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[Sable Rhapsody]

Somehow those nose freckles are even cuter on lady!Solas 

[fangs4fun]

Woo!  I'm past page 2000!  Lots of awesome theorycrafting about lyrium and Titans.  I wonder how many got it right, eh?  

 

I do find some theories very amusing. Like Solas is not only Fen'harel but could also possibly be Dirthamen and Falondin and Shartan and the Maker.  Jeez.  

 

Also, it think it is really reaching to say the Sera is Andruil.  Sera is simply someone who has latent magical abilities and in complete and total denial about that fact.

 

I believe Solas when he said the Evanuris are locked away somewhere and that only he and a spark of Mythal's spirit are free. 

[dawnstone]

 

 

 

 

I do find some theories very amusing. Like Solas is not only Fen'harel but could also possibly be Dirthamen and Falondin and Shartan and the Maker.  Jeez.  

 

That reminds me, I haven't seen madrar around in a while. I wonder what they thought of Trespasser and how that all shook out next to their theories.

[fangs4fun]

Hope madrar comes back.  I may not agree with the theories but I do enjoy reading them! 

[midnight tea]

Well SOME relatively popular theories (not necessarily madrar's specifically, I'm speaking in general) can certainly put to rest, or at least need a veeery serious revision.

 

Sera as Andruil? (in fact any other follower being secretly and unknowingly an ancient Elvhen god) - nope

 

Solas as servant of Dirthamen? - given that Trespasser reveals Solas's strong associations with Mythal - nope

 

Solas as Dirhament/Falon'Din - nyooope

 

Solas as someone who turned to (presumably) dragon and was judged by Mythal, according to one of codexes found in ToM - nope

 

Old Gods = Elvhen Gods - while we may not believe Solas when he says that Evanuris are banished forever, he's pretty certain they're all still locked away, so old Gods can't really be Elvhen gods, can they? Besides, he'd probably mention that only 2 are left or something, considering that only 2 future Archdemons are left...

[Raeona]

Woo!  I'm past page 2000!  Lots of awesome theorycrafting about lyrium and Titans.  I wonder how many got it right, eh?  

 

I do find some theories very amusing. Like Solas is not only Fen'harel but could also possibly be Dirthamen and Falondin and Shartan and the Maker.  Jeez.  

 

Also, it think it is really reaching to say the Sera is Andruil.  Sera is simply someone who has latent magical abilities and in complete and total denial about that fact.

 

I believe Solas when he said the Evanuris are locked away somewhere and that only he and a spark of Mythal's spirit are free. 

 

Ah yes, the good old 'everyone is everyone else' theories. Supposedly Flemeth is Dumat, is Andraste, is Tyrdda Bright Axe. Is there a single character left who hasn't been accused of being an ancient diety of some kind? 

[midnight tea]

Ah yes, the good old 'everyone is everyone else' theories. Supposedly Flemeth is Dumat, is Andraste, is Tyrdda Bright Axe. Is there a single character left who hasn't been accused of being an ancient diety of some kind? 

 

Seggrit? XD

[dawnstone]

Ah yes, the good old 'everyone is everyone else' theories. Supposedly Flemeth is Dumat, is Andraste, is Tyrdda Bright Axe. Is there a single character left who hasn't been accused of being an ancient diety of some kind? 

I still think there's a chance that Dumat might have had a piece of Mythal stored inside of him, which was freed when he was slain, but it's obviously just speculation.

[Raeona]

Old Gods = Elvhen Gods - while we may not believe Solas when he says that Evanuris are banished forever, he's pretty certain they're all still locked away, so old Gods can't really be Elvhen gods, can they? Besides, he'd probably mention that only 2 are left or something, considering that only 2 future Archdemons are left...

 

Which is a shame because I loved that theory. No Twin Souls Double Blight for me

 

 

Seggrit? XD

 

Is Abelas in disguise. After Haven he sprinted back to the Arbor Wilds and pretended he'd just woken up. And Corf from the Hanged Man is Dirthamen, doing secret gathering old school style, and Bodhan is Elgar'nan, trying to discover the value of friendship. Sandal is just Sandal. 

