sadness in my face.
I think I slowly build up hellspiral resistance over time. I'm not fully immune, but the more I get exposed to hellspiral feels, the better I get at compartmentalizing and storing them away until DA4 arrives. Then I'll open the floodgates of fangirl tears
I'm just wired to be super sensitive in general, so the slightest thing can just be all 'oops, my eyes are leaking again'. Even happy stuff. I think maybe I might resist, but I know better. I accept that I can get nudged right back in at the slightest thing. I joke about it too but it really helps now that I understand how I process everything.
The hellspiral is real. 
I had to cry a bit (I've been feeling a bit hellspiral-y the past few days) but here's some art before I go to bed.
Solas and Lavellan arguing, then making up.
You destroyed your home. Now, you want to destroy their world. You are not a hero. You are not even true god. You are monster.
Death games. (Solas; Warning for blood.)
Looking Glass fanart: Gorgeous artwork of the Haninan transforming into a dwarf (from chapter 13).
Yeah, I think it's also hinted heavily in Jaws of Hakkon, when they talk about spirits that have been in outside the Fade too long needing periodic "rebirthing" to basically keep them from becoming corrupt. Of course, that may only be the case in a world where the Veil is in place.
I really would prefer to not have to fight him though, and he says himself that the way a spirit appears depends largely on what the person it appears to expects to see - one of my Lavellans at least does not believe him to be a monster, though he proposes monstrous things. She wants to lead him back to the light if possible.
This doesn't just apply to spirits; it's true of all people. Treat people like monsters, and they become monsters. It's IMO a large reason why the Circle system was messed up at its core.
If it's done right, it'll be a nice little meta-story for Solas. If the player thinks he's a horrible monster and treats him as such, that's what he'll be. If the player thinks he's redeemable, that's what he'll be. IMO it's a larger-scale version of something like hardening/softening Leliana and Alistair. It's still the same character, but the player's actions bring different traits of that character to the forefront.
I'm just wired to be super sensitive in general, so the slightest thing can just be all 'oops, my eyes are leaking again'.
The hellspiral is real.
Same here. I've also reached a point where just reading fics containing tender moments between Solas and Lavellan make me cry. 
*sniff* Anyway, goodnight everyone!
Weekes did post to twitter once about how one might see the romance as hopeful. So maybe it will be. And even if not, I have faith in Weekes to deliver us an awesome story, whatever the outcome. He's earned that trust.
So you know what? Bring it. We aren't unaware of how things could go, but we're damn well good and ready to see it through. Story's too good not to.
He also said Solas was a totally ordinary apostate, nothing to see here, move along citizen. You can't fool me, Weekes! You deliver great characters at the expense of my delicate little heart!
Dang it, I should have just romanced Josephine. Do you see her trying to burn down the world, Solas? No, no you don't, because that would be a totally unreasonable thing to do.
Speaking of design, I've seen that cracked texture in DA art before (like that Deep roads pic I referenced from). Is it a brush? Cause I'd much like to have one rather than trying to draw cracks manually.
Also threes, threes all over the 'stop Solas' picture.
I'm not topping on this tablet that refuses to post links. Besides, I already contributed to the top today with smoking Abelas
If you're still looking, there are a bunch of free textures on DeviantArt. I'm sure they can be found elsewhere too.
And this cracks texture brush.
And @ smoking Abelas. Laughing so hard. I just watched Half Baked with my fiance. I had never seen it before and it's on Netflix.
Also, while I'm off topic, here's an adorable little Zev sprite. 
Dang it, I should have just romanced Josephine. Do you see her trying to burn down the world, Solas? No, no you don't, because that would be a totally unreasonable thing to do.
Seriously. Though every time I get sad over Solavellan, I remind myself that I could have easily avoided this by scrapping the Solavellan playthrough and starting again with my Lavellan and Josie being Perfect Disney Princesses ™. And I didn't do it. So I have only myself to blame 
Dang it, I should have just romanced Josephine.
Yes, what are you waiting for? Romance the Swan Princess of Awesome now.
