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See, my Amell and Hawke thoroughly deserved all the less-than-charitable comments :rolleyes: So while I still think his past attitude about mages got glossed over in DA:I, I'm not upset at him for lashing out at my PCs specifically.  

 

I am slightly frustrated that everyone goes on about 'Kirkwall' but never mention the complicit knight Captain who is now in charge of the largest up and coming military force in Southern Thedas. It just sounds like a missed opportunity from all the Inquisitions enemies, that could have been one hell of a smear campaign, but they don't even try. You're letting me down again, Corypheus/chantry/evil templars etc. 

 

Although, a thought just occurred to me. The Seekers police the Templars right? Why did no Seekers ever check out Kirkwall, or did they take a look and decide it was all good as gold? Sending Leliana to investigate instead seems silly. I ask only out of curiosity, because I imagine many a Hawke would have some choice words for Cassandra if they had a chat. 


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Have to say, I laughed out loud at the music cutting at 1:56.

 

That last one is sad.

Lol. Yeah it's all 

*Romantic romantic romantic mood music oh lovely red hearts and rose petals romantical romancey romantic love is in the air and I think tonight some love will be--*

Inquisitor: I want to break up

...

*Crickets*

 

Nope, I can't.  I can't even click play.  My poor sweet noodle   :crying:

 

I feel protective of Cullen in DA:I since both my Amell and my Hawke went out of their ways to be horrible to him   <_< So he and my Lavellan have a wonderful, platonic, almost-sibling friendship.  No unrequited feelings, no weirdness.  They're just bros.

 

ToP: Kitty Solas!

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My first humorous Hawke was a jerk to him XD in her defense all she saw was a Templar in charge of other Templars who were abusing and taking advantage of mages! I picture them meeting again in Inquisition going something like this:

 

*Hawke walks into the War Room with Varric to speak with speak with the Inquisitor and her advisers and Cassandra*

 

Hawke: Hello there Cullen! Varric told me our formidable Knight-Captain became the Commander of the Inquisition forces. How's that going then? The Inquisitor seems nice! I'm just so glad to see you're not blindly taking orders from mad women anymore!

 

Varric: Hawke...

 

Cullen: Serah Hawke, a pleasure as always. I see you decided to come alone. I can only assume you've become a better judge of your companions.

 

*Hawke and Cullen eye each other coolly*

 

Varric: Well this isn't awkward! Curly, Hawke, I hope we can come to the conclusion that we've all made some less than perfect decisions in the past and through that mutual understanding put the past behind us!

 

Cullen: Of course.

 

Hawke: Water under the bridge!

 

***

 

And you know that Cassandra is watching the whole thing with bated breath!

 

And about cat Solas... eww-- I mean. All the Maker's creatures are special ewewew


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Although, a thought just occurred to me. The Seekers police the Templars right? Why did no Seekers ever check out Kirkwall, or did they take a look and decide it was all good as gold? Sending Leliana to investigate instead seems silly. I ask only out of curiosity, because I imagine many a Hawke would have some choice words for Cassandra if they had a chat. 

 

I think Cass actually discusses this in a banter?  She briefly mentions that the Seekers checked out Kirkwall, but it was before things got really bad, and they decided that Meredith was harsh but not over the line.  Which IMO means they either 1) didn't look very hard on purpose or 2) sent the world's dumbest Seeker to Kirkwall.

 

It's a bit handwave-y, TBH.  My personal headcanon is that Kirkwall is the templar stronghold of the Marches, so its templars have more resources to push back against external intervention.  Bribes, political pressure, calling in favors, whatever they needed to make sure Kirkwall "passed" Seeker scrutiny.  It probably helped that Elthina is fairly useless  <_<


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Ugh I dunno what's with me. I keep flip flopping between writing and drawing. There's only a couple pages left of my comic and I think I've been finding ways to procrastinate ending it. :S

Have some concepty Solas D:
High res here

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hello guys, im still reading even tho not writing ( i've been lazy) ,I have a BDay request :P can some one draw me something connected to DA i can use as Avatar *puppy eyes* . uhhh im still sleeping and waiting for the coffee to kick in so i can think



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I think Cass actually discusses this in a banter?  She briefly mentions that the Seekers checked out Kirkwall, but it was before things got really bad, and they decided that Meredith was harsh but not over the line.  Which IMO means they either 1) didn't look very hard on purpose or 2) sent the world's dumbest Seeker to Kirkwall.

