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[Sable Rhapsody]

Ginger Solas is basically why I want Solavellan kids, despite how implausible that scenario is. My Lavellan and Solas would have the cutest ginger elf babies

[Kadan]

Death as redemption really only works in limited situations, and it should never be used as an easy way out, don't-speak-ill-of-the-dead, at least he died saving someone vomit trope. If Solas has to give up his life to, say, destroy the Evanuris or the blight or something like that, you can't call that redemption either. It's just doing what is necessary. So how then would death equal redemption in his case any more than living and moving forward in a new world and helping that grow and overcome whatever is holding it back? What is he even being "redeemed" from? He screwed up with the conclave, but we killed as many people through the game. Whatever he did with the Veil turned out to have grave consequences he didn't foresee, so demanding he make up for that by dying is ridiculous. If what he said is true, something had to be done and he was trying to help everyone by doing it. There's bound to be more to the story that we'll still learn, but as it stands? Yeah, no. 

 

Thom's redemption arc worked so well because he chose to finally set aside the mantle of a dead man and live his life as himself and for the benefit of others. He learned what it meant to do good, rather than just going through the motions. And while I expect the story will be well done if Solas must die for whatever reason, I refuse to believe it's going to be the automatic and expected outcome. Because, like... for what? It would just cheapen the whole deal if that is all we are left with.

This is my thinking as well. Death is too easy. It's wasted when there is so much he can do to 'fix' things. Until I have more of the story I'm holding out hope that the man is not the stupid apocalyptic monster he's being seen as.

 

I just think that so many people are convinced the only way forward regarding Solas is inevitably tragic or even apart from the women he loves, and I'm not giving up on the hope that Trespasser left me with. On several levels. That was what I came away with...a sense of solid hope.

 

I guess I am the on-duty Team Optimism representative this morning.

Waving mine (Team Optimism flag) right beside you. Always hold on to hope. (but then I might be a spirit of hope irl)

[Uirebhiril]

This is my thinking as well. Death is too easy. It's wasted when there is so much he can do to 'fix' things. Until I have more of the story I'm holding out hope that the man is not the stupid apocalyptic monster he's being seen as.

 

He can absolutely be that and I'll still respect him as an antagonist character. He's not doing what he is doing to be evil or to gain power or the usual reasons one expects of a villain. I'm not sure what we can do to prove him wrong or show him a different way, but that question is what gets answered in the next game, right?

 

But even if he does go all out ready to destroy it all antagonist, I STILL don't think death would or should be the first and best answer. I guess people who want an easy story or a quick dose of hero ego save-the-day adrenaline would like it, but it would have to be incredibly well crafted as part of the story for me to do more than just sigh.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Solas dress up game

http://refinition.de...-Game-576676400

 

Here's what dorky grad student Solas looks like in my head:

 

[Cee]

Here's what dorky grad student Solas looks like in my head:

 

 

Somehow, this all just got cuter.

[drosophila]

All these adorkable Solases

 

Have some shirtless painter Solas. (Why wear a shirt when painting? It'll get dirty anyway )

 

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[Kadan]

I need a cowboy hat... for western AU Solas!

 

But shirtless will do ....

 

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[Cee]

All these adorkable Solases

 

Have some shirtless painter Solas. (Why wear a shirt when painting? It'll get dirty anyway )

 

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I also just made a painter Solas. I included that staff, because the way it's drawn makes it look like he has a little friend on his shoulder.

 

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Sick Solas by kallielef inspired by theresa-draws' own artworks of grumpy/sick Solas.

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...n-vhenab-please

 

 

Sick Solas all bundled up under a blanket and pillows by theresa-draws.

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Source: http://theresa-draws...face-solas-give

 

 

nanananananablr is done with her Solavellan fanbook! If she's selling it somewhere, I want it!!! D:

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Source: http://nanananananab...t-done-finished

 

 

And a preview of the comic from nanananananablr's twitter:

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Source: https://twitter.com/...401036443709440

 

 

And an artwork of Solas and Lavellan cuddling in bed, again by nanananananablr. (I love her works so much! )

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Source: http://nanananananab...st/134733290669

 

 

Kidquisitor putting up with Solas' love of the Fade.

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Source: http://coffeependulu...st-2-years-ago 

 

 

Solas you so smooth!   (Solavellan and Varric.)

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Source: http://solavellangar...asco-more-floof

 

[Gwyvian]

And I just caught up to your responses as well. You actually read through all our convoluted bullsh*t? And understood it? That's... impressive. And kinda crazy.

But... you summed it up pretty well. Though, I wouldn't say we're saying the same thing. Our viewpoints on what motivates Solas are pretty different. But that's something we really can't know for sure anyway, so the argument is kinda pointless. You're right about that.

