Does he actually say growing up or just something about being a young man/mage in a small village to the north? I vaguely remember listening to that again and thinking that the theory still worked without him lying.
I believe to a rival Quizzy in Haven he will say something like "My childhood in a village to the north"
Something like that. I'll see if I can find a video.
Go to about 2:49.
He does tell a bald-faced lie the first time you encounter veil-fire, saying he has never seen it before.
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Cassandra: I've wondered: How did you know to approach us, Solas?
Cassandra: The Breach opened, we were scrambling and barely had time to think... and there you were.
Solas: I went to see the Breach for myself. I did not know you would be there.
Cassandra: You must not have been far away.
Solas: I was not. I'd come to hear of the Conclave, but did not want to get close.
Cassandra: Hmm. Lucky for us, then.
I don't really hear any lies in there, he just neglects to mention that he wants to hear about the Conclave because of Cory's plans for it.
Hmm. Given what dawnstone posted, its possible Solas hasn't actually told any outright lies.
Here is the banter with Cass about being an apostate.
Cassandra: Solas, have you always lived alone? Out in the wilderness, as an apostate?
Solas: For the most part.
Cassandra: Would that not be incredibly trying?
Solas: People can be trying, mankind most of all.
Cassandra: That... is an excellent point.
Ah. OK, the veil fire thing is a flat out lie. Especially since his temple is full of the stuff!
I know, right! I have to wonder how he justifies it to himself.
"No, I can't seem too knowledgeable. Do mages in this time know anything at all about veilfire? I think I may have seen it mentioned in one book. That terrible, terrible, treatise on ancient elven cooking methods. Hmm, perhaps I should play dumb this time."
Cassandra: I've wondered: How did you know to approach us, Solas?
Cassandra: The Breach opened, we were scrambling and barely had time to think... and there you were.
Solas: I went to see the Breach for myself. I did not know you would be there.
Cassandra: You must not have been far away.
Solas: I was not. I'd come to hear of the Conclave, but did not want to get close.
Cassandra: Hmm. Lucky for us, then.
I don't really hear any lies in there, he just neglects to mention that he wants to hear about the Conclave because of Cory's plans for it.
Hmm. Given what dawnstone posted, its possible Solas hasn't actually told any outright lies.
Here is the banter with Cass about being an apostate.
Cassandra: Solas, have you always lived alone? Out in the wilderness, as an apostate?
Solas: For the most part.
Cassandra: Would that not be incredibly trying?
Solas: People can be trying, mankind most of all.
Cassandra: That... is an excellent point.
Ah. OK, the veil fire thing is a flat out lie. Especially since his temple is full of the stuff!
I don't know that the Temple of Solasan is *his* temple precisely. His name is an actual word in the elven language so it's going to be used even when it doesn't necessarily apply to him.
I don't know that the Temple of Solasan is *his* temple precisely. His name is an actual word in the elven language so it's going to be used even when it doesn't necessarily apply to him.
I think they're talking about the Temple of Fen'Harel in Trespasser, which is brimming with veilfire and requires it to solve several puzzles and proceed with the game.
I think they're talking about the Temple of Fen'Harel in Trespasser, which is brimming with veilfire and requires it to solve several puzzles and proceed with the game.
Durrrr ... lol.
Moar caffeine!
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This made my morning.
Me too. Pinned it right to Pinterest.
Me too. Pinned it right to Pinterest.
*checks out translator in signature*
This......
This is pretty awesome......even if it is pretty much made up I mean......I could maybe use this.
*checks out translator in signature*
This......
This is pretty awesome......even if it is pretty much made up I mean......I could maybe use this.
The guy who wrote the conlang that is based on the DA elven fragments being used in that particular translator, said that the constructions are not grammatically correct to the language he came up with (someone else fed his conlang into lingojam, along with the official DA elven words, citing fair use), but I guess no one except an extreme pedant is going to check grammar on a made-up incomplete language.
The guy who wrote the conlang that is based on the DA elven fragments being used in that particular translator, said that the constructions are not grammatically correct to the language he came up with (someone else fed his conlang into lingojam, citing fair use), but I guess no one except an extreme pedant is going to check grammar on a made-up incomplete language.
......if someone is going to be a grammar pain over....as you correctly put it......a made-up incomplete language....
TF are you doing reading fanfiction, bro?!?!?!
No, really.
*checks out translator in signature*
This......
This is pretty awesome......even if it is pretty much made up I mean......I could maybe use this.
