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[Cee]

 

 

Nirwen Lavellan, the Spider A Fantasy Novel
by Cee-namon Roll

 

In an aravel there lived a pregnant, sour spider named Nirwen Lavellan. Not a boring friendly, serene aravel, filled with pieces and a green smell, nor yet a firm, lost, mercurial aravel with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a spider-aravel, and that means shelter.

 

One day, after a troubling visit from the dragon Solas , Nirwen leaves her aravel and sets out in search of three frightening ducks. A quest undertaken in the company of elves, deer and wise Tevinters.

 

In the search for the dragon-guarded ducks, Nirwen Lavellan surprises even herself with her necromancy and skill as a warrior.

 

During her travels, Nirwen rescues a staff, an heirloom belonging to Solas. But when Solas refuses to try feeding, their friendship is over.

 

However, Solas is wounded at the Battle of Hogwarts and the two reconcile just before Nirwen engages in some serious feeding.

 

Nirwen accepts one of the three frightening ducks and returns home to her aravel a very wealthy spider.

 

 

[Aneira]

I haven't read the books but I have seen most of the season of the tv series... I was thinking of maybe I should because it might be better then the tv series.

 

The books are waaaaay better than the tv series! I started reading them after watching the first two seasons and finished them all over a course of a few months. As a downside I cannot enjoy the show as much as I have before, since there are so many changes made that I don't understand, why they were made. Especially if a strong female character, who actively chases someone in the books and does freaking great on her own (trying not to spoiler here) becomes a stupid damsel in distress so her shiny-armour-boyfriends can rescue her.

 

If you can live with that and with loooong and overly detailed descriptions of everyone's attire and food - go ahead, read them! They're great!

 

Still looking forward to the next season, to see which of the theories that I read about - and find plausible - are true.

 

Also there was a suspicious tweet by GRRM that may be interpreted as a hint that the 6th book will come out soon. *boarding the hype train*

[Solas]

Noo! I've been looking forward to it for so long! Why is it pish?

Loads of people seem to love it and be really enjoying it so far so I wouldn't say my dislike of it is representative. if you're looking forward to it, read some reviews or watch some gameplay vids or ask others if they like it before writing it off it could be largely because the game is not to my tastes.

 

Maybe spoilers under cut , just to be safe. please note this is only my personal opinion. if you feel differently thats okay. if you dont want to read fallout4 critical opinions, don't click.

Spoiler

phrases on the dialogue wheel thing are too simplistic and not representative of what she's about to say.

dialogue lines from both the PC and other characters, while decently voiced-acted, are poorly-written and often fall flat and unnatural. the PC in particular comes off like.. insincere? and lacking in emotion/depth. all dialogue is like .. out of a can

characters are 2D and shallow depth-wise.

gameplay is clunky and not very intuitive.

AI is poor

awful fiddly interface/menu designs.

PC comes off as dumb as a rock.

items show no weight or value before I pick them up?

I miss the layer of humor I found in previous games.

story is slow to get going

 

I have a husband and a kid that I don't want.. I was encouraged when I heard there would be same-sex romances in the game, now I guess my gay PC I have to play as someone who was closeted or in denial for the past however many years (eww what the ****).. I can deal with having siblings or parents in a game (eg the Hawkes or Couslands) but a spouse and kid is too much for me, takes too much control or agency from me, if that makes sense. blankslate I can work with (Skyrim), background/history choices I can work with (like Dalish Elf or Noble human, or Sole Survivor or Butcher of Torfan, etc), this much definition is too much. I guess I see now why people are saying it's not an RPG even tho it's sometimes billed as an RPG.

 

the writing isn't good enough to make me care about this husband and child either. I didn't have enough time with them to grow attached, and they/our relationship is nowhere near fleshed out enough for me to be attached. so when the husband got shot I didn't care at ALL (usually character death affects me deeply) and when the baby was kidnapped I was like, GREAT, TAKE HIM, I don't want him...

 

the openworld exploration is good and the game looks.. decent graphically, at least.

[Cee]

Re: Fallout stuff:

 

Spoiler

 

That thing about forcing your PC to have a spouse and kid bothers me too, especially because the fact you have multiple same sex options but it forces you into a M/F relationship with baby no matter what, initially.

From what I've heard, he narrative stuff is apparently forced in multiple ways that the writing doesn't save, which meshes with what you're saying.

