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[rowrow]

It's the fact that the guy has a really punchable face.
 

 

 

Too bad he didn't look like Cullen then

[S.W.]

It's the fact that the guy has a really punchable face.

That is true. Can't say I blame anyone, really

[midnight tea]

Maybe the Inquisitor changes the way he thinks about Qunari? Though that makes less sense if the banter comes before the Balcony scene. Hmm.

 

Well, you know - there's a difference between being a decent Qunari or person and being one that reminds Solas of someone "from the deepest journeys into the ancient memory of the Fade" (which indicates that they're likely in the league with what Solas considers the best of the best, and that's from pre-Veil time!)

 

... Which actually convinces me that the whole "you're real and that means everyone else may be real" is something different than what people usually assume.

 

I mean, usually I see people assuming it means that "they may be real people too".... but that doesn't make any sense. If Inquisitor is his friend (bah, didn't people find out that we only need +1 of his approval to get the positive dialogue and redeem option?), Solas admits at the end of Trespasser - and more than once - that he already recognizes people as people, diminished as they are. Heck, even if Inquisitor fails at taming the wolf, he has banters that reveal that he's wavering when it comes to that.

 

Plus, Cole has banters like that:

 

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Blackwall: Tell me, Cole, how do you make them forget you?

Cole: I'm not really real.

Cole: They already want to forget me. I find the part that doesn't fit and set it free. Their mind makes a shape that makes sense without me.

Blackwall: That's not right.

 

Dorian: You're not possessing a human body, Cole? You... actually look like that?

Cole: Yes.

Dorian: But a spirit's true form is always monstrous, or at least unnatural.

Cole: The world doesn't make sense to them. It's too real. That's why they look wrong.

Dorian: And... this is how you want to look?

Cole: I want to help. Looking doesn't matter.

 

Solas: How do you feel, Cole, now that you dealt with the Templar?

Cole: I don't know. He hurt me... hurt the real Cole. I'm angry at him.

Cole: I can't let that go. I have to become more, let it make me real.

Solas: You may well become fully human, after all. I never thought to see it.

Cole: When did you see it before?

Solas: I did not say that I had.

Cole: No, you didn't. It's harder to hear, sometimes. Sorry.

Solas: Good luck, Cole. You have taken a difficult road.

 

.... And Cole is more definitely "real" in a sense that Solas recognizes him as something he'd consider a person, or at least a highly intelligent being he has respect for. The way Cole uses the word 'real' indicates more that he becomes a being from Thedas, with a real body, stable and solid - and this people from modern Thedas definitely have.

 

That, PLUS, the cryptic "His friend had to die. Because he thought they were people. A slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws." indicates that Felassan didn't die because 'he thought they were real', but 'he thought they were people'. So their realness isn't put into question, just their status as people.

 

So no, when Cole mentions that Lavellan/approved Inky "are real", I don't think he means that "they're a person and Solas is close to recognizing other as people", since he already does. But we know that he thinks highly approved Inquisitor is something MORE. He tells them in the balcony scene (in a roundabout way) - 'you may be similar in the form of a body, but you ARE different from others'. Brighter, according to Cole.

 

I think what this means is that Solas is considering a possibility that more such bright souls may yet cross through the Fade and thrive in this world (... albeit with SOME modifications, I assume) - assuming that Inquisitor isn't a one-time 'fluke', or exception that proves the rule.

[Cee]

Man, people are harsh on those Kirkwall mages. I'm like ... anybody who had to spend time in that festering ****hole deserves at least a bit of sympathy
 

 

 

They clearly acted out of ignorance and a lack of knowledge about the situation, and were trying to protect themselves amid a desperate situation. Mages, lacking lyrium, being attacked.

 

I'd never let Solas kill them. He's not thinking rationally at that moment and their deaths neither help nor solve anything. Everyone was just trying to survive.
 

[midnight tea]

They clearly acted out of ignorance and a lack of knowledge about the situation, and were trying to protect themselves amid a desperate situation. Mages, lacking lyrium, being attacked.