[midnight tea]

I still think there's a chance that Dumat might have had a piece of Mythal stored inside of him, which was freed when he was slain, but it's obviously just speculation.

 

Well, there's some evidence that he perhaps wanted to supplant her, though considering that he's a chief deity of Tevinter pantheon and Mythal is chief deity of elvhen one (well, technically Elgar'nan is, but come on - WE KNOW WHO'S THE BOSS HERE!) and Tevinter did a lot to supplant elvhen stuff, Dumat pushing Mythal out of the picture is something that probably mostly the fault of Tevinter Imperium.

 

... Though I have to admit - I still have a rather strong inkling that we'll see Dumat sometimes i the future, in one way or another.

 

In fact, isn't it curious that the town of Solas in Tevinter lies so near the Silent Plains (the place where Dumat was slain)? In fact, the dagger Inquisitor has plunged into the map pretty much hits Silent Plains... I wonder if sticking a dagger into that specific location is a bigger HINT than we think it may be.

[Raeona]

Well, there's some evidence that he perhaps wanted to supplant her, though considering that he's a chief deity of Tevinter pantheon and Mythal is chief deity of elvhen one (well, technically Elgar'nan is, but come on - WE KNOW WHO'S THE BOSS HERE!) and Tevinter did a lot to supplant elvhen stuff, Dumat pushing Mythal out of the picture is something that probably mostly the fault of Tevinter Imperium.

 

... Though I have to admit - I still have a rather strong inkling that we'll see Dumat sometimes i the future, in one way or another.

 

In fact, isn't it curious that the town of Solas in Tevinter lies so near the Silent Plains (the place where Dumat was slain)? In fact, the dagger Inquisitor has plunged into the map pretty much hits Silent Plains... I wonder if sticking a dagger into that specific location is a bigger HINT than we think it may be.

 

If nothing else the concept, the god of silence, is awesome. I hope they don't waste it. 

 

But where did the Tevinter gods come from? How old are they? Were they around when Arlathan was at its height, or did they come down from the North with the humans? Were they rivals of the Evanuris, or did they just pick through the remains? Did they walk amidst the ancient Tevinters in human(ish) bodies or are they solely dragons? Are they just crazy powerful mages too, or are they something else entirely? 

 

I haven't played Trespasser btw, but feel free to spoil it to hell and back if these questions have been answered already. 

 

Edit: If Coypheus can take over a Warden's body without a hitch, it's pretty disappointing that the god he worshipped is killed by the same process. Keep up Dumat, the humans are making you look silly. 

[midnight tea]

If nothing else the concept, the god of silence, is awesome. I hope they don't waste it. 

 

Considering how much time DA spends metaphorically describing life and magic as SONG or music - and with SILENCE being opposite of that - I'd be very surprised if they didn't use the god of Silence for something more than the first Archdemon.

 

 

But where did the Tevinter gods come from? How old are they? Were they around when Arlathan was at its height, or did they come down from the North with the humans? Were they rivals of the Evanuris, or did they just pick through the remains? Did they walk amidst the ancient Tevinters in human(ish) bodies or are they solely dragons? Are they just crazy powerful mages too, or are they something else entirely? 

 

Well, Solas tells Cassandra (when she asks what he believes in) that he believes that both Creators and Old Gods of Tevionter existed, even though he wouldn't put them under definition of "gods".

 

That doesn't answer the question of what exactly Old Gods were - were they their own thing, or something that still originated as something associated with elves or Elvenhan? They may not be Evanuris, but we do know that aside from Evanuris there were also Forgotten Ones, who I assume were many of their political rivals or those that they've defeated and eventually got rid of to secure their leadership - perhaps in a similar way they got rid of Forbidden ones, as described by one of codices found in Vir Dirthara: http://dragonage.wik..._Forbidden_Ones or perhaps entombed and imprisoned like the Pride Demon in temple of Solasan.

