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[Cee]

Now I'm past 2500 pages and around this time (near the end of January 2015) the thread was having fun with Cory as Dr. Fran N Furter.  lol.  The art were hilarious.  

 

I think we're all enjoying your dedicated trip through the thread's past life.

[Fen'Eira]

Screenshot I had to share!  It's now my desktop wallpaper.

 

[Gwyvian]

*emerges from blankets and kittens*

 

I wanted to put in a thought about why Solas disapproves of the modest "I'm normal" answer on the balcony: it's false humility. You are obviously special, and not just because of the mark on your hand. You quickly build up possibly the most powerful force in Thedas, people follow your lead and others consider you personally to be a threat, you have great success at pretty much everything you touch and while at the beginning you can claim that you don't know what's going on and all this stuff is happening to you by pure chance, by the time you get to the balcony scene you are irrevocably The Leader. Regardless of how you obtained your position, you become different by taking on that mantle, and it diminishes your respect for your own institution and your role in it to modestly shrug and claim that anyone could do it. Anyone can't do it, because you became something more by accepting the title of Inquisitor; I think some might think taking ownership of your power is arrogant, but it's really not, you have a responsibility to your people, you are a leader for them, not for yourself, recognizing that you are powerful and different from other people by virtue of who you become is not arrogance, it's simple truth. And we know Solas loves blunt honesty and detached rationale.

 

Plus, after Trespasser I'm pretty sure that the darling Dread Wolf has juuuuuust a touch of hubris himself - his stance, his voice, everything radiates the self-confidence of an ancient, powerful rebel leader that's almost a little too absolute (*drool*) - so I think that he respects a Lavellan who he not only can see as an equal, but who sees herself as an equal to him (granted, without knowing the extent of his power at the time), who - as I said - takes ownership of her power rather than expressing discomfort with it. Ostensibly this is because when he stops hiding and publicly takes ownership of his identity as Fen'Harel, he wants to know that you will be on as equal a footing as you can be with freaking Fen'Harel of all people. I think this is equated with self-respect in his eyes, because if you are just a toady or "just anyone" then you can never be his equal and he can never see you as one. (Plus... I think a little bit of that hubris plays a part: after all, you are his lover, you can't be just a simple girl, you have to live up to and earn your status as someone he chose.)

 

At least, this morning that's what I thought while I was reading today's posts.

 

*sinks back to blankets and kittens*

[midnight tea]

*emerges from blankets and kittens*

 

I wanted to put in a thought about why Solas disapproves of the modest "I'm normal" answer on the balcony: it's false humility. You are obviously special, and not just because of the mark on your hand. You quickly build up possibly the most powerful force in Thedas, people follow your lead and others consider you personally to be a threat, you have great success at pretty much everything you touch and while at the beginning you can claim that you don't know what's going on and all this stuff is happening to you by pure chance, by the time you get to the balcony scene you are irrevocably The Leader. Regardless of how you obtained your position, you become different by taking on that mantle, and it diminishes your respect for your own institution and your role in it to modestly shrug and claim that anyone could do it. Anyone can't do it, because you became something more by accepting the title of Inquisitor; I think some might think taking ownership of your power is arrogant, but it's really not, you have a responsibility to your people, you are a leader for them, not for yourself, recognizing that you are powerful and different from other people by virtue of who you become is not arrogance, it's simple truth. And we know Solas loves blunt honesty and detached rationale.

 

Plus, after Trespasser I'm pretty sure that the darling Dread Wolf has juuuuuust a touch of hubris himself - his stance, his voice, everything radiates the self-confidence of an ancient, powerful rebel leader that's almost a little too absolute (*drool*) - so I think that he respects a Lavellan who he not only can see as an equal, but who sees herself as an equal to him (granted, without knowing the extent of his power at the time), who - as I said - takes ownership of her power rather than expressing discomfort with it. Ostensibly this is because when he stops hiding and publicly takes ownership of his identity as Fen'Harel, he wants to know that you will be on as equal a footing as you can be with freaking Fen'Harel of all people. I think this is equated with self-respect in his eyes, because if you are just a toady or "just anyone" then you can never be his equal and he can never see you as one. (Plus... I think a little bit of that hubris plays a part: after all, you are his lover, you can't be just a simple girl, you have to live up to and earn your status as someone he chose.)