 

I'd never let Solas kill them. He's not thinking rationally at that moment and their deaths neither help nor solve anything. Everyone was just trying to survive.

 

Yep, I assume he's just too emotional at that moment to think clearly - the fact that mages treat spirits that way and don't care may be their personal failing (they were not brave or curious enough to go against Chantry/Circle teachings), but it's a part of much bigger problem which they can't be punished for as if they were responsible for it all.

 

Plus, unlike Cole's templar, they're hardly mentioned ever again in banters - and the one time they do Solas admits that their biggest crime was their ignorance; ignorance that sadly stems from thousands of years of misunderstandings and fear of the Fade, which - given the existence of the Veil - is also probably something Solas blames himself for, at least in some part I mean, I would be surprised if he didn't, given just how guilt-wracked he is already.

[lynroy]

I just love how the Inquisitor can get Solas to stand down by simply saying his name. That was powerful to me, don't know why.

[Illyria]

I just love how the Inquisitor can get Solas to stand down by simply saying his name. That was powerful to me, don't know why.

 

I can't like at the moment so QFT.

 

It takes his name to bring him back to his senses and a slight disapproval hit.  To me that says there's a lot of hope for Solas still.
 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I can't like at the moment so QFT.

 

It takes his name to bring him back to his senses and a slight disapproval hit.  To me that says there's a lot of hope for Solas still.
 

 

I'm also out of likes, but seconded. 

 

What I got out of that moment is that Solas can always be reasoned with, even in the grips of grief or despair or fury.  He doesn't fly into an unthinking rage.  He doesn't do anything without thought, even if he comes to regret it later.  His relationship with quizzy, his attempts to restore the elvhen, none of these are thoughtless decisions, and he is always open to the possibility of using words instead of violence.

[Cee]

I'm also out of likes, but seconded. 

 

What I got out of that moment is that Solas can always be reasoned with, even in the grips of grief or despair or fury.  He doesn't fly into an unthinking rage.  He doesn't do anything without thought, even if he comes to regret it later.  His relationship with quizzy, his attempts to restore the elvhen, none of these are thoughtless decisions, and he is always open to the possibility of using words instead of violence.

 

And this is where I ran out of likes, but yes. I'm glad these feelings of hope click in more than one way. They did a great job.

[Uirebhiril]

So no, when Cole mentions that Lavellan/approved Inky "are real", I don't think he means that "they're a person and Solas is close to recognizing other as people", since he already does. But we know that he thinks highly approved Inquisitor is something MORE. He tells them in the balcony scene (in a roundabout way) - 'you may be similar in the form of a body, but you ARE different from others'. Brighter, according to Cole.

 

I've always wondered why telling Solas you're just like everyone else gets you a disapproval hit. Do you suppose it's because he doesn't like the idea that the Inquisitor is right, and that everyone else he is planning to see destroyed are people too?

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've always wondered why telling Solas you're just like everyone else gets you a disapproval hit. Do you suppose it's because he doesn't like the idea that the Inquisitor is right, and that everyone else he is planning to see destroyed are people too?

That's what I figured.

Oh Solas. You disapprove when I say I'm normal, AND when I say I'm the Herald. How about, "I'm special but not quite as special as the special snowflake elvhen?"

[rowrow]

I've always wondered why telling Solas you're just like everyone else gets you a disapproval hit. Do you suppose it's because he doesn't like the idea that the Inquisitor is right, and that everyone else he is planning to see destroyed are people too?

 

Before the reveal, I just put it down to him not liking the fact that my Quizzy was making him question his own beliefs about the Dalish (or other groups the Inquisitor could belong to). But post-Trespasser, yes, there's that whole other dimension to it. If you tell him that you haven't changed since the Anchor, he just says, "Ah," in this sad way, and it's so loaded with feels when you know everything. Damn it, Bioware.

[Barnzi88]

Just dropping in a few shots I took using Flycam.