Don't know how I got caught up in this debate for so long. Initially, I was just trying to understand what she was talking about. But her examples didn't make sense to me (for the reasons that you mentioned) so I kept responding to try and understand. Turns out we were just going around in circles, huh?

Thanks for reading. Why would you do that to yourself, though? The others just ignore us, as they should.

Actually, I've been following the discussion, too. Not getting in the middle of it, though, I'm already all too familiar with stepping in a semantic pit of vipers.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Somehow, this all just got cuter.

 

It's the glasses.  And the blushing.  And the dorky smile.

 

I wish I could have given him ratty old flip-flops, though.  He has to wear shoes of some kind in the grad AU; you're just asking for tetanus walking around a modern setting barefoot.  But that doesn't mean he has to wear decent shoes

[drosophila]

It's the glasses.  And the blushing.  And the dorky smile.

 

I wish I could have given him ratty old flip-flops, though.  He has to wear shoes of some kind in the grad AU; you're just asking for tetanus walking around a modern setting barefoot.  But that doesn't mean he has to wear decent shoes

 

My personal HC for modern Solas is that he wears one of those shoes that have all 5 toes and imitate bare feet. 

[Cee]

My personal HC for modern Solas is that he wears one of those shoes that have all 5 toes and imitate bare feet. 

 

Those are SO dorky looking. And thus, perfect.

[Sable Rhapsody]

My personal HC for modern Solas is that he wears one of those shoes that have all 5 toes and imitate bare feet. 

 

Nvm.  Stealing your headcanon

 

I have a friend who wears those things.  They look so weird.  Maybe it's because his are this dark green color, but they make his toes look like clothy tentacles 

[drosophila]

Nvm.  Stealing your headcanon

 

I have a friend who wears those things.  They look so weird.  Maybe it's because his are this dark green color, but they make his toes look like clothy tentacles 

 

Yay

 

And yes they look really weird to me. And not that comfortable. In other words, the kind of footwear Solas would go for.

[DarkSun09]

Ginger Solas is basically why I want Solavellan kids, despite how implausible that scenario is. My Lavellan and Solas would have the cutest ginger elf babies

Haha. Maybe you won't be able to tell. Maybe they'll take after dad and you'll get all eggs... even the girls. Baldness of this caliber is pretty dominant.

This is my thinking as well. Death is too easy. It's wasted when there is so much he can do to 'fix' things. Until I have more of the story I'm holding out hope that the man is not the stupid apocalyptic monster he's being seen as.

Waving mine (Team Optimism flag) right beside you. Always hold on to hope. (but then I might be a spirit of hope irl)

Yes! He's so magically gifted, and knows so much about... everything. Killing him would be like burning down a museum or a library. And you know me, I'm all about getting me some of that book learning. There is so much good he can still do with his powers and knowledge. You guys are right that death doesn't have to be the only path towards redemption for him.

And storywise, he's such a significant and controversial figure in history. His actions helped shape the current world as we know it today. Kinda too important a character to die, imo. The Dread Wolf is everywhere. They set him up in Dalish lore to be this devious, scary god... then we discover those legends only contained half truths of half truths. Doesn't make sense that they would just kill him off so cheaply. What a waste that would be!

And no way is some character player going to be able to off him (even though quite a few think they'll get that option). Look what he can do... with just his eyes!

Actually, I've been following the discussion, too. Not getting in the middle of it, though, I'm already all too familiar with stepping in a semantic pit of vipers.

Hey! Lol.
Can't argue with that...

[ladyiolanthe]

So the line was: "Your hand hurts. A heartbeat. Not yours. Hammering the beat of a song in its final verse. I'm sorry." ?

I don't see any clear relation to Solas dying.

Hand hurts - a heartbeat. But a heartbeat is a sign of life not of the ending of it. I do see how "in its final verse" might indicate dying, but not necessarily so. It might also refer to somebody's actions/decisions. Like the heartbeat reflecting the own determination and "its final verse" indicating that this person finally decided what to do and has dedicated him/herself entirely to a particular goal no matter the cost; i.e., no searching or hesitation anymore but a strong determination, constant and adamant like a heartbeat. (Ignoring how a heartbeat could, of course, be stopped...)

And "I'm sorry"... that only works for a romanced Lavellan. If we get this banter always it would be strange and not make any sense for all those playthroughs with a rival or at least not romanced Solas.

 

*snip*

 

I had to laugh so hard at this. That's just ridiculous. That's like apes in a zoo. "Ah look, the mating season is coming, we must organize some female for Teffo". I mean... sure... somebody who's already shown to make bad decisions that got her clan killed might actually consider this option... but for the clan it might actually be better such a person wouldn't reproduce.