 

[Solas]

Spoiler

Yeah so like I have to either opt to play a closeted or formerly in denial gay person (which tbh is unsettling and uncomfortable, and I don't even tend to be the sort who finds things triggering or anything), try to ignore it and pretend it isn't there, opt to play a bi person rather than a gay person, or just.. be straight.

 

It's not the being straight part that bothers me, I've enjoyed many games where I can only play a straight character (either one completely defined by the game, like Assassin's Creed, or where there are romance options but they're all opposite-sex, like say Persona 4), that's not the issue. it's... I thought this character would be my character or my character in part, only, she's really not, at all. add that to how there's nothing that makes me care about her and it falls completely flat.

I cared more about the story, narrative and characters in the Call of Duty Modern Warfare singleplayer campaign!!! I mean come on.

[Illyria]

Welllllllllllllllllllllll I've been verrrrry busy making some verrrry important things happen in my life.

 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Eh....I like modern medicine, technology, and civil liberties 

 

I'd visit.  With a tour group.  And a native guide who knew how to kick ass.

 

Are you referencing Tough Guide to Fantasyland?

 

I got Fallout 4 to try it because everyone seemed so psyched about it and it looked good, and I wish I hadn't, because I hate it. this is pish

 

Oh nooooo.

 

Okay, I had to. I needed this laugh.

 

Spoiler

 

Two Idealistic Uncles Slowing to the Beat A Short Story
by Cee-namon Roll

 

Nirwen Lavellan had always loved angsty Thedas with its teeny-tiny, testy Tranquil. It was a place where she felt sad.

She was a grumpy, ignorant, tea drinker with freckled arms and erect teeth. Her friends saw her as a gloopy, gifted gremlin. Once, she had even helped an ordinary nug cross the road. That's the sort of woman he was.

 

Nirwen walked over to the window and reflected on her vast surroundings. The mist teased like slicing deepstalker.

Then she saw something in the distance, or rather someone. It was the figure of Solas . Solas was a sloppy rebel with small arms and perky teeth.

Nirwen gulped. She was not prepared for Solas.

 

As Nirwen stepped outside and Solas came closer, she could see the plastic smile on his face.

Solas gazed with the affection of 9051 determined crispy chicken. He said, in hushed tones, "I love you and I want to be stopped."

 

Nirwen looked back, even more disgusted and still fingering the fatal lamp. "Solas, we're all real," she replied.

 

They looked at each other with jubilant feelings, like two mutated, mammoth mouse engaging at a very loyal the creation of the Veil, which had disco music playing in the background and two idealistic uncles slowing to the beat.

Nirwen regarded Solas's small arms and perky teeth. "I feel the same way!" revealed Nirwen with a delighted grin.

 

Solas looked annoyed, his emotions blushing like a defiant, depressed dog.

 

Then Solas came inside for a nice cup of tea.

 

THE END

 

 

 

Now, which of the Evanuris are the idealistic uncles?

 

What is it about those uncles?

 

Loads of people seem to love it and be really enjoying it so far so I wouldn't say my dislike of it is representative. if you're looking forward to it, read some reviews or watch some gameplay vids or ask others if they like it before writing it off it could be largely because the game is not to my tastes.

 

Maybe spoilers under cut , just to be safe. please note this is only my personal opinion. if you feel differently thats okay. if you dont want to read fallout4 critical opinions, don't click.

Spoiler

phrases on the dialogue wheel thing are too simplistic and not representative of what she's about to say.

dialogue lines from both the PC and other characters, while decently voiced-acted, are poorly-written and often fall flat and unnatural. the PC in particular comes off like.. insincere? and lacking in emotion/depth. all dialogue is like .. out of a can

characters are 2D and shallow depth-wise.

gameplay is clunky and not very intuitive.

AI is poor

awful fiddly interface/menu designs.

PC comes off as dumb as a rock.

items show no weight or value before I pick them up?

I miss the layer of humor I found in previous games.

story is slow to get going

 

I have a husband and a kid that I don't want.. I was encouraged when I heard there would be same-sex romances in the game, now I guess my gay PC I have to play as someone who was closeted or in denial for the past however many years (eww what the ****).. I can deal with having siblings or parents in a game (eg the Hawkes or Couslands) but a spouse and kid is too much for me, takes too much control or agency from me, if that makes sense. blankslate I can work with (Skyrim), background/history choices I can work with (like Dalish Elf or Noble human, or Sole Survivor or Butcher of Torfan, etc), this much definition is too much. I guess I see now why people are saying it's not an RPG even tho it's sometimes billed as an RPG.

