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Hmm. He's gained some depth lately. And yes, he certainly has potential. Although I swear, if this story ends with Lavellan becoming "The new Dread Wolf" or something, I'm leaving. That's probably the one thing that could make me give up before it's finished.

 

Still... at least she's improved a lot from her Solas in Dread Wolf's Heart.

 

 

If I had stumbled upon completely of my own accord, maybe I'd agree. But with as much popularity as LG has seen, I came in expecting a bit more than average fanfic quality - and it's not as though I'm telling any of this to Feynite herself.

 

I guess I just don't understand. It is obviously above average fanfic quality. Sometimes I think the things you want actually makes the story worse. I think Lavellan's reactions to the world are very natural even if it's not always wise or logical. If she were like that then people would complain about how she's a Mary Sue. Also, it's pretty natural for her to gravitate towards those who share her viewpoint and avoid those who don't. Maybe from a third person perspective the story may seem more balanced, but this is from her perspective so it makes sense.


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As I guessed, it seems the Jade Empire thing may be fixed and available starting tomorrow. I think it got halfway flagged today by mistake. Flagged as free but not letting anyone download it. So try and check then if interested.

 

Feels rogue saves the day <3



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Uh, I'm getting all wall-of-text'y, so it'll likely be last response this long, simply to not clutter the thread, even if under spoiler - besides I'm not sure I have anything else to add...

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Thanks for the eloquent write up. It's all the things I was thinking of, but was too lazy to spell out.


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I think a lot of writers (including myself) know that no matter what they do, someone is going to be judging the choices they make in their writing and find them wanting.

 

For me, Feynite's fanfiction lives in that lovely space where worldbuilding and an incomplete saga intersect, and it is absolute catnip for me as a reader and a writer to watch unfold (I haven't really gone too far out on the worldbuilding limb, yet, myself - it is hard, hard work!).

 

I agree with Patrick, if you create what you love, you'll find an audience who get you, and the direction you're taking your efforts. Feynite has found hers, but clearly all aspects of the work are not going appeal to everyone - and that's okay.


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It's fanfic. I think that amount of criticism and dissecting is a little bit over the top. :) But that's my opinion.

 

If it were Hemingway we're talking about, yeah, ok.

But... fanfiction.

People write that in free time, for no money, as a product of love (or as hobby or whatever)

 

If someone came to me when I sell my afghans and started to point out how he hates this or that in the pattern, I'd just (un)kindly send him his way. He ain't needing to buy it if he doesn't like it.

 

It is, of course, entirely different if Feynite asked for constructive criticism. 


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All of this talk of feels in the cooking reminds me of this novel/film:

 

Can't be unseen.  :D



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Hmm. He's gained some depth lately. And yes, he certainly has potential. Although I swear, if this story ends with Lavellan becoming "The new Dread Wolf" or something, I'm leaving. That's probably the one thing that could make me give up before it's finished.

 

Still... at least she's improved a lot from her Solas in Dread Wolf's Heart.

 

 

If I had stumbled upon completely of my own accord, maybe I'd agree. But with as much popularity as LG has seen, I came in expecting a bit more than average fanfic quality - and it's not as though I'm telling any of this to Feynite herself.

 

It's fanfic. I think that amount of criticism and dissecting is a little bit over the top. :) But that's my opinion.

 

If it were Hemingway we're talking about, yeah, ok.

But... fanfiction.

People write that in free time, for no money, as a product of love (or as hobby or whatever)

 

If someone came to me when I sell my afghans and started to point out how he hates this or that in the pattern, I'd just (in)kindly send him his way. He ain't needing to buy it if he doesn't like it.

 

It is, of course, entirely different if Feynite asked for constructive criticism. 

Also, coming into a thread that you know is full of writers who admire another writer's talent, only to complain about their skill, yet avoiding mentioning your feelings on the work of other writers who are right there with you in the thread, it is kind of tacky.


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Apologies for interjecting with something slightly off topic, but I've a question for all you Solavellan writers: do you try to consistently write some of Solas' dialogue in iambic pentameter?

I personally have trouble with it, and it makes me feel a bit bad because I don't know if I'm doing his character(ization) justice by not throwing some IB in there, but, well... :/
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Cee kept photobombing my screenshots:

 

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*goat noise*


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Apologies for interjecting with something slightly off topic, but I've a question for all you Solavellan writers: do you try to consistently write some of Solas' dialogue in iambic pentameter?

I personally have trouble with it, and it makes me feel a bit bad because I don't know if I'm doing his character justice by not throwing some IB in there, but, well... :/

he doesn't always speak in iambic pentameter. frankly i try to match the dialogue in game (you can listen to it on youtube) and ignore iambic pentameter altogether


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Now I'm forever the goat lady. :lol:


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Apologies for interjecting with something slightly off topic, but I've a question for all you Solavellan writers: do you try to consistently write some of Solas' dialogue in iambic pentameter?