 

I assume that at least some of those rivals matched them in power at least at one point (seeing that Solas wasn't technically an Evanura yet apparently was as powerful at one point), if not exceeded them. The excerpt from World Of Thedas v. 2 describes underground lairs of Old Gods as prisons after all and those prisons and chains that held them were apparently so wretched even darkspawn were avoiding them after the Archdemon was released...

[FernRain]

Didn't one of the devs say JoH was particularly lore relevant? We got to learn about Razikale, the next archdemon that 'bessed' the waters of Lake Calenhad.

Also about the Old Gods / Evanuris comparison, a post by David Gaider in 2009:

 

Could the Old Gods have been based on the elven gods? Possibly, but there's nothing to suggest the elven gods were ever dragons, and certainly the contempt the Imperium held for elven culture makes it unlikely that they would think elven gods were worth worshipping. Consider also that it was the Old Gods that taught humanity its magic and encouraged them to destroy Arlathan -- why would elven gods do this? One could point to the Forgotten Ones (look at the codex entry on Fen'Harel for their mention) and suggest that they had reason for vengeance, though that would probably be against Fen'Harel and their good brethren and not against the elven people themselves, no? Still, all of that depends on how much of the knowledge given by Dalish tales is complete.

 

I think the Forgotten Ones have more to do with the Old Gods.

[Ellawynn]

If nothing else the concept, the god of silence, is awesome. I hope they don't waste it. 

 

But where did the Tevinter gods come from? How old are they? Were they around when Arlathan was at its height, or did they come down from the North with the humans? Were they rivals of the Evanuris, or did they just pick through the remains? Did they walk amidst the ancient Tevinters in human(ish) bodies or are they solely dragons? Are they just crazy powerful mages too, or are they something else entirely? 

 

 

I've always found the Tevinter pantheon interesting, because from a cultural perspective it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Like, typically cultures end up anthropomorphizing and, in turn, deifying concepts that are natural and vital to their daily lives. The Dalish pantheon, for instance - you got your goddess of the hunt, your goddess of the hearth, your god of crafts. All things that would've been central to a Dalish existence, so it makes sense that they're raised up to godhood.

 

And then there's Tevinter with it's gods of... ehm, mystery? And night? And silence? I guess you could make a case for slaves being important enough to make a god out of them, but it's hard to imagine any society valuing these things over, say, the rain that brings the harvest, or the seas that give them fish. Either the early Tevinters had some extremely screwed up priorities, or the Old Gods had to have existed and have contact with their subjects, allowing them to define themselves without regard for what's important to Tevinter life and society. 

 

Which gives me a delightful image of the Old Gods being the immortal-equivalent of emo teenagers, declaring their domains while trying to prove themselves as the edgiest edge lord of them all. Like:

 

Urthemiel: We're choosing divine domains? Ooh, ooh, can I be beauty? I love pretty things!

 

Lusacan: Gawd Urthie, you're such a prep. Beauty? Really? *Dramatic hair flip* I'll be the god of night, because it's black, like my soul.

 

Andoral: You're not so cool, Lusa! I'll - I'll be the god of slaves! We'll start a death metal band! It'll be cooler than yours!

 

Dumat: I'll be the god of silence if it means I can make you all shut up. 

[Raeona]

Could the Old Gods have been based on the elven gods? Possibly, but there's nothing to suggest the elven gods were ever dragons, and certainly the contempt the Imperium held for elven culture makes it unlikely that they would think elven gods were worth worshipping. Consider also that it was the Old Gods that taught humanity its magic and encouraged them to destroy Arlathan -- why would elven gods do this? One could point to the Forgotten Ones (look at the codex entry on Fen'Harel for their mention) and suggest that they had reason for vengeance, though that would probably be against Fen'Harel and their good brethren and not against the elven people themselves, no? Still, all of that depends on how much of the knowledge given by Dalish tales is complete.

 

I smell misdirection.  He's telling us the Chantry lore and Dalish Lore version of things and cannot be trusted! 

