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[Cee]

I don't mind facial hair, it just bugs me when people draw him with it because Solas can't have a beard canonically. Elves can't grow facial hair, just like a child born from a human/elf pair can't have pointed ears, as the child will always reflect the non-elf parent. It's funny that Bioware wrote elves not to be able to have beards tho, and still give you a bunch of skins for the male elves that have visible stubble. So annoying and inconsistent.

I almost used one when I created my male Lavellan before realizing he had stubble. 'Remember, you're creating an elf...'

 

I should reroll him to fix the world state and get on with that playthrough.

[Cee]

How do you think my elf sprouted his glorious moustache?

[lynroy]

 

And I'm out of likes.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Still, I can't help but to think that the game is especially vicious to Lavellans and especially Lavellans who romance Solas - last time I played mine, every time there was a romance scene I couldn't just help and think "you poor girl" And then comes Trespasser and it feels like every time they hit a bottom they find out there's another one underneath And with the situation with elves as it is (who are they rounded up by and to what end?), with them probably probably being endangered with new bout of hatred from others for some of them conspiring with the Qunari - never mind Solas plans - they're sort of caught between hammer and anvil. On one side they can't join Solas (either because they don't want to see world burn or he just denies her) and fight for fellow elves, on the other they have to fight for a world that may be increasingly hostile towards her :/

 

Ouch.  Starting my morning with a good, healthy hellspiral 

 

Ah, the irony.  My Lavellan, who is my most heroic and emotionally stable DA PC at character creation, gets the kicked puppy treatment.  No good deed goes unpunished, I guess 

[Tess]

Double shudder for breaking canon and personal turn off. But who knows, folks that find facial hair attractive should be able to enjoy their Solas to the fullest.

I love my husband's beard (it's trimmed, not like Blackwall) and I love (not too overly) hairy men. Not talking hair on back, but normal coverage, most Arabs and southern nations fill that category.

 

I shudder at the thought of Solas with beard/goatee or too much (if any) body hair. It just doesn't fit the character at all, imo. But whatever people want...

[FernRain]

Blackwall's lips are wrinkly and hard looking. That was a nope factor in my head.

[Arshes Nei]

Reading through the posts with BW and elven body hair made me think of the post someone made that BW stole all the beards. *Laughs like a crazy person while people slowly back away from the weirdo cackling to themselves....*

 

Solas Related!: So I was going through banters last night, trying to get some inspiration and get dialogue fitting to character when I perked up for the King's Gambit chess match with Iron Bull. So theory me this theory wizards!:

 

What if Solas sacrificing his Queen was not telling that he would sacrifice Lavellan, but Mythal? Remember she was betrayed by someone close. If for instance, he believed at the time that letting her die would give him time/what he needed to finish the Veil for whatever reason....Just an idea. I mean we don't know why it became so important to put up the Veil in "order to save them. Not because it was right."

[Uirebhiril]

What if Solas sacrificing his Queen was not telling that he would sacrifice Lavellan, but Mythal? Remember she was betrayed by someone close. If for instance, he believed at the time that letting her die would give him time/what he needed to finish the Veil for whatever reason....Just an idea. I mean we don't know why it became so important to put up the Veil in "order to save them. Not because it was right."

 

I kind of already figured that if there was a point being made with that whole queen sacrificing move that it was meant as Mythal. He has that chess game with Bull whether you're a female Lavellan or not.

 

It really does feel like the game is best played with a romanced Lavellan for the implications and plot and feelings, so it can be hard to remember that not everything should be viewed as if that were canon.  

[almasy87]

That's an interesting idea about Solas being stuck in that place.

But that line Cole said is very likely to be about the giant Saarebas we had to fight and the Vidassala. Qunari Saarebas are bound in some way to their overseers.

Ha... I feel so naive now. 
I kept giving that sentence a completely different meaning To me the first time it was "He (Solas) can't be too far from her (Lavellan) or it hurts him" (for some reason I thought being too far away from the Anchor was bad for him and that it was one of the reasons why he was around Lavellan). That was my angry/depressed interpretation.
Second time, I changed my view into "He (Solas) can't be too far from her (Lavellan) or it hurts him (not physically but mentally, as in it makes him sad). I guess that was just wishful thinking     

Not a single time has the idea that "her" could be Mythal, or that it could be about Saraath and Viddasala, struck my mind.