 

At least, this morning that's what I thought while I was reading today's posts.

 

*sinks back to blankets and kittens*

 

Well, let's not go into hubris territory that fast and just name the thing the way it is - pride

 

I mean, taking pride in one's accomplishments is not a bad thing - heck, it's kinda necessary for one's own heal, really (and especially to those who lead others, duh). It's the extremes that are bad, be it hubris or either lack of confidence or false modesty. So yeah, there's definitely this going on here - a notion that's supported by the fact that when the elf Inquisitor who tells him the "the Dalish didn't raise me that way. The decisions are mine" he slightly approves and tells them "yes, you are wise to give yourself that due. (Although the Dalish, in their fashion, might still have guided you)."

 

If anything, the Inquisitor definitely has to have a solid backbone to go through everything AND then try and stop Solas/help him find a different way...

[Barnzi88]

 Just a quick note to say your Lavellan is gorgeous!

 

Thank you Come Dragon age 4, she's likely the Inquisitor I'll be carrying over.

[FernRain]

Question:

 

When you answer on the balcony with "do you think I would notice?" after he asks if the anchor changed you, what does that mean? How would you not notice if the anchor changed your spirit? It confuses me.

[fangs4fun]

You're bringing back so many wonderful and silly memories, fangs.

 

 

I think we're all enjoying your dedicated trip through the thread's past life.

 

 

Thanks!  I even changed my profile pic because at some point around the same period Lord Woolsley became a topic for discussion and someone found and posted that pic.  It's one of my favorite side quests in DAI.  Lord Woolsley.  I accidentally killed him the first time because I didn't know he was part of a side quest.  He was not harming anyone so I made sure to bring him back to his owner the next time.  

[Raeona]

Random Fact: every time I visit this thread I type 'B' for bioware into the url bar, but about a month ago I was googling the name Beryl for some reason, and now every time I try to get here chrome automatically takes me to Beryl again. I do not want to google beryl, I just want to talk about Solas. Why don't you understand this, Chrome? What do you want from me?

 

Also, did you know that beryl is a type of crystal that wasn't used as a name until the 1800s? Well now you do. Screw you, beryl.

[midnight tea]

Random Fact: every time I visit this thread I type 'B' for bioware into the url bar, but about a month ago I was googling the name Beryl for some reason, and now every time I try to get here chrome automatically takes me to Beryl again. I do not want to google beryl, I just want to talk about Solas. Why don't you understand this, Chrome? What do you want from me?

 

Also, did you know that beryl is a type of crystal that wasn't used as a name until the 1800s? Well now you do. Screw you, beryl.

 

Just clean your history (ctrl+h) - it will erase all the cookies and all other history, but if you don't care for such things it's the way to go

[Cee]

Question:

 

When you answer on the balcony with "do you think I would notice?" after he asks if the anchor changed you, what does that mean? How would you not notice if the anchor changed your spirit? It confuses me.

 

If the effects it had were subtle or was somehow guiding your thought processes, maybe you might not notice. Or, given all the other chaos and responsibility you've gotten, and the things you have had to do, which are pretty weird and sometimes scary, maybe any effect on you could've been caused by any number of your experiences.

 

You've been through a lot.

[Raeona]

Just clean your history (ctrl+h) - it will erase all the cookies and all other history, but if you don't care for such things it's the way to go

That's the quitters way out.  I insist on being as convoluted as possible. 

 

I just finished reading all of the Unending Wake, what's been written so far at least, and it is now my current favourite time travel fic. Multiple converging universes, oh my! And poor FenHarel just dazed and confused over the whole mess. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

*emerges from blankets and kittens*

 

I wanted to put in a thought about why Solas disapproves of the modest "I'm normal" answer on the balcony: it's false humility. You are obviously special, and not just because of the mark on your hand. You quickly build up possibly the most powerful force in Thedas, people follow your lead and others consider you personally to be a threat, you have great success at pretty much everything you touch and while at the beginning you can claim that you don't know what's going on and all this stuff is happening to you by pure chance, by the time you get to the balcony scene you are irrevocably The Leader. Regardless of how you obtained your position, you become different by taking on that mantle, and it diminishes your respect for your own institution and your role in it to modestly shrug and claim that anyone could do it. Anyone can't do it, because you became something more by accepting the title of Inquisitor; I think some might think taking ownership of your power is arrogant, but it's really not, you have a responsibility to your people, you are a leader for them, not for yourself, recognizing that you are powerful and different from other people by virtue of who you become is not arrogance, it's simple truth. And we know Solas loves blunt honesty and detached rationale.