 

That doesn't answer the question of what exactly Old Gods were - were they their own thing, or something that still originated as something associated with elves or Elvenhan? They may not be Evanuris, but we do know that aside from Evanuris there were also Forgotten Ones, who I assume were many of their political rivals or those that they've defeated and eventually got rid of to secure their leadership - perhaps in a similar way they got rid of Forbidden ones, as described by one of codices found in Vir Dirthara: http://dragonage.wik..._Forbidden_Ones or perhaps entombed and imprisoned like the Pride Demon in temple of Solasan.

 

I assume that at least some of those rivals matched them in power at least at one point (seeing that Solas wasn't technically an Evanura yet apparently was as powerful at one point), if not exceeded them. The excerpt from World Of Thedas v. 2 describes underground lairs of Old Gods as prisons after all and those prisons and chains that held them were apparently so wretched even darkspawn were avoiding them after the Archdemon was released...

 

The idea of prisons is fascinating, but what does it mean? The codex entry about Dumat rising from the ground as an archdemon has his high priest clearly recognizing him on sight. So the Tevinters had actually seen and interacted with their gods. Who put them in the prisons? And why did the Tevinter worship someone in chains? That seems distinctly un-Tevinter-like.

 

Theory: The old gods were powerful slaves (and also dragons) of the Evanuris, kept in chains until they had need of them. The Tevinter discovered these creatures in the wreckage of Arlathan, but the they were so powerful they overwhelmed the Tevinter with crazy old elven magic, until they were worshipped as gods. Then the blight wrecked everyone's ****. 

[Raeona]

I've always found the Tevinter pantheon interesting, because from a cultural perspective it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Like, typically cultures end up anthropomorphizing and, in turn, deifying concepts that are natural and vital to their daily lives. The Dalish pantheon, for instance - you got your goddess of the hunt, your goddess of the hearth, your god of crafts. All things that would've been central to a Dalish existence, so it makes sense that they're raised up to godhood.

 

And then there's Tevinter with it's gods of... ehm, mystery? And night? And silence? I guess you could make a case for slaves being important enough to make a god out of them, but it's hard to imagine any society valuing these things over, say, the rain that brings the harvest, or the seas that give them fish. Either the early Tevinters had some extremely screwed up priorities, or the Old Gods had to have existed and have contact with their subjects, allowing them to define themselves without regard for what's important to Tevinter life and society. 

 

Which gives me a delightful image of the Old Gods being the immortal-equivalent of emo teenagers, declaring their domains while trying to prove themselves as the edgiest edge lord of them all. Like:

 

Urthemiel: We're choosing divine domains? Ooh, ooh, can I be beauty? I love pretty things!

 

Lusacan: Gawd Urthie, you're such a prep. Beauty? Really? *Dramatic hair flip* I'll be the god of night, because it's black, like my soul.

 

Andoral: You're not so cool, Lusa! I'll - I'll be the god of slaves! We'll start a death metal band! It'll be cooler than yours!

 

Dumat: I'll be the god of silence if it means I can make you all shut up. 

 

For an incredibly opulent society that has long moved passed subsistence I can see why such abstract deities would be relevent, though not necessarily something they'd invent. They're the sort of traits that ruthless modern Orlesians would go for (except for slaves probably).Perhaps those traits are the weakness the old gods felt in Tevinter and preyed upon. I don't imagine they were benevolent deities, I can see Dumat enforcing a reign of terror with the threat of absolute silence held over an entire empire. Urthemial: your beauty is mine and I can take it away if I so choose. Andoral: your slaves, the chain is not in your hand, its in mine. 

 

I can see Tevinter respecting such a thing.

[FernRain]

I smell misdirection.  He's telling us the Chantry lore and Dalish Lore version of things and cannot be trusted!

 

Yeah. The mention of Forgotten Ones and vengeance caught my eye:

 

"One could point to the Forgotten Ones and suggest that they had reason for vengeance, though that would probably be against Fen'Harel and their good brethren and not against the elven people themselves, no?" (Part of that confuses me, was 'not' a typo?).

 

We now know that Fen'Harel wanted vengeance (I think?) for Mythal's murder and to stop the Evanuris. The Forgotten Ones could have been with him on that.

[Illyria]

Wow, also just realized two things.