 

It's a bit handwave-y, TBH.  My personal headcanon is that Kirkwall is the templar stronghold of the Marches, so its templars have more resources to push back against external intervention.  Bribes, political pressure, calling in favors, whatever they needed to make sure Kirkwall "passed" Seeker scrutiny.  It probably helped that Elthina is fairly useless  <_<

I kinda thought the same with the Templars in the Free Marches.

 

And mostly just Templars being some serious power tripping jerks over there. Like, Dalish apostates need to stay clear of them like something serious.

 

Probably me just feeding the whole, my Lavellan was probably terrified upon meeting Cullen.

 

Like, "Oh crap, this guy will make me Tranquil I just know it."



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Probably me just feeding the whole, my Lavellan was probably terrified upon meeting Cullen.

 

Like, "Oh crap, this guy will make me Tranquil I just know it."

 

Oh, my Lavellan was terrified of him too, and she wasn't even a mage.  She'd just heard rumors of the mad Knight-Commander and her second-in-command who took control of the city to "bring order."

 

Which is hilarious in hindsight  :lol: She was less scared of the random, convenient Tevinter mage than she was of Cullen.


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Lol. Yeah it's all 

*Romantic romantic romantic mood music oh lovely red hearts and rose petals romantical romancey romantic love is in the air and I think tonight some love will be--*

Inquisitor: I want to break up

...

*Crickets*

 

Haha yes, it's like you can hear the record screeching to a halt.

 

Ugh I dunno what's with me. I keep flip flopping between writing and drawing. There's only a couple pages left of my comic and I think I've been finding ways to procrastinate ending it. :S

Have some concepty Solas D:
High res here

traditional%20solas.jpg

 

Gorgeous Chuchu! I like your art so much. The lighting is so nice! And the colors..


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I am slightly frustrated that everyone goes on about 'Kirkwall' but never mention the complicit knight Captain who is now in charge of the largest up and coming military force in Southern Thedas. It just sounds like a missed opportunity from all the Inquisitions enemies, that could have been one hell of a smear campaign, but they don't even try. You're letting me down again, Corypheus/chantry/evil templars etc. 

 

Although, a thought just occurred to me. The Seekers police the Templars right? Why did no Seekers ever check out Kirkwall, or did they take a look and decide it was all good as gold? Sending Leliana to investigate instead seems silly. I ask only out of curiosity, because I imagine many a Hawke would have some choice words for Cassandra if they had a chat. 

 

 

I think Cass actually discusses this in a banter?  She briefly mentions that the Seekers checked out Kirkwall, but it was before things got really bad, and they decided that Meredith was harsh but not over the line.  Which IMO means they either 1) didn't look very hard on purpose or 2) sent the world's dumbest Seeker to Kirkwall.

 

It's a bit handwave-y, TBH.  My personal headcanon is that Kirkwall is the templar stronghold of the Marches, so its templars have more resources to push back against external intervention.  Bribes, political pressure, calling in favors, whatever they needed to make sure Kirkwall "passed" Seeker scrutiny.  It probably helped that Elthina is fairly useless  <_<

 

Meredith owns and controls Kirkwall essentially. She is the one that put the last Viscount into power. It is her city. They make this evident in the opening scene when Hawke wants to get into the city and the captain basically says I'd prefer not to have the Knight Commander after my head, I don't care how pretty you are. Why would a Templar have any control over refugees entering the city? This should be a city issue and fall under the office of the Viscount. TWOT2 explains that she elevated the current Viscount, and she pretty much as say over everything. I would imagine a Seeker wouldn't find anyone willing to speak up out of fear.

 

Cullen, oh poor vilified Cullen. Not that I find him blameless but lets look at his life, at 13 he went into the Chantry with rose colored glasses. The Templar's are the protectors of the weak and helpless. He is going to be a knight in shining armor making all things right with the world. And then they spend the next 5 years brain washing him. (Here is where I have great respect for Alastair, due to his bitterness of being abandoned he refuses to accept their doctrine, but Cullen laps it up like a puppy.) Then the boy is subjected to the lyrium leash, if he had any reservations it's too late now. They own him. He soon sees what happens to older Templar's but he is bound by duty and honor to follow the doctrine they have hammered into his head. He follows blindly under the delusion that this is the right way. There is no room for questions even when he knows in his gut something isn't right, he is a soldier, and he follows orders without question.

