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[Cee]

These are definitely spoiler things that some have asked and no answers will come yet.

[Elessara]

These are definitely spoiler things that some have asked and no answers will come yet.

 

 

BUT I WANT TO KNOW NOW!  *pout*

 

This waiting thing sucks.  Would they just get around to announcing DA4 already?! 

 

/temper tantrum

 

.....

 

Ok, I'm done.  Calmer now.  Thanks.

[MayriyaNoori]

BUT I WANT TO KNOW NOW!  *pout*

 

This waiting thing sucks.  Would they just get around to announcing DA4 already?! 

 

/temper tantrum

 

.....

 

Ok, I'm done.  Calmer now.  Thanks.

[LadyKarrakaz]

I'm sure we'll find an answer, the devs love to leave us hints...

And remember, we predicted Flemeth was Mythal in this very thread.

[midnight tea]

Hmmm, it might not be a lie on the technicality that he called it something different in his day, but just because I call cheese cheese and not fromage, doesn't make fromage not cheese. Though if he was originally a Pride demon that sort of hair-splitting would be something he might find acceptable when playing with the truth - if any of that makes sense.

 

I think, that if he said that he'd never seen/used Veilfire before and then later Quizzy sees it all over his temple, they are going to draw the conclusion that they were lied to (over something that at that point is almost insignificant next to the grand omissions that he is guilty of). Even if, technically, "Veil-fire" isn't exactly the same as it was in ancient Elvhenan, or called the same thing, it looks like and acts like something he would likely be familiar with. In my opinion, of course. I don't want him to have lied, but it could easily be construed that he did.

 

Also, if Quizzy calls him out for lying, after defending himself that it was only by omission, he does apologize - thus, he is aware that he has wronged the Inquisitor and admits that their perception is valid.

 

But that's assuming that Veilfire and.. um... pre-veilfire are a different kind of cheese... but one if one is cheese and another one is milk? There's enough of a distinction between the two, even if one stems from the other.

 

Besides - and I realize that this is going into territory of pointless semantics game here - there are enough of distinct kind of cheeses that differ wildly between one another, despite technically all being a cheeses  Like, I'm certainly familiar quark, but I never saw or tried casu marzu (... nor I think I ever want to ). Both are different in how they're made, heck - one is from cow's milk and another is form sheep's.

 

In either case, as vague as some of his answers are, Solas strikes me as a person who's very much about precision or accuracy - hence, when he says that he didn't see the Veilfire (something that, as name suggests, is specifically connected to the Veil he created and never saw it himself prior to waking up from his slumber), technically it wasn't a big, fat lie - even if he indeed used such little fact as a form of diversion.

[Gwyvian]

It's to respect the choices of those who may have headcanoned their Inquisitor as asexual, or had been uncomfortable with the idea of sex in the relationship given how much Solas was holding back.

 

Yeah, I get that to a degree. But by this token I would still say that someone headcanoning their Inquisitor as asexual would have been uncomfortable with almost all the other romances, too, so they're forced to either pick Josie or Solas (which is similar to other gating). I was trying to open a debate on whether or not this was executed in the right way especially considering who Solas is; but I'm feeling alone with the sentiments I expressed so I'll just shut up now and pretend this never happened.

 

So! The debate is on Solas lying: I'd say that Solas is willing to lie when it's necessary, but he dislikes being forced to by circumstance (e.g. the Halamshiral near-reveal).

 

As to the immortality thing - I wonder, is Solas (and Abelas for that matter) mortal temporarily? While they're not connected to the Fade, i.e. not asleep, do they age bit by bit, or do they consume enough of the Fade power to sustain them, kind of like a day and night sleep cycle?

[Illyria]

Yeah, I get that to a degree. But by this token I would still say that someone headcanoning their Inquisitor as asexual would have been uncomfortable with almost all the other romances, too, so they're forced to either pick Josie or Solas (which is similar to other gating). I was trying to open a debate on whether or not this was executed in the right way especially considering who Solas is; but I'm feeling alone with the sentiments I expressed so I'll just shut up now and pretend this never happened.