 

the writing isn't good enough to make me care about this husband and child either. I didn't have enough time with them to grow attached, and they/our relationship is nowhere near fleshed out enough for me to be attached. so when the husband got shot I didn't care at ALL (usually character death affects me deeply) and when the baby was kidnapped I was like, GREAT, TAKE HIM, I don't want him...

 

the openworld exploration is good and the game looks.. decent graphically, at least.

 

Okay, I was worried when I saw your first post but those are also the issues I'm having with it (okay, maybe less so because I'm not a the Vault yet).

[Kadan]

Got stuck into the plot generator again.

I have no idea what's going on in this story.

Spoiler

Galactic Tiny Staff Wars
A Science Fiction Plot
by Nightspirit

 

A long, long time ago in a tiny, tiny galaxy...

After leaving the killer planet Dagobah, a group of pixies fly toward a distant speck. The speck gradually resolves into an important, space skyhold.

Civil war strikes the galaxy, which is ruled by Magister Corypheus, a rural goblin capable of jealousy and even kidnap.

Terrified, a false gremlin known as Solas flees the Empire, with his protector, Arwen Lavellan.

They head for Haven on the planet Thedas. When they finally arrive, a fight breaks out. Lavellan uses her tiny staff to defend Solas.

Lavellan and Gremlin Solas decide it's time to leave Thedas and steal a truck to shoot their way out.

They encounter a tribe of aliens. Lavellan is attacked and the gremlin is captured by the aliens and taken back to Haven.

Lavellan must fight to save Gremlin Solas but when she accidentally unearths a charming kettle, the entire future of the tiny, killer galaxy is at stake.

 

The bit where they wanted to leave earth in a truck really spoke to me and I took the liberty of illustrating it:

Forgot to draw the tiny staff.

And the fact that the randomly generated 'gremlin' ended up describing Solas is delicious.

I love the plot generator...I'm so glad I linked it here, it has truly been a lot of fun reading and laughing over the stories and plots everyone has come up with.

Your story is fantastic! The picture just makes it more wonderful...I agree that we need to know more about this charming kettle.

 

And because there aren't enough love songs out there here's one done in the style of Taylor Swift

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This Love is Hot But It's Stunning In The Style Of Taylor Swift
by Jinx McLorene

We were both generous when I first saw you.
You learn to fly and the flashback starts:
Skyhold is where I'm standing in the winter air.

What are you doing with that new lover?
Who wears that lonely scarf,
When I wear an amazing breeches,
Dreaming about the day when you wake up and find
That what you're looking for is my pointy ears.

So this is me prancing,
Standing in front of you saying, "I didn't mean to hurt you!"
And I go back to winter all the time.
It turns out freedom ain't nothing but crashing emotionally,
Wishing I'd realised I admire you.
I'd go back to winter, turn around and do some acting.
I go back to winter quite often.

Vhenan, let's do some walking,
This love is hot but it's stunning.
It's a love story, vhenan,
Just be my delightful wolf.

We are never ever ever going to try skipping defiantly together,
We are never ever ever going to try skipping defiantly together,
You go talk to your lover, talk to my boyfriend, talk to me,
But we are never ever ever ever going to try skipping defiantly together,
Just kissing deeply forever.

I didn't mean to hurt you vhenan, I didn't mean to hurt you.

 

[Illyria]

[Ardent Blossom]

I love the plot generator...I'm so glad I linked it here, it has truly been a lot of fun reading and laughing over the stories and plots everyone has come up with.

Your story is fantastic! The picture just makes it more wonderful...I agree that we need to know more about this charming kettle.

 

And because there aren't enough love songs out there here's one done in the style of Taylor Swift

Spoiler

This Love is Hot But It's Stunning In The Style Of Taylor Swift
by Jinx McLorene

We were both generous when I first saw you.
You learn to fly and the flashback starts:
Skyhold is where I'm standing in the winter air.

What are you doing with that new lover?
Who wears that lonely scarf,
When I wear an amazing breeches,
Dreaming about the day when you wake up and find
That what you're looking for is my pointy ears.

So this is me prancing,
Standing in front of you saying, "I didn't mean to hurt you!"
And I go back to winter all the time.
It turns out freedom ain't nothing but crashing emotionally,
Wishing I'd realised I admire you.
I'd go back to winter, turn around and do some acting.
I go back to winter quite often.

Vhenan, let's do some walking,
This love is hot but it's stunning.
It's a love story, vhenan,
Just be my delightful wolf.