 

Tortured by demons and watching the circle fall to blood mages is pretty ****** traumatic. It reinforces the Chantry's indoctrination that mages are evil and must be controlled. I don't blame him for his rants in the circle quest in DA:O, we often say things in anger we wish we could take back later. But this experience hardens him and he throws himself into his job fully now, all reservations are gone. He's sent to Kirkwall, where his Knight-Commander uses his fears and his trauma to manipulate him, makes him her second in command, but still leaves him in the dark on many of her decisions. Actions she knows he would be against.

 

The first letter he receives from his sister is mentioned in DA:I as his turning point back to humanity. He starts letting go of the hate and is slowly becoming that boy that wanted to be a Templar to help people. But his commander holds a strong arm over mages and templars. Mages are made tranquil and tempalrs are tossed out on the street for minor offenses. Here is where I see him at his weakest. He is afraid to trust his own judgement, so he does nothing, or next to nothing, but he is beginning to think that there has to be a better way. In the end he finally comes almost full circle. He stands up to the tyrant and defends Hawke no matter what position they took, and after strives to rebuild and make Kirkwall safer. If the red lyrium hadn't been an issue he may have succeeded.

 

The Cullen that we meet has had a year to come to terms with the man he was and is striving to be a man he wants to be. In the final scene he thanks the Inquisitor for giving him a chance to redeem himself, he doubts he would have done the same to someone in his similar situation. He's deeply flawed and he knows it. The whole game is a struggle for him to put aside the monster and forgive himself. If he succeeds he's goes on to help Templars, if he doesn't he dies of Lyrium addiction. But no man can do it alone, only with the support and friendship of the Inquisitor is he truly saved.

 

Er wow, that got a bit longer than I intended. :huh:


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Yeah, about Cullen, I still semi dissociate him in DAI from past Cullen, even though I know it's one person's life over time. I don't think the changes were wholly unrealistic, but I didn't like Cullen before DAI, and here, I did. It's admirable that he wants to help and to change, but he's that guy who wanted to kill all the mages.

 

Yet, to Nirwen, my HC is that they got along, he helped initially, and she found him to be a capable military leader, but kind, and caring, and even detecting some of his awkwardness. So that wasn't intimidating.

 

Leliana was intimidating. She was kind of scared of her. Even coming from a background that involved tracking, hunting, dagger training, knowing how to use a knife, and training and experience that led her to be a Dalish spy...Leliana, she could tell, was beyond this. And hard to read initially.

 

But, in the end,  she became close with Leliana. I see her also closest to Dorian, Cassandra, Cole, and of course, Solas. 

 

She cared about Cullen, and considered him a friend, but not like them.


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Yeah, about Cullen, I still semi dissociate him in DAI from past Cullen, even though I know it's one person's life over time. I don't think the changes were wholly unrealistic, but I didn't like Cullen before DAI, and here, I did. It's admirable that he wants to help and to change, but he's that guy who wanted to kill all the mages.

 

Yeah, I kind of split the Cullens apart in my head too.  I think Brienne Battye did a great job considering where the character was in DA2 and what he had to be for DA:I, but since we never get to see what happened in those three years after Meredith's demise, it's hard for me to connect the two versions of him.

 

DA:I Cullen is a lot like my Lavellan's older cousin in personality.  He presents a professional and somewhat intimidating facade, but he's just a big adorkable softie who loves animals and sucks at cards.  Once my Lavellan realizes that (which takes her a while, probably the chess game at Skyhold), she really warms to Cullen.  He's basically replacement big bro.


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All valid points, but would they be seen that way in universe? It struck me as weird that nobody really brings it up. Kirkwall, while not such a big deal compared to the sky falling apart, was a huge issue for the chantry, the mages, and the templar order. None of these groups sees fit to question him(unless I'm forgetting something). You can ask Varric about it, Alistair/Loghain/Stroud can say nasty things to Hawke about it, but Cullen is left out of the allegations. He was there, and a major player as Meridith's second in command. He saw the descent into madness by way of red lyrium first hand. Why aren't we asking him about these things? 
 
As a character arc I can see what they're doing and it works well enough, but as a coherent story it nags at me. It's like they're trying to keep him safe from the nastier accusations and frankly they short change him in doing so, because this is Dragon Age and nobody is safe. I liked that they had the guts to let him be destroyed by lyrium addiction in Trespasser, it finally felt like he wasn't completely fabricated from the remains of a truncated character forever being rewritten.
 
Maybe I'm just too much of a cynical old bag.


