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When Solas was talking about Spirits back in Haven, his explanations about why spirits are people too are so passionate but intelligent.  My Adaar was skeptical so I got some slight disapprovals but he was really good at convincing me to change my views on spirits.  Until this point, I've always viewed the spirits as lesser because they are so easily swayed by mortals and can turn into demons quite easily.  This was my defence but Solas countered this quite logically.  I was humbled.  Not Adaar.  But me IRL.  I didn't realise I was being a speciest.  I just thought that if there were sentient beings IRL similar to Cole, I shouldn't think that they are lesser than humans. 

 

This is why when Cole's personal quest came up, it was very easy for me to choose to make him even more of a Spirit.  Plus, I think Thedas needs more Spirits of Compassion rather than another human.

 

Did Solas have this kind of impact on you?  Has he made you reconsider your world view IRL?

 

 

Not exactly.  I've always been of the opinion that sentience is a spectrum, and anything (human, AI, alien, etc.) that is self-aware can be considered a person.  But like you, I was very surprised by the depth of conversation with my Adaar, who disagreed with Solas about spirits and blood magic.  I feel like that's a side of him that the game doesn't show very often.  

 

We joke about Solas approving when Lavellan breathes, or disapproving of everything than an Assquisitor does, but a thoughtful Inquisitor who respectfully disagrees with him produces some really thought-provoking conversation.   Unlike some other companions, he's perfectly happy to debate with you, and I think that says a lot about who he is as a person.  The slight approval hits are IMO nothing compared to some of the massive ones you can take with other companions.  Remember arguing about mages with Anders and Fenris?  <_<


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Okay, I might actually need to finish the Mass Effect series just to keep up with some of these thread discussions.  :wacko:

 

Urdnot Wrex is the most beauteous krogan bro a Shepard could ask for  :wub:


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*searches for some interesting wall lamps to decorate room with*

http://www.domrustyk...3-k-1216-1277-p

 

LOL :lol:


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Wrex is also around a thousand years old, so Solas can't talk down to him. He's not a newborn gremlin messing up Solas' plans, he's a hardened old warrior who has seen plans 'for the good of the galaxy' go really wrong. Also I suspect Solas would be surprised by how thoughtful Wrex is, despite being totally adept at headbutting. He's not some idiot brute who just wants to hit things, he's got spies in the STG for goodness sake. 

 

Wrex for DA4. Make it happen Bioware, it's not like you don't own the rights to him.

 

Yes, my thoughts exactly. I mean, on the one hand - I think Solas would be immediately a little put off by all the glorification of violence that the Krogan do - this is the race that's supposedly more savage than the Qunari - but quickly realise that his initial impressions were wrong, Wrex is very canny and intelligent under all the bluster (or perhaps that's part of it). He'd respect their martial skill and Wrex's dedication to reform. I think Solas would also have to acknowledge that unlike the qunari - who he probably knows the origins of - the Krogan are this massive unknown to him, he can't guess what they're all like from a few superficial impressions. He's in the dark for once, and that'd be exciting to see.

 

Also, Solas, Wrex, and Blackwall would be the ultimately grumpy old man squad. Solas, Wrex, and Varric would just take the p*ss out of how weird humans are. Wrex, Iron Bull, and Sera would be the ultimate 'lol, violence' squad. He makes for some excellent combinations.

 

Also, I think given that Wrex would technically be a mage-warrior hybrid would make for some seriously fun gameplay too.



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Urdnot Wrex is the most beauteous krogan bro a Shepard could ask for  :wub:

 

Honestly, Wrex is half the reason I play paragon playthroughs. He calls you a true brother/sister. He's the damn best.

 

I mean, I can save Mordin if I go full renegade, which is a plus, but I think it takes half the tension out of that final arc. Also, I miss Wrex's reappearance in Citadel if I do that.



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Not exactly.  I've always been of the opinion that sentience is a spectrum, and anything (human, AI, alien, etc.) that is self-aware can be considered a person.  But like you, I was very surprised by the depth of conversation with my Adaar, who disagreed with Solas about spirits and blood magic.  I feel like that's a side of him that the game doesn't show very often.  

 

We joke about Solas approving when Lavellan breathes, or disapproving of everything than an Assquisitor does, but a thoughtful Inquisitor who respectfully disagrees with him produces some really thought-provoking conversation.   Unlike some other companions, he's perfectly happy to debate with you, and I think that says a lot about who he is as a person.  The slight approval hits are IMO nothing compared to some of the massive ones you can take with other companions.  Remember arguing about mages with Anders and Fenris?  <_<

 

Well, what's more he'll oftentimes disapprove more if people just don't want to talk with him - he'd rather that people argue rather than just shut themselves to the discussion.

 

He's not different from Josie, who herself says that all negotiations and attempts to reach compromise fail when people stop talking with one another (an observation she shares with us after Redcliffe/Thierinfal).



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*searches for some interesting wall lamps to decorate room with*

http://www.domrustyk...3-k-1216-1277-p

 

LOL :lol:

 

 

This is one of the first DA related things I found when image searching Shems

 

http://kiwi-xeet.tum...s-in-our-temple

 

:lol:


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Also, Solas, Wrex, and Blackwall would be the ultimately grumpy old man squad. Solas, Wrex, and Varric would just take the ****** out of how weird humans are. Wrex, Iron Bull, and Sera would be the ultimate 'lol, violence' squad. He makes for some excellent combinations.