We are never ever ever going to try skipping defiantly together,
We are never ever ever going to try skipping defiantly together,
You go talk to your lover, talk to my boyfriend, talk to me,
But we are never ever ever ever going to try skipping defiantly together,
Just kissing deeply forever.

I didn't mean to hurt you vhenan, I didn't mean to hurt you.

 

Thanks for linking it here!

And, how about an angsty song in the style of The Cranberries (who I forgot I LUV)!

Spoiler

In The Style Of The Cranberries

by Elfy McSchmexy Pants

 

In the Crossroads,

In the Crossroads, we are fighting,

With daggers, and splinters,

And slings, and arrows.

In the Crossroads,

In the Crossroads we are cryin',

In the Crossroads,

Fen'Harel and me.

We're in the Crossroads, in the Crossroads,

Fen'Harel and me.

 

But I'm in so deep,

I'm such a fool for Fen'Harel,

Fen'Harel's got me wrapped around a finger.

Do I have to breathe?

Do I have to, do I have to breathe?

Oh, I thought the world of Solas.

I thought nothing could go wrong.

But he was a troll, but he was a liar.

 

In the Crossroads, in the Crossroads,

Fen'Harel and me.

We're's in the Crossroads, in the Crossroads,

Fen'Harel and me.

[Maria13]

I got Fallout 4 to try it because everyone seemed so psyched about it and it looked good, and I wish I hadn't, because I hate it. this is pish

 

I've been playing it for a few hours. I find it enjoyable but for me Bioware trumps Bethesda every time. The Beth games are huge and open but ultimately souless... There are things that intrigue and amuse but they never drag you in screaming and shouting, never make you cry. Plus I prefer fantasy to futurism. 

 

Sigh! I would trade every Beth game there ever was for a decent DA4.... Dogmeat is cute, though.

[Solas]

it's a shame because, I don't compare it to BioWare Games, as BW games and Bethesda games are two different beasts, which excel at and focus on different things (story/plot/deep characters and exploration/open-world/sandbox respectively). I didn't go in looking for a BioWare style RPG I went in knowing it would be more like a Skyrim-style RPG, in terms of less fleshed out characters, thinner narrative traded for exploration freedom etc. And I loved Skyrim. for different reasons to reasons I love BW for. but still really disappointed with FO4.

[almasy87]

The Solavellan Sims adventure continues..


Solas, we know Skyhold is technically your castle, but that's not an excuse to sit on the Inquisitor's throne...

And now, it's time to re-enact the romance scenes from the game.

(spoiler for lenght!)

Spoiler

The "The Inquisitor impulsively kisses Solas for the first time"


The "I have not forgotten the kiss"


The "Ar lath ma, Vhenan"


The "You are so beautiful"




The "I'm sorry, I have distracted you from your duty"


"Solas..?"


AND NOW FOR A TWIST!

The "Overly Attached Girlfriend". Lavellan: 'Where do you think you're going?'


The Inquisitor decided she couldn't have that, so she crafted a Voodoo doll to make Solas her slave forever so he can never leave.

"I'm sorry Solas, I know you hate slavery, but this has to be done  "



Once that was done, she then proceeded to seduce him in the hot tub and have hot times which resulted in Lavellan having a triplet of Elvhen glorious babies.. But that's another story, so I'll stop here     

If only the Inquisitor had thought of that in the real game

[Ardent Blossom]

it's a shame because, I don't compare it to BioWare Games, as BW games and Bethesda games are two different beasts, which excel at and focus on different things (story/plot/deep characters and exploration/open-world/sandbox respectively). I didn't go in looking for a BioWare style RPG I went in knowing it would be more like a Skyrim-style RPG, in terms of less fleshed out characters, thinner narrative traded for exploration freedom etc. And I loved Skyrim. for different reasons to reasons I love BW for. but still really disappointed with FO4.

You are a better gamer than I. I've foolishly gone into every game I've played since Knights of the Old Republic looking for Bioware style goodness and walking away terribly disappointed. People have pointed me at Japanese RPGs and Bethesda, and it just doesn't work for me. I've only enjoyed a handful of non-Bioware games: Beyond Good and Evil, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, and the Fable series. I'm so much fun.

[Sable Rhapsody]

You are a better gamer than I. I've foolishly gone into every game I've played since Knights of the Old Republic looking for Bioware style goodness and walking away terribly disappointed. People have pointed me at Japanese RPGs and Bethesda, and it just doesn't work for me. I've only enjoyed a handful of non-Bioware games: Beyond Good and Evil, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, and the Fable series. I'm so much fun.