 

So! The debate is on Solas lying: I'd say that Solas is willing to lie when it's necessary, but he dislikes being forced to by circumstance (e.g. the Halamshiral near-reveal).

 

As to the immortality thing - I wonder, is Solas (and Abelas for that matter) mortal temporarily? While they're not connected to the Fade, i.e. not asleep, do they age bit by bit, or do they consume enough of the Fade power to sustain them, kind of like a day and night sleep cycle?

 

This is why I think it's seriously important to have an openly asexual character (Josie and Solas can be interpreted as ace, but it requires you to ignore some dialouge and that's not fair on ace players) or give the player character the option to turn down sex scenes and not feel like they're choosing the bad option in the romance (like having an alt scene of the player character and LI cuddling or something).

[Gwyvian]

This is why I think it's seriously important to have an openly asexual character (Josie and Solas can be interpreted as ace, but it requires you to ignore some dialouge and that's not fair on ace player) or give the player character the option to turn down sex scenes and not feel like they're choosing the bad option in the romance (like having an alt scene of the player character and LI cuddling or something).

 

See, this is exactly what I was saying (or trying to say); I like this idea much better. Why can't we choose whether or not to have an intimate relationship? It would be a totally easy thing to implement, just make a dialogue choice of the Inquisitor informing her LI ahead of time that she's not interested in a physical relationship, and that way everyone is happy. Those who don't want it can play the entire game without having to ignore dialogue, hints and cutscenes, and those who do want it aren't shorted out of one. Yes, that still doesn't solve the potential issue of Solas being so powerful and keeping so many secrets. But I still say that Bioware hasn't shied away so far from dramatic betrayals (what was Anders if not a really, really colossal betrayal?), and if Anders was your LI they did have a physical relationship, so I find it a weak argument that just because Solas is who he is, we're not going to show a cutscene, only imply that something happened. I can't help but feel that the real reason was that the Solasmance was last minute and they just legitimized it.

[Illyria]

See, this is exactly what I was saying (or trying to say); I like this idea much better. Why can't we choose whether or not to have an intimate relationship? It would be a totally easy thing to implement, just make a dialogue choice of the Inquisitor informing her LI ahead of time that she's not interested in a physical relationship, and that way everyone is happy. Those who don't want it can play the entire game without having to ignore dialogue, hints and cutscenes, and those who do want it aren't shorted out of one. Yes, that still doesn't solve the potential issue of Solas being so powerful and keeping so many secrets. But I still say that Bioware hasn't shied away so far from dramatic betrayals (what was Anders if not a really, really colossal betrayal?), and if Anders was your LI they did have a physical relationship, so I find it a weak argument that just because Solas is who he is, we're not going to show a cutscene, only imply that something happened. I can't help but feel that the real reason was that the Solasmance was last minute and they just legitimized it.

 

I think having an actually asexual LI would be an interesting route to go in addition to allowing the player to play an ace character.

[dawnstone]

This is why I think it's seriously important to have an openly asexual character (Josie and Solas can be interpreted as ace, but it requires you to ignore some dialouge and that's not fair on ace players) or give the player character the option to turn down sex scenes and not feel like they're choosing the bad option in the romance (like having an alt scene of the player character and LI cuddling or something).

Yeah, also, the devs were kind of blase about it - like taking into consideration asexuality was never really on the table. Getting the overtly sexual stuff in, seems like it is a priority for selling to the 18+ audience. And they did that, while at the same time creating diversity in the types of relationships and the broader spectrum of sexual preferences. Unfortunately it seems, someone is always going to get left out. 

 

When it was brought forward by fans that the relationships without an explicit sex scene might be read as asexual, they were kind of "Okay, sure, if that works for you, awesome!" than, "We wanted to make sure asexual players had a romance they were comfortable with."

[Elessara]

It is truly awesome that Bioware has increased the diversity of the companions and the types of relationships you can have.  However, as a game with limited resources there's only so much they can do.  So I'm going to cut them some slack in this area.