 

Bakara too  :wub: If anyone can talk some sense into stupid apocalypse boyfriend, she can.  This is the woman who never succumbed to despair.  Not when her children died, not when she had to dig herself out of a pitch-black cave, not when the Reapers showed up and threatened galactic annihilation.  Over and over she stared down the death of her people, physical and spiritual, and told it to f*** right off.

 

 

Honestly, Wrex is half the reason I play paragon playthroughs. He calls you a true brother/sister. He's the damn best.

 

I mean, I can save Mordin if I go full renegade, which is a plus, but I think it takes half the tension out of that final arc. Also, I miss Wrex's reappearance in Citadel if I do that.

 

I love Mordin, but I have to save Wrex even with my Renegade Shep.  He's just too much win.


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Just catching up with stuff.. :P

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Someone figured out how to start Fallout 4 with lesbians: https://twitter.com/...632862214328320

 

I am actually semi reviewing the DAI timeline and seeing how I might plan out my regrettably dormant Leliana/f!Cousland epistolary fic and bring it back to life. It's finite, set in the background of DAI through Trespasser, and short, so you think this should be easier to pick back up.



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All this talk about moons, I just want to say I think one of the moons is made of lyrium since Mythal made it from the "glowing earth", which was after the sun burnt the earth and was thrown in the void.

 

Also I wanted to post this screenshot I took:

 

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At what point in the game does the vallaslin removal cutscene become available?

I'm asking because it should be rather weird to have characters like Abelas, Flemeth and Inquisitor Ameridan notice that a bare faced elf is Dalish.

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At what point in the game does the vallaslin removal cutscene become available?

I'm asking because it should be rather weird to have characters like Abelas, Flemeth and Inquisitor Ameridan notice that a bare faced elf is Dalish.

 

After the Temple of Mythal, before the final battle.



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At what point in the game does the vallaslin removal cutscene become available?

I'm asking because it should be rather weird to have characters like Abelas, Flemeth and Inquisitor Ameridan notice that a bare faced elf is Dalish.

 

After the Temple of Mythal. We see Abelas before it's removed and Flemeth is only after you've talked to Solas first.

I don't know if it would register or if they would care since city elves are a thing. It isn't like the inquisitor runs around saying "I'm Dalish!" Or...maybe some do.



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After the Temple of Mythal.


Near the very end, then. That's perfect.

Well Flemeth has to be after the Temple of Mythal and we see Abelas before it's removed.
I don't know if it would register or if they would care since city elves are a thing. It isn't like the inquisitor runs around saying "I'm Dalish!" Or...maybe some do.


Well, Inky wouldn't need to do that. Most characters instantly know just by looking.

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Sorry I kept editing my post after realizing that I was wrong. ^^; But yeah, that's true. I don't see anyone except maybe Flemeth realizing the significance of it though.

Cass, Josie, and Sera are the only ones to say anything about it.



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Oh and also if the Inquisitor calls on Mythal, and Solas is with them, he recites the last part by saying "cry havoc in the moonlight". The wolf statues nearby look as though they're howling at the moon.


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Uh, I just realized something about JoH moon.

 

It's OUR moon.

 

See? It's pretty much the same image, only flipped.

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What the hell moon? What are you doing, shining over Thedas?  Is this where you disappear to when there's new moon?


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Party banter heard just now in my completionist Lavellan playthru:

 

  • Solas: I heard you in the training yard this morning.
  • Blackwall: Oh. (Sighs.) I was running new recruits through some drills. Should I be quieter next time?
  • Solas: No, no... It's fine. Children don't learn unless you shout at them.

Another evidence of a Solas burn.  I do love his burns.  They are just so... Solas. 


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Ameridan dialogue chart: https://i.imgur.com/xkHXJOF.jpg(originally posted to Reddit /r/dragonage

 

if you're an elf, he just says "our people".

 

I did JoH pre-end but post-temple, so no vallaslin.


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Sure.

Also "the ones living in the forest? shadows wearing vallaslin?"

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After the Temple of Mythal. We see Abelas before it's removed and Flemeth is only after you've talked to Solas first.

I don't know if it would register or if they would care since city elves are a thing. It isn't like the inquisitor runs around saying "I'm Dalish!" Or...maybe some do.

 

Nah, you can do the Flemeth quest with vallaslin. I did. Then I talked to Solas - scene triggered as usual.


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Finished my first Solavellan request for MidnightTea! :3

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How'd I do on the white hair???


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So, you can only meet Abelas with vallaslin (which makes his potential comment "shadows wearing vallaslin" appropriate), and it's optional to meet Ameridan and Flemeth with or without vallaslin, depending on when you trigger the quests.

 

As far as I know though, only three characters will really comment if you remove the vallaslin: Josephine, Sera, and Cole. The first two will comment if you got to talk to them in Skyhold after the vallaslin is removed. They'll be surprised to see you bare-faced, ask what happened, then you can decide whether you want to tell them or not. (Sera, being Sera, isn't exactly brimming with sympathy or understanding if you tell her.) If you bring Cole with you wandering around, some party banter can potentially trigger where he tries to convinced Solas to get back together with you and comment "She is bare-faced, embarrassed" or (if you didn't remove the vallaslin), "She feels her face, marked, marred without malice."

 

Apart from that, I don't think anyone comments unless/until Trespasser. (I wouldn't know, I never removed my vallaslin.  :? )


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Anyone knows how long it takes Bioware to release official soundtracks? I got a new set of earphones and the youtube quality just isn't cutting it. I really want to listen to the Dread Wolf theme on spotify. =(


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