 

Pillars of Eternity?  Or the new-ish Shadowrun Returns series?

[FernRain]

it's a shame because, I don't compare it to BioWare Games, as BW games and Bethesda games are two different beasts, which excel at and focus on different things (story/plot/deep characters and exploration/open-world/sandbox respectively). I didn't go in looking for a BioWare style RPG I went in knowing it would be more like a Skyrim-style RPG, in terms of less fleshed out characters, thinner narrative traded for exploration freedom etc. And I loved Skyrim. for different reasons to reasons I love BW for. but still really disappointed with FO4.

 

Yeah I agree, Bethesda has the atmosphere (I'll never forget walking up to the Dark Brotherhood sanctum) while Bioware has the relationships and story.

 

Not to play Devil's advocate, but isn't pre-apocolypse fallout set in like the 50s? So it wouldn't be so culturally out-of-place to play someone that was closeted? Maaaybe.

 

Okay I'm going to start the hopefully last leg of my drawing today. Wish me luck falons. Luck and thirst.

[Raeona]

Pillars of Eternity?  Or the new-ish Shadowrun Returns series?

 

Someone gave me Tales of Symphonia, after recommending it extensively. I can't play it till I get home tomorrow, but I anticipate confusion and terror. I really only ever play bioware/obsidian rpgs. JRPGs are unexplored territory which, as the hinterlands have taught me, means its probably filled with bears. 

[Ardent Blossom]

Pillars of Eternity?  Or the new-ish Shadowrun Returns series?

Those are PC only games, right? Until we upgraded for Inquisition I was stuck on a 360, so I haven't played much on PC since back when I was making custom skins for Sims 2! I know everyone's been talking about Pillars of Eternity, and I do love Obsidian for their work on KOTOR II. I might check it out when I get sick of alternating between DAI and Mass Effect mutliplayer.

 

Nothing really scratches the itch like a good Bioware game.  

[Cee]

I'm actually really wary of Obsidian gmaes after playing KOTOR II, but all this Fallout stuff makes me kind of almost consider trying Fallout: New Vegas (which I own) with the right mods installed to take the bugs out.

[Raeona]

I'm actually really wary of Obsidian gmaes after playing KOTOR II, but all this Fallout stuff makes me kind of almost consider trying Fallout: New Vegas (which I own) with the right mods installed to take the bugs out.

 

Oh that's right. You don't like KOTOR II. I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment, because I loved it. Though I suppose there may be nostalgia goggles at work because it was my first real rpg after years of abstaining.You can manipulate me into destroying the force any day, Kreia!

 

Also, I hear New Vegas is great, but it single handedly fried my laptop   

[Ardent Blossom]

I'm actually really wary of Obsidian gmaes after playing KOTOR II, but all this Fallout stuff makes me kind of almost consider trying Fallout: New Vegas (which I own) with the right mods installed to take the bugs out.

Yes, I know KOTOR II was released with tons of bugs and a sloppily truncated ending, but it had such potential. The plot of that game was much better, less black and white, than the first KOTOR. The characters are more interesting. I love it despite its flaws. Everything in that game is so deliciously grey. The restoration mod does a good job of fixing it up for those who miss the cut content.

 

Solas and Flemeth would fit in just fine with Kreia and Atton, I think. 

 

Edit: It also features a kickhalla companion who only has one arm!

[TheyCallMeBunny]

You are a better gamer than I. I've foolishly gone into every game I've played since Knights of the Old Republic looking for Bioware style goodness and walking away terribly disappointed. People have pointed me at Japanese RPGs and Bethesda, and it just doesn't work for me. I've only enjoyed a handful of non-Bioware games: Beyond Good and Evil, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, and the Fable series. I'm so much fun.

 

I'm currently playing Divinity: Original Sin with a friend, and I'm having a blast! It's a turn based role-playing game in which you can heavily customize your characters stats, abilities, skills... Obviously the characters you meet in the game are not up to Bioware standard, but they are so creative in how you solve problems (A ship at the docs is burning? Cast a rainspell and graciously receive everyone's gratitude!). I found it to be more enjoyable when playing with a friend as you can discuss strategies, and also when your characters disagrees on something Divinity resolves it with a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors.