 

Plus, after Trespasser I'm pretty sure that the darling Dread Wolf has juuuuuust a touch of hubris himself - his stance, his voice, everything radiates the self-confidence of an ancient, powerful rebel leader that's almost a little too absolute (*drool*) - so I think that he respects a Lavellan who he not only can see as an equal, but who sees herself as an equal to him (granted, without knowing the extent of his power at the time), who - as I said - takes ownership of her power rather than expressing discomfort with it. Ostensibly this is because when he stops hiding and publicly takes ownership of his identity as Fen'Harel, he wants to know that you will be on as equal a footing as you can be with freaking Fen'Harel of all people. I think this is equated with self-respect in his eyes, because if you are just a toady or "just anyone" then you can never be his equal and he can never see you as one. (Plus... I think a little bit of that hubris plays a part: after all, you are his lover, you can't be just a simple girl, you have to live up to and earn your status as someone he chose.)

 

At least, this morning that's what I thought while I was reading today's posts.

 

*sinks back to blankets and kittens*

 

Maybe it's because Harry Potter was my first foray into fantasy, but I like the idea of a hero who can be extraordinary, and do extraordinary things, without seeing themselves as superior or fundamentally different from the people around them.  A lot of my favorite fictional characters (Harry Potter himself, Lyra Belacqua, Samwise Gamgee) fall into this category.  Or at least, this was my Lavellan's take with the "I'm normal" attitude.

 

IMO that's not really false modesty.  You acknowledge your own accomplishments, but you also assert that being heroic or badass is not an inherent virtue.  Like you pointed out, accepting the mantle of Inquisitor makes you something more, so being a hero is a ultimately a choice that you made.  And the potential to make that choice exists in everyone, even if it isn't readily apparent.

[midnight tea]

That's the quitters way out.  I insist on being as convoluted as possible. 

 

I just finished reading all of the Unending Wake, what's been written so far at least, and it is now my current favourite time travel fic. Multiple converging universes, oh my! And poor FenHarel just dazed and confused over the whole mess. 

 

Well, you can always be as convoluted as me - cleaning my history daily, but having around 8762371687316-zillion bookmars xD

[fangs4fun]

reposting because LOL

 

Awesome! Thanks And not sure if this ones been shared yet..but it made my day. 

 

 

Source : http://jakface.tumbl.../i-am-the-worst

 

[Elessara]

Question:

 

When you answer on the balcony with "do you think I would notice?" after he asks if the anchor changed you, what does that mean? How would you not notice if the anchor changed your spirit? It confuses me.

 

I'm finding this hard to explain.  I think I understand why the Inquisitor says that and it's mostly about how you perceive yourself and your own reactions to things.  If someone came up to me and said that I've really changed as a person I would think that was weird because I don't feel like I've changed even though I probably have.  It seems to me that a lot of times people tend to not really see the changes in their own personality.  Solas didn't know the Inquisitor before the Anchor so he's wondering what kind of person they were before.  And the Inquisitor can realise that maybe getting the Anchor changed them but would they have consciously noticed a change?  I know when I react to situations I encounter now, I don't stop and think how would I have reacted a year ago or even 6 months ago?

 

I feel like I'm not explaining myself well.  ><

[Raeona]

reposting because LOL

 

<snip>

 

That eggs benedict one creeps me out. It also gives me nightmares of a strange alternate reality where DA:Inquisition is a movie and Solas is played by Cumberbatch and its all wrong! Oh, maker protect us. 

[Garnet]

Mmmmm, Deviled eggs. 

[Cee]

Mmmmm, Deviled eggs. 

 

 

We need more Solas party wizard.