 

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[rowrow]

Well, you know - there's a difference between being a decent Qunari or person and being one that reminds Solas of someone "from the deepest journeys into the ancient memory of the Fade" (which indicates that they're likely in the league with what Solas considers the best of the best, and that's from pre-Veil time!)

 

[snip]

 

I think what this means is that Solas is considering a possibility that more such bright souls may yet cross through the Fade and thrive in this world (... albeit with SOME modifications, I assume) - assuming that Inquisitor isn't a one-time 'fluke', or exception that proves the rule.

 

I don't know if I do like to think of it that way ... but he certainly says some things that make you wonder. When he asks about 'your mind, your morals, your ... spirit.', for example. The fact that he puts 'spirit' at the end indicates that whatever the term means to him, a person's spirit is of primary importance as far as he's concerned. And there is this line he can give you in the breakup scene, where he says something like you have a rare and (magical? wonderful?) spirit. He undoubtedly means it as a compliment, and an honest one, but as others have said, taken together with his poor opinion of people in general, it's hard to feel good about such compliments or about Solas when he gives them. And that's somehow worse if he means 'spirit' in a literal, technical sense. I don't want to think about him deciding people's fates based on how he rates the souls they were born with. That seems awful on a whole new level.

 

But if your theory is correct, and Solas does consider the Inquisitor to be an exceptional 'soul', of which there may be more existing or to come ... do you see that as a hopeful thing? Would it make him more likely to reconsider his plans for the Veil?

[Cee]

I saw the "Party in DA4" thread and thought party in DA4.

 

Yes, I have had caffeine today.

[NightSymphony]

ART

 

Chibi Set

http://zoro4me3.devi...ition-573103374

 

Sparkling Love Gif

http://brixa.deviant...ellan-572951344

 

Solas Floating Gif

http://brixa.deviant...pirit-572925213

 

Dread Wolf 1 and 2

http://dracoangelz.d...-Wolf-573041693

http://dracoangelz.d...lf-02-573041985

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Trespasser: Solas crying

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Source: http://hoyjboe.tumbl...o-see-solas-cry

 

 

DAI fluff: Sera x Adaar, Blackwall x Cadash, and Solavellan. 

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Source: http://avinox.tumblr...from-last-night

 

 

The Unending Wake Part 17: Cole, Lavellan, and Solas.

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Source: http://harellanart.t...e-travel-au-the

 

 

Grumpy Inquisitor reacts to companions.

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Source: http://tyyrael.tumbl...s-to-companions

 

 

And lastly, not Solas, but a beautiful artwork of Cole.

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Source: http://iwanttehspagh...-important-okay

 

[Cee]

ART

 

 

 

Solas Floating Gif

http://brixa.deviant...pirit-572925213

 

 

 

The spirit of fixing things.

 

Oh, the consequences.
 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't know if I do like to think of it that way ... but he certainly says some things that make you wonder. When he asks about 'your mind, your morals, your ... spirit.', for example. The fact that he puts 'spirit' at the end indicates that whatever the term means to him, a person's spirit is of primary importance as far as he's concerned. And there is this line he can give you in the breakup scene, where he says something like you have a rare and (magical? wonderful?) spirit. He undoubtedly means it as a compliment, and an honest one, but as others have said, taken together with his poor opinion of people in general, it's hard to feel good about such compliments or about Solas when he gives them. And that's somehow worse if he means 'spirit' in a literal, technical sense. I don't want to think about him deciding people's fates based on how he rates the souls they were born with. That seems awful on a whole new level.
 
But if your theory is correct, and Solas does consider the Inquisitor to be an exceptional 'soul', of which there may be more existing or to come ... do you see that as a hopeful thing? Would it make him more likely to reconsider his plans for the Veil?

 
As awful as it sounds...it's kind of consistent with the way he views the world, and some of the other stuff he's said   There's this delightfully condescending bit during Cole's quest: 
 

Solas: This is not some fanciful story, Child of the Stone.  We cannot change our nature by wishing.
Varric: You don't think?