Josephine 
Seriously. Though every time I get sad over Solavellan, I remind myself that I could have easily avoided this by scrapping the Solavellan playthrough and starting again with my Lavellan and Josie being Perfect Disney Princesses ™. And I didn't do it. So I have only myself to blame
Just ran out of likes 
Seriously. Though every time I get sad over Solavellan, I remind myself that I could have easily avoided this by scrapping the Solavellan playthrough and starting again with my Lavellan and Josie being Perfect Disney Princesses ™. And I didn't do it. So I have only myself to blame
I know! I kept saying to myself, I like stories with a little more tragedy to them. I'm sure Solas will have a a complex relationship, with bittersweet moments, and then finally a happy ending that will be worth all the heartbreak.
Two out of three ain't bad.
And now Josephine is being a sweetheart in the corner and I'm weeping over an Eluvian.
the sad feels in the thread this evening make me feel guilty for never writing fanfic about solas that isnt sad
And now Josephine is being a sweetheart in the corner and I'm weeping over an Eluvian.
At least Josie's happy in my headcanon. I shipped her with Ser Barris. It was an "I'm sorry have some happy stuff" gift to both of them, since I didn't romance Josie with either Inquisitor despite being tempted, AND I conscripted the templars in Lavellan's playthrough
the sad feels in the thread this evening make me feel guilty for never writing fanfic about solas that isnt sad
Nah, you write what speaks to you. If that's crushing sorrow, full steam ahead! All I can write these days is pointless fluff
Just came back from watching "Spectre" together with my sister and her hubby.... kept referring to "Skyfall" as "SKYHOLD", possibly more than freaking once 
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Yup. While more diversity is good it seems BW are making a conscious decision to stay away from unfortunate implication tropes.
She attacks Haven during In Your Heart Shall Burn if you took the templar route.
First time it happened I actually didn't notice. I was too busy winching the stupid catapult.
At least Josie's happy in my headcanon. I shipped her with Ser Barris. It was an "I'm sorry have some happy stuff" gift to both of them, since I didn't romance Josie with either Inquisitor despite being tempted, AND I conscripted the templars in Lavellan's playthrough
She deserves a happy ending. I am to have at least one character happy by the end of a game, it's usually tougher task than it sounds. Thedas isn't a very happy place, is it?
I remember hearing all about how sweet and romantic Cullen's romance was, only to be confronted with 'how should I deal with my crippling addiction?' and I haven't had the guts to go back. Sorry Cullen, too close to home. I'd rather have someone make off with my valleslin.
I appreciate this too, but I do think BW have shot themselves in the foot a little bit with the elves in general though. I mean, even if though Solas is a straight white guy, he's still an elf - which are shown in the game as being an oppressed racial minority, where a lot of their lore was based on jewish people & native americans. So it's a little unnerving, and a bit jarring, come Trespasser when Solas speaks in terms of 'my people' vs. 'your people'. Especially when this guy was supposed to be a reformer and a radical from his time - he's 'one of the good guys'. It's slightly... insensitive, really, when the former radical anti-slavery campaigner is proposing mass extinction as a solution to a problem.
This isn't a criticism of Solas really, more that Bioware didn't think the implications of this through. I think they need to assert that humanity has a role in the current state of elves - they enslaved them again, they ensure that they're still impoverished and desperate - as you could easily misread the situation as being entirely the elves fault, that they deserved it, etc.
Part of me would like to think if they'd made Solas more visibly diverse they'd have realised exactly how weird that scneario is and re-thought it through. But that would possibly involve rewriting a massive amount of the game's original plot, so maybe the Solas we currently have is the best compromise.
There's always going to be fans who think the mages or elves 'deserved it', just as there's ME fans who think the Quarians deserve to be homelss and almost wiped out. I'm not really too sure I understand your point, though. The elves are shown to be oppressed and enslaved throughout the games. Yeah, more diversity would be good (Solas would be the first plot important non-white character, wouldn't he? Isabela, despite her importance to Act II was optional) but can you imagine the backlash that BW would get for making a bisexual POC want to enact a plan that is basically genocide?