 

[Cee]

Yes, I know KOTOR II was released with tons of bugs and a sloppily truncated ending, but it had such potential. The plot of that game was much better, less black and white, than the first KOTOR. The characters are more interesting. I love it despite its flaws. Everything in that game is so deliciously grey. The restoration mod does a good job of fixing it up for those who miss the cut content.

 

Solas and Flemeth would fit in just fine with Kreia and Atton, I think. 

 

It wasn't the bugginess, it was the plot, the pacing, the characters, and most of all, Kreia. I played it for the first time last year with the restored content mod and add-ons. I was really surprised because I loved the first game and this one was so....annoying and I had Kreia, the thorn in my side who it was clear would inevitably betray me and I had to just keep playing until the game said she would do that'. Dragged out, sour feeling to the whole game. Mass Effect 3 did bleak and urgent intensity better, with questions and people calling you out on occasion without making you feel super judged and criticized.

 

I did love Atton, Visas, T-3, Bao-Dur, and Mira. But they still felt underwritten and that is likely also due to things that were cut.

 

My favorite thing about it was helping and hanging out with the Ithorians. My favorite Star Wars race. Of course, the poor Ithorians were attacked and killed.

 

It was a really draggy and sour experience. The end was a downer no matter what. The ultimate downer was when I read that after surviving all of this, canon killed off the Exile just a year after the end of the game.

 

But I do think Solas is like Kreia, but done a lot better. Like....a lot better. I love Solas, clearly. Kreia had no emotional impact on me other than boredom and irritation.

[Neria Rose]

Yes, I know KOTOR II was released with tons of bugs and a sloppily truncated ending, but it had such potential. The plot of that game was much better, less black and white, than the first KOTOR. The characters are more interesting. I love it despite its flaws. Everything in that game is so deliciously grey. The restoration mod does a good job of fixing it up for those who miss the cut content.

 

Solas and Flemeth would fit in just fine with Kreia and Atton, I think. 

 

Edit: It also features a kickhalla companion who only has one arm!

 

 

My husband preferred KoTOR II over the first one. I have to be honest, though, I greatly preferred the first one (played I multiple times and II only once). In fact, I'd go so far as to say I loathed KoTOR II.

[Raeona]

It wasn't the bugginess, it was the plot, the pacing, the characters, and most of all, Kreia. I played it for the first time last year with the restored content mod and add-ons. I was really surprised because I loved the first game and this one was so....annoying and I had Kreia, the thorn in my side who it was clear would inevitably betray me and i had to just keep playing until the game said she would do that'. Dragged out, sour feeling to the whole game. Mass Effect 3 did bleak and urgent intensity better, with questions and people calling you out on occasion without making you feel super judged and criticized.

 

I did love Atton, Visas, T-3, Bao-Dur, and Mira. But they still felt underwritten and that is likely also due to things that were cut.

 

My favorite thing about it was helping and hanging out with the Ithorians. My favorite Star Wars race. Of course, the poor Ithorians were attacked and killed.

 

It was a really draggy and sour experience.

 

But I do think Solas is like Kreia, but done a lot better. Like....a lot better. I love Solas, clearly. Kreia had no emotional impact on me other than boredom and irritation.

 

Solas is definitely done a lot better, (although he did have three games of build up plus a three year development cycle) but I liked having a cranky grandma hovering over your shoulder. Like Wynne, if she was secretly Loghain. The pacing was floored and the atmosphere was very hit and miss, but it was so nice to see something star wars call out the mythology on it's nonsense.  That said it completely ruined any incarnation of the jedi for me. Black and white is so disappointing now

[Ardent Blossom]

My husband preferred KoTOR II over the first one. I have to be honest, though, I greatly preferred the first one (played I multiple times and II only once). In fact, I'd go so far as to say I loathed KoTOR II.

My main problems with the first KoTOR were 1) Carth and 2) Bastilla. I think I empathized more with the Exile than amnesia stricken Revan too. 

 

To each his or her own. 

 

 

Solas is definitely done a lot better, (although he did have three games of build up plus a three year development cycle) but I liked having a cranky grandma hovering over your shoulder. Like Wynne, if she was secretly Loghain. The pacing was floored and the atmosphere was very hit and miss, but it was so nice to see something star wars call out the mythology on it's nonsense.  That said it completely ruined any incarnation of the jedi for me. Black and white is so disappointing now 

 

Oddly enough, after everything Solas reminds me more of Atton than Kreia. Atton Rand another man with a pathological past who has to be saved from himself, in a way.