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All valid points, but would they be seen that way in universe? It struck me as weird that nobody really brings it up. Kirkwall, while not such a big deal compared to the sky falling apart, was a huge issue for the chantry, the mages, and the templar order. None of these groups sees fit to question him(unless I'm forgetting something). You can ask Varric about it, Alistair/Loghain/Stroud can say nasty things to Hawke about it, but Cullen is left out of the allegations. He was there, and a major player as Meridith's second in command. He saw the descent into madness by way of red lyrium first hand. Why aren't we asking him about these things? 
 
As a character arc I can see what they're doing and it works well enough, but as a coherent story it nags at me. It's like they're trying to keep him safe from the nastier accusations and frankly they short change him in doing so, because this is Dragon Age and nobody is safe. I liked that they had the guts to let him be destroyed by lyrium addiction in Trespasser, it finally felt like he wasn't completely fabricated from the remains of a truncated character forever being rewritten.
 
Maybe I'm just too much of a cynical old bag.

I see Cullen as being harder on himself than anyone else. He doesn't feel worthy, and I think this shows in both friendship and romantic conversations. I see a man that is working harder than anyone else to make up for the mistakes he made in the past. Look at how he handles Roderick. He's not only lost faith in the Templars because of Meredith, but the Chantry for their own mistreatment of mages and templars. He sees the Inquisition as a way to fix all of it, and hopefully fix himself along the way. There are a number of comments that he makes about being ashamed of the mane he has become. (He still sees himself as this man.) As for the blame in Kirkwall, DA is all about second chances. He did the right thing in the end. He opposed his commander and prevented her from harming more innocents due to her madness. He doesn't know Red Lyrium is behind any of it until the end, I don't see him as blinded by duty in the last year, but I admit I've only completed one play through. I really hate fighting the Arishok and I've only gotten past this point once. :lol:

 

Even Cassandra is willing to put aside any consequences for Hawke's role in the events in Kirkwall, even if they spent their time helping mages free themselves from the Chantry, and it was his actions against Meredith and attempting to restore order that drew her attention. She's willing to give him a chance to do something good rather than condemn him for his mistakes.


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This is what I should have posted here first:

 

THANKS OP FOR THE AWESOME OP!  I do appreciate the effort it takes to keep the OP updated and they are very helpful indeed.

 

Cheers!


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Oh my god.

 

https://twitter.com/...260229563940864

 

This sequence of tweets.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Patrick Weekes, magical girl.

 

Nothing to do with the tweets but I love that Weekes has used a poppy icon today.  I wasn't aware Americans even knew that Remembrance Day was a thing.

 

I'm still resentful of all those nasty things he said and let happen in the previous games. You can't fool me, Mr slick hair, you flip flop around like a pool noodle!

 

Truth.

 

I like Cullen and his tramua and PTSD explain his actions, but they do not excuse them.


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I love the random person in the background the Crestwood scene.  Is that Jim?

Of course it is. Who else could it be? He's just dressed up as a random woman with a hat.
Funnily enough I selected the "Crestwood look-alike waterfall place" when it was empty. Started with the interactions and when they were kissing, a random kid with black nerdy glasses came and stood right next to them in that corner, and he wouldn't leave. I had to do Rude Introduction>Go away to shoo him. I suspect it was Jim too. After that, he changed into a woman's disguise and just silently stood in the distance, spying us.
 

 

Hi.  New Solas fan here.  Congratulations to Bioware for creating such an intriguing (and hot!) character. 

 

I love reading this thread  and glad I found it.  I love all the in depth Solas discussions.  I also enjoy swimming in the shallow end of the pool from time to time.   :)  I'm still on page 1242!   It's quite funny how for several pages you have these wall of text of intelligent discussion about Solas's motivations and then on the next few pages it will be all about his butt.  Haha.

 

 Welcome to the hellspiral :D Yeah, as others have said we like to discuss the egg in all its facades: raw, boiled, scrambled, etc etc... :P


For what regards Cullen, I am proud of my Commander for learning to change the way he did <3 And yeah, his "friendzone" breakup is the most evil thing an Inquisitor can do imho XD


Anyway yesterday a question came to my mind and I want to ask if anyone knows.
I was thinking how commendable it is that after 2 years of complete silence Lavellan still loves Solas. I was trying to put myself in her shoes and 2 years is a really long time. I don't know if I could do that.. I did it when I was 18 but I was young back then. (But then again she is also young..). Now I feel like I'm older and I've no time for regrets! 

Aanyway the question is: you know when Viddasala tells you the truth about Solas.. When I was with my Lavellan I picked the  <3 reply "I have to save him!", and both Cassandra and Dorian disapproved, while Cole greatly approved. When I was with my Trev and same party, I picked the "Solas is our friend, no matter what we have to help him!", then everyone approved. Why the difference? It kinda seems like they disapprove of the fact that I still love him!