When playing Everquest 1 and 2, I learned and used a "drow" language to use with roleplay. To not be annoying, I kept it down to a few dos = you, vendui= hello, etc, the common stuff so people could understand what was said by context. LOTS of people used this "teir'dal pidgeon" speak.
Since playing Dragon Age I've become obsessed with the elven language of this world. Whoever did this translator put a lot of work into it and I've checked a lot of phrases from the game against it.
Some nerds learn Klingon, this one has an obsession for the language of the Elhevan.
......if someone is going to be a grammar pain over....as you correctly put it......a made-up incomplete language....
TF are you doing reading fanfiction, bro?!?!?!
No, really.
I personally don't use that conlang because I disagree with some of the ways he's translated other phrases from in game, and find a lot of his created words and phrases sound awkward and ugly. I'd rather just mention they're switching back and forth from elven, if there's something that needs to be said in length.
Well if before the veil the fade and the waking world were combined, then technically he did see it in the fade. What are the times he bald faced lies?
"I did nothing."
The first words out of his mouth. I am so on to you, Solas. It reminds me of Anders in Awakening and his "I didn't do it."
http://momoconteng.t...lf-the-toymaker
Yes, Santa Blackwall, have your elf friend make me a Dread Wolf toy. XD
*leaves some art*
WIP by Aimo: The Elf and the Toy Maker (Solas and Blackwall) 
(EDIT: Wow! 
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Solas sleeping (with a sleeping lizard on his shoulder) for the color palette meme. 
Solas (and the lizard) in shades for the color palette meme. 
Solas and Lavellan in an embrace.
Male Lavellan x Solas tarot card.
That's an odd thing to say.
Why odd? He does avoid lying. Even his writer calls him "a liar who doesn't lie". That doesn't mean he never does it 
Kinda like me - I generally try not to lie, since I'm awful at it. Doesn't mean that I don't always um... modify the truth in my favor 
That, and the claim that he'd lived as a wandering apostate most of his life while it was just for one year.
Actually, he never directly said that - that part is simply assumed and he does little to correct it.
Besides - we don't know how much time he spent as an equivalent of a wandering apostate (apostate is, by dictionary definition, a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle - and considering that he was a leader of a rebellion that was aimed at overthrowing false gods, we can pretty much safely say that Fen'Harel was pretty much almost always an apostate, despite the definition of the word in current Thedas shifting slightly) during time of Elvenhan; we do know however that Evanuris did warn the People that "the Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits."
So when Cassandra asks "Solas, have you always lived alone? Out in the wilderness, as an apostate?" and he answers "For the most part" you can either assume that he says "for the most part in Veiled world", or you can actually interpret it as an insight of how his life indeed looked like.
I mean, we do know that he was involved in some sort of grand war and that he apparently served as a guardian for Mythal, but we can't yet assume that it was most of his life. It might be that after the job was done and he helped the Evanuris, he might have been let go of his obligations and indeed spent most of his time wandering and learning of the Fade, only to come back to the civilization and see how much wrong happened since he left, or perhaps shifted his perspective or maybe found no other solution other than rebellion to overthrow the Evanuris.
Or we can assume that the "wilderness" was indeed the Fade and he spend most of his life studying it. Neither would really be a lie, especially if you consider the symbolism of his Hermit tarot card.
He does tell a bald-faced lie the first time you encounter veil-fire, saying he has never seen it before.
That's not a lie. I mean, the Veil-fire is called the VEIL-fire! It means that it's something connected to the Veil - and Solas never personally saw the Veiled world prior to him waking up, so by extension he likely never physically saw the Veil-fire prior to that. That doesn't mean that the Veil-fire isn't technically something that originated form a similar spell, but it is apparently a distinct new invention, created after the Veil has shrouded the world.
I think they're talking about the Temple of Fen'Harel in Trespasser, which is brimming with veilfire and requires it to solve several puzzles and proceed with the game.
Aside form the fact that it may not be technically Veilfire (how can ancient elves call something VEIL-fire prior to the Veil? Or how could be memory of a fire lit where the Veil is thin before the Veil had existed??), who said that the temple was left exactly in a state Fen'Harel left it? We do know that many ancient elves have survived the creation of the Veil - and they might as well used his sanctuary after the collapse of the civilization, maybe even transforming into some form of a cult (I mean, aside from the fact that we do know that there were/are still people working for him even prior to the collapse, i.e. Felassan, who likely didn't spend so much time in uthenera as their exhausted leader).
They might have lit the Veilfire, just like the elves who got trapped in Vir Dirthara (and we know that they did) might have crafted the Veilfire out of an older spell, perhaps in order to try and escape the library.