 

1) There's an anonymous ferret lurking in the Grad AU Google Doc.  *waves at ferret*

2) These barf posts have more than doubled in average length, and I didn't even notice.  Would it be easier for you guys to read if I scaled back?  I know long text posts can be a pain on mobile.

 

More barf!!  More barf!

[Illyria]

But it's still acceptable to criticize amateur YouTube videos, art, music, meta-posts, contest entries, or cosplays.  Even if feedback was not solicited, even if the creator only did it "for themselves."  I don't know if it's just the BioWare fandom, but for whatever reason, I only seem to hear this attitude toward writers, and TBH it confuses and somewhat worries me   

I don't think writing is somehow unique in fandom. IMO perfectly ok for the creator to say they're not interested in hearing criticism of their work. That's their prerogative.  But it's no one's place to say that criticism should not happen, whatever the medium or intended audience.

 

I agree with this.  This is no different from our discussion on Message Sent.  No-one here has made personal attacks on the author and everything has been kept to discussion of the work itself.
 

[Illyria]

My mind went to dirty places with this.

 

...

 

I don't get it.

 

*actual Merrill*
 

[CapricornSun]

*dumps some art*

 

Art post.

 

Sweet Solavellan art.

Spoiler

Source: http://celebrantsrap...-anonymous-gift

 

 

Some lovely warmup sketches of Solas and Lavellan. (Awww, that hug! )

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Source: http://destinyaposta...re-a-commission

 

 

Pulchra Tenebris Part 20. (Warning for blood, torture, and mutilation.)

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Source: http://thefateshaper...olaslavellan-by

 

 

Solas failing at telling Lavellan the truth and instead tells her about the vallaslin.

From the artist: "It’s good to know that a consistent character trait of Solas is that every time he makes a mistake, he always “fixes” it by making an even larger mistake"

Spoiler

Source: http://cathaycay.tum...-and-how-i-view

 

 

Solas and Lavellan at Halamshiral.

Spoiler

Source: http://kasumiafkgod....-the-time-zones

 

 

A Solas WIP. (The art style looks interesting.)

Spoiler

Source: http://11xarcsin.tum...e-i-can-see-all

 

 

Solas apparently singing some Blue Gillespie songs.

Spoiler

Source: http://theinquisitor...-head-for-about

 

 

And not Solas, but I kinda like this fabulous shot of Abelas. That pose!

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Source: http://lunarreverb.t...nshot-is-absurd

 

[lynroy]

...

I don't get it.

*actual Merrill*

Unfortunately, my mind lives in the gutter. "Spread the egg love" automatically made me think of sex.

Great top post. Let's have some egg love. Solas-an screenshot. http://solas-an.tumb...93004915/разное

[fangs4fun]

Am I the only one who giggles or sighs like a school girl whenever Solas calls your Lavellan Vhenan or My Heart?  Just the way he says it with such tenderness.            It's why I stop by his area often times.  

 

It's a good thing my current PT is the completionist run. Solas will be staying in that rotunda for a looong while.  I will complete all possible side quests and collect all possible codices and items then complete Hakkon and Descent before I go to Mythal's Temple.        

[FernRain]

@fangs:

 

Yes, and that's a reason why it hurt me so much. The one time I really invest in a romance, on my first play through.. I used to go to sleep replaying the scenes in my head. So when Crestwood happened..

 

It was bad.

[S.W.]

The subject of 'DAI companions keeping their same sexual orientation but being a different gender' came up last week here in this thread. And so I thought to myself What would Solas look like as a woman?
I got out some paper and started to draw. Here is what I came up with:

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oh man, that is fantastic!

Since that conversation, I've created a giant headcanon for lady!Solas, and have a plot dancing around my head based on the idea that Solas was doing much more than she appeared to do at Halamshiral - i.e. took the eluvian passcode from Briala, outplaying her whilst she was at her best. It may involve some brief f!Solas/Briala, lots of flirting between two clever women. Already have a title: Fem'Harel Enasal.

I'm trying not to write it. I'm already trying to write too many other things.