Bless me.... or should I say "Andraste preserve me.."?

[Arshes Nei]

I kind of already figured that if there was a point being made with that whole queen sacrificing move that it was meant as Mythal. He has that chess game with Bull whether you're a female Lavellan or not.

 

It really does feel like the game is best played with a romanced Lavellan for the implications and plot and feelings, so it can be hard to remember that not everything should be viewed as if that were canon.

I noticed that as well. I was just thinking that it was more along the lines that it's to give an indication of how far he would go for 'duty' or to win. I mean if you romanced/befriended him this is viewed as a giant 'oh no he's so calculating!', which it is. But I don't see many posts with anyone saying that Solas may have been willing or did sacrifice Mythal to get what he perceived was the right choice. Solas and Mythal are generally thought to be on friendly terms even if they may have disagreed, so him betraying her doesn't come up often; at least from what i have seen. Could be wrong!

[drosophila]

Bless me.... or should I say "Andraste preserve me.."?

 

I considered turning to Andraste after Solas revealed in the main game that the Creators were as*holes. Then Tresspasser somewhat dissuaded me from believing in the Maker. 

 

Now I only swear by the Void and the slow arrow.

[Kadan]

I don't think Mythal would be hugging him in that scene if he had betrayed her earlier. I also think she knew what would happen, either she possessed him, or knew he would need her power. It looks like something floats through the eluvian before Solas absorbs it, and we know she sends something through prior to addressing him. It's all so mysterious and vague, just like much of the information we are given about the ancient elves.

[Arshes Nei]

I don't think Mythal would be hugging him in that scene if he had betrayed her earlier. I also think she knew what would happen, either she possessed him, or knew he would need her power. It looks like something floats through the eluvian before Solas absorbs it, and we know she sends something through prior to addressing him. It's all so mysterious and vague, just like much of the information we are given about the ancient elves.

Ahh..But would she be willing to forgive enough that she would allow him to use her power to bring the Veil down so she can get her revenge on the other gods, then take out Solas? I believe yes, yes she would. Especially if it achieves her goals. More than anyone else, Flemeth/Mythal is be best chess master of them all. She knows how to play an end game.

[drosophila]

More than anyone else, Flemeth/Mythal is be best chess master of them all. She knows how to play an end game.

 

Yes to this, I think Mythal is playing him. Also I don't think she's really dead, there's a piece of her somewhere. Dragon mama has been killed a few times too many, so she probably took precautions. 

 

I think she will show up again and it will end sadly for Solas. 

[Arshes Nei]

Double post sorry.

 

If say, Solas didn't directly kill her, more like say didn't warn or let the 'gods' do what they wanted. Then that's still a betrayal and he did have a hand in her death. Plus from what Solas vaguely alludes to is something happening to him by either bringing down the Veil or afterwards. He probably knows he's next when the others are dealt with. Also, when the after credits for DAI play, doesn't he say something to Flemythal before taking her power that makes it sound like he should be punished and he knows it?   

[drosophila]

Double post sorry.

 

If say, Solas didn't directly kill her, more like say didn't warn or let the 'gods' do what they wanted. Then that's still a betrayal and he did have a hand in her death. Plus from what Solas vaguely alludes to is something happening to him by either bringing down the Veil or afterwards. He probably knows he's next when the others are dealt with. Also, when the after credits for DAI play, doesn't he say something to Flemythal before taking her power that makes it sound like he should be punished and he knows it?   

 

He says, "I should be the one to pay the price, but the People... they still need me."

 

Don't know what to make of this line, honestly. I think it might imply that now Mythal will pay the price instead because of what he does to her. Or so he thinks. 

[Arshes Nei]

He says, "I should be the one to pay the price, but the People... they still need me."

 

 

Why Solas, WHY????!!! Why must you be so vague!!!!! This line drove me bonkers, still does

[Kadan]

Solas doesn't seem to be the type to pass blame to another if he is responsible. I doubt he would say 'they' killed her if he was the one that had betrayed her. Do I think Mythal has plans? Most assuredly and Solas may be an unwitting pawn. If anyone would betray another I see Mythal as the betrayer.