 
Solas does seem to believe that the essential nature of a person (their "spirit," I suppose) is immutable.  Or if it can be changed, it would only change for the worse, like Wisdom bound and corrupted into a Pride demon, or the people of modern Thedas severed from the Fade.  If you make Cole human, he's pleasantly surprised by Cole's evolution.
 

Solas: How do you feel, Cole, now that you dealt with the Templar?
Cole: I don't know. He hurt me... hurt the real Cole. I'm angry at him.
Cole: I can't let that go. I have to become more, let it make me real.
Solas: You may well become fully human, after all. I never thought to see it.
Cole: When did you see it before?
Solas: I did not say that I had.
Cole: No, you didn't. It's harder to hear, sometimes. Sorry.
Solas: Good luck, Cole. You have taken a difficult road.

 
It's funny, because he lambasts the Chantry for thinking of spirits in simplistic terms.  Yet his perspective on people is equally simplistic.  We have a face we want to show, and a face we don't.  A pure state, and a corrupt state...like spirits.  But people aren't digital; they're analog.  They grow, evolve, and change in a continuous fashion, and IMO that's the bit that Solas doesn't want to believe.  Because if the people of modern Thedas can evolve and maybe even reconnect with the Fade, then his whole scheme to flip a switch and "fix" the world is fundamentally wrong, even if he does manage to pull it off.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Grumpy Inquisitor reacts to companions.

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Source: http://tyyrael.tumbl...s-to-companions

 

 

OMG, Blackwall's sadface! 

[midnight tea]

I've always wondered why telling Solas you're just like everyone else gets you a disapproval hit. Do you suppose it's because he doesn't like the idea that the Inquisitor is right, and that everyone else he is planning to see destroyed are people too?

 

I assume that him asking about whether the Anchor was what made Inquisitor is the more decisive moment when it comes to acceptance that Inky is of the people of modern Thedas and that they're indeed people, even if mostly cut away from the Fade.

(anyway, I always giggle at "if it had, do you really think I would've noticed?" response, because Solas is all like "ooo, interesting!". I have a feeling that if Inky didn't snap his attention back to initial question, they'd just drift away and spent hours having a delightful philosophical debate )

 

...But considering that moments later he hits them with a compliment that basically states that IQ reminds him of beings long lost and showing wisdom even he - a being of thousands of years old, who very possibly knows the Fade like none else alive - has only seen in the deepest recesses of the Fade... yeah, that's different from simply admitting that modern Thedosians are people.

 

Veil or not, it's possible that approved Inquisitors would be fairly exceptional either way - though it comes as deep shock for Solas to find that the Veiled world is able to either give birth or not thwart the growth and development of such person; with them becoming Inquisitor probably being the toughest possible test of them all: one the Inquisitor doesn't necessarily pass.

So the potential is there, but living up to that potential and actually becoming someone worthy of giving them credit for their achievements - well, that's in our hands

 

Anyway, personally I think that Solas slightly disapproving of Inky saying that they see themselves as no different is not necessarily an issue of coming in gripes with 'peoplesness' of Thedosians, but Solas being like "hey, dude... as much as anyone else has value, you are different. You're more like ME. There's a connection between us, see?"

(kinda in the vibe of something I've mentioned in this comment: http://forum.bioware...4#entry19704273)

 

I mean, there has to be a reason why he actually calls befriended Lavellan "lethallin/lethallan" - something he doesn't do, when elf Inkys aren't approved. And we know Solas doesn't necessarily uses it to call only ancient elves his kin - he uses "lethallin" for Wisdom, and Wisdom is a spirit, not someone he shares blood with.

He probably doesn't call Inquisitor of any other race that way, because they'd likely think it's unusual, or start having to many uncomfortable questions about that. Needless to say he acknowledges that there's connection between them and it's a genuine one - not stemming from the effect of the Anchor or anything.