Which also makes me think.. If you don't select the  <3 reply, do you still get to say "Ma ghilana, Vhenan" ? Cause Lavellan is the first of the two to use an endearing term so that he knows you still love him. If you don't pick the heart, does she still say it? If not, would he still have kissed you after?
I can't check cause my save is before the Eluvian and cba redoing the dragon just to see that. :P


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Of course it is. Who else could it be? He's just dressed up as a random woman with a hat.
Funnily enough I selected the "Crestwood look-alike waterfall place" when it was empty. Started with the interactions and when they were kissing, a random kid with black nerdy glasses came and stood right next to them in that corner, and he wouldn't leave. I had to do Rude Introduction>Go away to shoo him. I suspect it was Jim too. After that, he changed into a woman's disguise and just silently stood in the distance, spying us.

 

Aha! Now I remember who planted the idea in my head to make Inquisition in Sims!

I worked like... Hours.. On creating the characters, now I'm basing their relationships (I got Cole, Solas, Sera, Inky, Vivienne and Dorian and I can't even, there's too much stuff going on at the same time when you have so many of them) and then I'll build Skyhold (using cheat money) and then I'll stop playing forever (because I'm not a very patient person and Sims requires patience).



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Aha! Now I remember who planted the idea in my head to make Inquisition in Sims!

I worked like... Hours.. On creating the characters, now I'm basing their relationships (I got Cole, Solas, Sera, Inky, Vivienne and Dorian and I can't even, there's too much stuff going on at the same time when you have so many of them) and then I'll build Skyhold (using cheat money) and then I'll stop playing forever (because I'm not a very patient person and Sims requires patience).

Ha! At the moment I only did Solavellan. I also don't like too big households cause it's too messy to take care of them. I am not happy about the fact that Lavellan decided to have a triplet. Wtf? Only 1 kid would have been ok! As bad as it sounds, I think I will age up the kids and send them away to live in another house XD  :rolleyes:  :whistle: 

When I'm bored with Solavellan I'll move to make a nice Hawke, since there is a pretty good Fenris I've downloaded :D So I can make those too :P

And then who knows.. maybe HoF/Alistair or Trev/Cullen.. :P :P



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Mini art break.

 

Solas and Lavellan acting all sweet.

 

Solas listening to Lavellan play the pan flute.

 

Adorable artwork of Solas and Lavellan.


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It.. is done. After 33 hours in the last three days, I present Abelas in all his Elvhen'hanin.
 
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Am I still alive? Maker, it was a test of patience. I even brought out the mulled wine AND mead towards the end.

 

It feels weird that I'm finally getting to post this, now I can shutup about it :lol:.


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You are a better gamer than I. I've foolishly gone into every game I've played since Knights of the Old Republic looking for Bioware style goodness and walking away terribly disappointed. People have pointed me at Japanese RPGs and Bethesda, and it just doesn't work for me. I've only enjoyed a handful of non-Bioware games: Beyond Good and Evil, Red Dead Redemption, LA Noire, and the Fable series. I'm so much fun.

 

Have you been introduced to our lord and savior Adam Jensen?

 

Also, I hear New Vegas is great, but it single handedly fried my laptop :D   

 

Lol, it was Fallout 3 that fried my laptop :D it's a good thing I have a desktop computer now, FO4 couldn't possibly fry that, could it?



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Nothing to do with the tweets but I love that Weekes has used a poppy icon today.  I wasn't aware Americans even knew that Remembrance Day was a thing.

 

 

 

Nov. 11th is Veteran's Day in the U.S. and a lot of people wear/display poppies as a way of honoring our veterans.  Although technically you're supposed to wear them on Memorial Day which is in May.


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Okay, can we just take a minute to talk about this. Or don't talk. Everyone just stare at that perfect smirk.

 

GD Solas.

 

source

 

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It.. is done. After 33 hours in the last three days, I present Abelas in all his Elvhen'hanin.
 
22318541874_e20cdb0990_k.jpg

 

Am I still alive? Maker, it was a test of patience. I even brought out the mulled wine AND mead towards the end.

 

It feels weird that I'm finally getting to post this, now I can shutup about it :lol:.

It is a beautiful thing! I love it! :wub:


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It is a beautiful thing! I love it! :wub:

 

Yas :). The slight smirk was accidental.. honestly :P.