[Gwyvian]

Well, let's not go into hubris territory that fast and just name the thing the way it is - pride

 

I mean, taking pride in one's accomplishments is not a bad thing - heck, it's kinda necessary for one's own heal, really (and especially to those who lead others, duh). It's the extremes that are bad, be it hubris or either lack of confidence or false modesty. So yeah, there's definitely this going on here - a notion that's supported by the fact that when the elf Inquisitor who tells him the "the Dalish didn't raise me that way. The decisions are mine" he slightly approves and tells them "yes, you are wise to give yourself that due. (Although the Dalish, in their fashion, might still have guided you)."

 

If anything, the Inquisitor definitely has to have a solid backbone to go through everything AND then try and stop Solas/help him find a different way...

 

Yes, pride!

 

Maybe it's because Harry Potter was my first foray into fantasy, but I like the idea of a hero who can be extraordinary, and do extraordinary things, without seeing themselves as superior or fundamentally different from the people around them.  A lot of my favorite fictional characters (Harry Potter himself, Lyra Belacqua, Samwise Gamgee) fall into this category.  Or at least, this was my Lavellan's take with the "I'm normal" attitude.

 

IMO that's not really false modesty.  You acknowledge your own accomplishments, but you also assert that being heroic or badass is not an inherent virtue.  Like you pointed out, accepting the mantle of Inquisitor makes you something more, so being a hero is a ultimately a choice that you made.  And the potential to make that choice exists in everyone, even if it isn't readily apparent.

That's not exactly what I meant. There's a difference between superiority and power, though the concepts often go hand in hand in most stories; you can be humbled by your power, humbled by the trust placed in you, you can consider yourself as equal to everyday people in many ways and yet still be different and special, not because of who you are inherently, but because of who you've become. Yes, it's your role, the one that you grow into, but you change, too. I love Harry Potter, I love Lord of the Rings and tons and tons of other stories where the heroes express the attitude you are talking about (the "ordinary hero"), but characters like Harry and Sam are not defined by being great leaders; they are heroes, yes, with a small number of followers in some cases, but the Inquisitor is an entirely different type of hero: you lead armies, you inspire thousands who have never even met you, you are an example and a role model and tons of other things to loads of people who have grand expectations of you, you are spoken of in the same sentence as the world's rulers... whether you like it or not, you are different, period. The question is, can you accept that and do the best job you can, or will you squirm under it and try to get out of your responsibilities because you don't think you "deserve" this? You cannot accept it without changing in yourself, you have to grow.

 

Take Perrin Aybara for example from Wheel of Time: all throughout the books he resents being put in the position of the leader, he fights against it with tooth and nail, but at the end when he finally does accept his role, he stops complaining, he accepts the loyalty of his followers and does his job. He says all the time that he doesn't want to be treated differently, but he acknowledges that he is different, because his people make him so, what is more, he feels disturbed by the thought that someone else might take over his position and ruin his home, his people - i.e. he also grows in himself. It's not arrogance that he thinks he's the only one who can be their leader, but he wants to help his people the best he can, which in his case means leading them and telling people what to do, so he accepts that his people will never see him as one of them again, he has been elevated as someone special, whatever he wants. It's a burden, but he's not uncomfortable with his mantle of leadership once he finally realizes that no matter how much he wants to be ordinary again, he is not. This is what I mean.

 

I didn't mean to say that I personally think that it's false humility to choose the "I'm normal" option; I'm saying Solas must see it this way, as someone who is very familiar and comfortable with leadership, and he is all about leaders who don't presume to be superior to others - he keeps insisting that the elven gods were not gods, they define the antithesis of what he tries to achieve with his rebellion, and I think he wants to see a kind of kinship between his revolt and the Inquisition, i.e. between the two leaders (the core of the institution, in other words), Lavellan and himself.

 

As to the ordinary hero archetype: it's one of the most classic ones. And honestly, I sometimes find it a little boring. I was raised on that kind of fantasy since I was a gurgling babe, and I still love it, but sometimes I feel like storytellers are afraid of creating confident leaders who acknowledge their difference from other people because everyone assumes they're on a superiority trip, that they're arrogant. Being a good leader and acknowledging your special nature should not be mutually exclusive. In fact, I would argue that Harry, for instance, could actually be defined as the type of hero I'm talking about: he is special and though he is ordinary in many ways, it's the extraordinary that make him into the legendary Harry Potter, vanquisher of Voldemort and his minions, and Harry does grow into that. He's bothered when things don't go the way he planned, he even feels entitled at some points when he tips over the edge, and ultimately he is forced to face the fact that he is not like anyone else. He is taught that even putting aside the "victim of circumstance" specialness, he is still special anyway, because he does amazing things that no one else can do, and he grows into a confident leader of his small group of friends and acquaintances by embracing the fact that he has the key to changing the world.