 

 

I don't know if I do like to think of it that way ... but he certainly says some things that make you wonder. When he asks about 'your mind, your morals, your ... spirit.', for example. The fact that he puts 'spirit' at the end indicates that whatever the term means to him, a person's spirit is of primary importance as far as he's concerned. And there is this line he can give you in the breakup scene, where he says something like you have a rare and (magical? wonderful?) spirit. He undoubtedly means it as a compliment, and an honest one, but as others have said, taken together with his poor opinion of people in general, it's hard to feel good about such compliments or about Solas when he gives them. And that's somehow worse if he means 'spirit' in a literal, technical sense. I don't want to think about him deciding people's fates based on how he rates the souls they were born with. That seems awful on a whole new level.

 

But if your theory is correct, and Solas does consider the Inquisitor to be an exceptional 'soul', of which there may be more existing or to come ... do you see that as a hopeful thing? Would it make him more likely to reconsider his plans for the Veil?

 

This isn't confirmed yet, but considering that it's highly possible that everyone was a spirit at one point or another and/or it is at core of every living, sentient being, then the spirit of a person would indeed be of primary importance.

 

And, like I mentioned above, the fact that Inky has a strong spirit doesn't necessarily mean that they're 'speshul' in a way nobody else is - the approved ones may simply manage to live up to the potential they carry, and there's no way of telling if they're the only ones with that potential. I mean.. if we accept that pretty much every possible Inquisitor was at the Conclave and only random chance (well, us) decide in which play-through which lives, than they're certainly not the only ones.

 

So yes, I think that I find it as a hopeful thing - I mean, EVEN if we assume that Inquisitor is indeed the 'specialest' of special snowflakes (I don't, not necessarily), those who have enough of a mental constitution to deal with a sudden burden of saving the world and leading a world-changing organization certainly prove to Solas that such bright souls can indeed find a way to become real and survive the trials that await them in blighted, conflict-torn and Veiled world - so then others (the ones locked away, 'hiding, hurting in a mirror' perhaps?) would be able to survive it too, which means that there's no need to destroy this world. Change it somewhat, possibly, to help others become as bright or let the bright ones in maybe, but not necessarily destroy it.

[S.W.]

Latest Message Sent chapter is out. No smut. (They're all just picking out outfits to wear for Halamshiral, basically): 
http://archiveofouro...apters/12094913
 

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It appears that Solas really did stop calling Ellana "da'len" and is now calling her "vhenan".
Also, from Aicosu's tumblr tags: #two more chapters after this until THE chapter? I think #and one of those is only a texting one so

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... they're going to meet at Halamshiral, aren't they? Fully costumed, in masks, during dramatic revelations about the fate of the eluvian.

I actually can't wait.

 
 

Just dropping in a few shots I took using Flycam.
 

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Just a quick note to say your Lavellan is gorgeous!

[dawnstone]

 

 

I mean, there has to be a reason why he actually calls befriended Lavellan "lethallin/lethallan" - something he doesn't do, when elf Inkys aren't approved. And we know Solas doesn't necessarily uses it to call only ancient elves his kin - he uses "lethallin" for Wisdom, and Wisdom is a spirit, not someone he shares blood with.

He probably doesn't call Inquisitor of any other race that way, because they'd likely think it's unusual, or start having to many uncomfortable questions about that. Needless to say he acknowledges that there's connection between them and it's a genuine one - not stemming from the effect of the Anchor or anything.

 

This isn't confirmed yet, but considering that it's highly possible that everyone was a spirit at one point or another and/or it is at core of every living, sentient being, then the spirit of a person would indeed be of primary importance.

 

Hmm... If Solas really was a Wisdom spirit before Mythal called him into service, him calling his friend Wisdom "lethallan" could be more literal than we realize. Just a thought.

[Cee]

Hmm... If Solas really was a Wisdom spirit before Mythal called him into service, him calling his friend Wisdom "lethallan" could be more literal than we realize. Just a thought.

 

Is DA4 out yet?

[Illyria]

Bull's necklace of the Kadan is now being sold in the Bioware store.  Where's our jawbone?

 

*waiting intensifies*