I appreciate this too, but I do think BW have shot themselves in the foot a little bit with the elves in general though. I mean, even if though Solas is a straight white guy, he's still an elf - which are shown in the game as being an oppressed racial minority, where a lot of their lore was based on jewish people & native americans. So it's a little unnerving, and a bit jarring, come Trespasser when Solas speaks in terms of 'my people' vs. 'your people'. Especially when this guy was supposed to be a reformer and a radical from his time - he's 'one of the good guys'. It's slightly... insensitive, really, when the former radical anti-slavery campaigner is proposing mass extinction as a solution to a problem.
We have to remember that we don't yet know all the details. And Solas mostly says that the world "may" be destroyed, so we're yet to see how it all plays out - then there's of course a fact that it's a solution he openly admits is not optimal, but for one reason or another he thinks he has no choice.
I'd also like to remind people of Weekes' little twitter tirade at one point:
I mean, call me crazy, but with this he basically says he's on Solas's side, at least in terms of trying to do something. And the guy's apparently a pretty big pacifist who always goes for less violent solutions. So I'd say that there's more to Solas's plan than people generally give him credit for, given that Weekes is both Solas' writer AND new lead writer of DA games.
I mean, LOL, let's face it - even among people who really like him, there's this strong preconception that Solas's plans generally suck real bad. I'd say that it's a tad unfair for him, especially after Trespasser, where he basically saved both Inky and the South (and I have to say, as bad as life can suck for Inky during or after Trespasser, how lucky they are to have someone to help them mop up their mistakes or oversights, saving them from heartache and a baggage of guilt... while I'm pretty sure nobody was there to help Solas with when things started to get wrong).
That some of his plans backfire IMO mostly shows just how many odds he has against himself (though that's aside form the point that he feels guilty for pretty much everything...).
I had no idea I would have to kill Fiona if I took the Templar route the first time I did it, and I was genuinely close to tears when I had to kill her.
I like Fiona. She's had a lot of interesting experiences - as a child, a grey warden, and then as a senior enchanter in the circle. Not much of this comes across at all during Inquisition. She's not done justice in the game, really. The decisions she makes simply don't correspond with her character or her experiences - she would never, ever, ever sell her people into indentured servitude to Tevinter, she was a slave.
Well, you can't forget that they've actually showed her in Val Royeaux, willingly offering Inquisition help with the mages before Alexius hopped through time to change events.
And considering that Venatori likely stoop to blood magic AND may as well got help from Nightmare demon to play on Fiona's fears and...I'm not really that surprised that she caved in. Desperate people do desperate things. In Inquisition/DA that's basically a theme.
Well, you can't forget that they've actually showed her in Val Royeaux, willingly offering Inquisition help with the mages before Alexius hopped through time to change events.
And considering that Venatori likely stoop to blood magic AND may as well got help from Nightmare demon to play on Fiona's fears and...I'm not really that surprised that she caved in. Desperate people do desperate things. In Inquisition/DA that's basically a theme.
IMO the difference is that the narrative spells it out in the Wardens' case: Nightmare played off their fears and gave them just enough rope to hang themselves. I'd assume the situation is similar with the rebel mages, but it's neither spelled out nor made very clear, which makes it easier to place all the moral blame for Redcliffe on Fiona and her fellow rebels. Alexius is also a more sympathetic bad guy than the jerkface at Therinfal Redoubt, or Magister Erimond. It's harder to put Alexius in the position of cackling villain behind the scenes when so much of his characterization is driven by his desperation to save his son.
Well, you can't forget that they've actually showed her in Val Royeaux, willingly offering Inquisition help with the mages before Alexius hopped through time to change events.
And considering that Venatori likely stoop to blood magic AND may as well got help from Nightmare demon to play on Fiona's fears and...I'm not really that surprised that she caved in. Desperate people do desperate things. In Inquisition/DA that's basically a theme.
Except the game does not make that clear. You mention that in any anti-Fiona thread and you'll be asked for proof, told you're making things up and that you're ignoring canon.
Except the game does not make that clear. You mention that in any anti-Fiona thread and you'll be asked for proof, told you're making things up and that you're ignoring canon.
Which is why you don't leave the Blanketfort! Or you do and picture everyone out there as an angry yelling muppet
Which is why you don't leave the Blanketfort! Or you do and picture everyone out there as an angry yelling muppet
That helps. I also have Cee to drag me back here. Which she often does (thanks, Cee!)
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