I personally have trouble with it, and it makes me feel a bit bad because I don't know if I'm doing his character justice by not throwing some IB in there, but, well... :/

I don't think it's necessary.  As long as you generally avoid contractions and keep in mind he tends to speak very carefully and concisely, with an awareness of the multiple meanings of his words, you should do just fine.


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Also, coming into a thread that you know is full of writers who admire another writer's talent, only to complain about their skill, yet avoiding mentioning your feelings on the work of other writers who are right there with you in the thread, it is kind of tacky.

Nah, I don't mind - most of us write for specific audience (or no one in particular but for ourselves to get it out of the system). I just thought that yeah, the criticism was thought out and very in-depth, but it is kinda a waste and little odd if Feynite isn't on the receiving end of it, especially if she didn't ask.

I don't mean to shrug off a well-meaning critique.

I just...well...I hope you understand what I meant. It is fanfiction.  :D 

 

But by all means, I don't mind the discussion. It is interesting to see how people may react and actually grow to have a relationship with a fanfic, even if it is not entirely positive.

 

Apologies for interjecting with something slightly off topic, but I've a question for all you Solavellan writers: do you try to consistently write some of Solas' dialogue in iambic pentameter?

I personally have trouble with it, and it makes me feel a bit bad because I don't know if I'm doing his character justice by not throwing some IB in there, but, well... :/

Nope. If it comes out in it, I feel happy. If not, well. He is not a walking sonet :P


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It's fanfic. I think that amount of criticism and dissecting is a little bit over the top.  :) But that's my opinion.

 

If it were Hemingway we're talking about, yeah, ok.

But... fanfiction.

People write that in free time, for no money, as a product of love (or as hobby or whatever)

 

If someone came to me when I sell my afghans and started to point out how he hates this or that in the pattern, I'd just (un)kindly send him his way. He ain't needing to buy it if he doesn't like it.

 

It is, of course, entirely different if Feynite asked for constructive criticism. 

 

This is pretty much what I think. Don't know much about LG, but removing that 5% of imperfections of any creative work takes 95% of the time - time that can only be spent if one is getting paid for it, has a team behind them, etc. It's unrealistic to expect something perfect. 

 

Fanfic writers get nothing but little tokens of support for the work they put in. So if 95% something entertains you, I think it's best to 1) offer support or 2) offer feedback on the other 5% if the writer indicated that they wish to learn. If the other 5% is just too much to put up with, well, there are thousands of hits with the Solavellan tag!

 

 

Also, coming into a thread that you know is full of writers who admire another writer's talent, only to complain about their skill, yet avoiding mentioning your feelings on the work of other writers who are right there with you in the thread, it is kind of tacky.

 

My philosophy when it comes to writing is, "If this hurts, clearly my skin is not as thick as it should be yet. Better read this hurtful thing a couple times more." But just wanted to say it's very kind of you to stick up for our gang of gremlins. <3


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Now I'm forever the goat lady. :lol:

Goats are great! My kid would be the first one to tell you - he loves Goat Simulator, and visiting the goats over at the nature park down the street.



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Apologies for interjecting with something slightly off topic, but I've a question for all you Solavellan writers: do you try to consistently write some of Solas' dialogue in iambic pentameter?

I personally have trouble with it, and it makes me feel a bit bad because I don't know if I'm doing his character justice by not throwing some IB in there, but, well... :/

I try to use words and phrases that most people don't use. Solas is very formal with his speech, educated. He uses words like presumably, precise, and rarely uses contractions unless flustered or upset.

 

I suppose it is easier for me to write Solas, considering I use similar words. Most people look at me strangely during conversations because I use words most do not. My daughter is constantly asking me to define words, and will say well why not use that word instead? Really mom you are so weird!


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Now I'm forever the goat lady. :lol:

 

Goats are great! My kid would be the first one to tell you - he loves Goat Simulator, and visiting the goats over at the nature park down the street.

 

You simply have to make the photobomber The Thing.

https://www.flickr.c...57658622460608/ :D

 

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Apologies for interjecting with something slightly off topic, but I've a question for all you Solavellan writers: do you try to consistently write some of Solas' dialogue in iambic pentameter?

I personally have trouble with it, and it makes me feel a bit bad because I don't know if I'm doing his character(ization) justice by not throwing some IB in there, but, well... :/

 

I wouldn't worry about it. When I read Solas in other people's fics, it's most important to me what he says, how he acts, and avoiding speech patterns that clearly contradict his own, such as contractions, non-elven swear words, slang. 


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It's fanfic. I think that amount of criticism and dissecting is a little bit over the top. :) But that's my opinion.

 

If it were Hemingway we're talking about, yeah, ok.

But... fanfiction.