[dawnstone]

It is truly awesome that Bioware has increased the diversity of the companions and the types of relationships you can have.  However, as a game with limited resources there's only so much they can do.  So I'm going to cut them some slack in this area.

Seriously, the Solas romance is pure genius. The writers milked every second, managed to have the same words have massively different implications depending on how the scene was approached. The balcony scene is amazing for this. So little extra content, but they made what was there count. So yeah, I guess even without an explicit sex scene, the romance worked for me. 

[Gwyvian]

*sigh* I'm depressed. Just ignore my griping everyone, I'll get over it. Solas-torment is not doing me any favors at this point.

[Cee]

*sigh* I'm depressed. Just ignore my griping everyone, I'll get over it. Solas-torment is not doing me any favors at this point.

 

You're in the right place.

 

It took most of us time to process.

[Cee]

Seriously, the Solas romance is pure genius. The writers milked every second, managed to have the same words have massively different implications depending on how the scene was approached. The balcony scene is amazing for this. So little extra content, but they made what was there count. So yeah, I guess even without an explicit sex scene, the romance worked for me. 

 

Since it was my first romance in the game and had no idea what to expect, or that the scenes were mostly recycled and extended, it worked for me. My biggest issues were that I always ran out of dialogue with Solas because I talked to him so much, so I only had Vhenan/Dareth shiral for long stretches. I thought there would be more coming as the pacing felt off and there were no optional 'go spend time together' prompts.

 

The issue is the pacing, IMO, due to plot critical stuff. And I forgive that now. They did a really great job with the whole romance and what they had to work with.

 

And they did make some thoughtful considerations, such as not making him bi to avoid possible tropes.

[LadyKarrakaz]

This made me laugh (source)

 

[midnight tea]

You're in the right place.

 

It took most of us time to process.

 

... I'm not really sure I processed it all xD; How long it's been... 2 months. And it's likely more than 2 years before we'd hear any concrete news about DA4... I think this is the worst part of it all ;(

[Gwyvian]

You're in the right place.

 

It took most of us time to process.

 

I spent all this time waiting for Trespasser and now that I've got it and I've finished it I have nothing to look forward to and everything is empty and sad. (I'm depressed anyway, this is just the icing on the cake.)

[Cee]

... I'm not really sure I processed it all xD; How long it's been... 2 months. And it's likely more than 2 years before we'd hear any concrete news about DA4... I think this is the worst part of it all ;(

 

I only meant the initial processing. This continues.

[NightSymphony]

Not Solas....but I wanted to share this silly comic about archers

http://tamarandom.de...w-Pew-573651805

[Kadan]

Not Solas....but I wanted to share this silly comic about archers

http://tamarandom.de...w-Pew-573651805

That was me the first time I played, then I was like screw this I'm gonna be a mage!

[Cee]

That was me the first time I played, then I was like screw this I'm gonna be a mage!

 

I always play dagger-wielding rogues. At least stabbing something is a bit more direct.

[Kadan]

I always play dagger-wielding rogues. At least stabbing something is a bit more direct.

I try, I even played one for a few hours last night, but I forget I have to actually move close to the intended target, unlike DA:O and DA:II where you click and they move then attack. I waste so many moves because I'm not close enough. I completely suck at melee fighting!

[Uirebhiril]

Aw, I had lots of fun as an archer in DAI. First game where I didn't feel penalized for choosing it. And you want some real fun? Tempest archer. Come at me, bro, indeed.

[Gwyvian]

I always play dagger-wielding rogues. At least stabbing something is a bit more direct.

 

Same for me. Oh, I've tried out other characters and I admit a mage or two has seduced me since they turned out pretty well, but I find other classes/weapons generally frustrating (ESPECIALLY because no one can pick a lock like I can). All my canons are dagger-wielding rogues. All my new games start out as rogues. All my replays somehow end up being rogues. Almost every time I sit in front of a CC I try very hard to pick something else and I battle the feelings of dissatisfaction until I cave in and change the class to a dagger-wielding rogue. Any character that isn't a rogue ends up being abandoned after a while because nothing can top the thrill of playing a rogue. I just really love Daggers.