 

Solas takes betrayal very seriously (Felassan) So either he's expecting to die (by Trespasser) because he did finally betray her after the fight with Corypheus, or she is using him.

[Arshes Nei]

Solas doesn't seem to be the type to pass blame to another if he is responsible. I doubt he would say 'they' killed her if he was the one that had betrayed her.  or she is using him.

Oh Flemythal is definitely using him i have no doubt. As to the other part, that's where it becomes muddled for me. He likes to omit things so yes 'they' did kill her, but leaves out the part where he let them .

 

Where I don't think this is exactly what happened, it is one of many different thoughts I have every time I listen or play DAI/Trespasser. Its great that a character can bring about alternate theories and have people unable to firmly side with one idea over another.

[midnight tea]

Double shudder for breaking canon and personal turn off. But who knows, folks that find facial hair attractive should be able to enjoy their Solas to the fullest.

 

... Well I think someone has to tell him that one grows hair on his head, because after so many years of sleeping I think he forgot about it and he mostly grows it on his shoulder

[Sable Rhapsody]

Solas doesn't seem to be the type to pass blame to another if he is responsible. I doubt he would say 'they' killed her if he was the one that had betrayed her. Do I think Mythal has plans? Most assuredly and Solas may be an unwitting pawn. If anyone would betray another I see Mythal as the betrayer.

 

I admit, I don't like the idea of Solas being Mythal's pawn.  For me, at least, it would cheapen his character and defang him as a villain if someone else was manipulating him.  Solas never tries to dodge responsibility for stuff he's done, and I feel like saying it's Mythal pulling his strings would kill that very important aspect of his character.  Like saying all the damage he's caused was ultimately someone else's fault.

 

One of the things I really like about the antagonists of the DA setting is how human they are, and how they become the agents of their own destruction.   No one made Meredith go insane.  No one told Loghain to kill the Wardens.  Yes, they can be influenced by outside factors (the red lyrium idol, Justice possessing Anders, Arl Howe), but ultimately, they're the ones who choose to take that plunge off the deep end.  

 

Plus, I'd like Solas to get something right for a change   I joke about him being the God of Bad Ideas, but you know, variety's the spice of life.

[Cee]

... Well I think someone has to tell him that one grows hair on his head, because after so many years of sleeping I think he forgot about it and he mostly grows it on his shoulder

 

Let's not forget the crotch pelt.

[drosophila]

Let's not forget the crotch pelt.

 

That Tresspasser armor is, in its own way, genius. Never before have I found a piece of clothing so ridiculous, heartbreaking, and arousing, all at once. 

 

Edit: TOP. Some light reading. http://nipuni.tumblr.com/

 

[Uirebhiril]

Solas doesn't seem to be the type to pass blame to another if he is responsible. I doubt he would say 'they' killed her if he was the one that had betrayed her. Do I think Mythal has plans? Most assuredly and Solas may be an unwitting pawn. If anyone would betray another I see Mythal as the betrayer.

 

I'm absolutely terrible would love to see the outcome of something like this. Can you just imagine his face and the result of realizing he was being that betrayed, that used? It would be so heartbreaking and painful. It would be beautiful. It would also make Mythal as beautiful and terrible as we've come to expect her to be. Just imagine it.

 

On the other hand, I do also agree with what Sable said as I was typing this, I appreciate that Solas is who he is without apology and doesn't shy from what he considers his responsibility. That's refreshing, and I'd hate to see him reduced to just another unwitting idiot pawn. Though I expect he'd still take responsibility for having been an idiot and for the things he did or chooses to do regardless, it would still fit in a different context.

 

It's a struggle I have had since Trespasser.

[midnight tea]

Ouch.  Starting my morning with a good, healthy hellspiral 

 

Ah, the irony.  My Lavellan, who is my most heroic and emotionally stable DA PC at character creation, gets the kicked puppy treatment.  No good deed goes unpunished, I guess 

 

 

Is there any doubt as to why Solas picks her as his soulmate? They understand one another simply by the virtue of doing all the good work (at least in intention) and being punished for it xD;