People write that in free time, for no money, as a product of love (or as hobby or whatever)

 

If someone came to me when I sell my afghans and started to point out how he hates this or that in the pattern, I'd just (un)kindly send him his way. He ain't needing to buy it if he doesn't like it.

 

It is, of course, entirely different if Feynite asked for constructive criticism. 

 

But I'm... not telling any of this to Feynite? She doesn't want to see it. That's fine. I won't tell it to her.

 

So I'm... pretty confused by this...

 

 

Also, coming into a thread that you know is full of writers who admire another writer's talent, only to complain about their skill, yet avoiding mentioning your feelings on the work of other writers who are right there with you in the thread, it is kind of tacky.

 

:huh:  How so? I'm not commenting on the quality of anyone's writing but Feynite's, and even then, I'm trying to be fair and acknowledge what she does well (Which is quite a bit). May I only voice my criticism in a forum dedicated to it? The only one available is the comment section on LG itself, and Feynite doesn't want to see any in-depth criticism there. I'm trying to respect that.

 

If you'd like to take it to PM, then we can.

 

It seems I'm being assigned a sense of vitriol I don't really possess. I'm debating because I enjoy it. It's fun. I'm sorry if anyone here thinks it's a wasted effort and I'm getting caught up on the negative, but I just... truly enjoy discussion...



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Nah, I don't mind - most of us write for specific audience (or no one in particular but for ourselves to get it out of the system). I just thought that yeah, the criticism was thought out and very in-depth, but it is kinda a waste and little odd if Feynite isn't on the receiving end of it, especially if she didn't ask.

I don't mean to shrug off a well-meaning critique.

I just...well...I hope you understand what I meant. It is fanfiction.  :D 

 

Honestly, at this point it isn't even about that specific fanfiction - as for me, I'm simply fascinated with the fact that I read the same thing and apparently come to many, often starkly different conclusions, be it whether comes to characterization or story or issues with it or whatever. That itself is something interesting to discuss through or ponder about.

 

I mean, LOL, given that people can have such different reads on a fanfiction about Solas/Solavellan, especially with such prolific author that's eager to explain thing over tumblr, is there even any wonder people can have such differing opinions on Solas himself? (and that's even with probably less material to work with, given constrains of the medium and genre) :D


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But I'm... not telling any of this to Feynite? She doesn't want to see it. That's fine. I won't tell it to her.

 

So I'm... pretty confused by this...

 

 

Forget it. Continue on :)

 

I suppose if you want to, you can keep it here, I don't think anyone minds. There's also the writer's corner, although there's not much audience for that ;)



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Goats are great! My kid would be the first one to tell you - he loves Goat Simulator, and visiting the goats over at the nature park down the street.

 

Oh, I love goats but damn...you start writing a sex scene next to some dead goats and then suddenly people start associating you with goats. <_<

 

And then I posted a picture of tiny me petting a baby goat butt.

 

 

At least I moved the girls away from the dead goats in editing.  :P


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But I'm... not telling any of this to Feynite? She doesn't want to see it. That's fine. I won't tell it to her.

 

So I'm... pretty confused by this...

 

 

 

:huh:  How so? I'm not commenting on the quality of anyone's writing but Feynite's, and even then, I'm trying to be fair and acknowledge what she does well (Which is quite a bit). May I only voice my criticism in a forum dedicated to it? The only one available is the comment section on LG itself, and Feynite doesn't want to see any in-depth criticism there. I'm trying to respect that.

 

If you'd like to take it to PM, then we can.

 

It seems I'm being assigned a sense of vitriol I don't really possess. I'm debating because I enjoy it. It's fun. I'm sorry if anyone here thinks it's a wasted effort and I'm getting caught up on the negative, but I just... truly enjoy discussion...

You don't come off vitriolic to me. I was simply baffled by the amount of energy you put in the discussion, that is all. :)

 

Now if you excuse me, I have long chapter to chop through :P



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Okay, here goes, I'm putting myself out there. As a new fanfic writer, when I see these kinds of critiques on work that is far better than my own it is rather intimidating. If her work can't hold against the criticism then why should I bother?



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I try to use words and phrases that most people don't use. Solas is very formal with his speech, educated. He uses words like presumably, precise, and rarely uses contractions unless flustered or upset.
 
I suppose it is easier for me to write Solas, considering I use similar words. Most people look at me strangely during conversations because I use words most do not. My daughter is constantly asking me to define words, and will say well why not use that word instead? Really mom you are so weird!


Hahaha I know that feeling well. A few friends ask me the same questions and I'm like... "Because... it is the best word to come to mind that described the present situation?" Thanks for this comment, it helped put things into perspective.

Thanks for all the responses everyone! I've been reading more poetry lately and also thinking about Solas, so naturally my minds drifts to his wondrous usage of iambic pentameter.
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