I'm thinking, "growing up in a small village to the north", whilst vague is still probably far enough from the truth that you could call it a lie. Although as I type this I realise I think it's a lie because I subscribe to the theory that Solas was a spirit before. So I may be completely wrong about that. And Solas may also be talking in metaphors. Who knows hehe.
I don't see how "growing up in a small village" is incongruous with him being a spirit before - I mean, he distinctly tells us that he grew up in a small village, not that he was technically born in it (though even if he didn't, that doesn't negate his origin as a spirit as well... especially given that everyone might have originated that way, even if they don't remember it).
He does tell Sera that "we were all young once", so it can be safely assumed that those spirits that manifested outside of the Fade need some time to do some growing up. If anything, that suggest that he might not have just been forcefully yanked from the Fade by Mythal, but she convinced him to manifest from the Fade and gave him some time to adjust.
Also... look at Cole. He might have not been 'born' in a traditional way, or anywhere near Inquisition, I'm pretty sure he can legitimately say that he did partially grew up in Skyhold.
Solas (and the lizard) in shades for the color palette meme.
Love it.
That's not a lie. I mean, the Veil-fire is called the VEIL-fire! It means that it's something connected to the Veil - and Solas never personally saw the Veiled world prior to him waking up, so by extension he likely never physically saw the Veil-fire prior to that. That doesn't mean that the Veil-fire isn't technically something that originated form a similar spell, but it is apparently a distinct new invention, created after the Veil has shrouded the world.
Aside form the fact that it may not be technically Veilfire (how can ancient elves call something VEIL-fire prior to the Veil? Or how could be memory of a fire lit where the Veil is thin before the Veil had existed??), who said that the temple was left exactly in a state Fen'Harel left it? We do know that many ancient elves have survived the creation of the Veil - and they might as well used his sanctuary after the collapse of the civilization, maybe even transforming into some form of a cult (I mean, aside from the fact that we do know that there were/are still people working for him even prior to the collapse, i.e. Felassan, who likely didn't spend so much time in uthenera as their exhausted leader).
They might have lit the Veilfire, just like the elves who got trapped in Vir Dirthara (and we know that they did) might have crafted the Veilfire out of an older spell, perhaps in order to try and escape the library.
Hmmm, it might not be a lie on the technicality that he called it something different in his day, but just because I call cheese cheese and not fromage, doesn't make fromage not cheese. Though if he was originally a Pride demon that sort of hair-splitting would be something he might find acceptable when playing with the truth - if any of that makes sense.
I think, that if he said that he'd never seen/used Veilfire before and then later Quizzy sees it all over his temple, they are going to draw the conclusion that they were lied to (over something that at that point is almost insignificant next to the grand omissions that he is guilty of). Even if, technically, "Veil-fire" isn't exactly the same as it was in ancient Elvhenan, or called the same thing, it looks like and acts like something he would likely be familiar with. In my opinion, of course. I don't want him to have lied, but it could easily be construed that he did.
Also, if Quizzy calls him out for lying, after defending himself that it was only by omission, he does apologize - thus, he is aware that he has wronged the Inquisitor and admits that their perception is valid.
Alright, question time: Is Solas really immortal?
We learn the Veil was created.It's creation separated Elves from the Fade and it's magic. So they started dying of old age (confirmed by Solas in Trespasser dialogue).
So... why Solas (and Abelas and the other guardians from the Temple of Mythal, and why not Felassan from the Masked Empire) are not aging?
How could they remain in Unthenara when all this happened? How can magic protect them and not the other elves?
Alright, question time: Is Solas really immortal?
We learn the Veil was created.It's creation separated Elves from the Fade and it's magic. So they started dying of old age (confirmed by Solas in Trespasser dialogue).
So... why Solas (and Abelas and the other guardians from the Temple of Mythal, and why not Felassan from the Masked Empire) are not aging?
How could they remain in Unthenara when all this happened? How can magic protect them and not the other elves?
I don't think anyone really knows although we can always theorize. It's entirely possible that elven immortality depended on a constant, conscious connection to the Fade that the Veil removed for most of them. Some Dalish stories (caveat about Dalish stories) say that the ancient elves in uthenera could learn to draw sustenance from the Fade itself .. it's possible that's partially true and that's how Abelas and Solas don't age. Abelas also says that the Sentinel elves only wake to defend the temple which implies the rest of the time they're asleep or possibly in uthenera.
For all that DAI and Trespasser showed us about the elves there's still so much we don't know. I'd ask someone to pose these questions on Twitter (not having an account myself nor the desire to create one) but the most likely answer we'd get would be, "Spoilers!" or something similar.
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