 

One reason why I might argue that in this case at least the "I'm normal" meaning leans more towards false modesty is because it's a game designed to set you up as a strong, decisive leader who succeeds against incredible odds - your Lavellan is freaking amazing. To not acknowledge that, to say that she's "just normal" would simply attribute all of those accomplishments to luck and circumstance, yet you command the kind of influence over the world that literally nobody can match, you defeat powerful enemies (like ancient magisters who set themselves up as gods, dragons, politics and I could go on). Some of that has to come from the seed of personality in you. You need the strength, the willpower, the innovation, the daring, and so many more qualities to be able to pull this off. So IMO, it is kind of a false humility to blush and shrug that you're nobody special. Also, I don't like it because it's also the expected response of a "good" leader, you can deflect the praise and remain humble with some of the other dialogue options and not deny that you are different in some way.

 

Putting that aside, though: even if we disregard the Inquisitor's self as attributing to their awesomeness, what we agree upon is that you can be a hero without being "born that way" or being special inherently, but what I'm saying is that this is not enough to make you a strong leader. I would say that a lot of ordinary people would fail miserably as Inquisitor - so maybe you are one of a dozen instead of one of a million, one of those who could successfully command the Inquisition, but that still makes you pretty damn special. To pretend you're just anyone from one of many Dalish clans is, frankly, ridiculous, especially when you play as an elf, a fringe minority despised and shut out of politics and common society - that means you have to be a pretty special elf to rise to your station. Remember, they could have just kept you as a prisoner and hauled you out in chains to seal rifts as soon as they found out there's nothing about you that makes you special apart from being a victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

Anyway, I think we actually agree, but as usual, I have to write a wall of text to find that out. x_x Sorry...

[CapricornSun]

Art post

 

Some more Solavellan fluff comics from theresa-draws. 

Continuation of her previous ones: Mornings, Pillow Marks, Morning Kisses?

Spoiler

Source: http://theresa-draws...olavellan-crowd

 

 

Gorgeous artwork of Solas and Lavellan at Halamshiral.

Spoiler

Source: http://nemileh.tumbl...-tanadahl-solas

 

 

If Solas told Lavellan his true identity. 

Spoiler

Source: http://beginnerfanar...ld-her-his-true

 

 

 

Shirtless Solas.   (NSFW-ish maybe?)

Spoiler

Source: http://destinyaposta...irtless-elves-ツ

 

 

Solas has a nice physique. (NSFW for dat ass.  )

Spoiler

Source: http://oddmoy.tumblr...lly-does-have-a

 

 

What does Solas do all night in the Fade?

Spoiler

Source: http://fiyasgideon.t...n-the-fade-well

 

[Cee]

That last one.

[Renmiri1]

From DA page on facebook

[Cee]

Listening to Lost Elf Theme.

 

 

[Cee]

Ugh, the quiet violins at the end of Dark Solas.

[Eliantariel]

 Does anyone know which PJ mod is that? I've just gone through the ones on Nexus again but I must be blind, I cannot find it.
I love the detail on the arms..   

(Yes.. I am planning another PT with a Lavellan Solasmancer.. not sure why. I recently redid a quick run with Trevelyan to record her story in videos and she was re-made quite nicely, with mods, nice dresses and such. Even updated her Commander with a more sexier and wild look... So now I have perfect videos and screens of Trev.
But! My poor Lavellan never experienced being spoiled like this! So I think I will re-do her from the beginning with more mods, some updates to Solas' face texture, a nice pj and a nice Halam'shiral dress.. etc etc. I do not fear the pain any longer. Bring it on!).

 

The pyjama mod is from Luna from here: http://www.nexusmods...tion/mods/589/?

 

It is the wing version.