Besides, I don't see much of a chance of survival for a clan consisting of offspring of only two available people. Leaves us with few options. The children would need to breed with their parents and each other for lack of other genetic material. In no time we'd be left with people who'd be intellectually challenged by a cucumber and, most likely, get theirselves exterminated anyway.

 

*more snip*

 

Yes, all Cole's banters are ambiguous. I think "I'm sorry" can be interpreted in a number of ways, too.  Yes, absolutely with a romanced Lavellan, Cole might be saying he's sorry that she is going to lose her love. For friends it can be "Sorry that you're going to lose your friend." For rivals it can be "Sorry that I'm blurting out this weird thing (or stating the obvious about your hand hurting - of course you know it hurts!) when you are obviously trying to get to the bottom of this Qunari trouble."  

 

And laugh - that's your prerogative. But how else do you propose preserving a specific bloodline if it's nearly wiped out? It's not such a different concept from Tevinter selectively breeding for magical ability. If you value the Lavellan bloodline and want it to continue, you need to procreate. And having children with someone you don't love because you perceive a larger purpose to it is what happens in both Tevinter and Orlais - Tevinter to produce more powerful mages, and Orlais to solidify political alliances.  I don't feel it's weird for Dalish elves to do the same for the perpetuation of their clans.

 

Considering that, out of the tree of 7 war table operations concerning Clan Lavellan, only 1 outcome results in Clan Lavellan being safe, while 1 results in a few casualties, and 6 result in the clan being wiped out, the odds are stacked against the Dalish Inquisitor. Many of the decisions seemed reasonable given the information we were given. So I don't think it's a problem of the Inquisitor having poor judgment, but rather that, being part of a marginalized culture, she just can't win in most situations.

[Eliantariel]

So the line was: "Your hand hurts. A heartbeat. Not yours. Hammering the beat of a song in its final verse. I'm sorry." ?

I don't see any clear relation to Solas dying.

Hand hurts - a heartbeat. But a heartbeat is a sign of life not of the ending of it. I do see how "in its final verse" might indicate dying, but not necessarily so. It might also refer to somebody's actions/decisions. Like the heartbeat reflecting the own determination and "its final verse" indicating that this person finally decided what to do and has dedicated him/herself entirely to a particular goal no matter the cost; i.e., no searching or hesitation anymore but a strong determination, constant and adamant like a heartbeat. (Ignoring how a heartbeat could, of course, be stopped...)

 

 

I agree - I never thought of it Solas related but instead that the Inquisitor is dying - and we know the anchor is killing her. For me the heartbeat is a sign of the connection between the orb which might have been taken from the Titans or more specifically from the Titans heart and the anchor which was given to the Inqusitor by the orb. So as if the anchor has a heartbeat and the final verse is what the Inquisitor is going to kill. 

 

Besides, Solas seems ok during Trespasser - we don't even know if he expects himself to die or if his journey of death means everyone is dying and with him something else might happening, but it is surely nothing good because he says himself that he doesn't want Lavellan to see what he will become. 

[Eliantariel]

 During the stinger at the end of the game, Solas tells Mythal that it was his mistake and he should pay for it... but the people need him. Given that Mythal doesn't argue, I'm guessing he means that quite literally. That whatever he intends to do, he not only needs power to do it, but it has to be him. Either no one else is capable or some arbitrary magical mumbo jumbo'll stop them but not Solas. 

 

Either way, I don't think simply allying with someone would be an option.

 

I didn't thought about that, thank you that makes sense. 

[Kadan]

Yes, all Cole's banters are ambiguous. I think "I'm sorry" can be interpreted in a number of ways, too.  Yes, absolutely with a romanced Lavellan, Cole might be saying he's sorry that she is going to lose her love. For friends it can be "Sorry that you're going to lose your friend." For rivals it can be "Sorry that I'm blurting out this weird thing (or stating the obvious about your hand hurting - of course you know it hurts!) when you are obviously trying to get to the bottom of this Qunari trouble."  

 

And laugh - that's your prerogative. But how else do you propose preserving a specific bloodline if it's nearly wiped out? It's not such a different concept from Tevinter selectively breeding for magical ability. If you value the Lavellan bloodline and want it to continue, you need to procreate. And having children with someone you don't love because you perceive a larger purpose to it is what happens in both Tevinter and Orlais - Tevinter to produce more powerful mages, and Orlais to solidify political alliances.  I don't feel it's weird for Dalish elves to do the same for the perpetuation of their clans.

 

Considering that, out of the tree of 7 war table operations concerning Clan Lavellan, only 1 outcome results in Clan Lavellan being safe, while 1 results in a few casualties, and 6 result in the clan being wiped out, the odds are stacked against the Dalish Inquisitor. Many of the decisions seemed reasonable given the information we were given. So I don't think it's a problem of the Inquisitor having poor judgment, but rather that, being part of a marginalized culture, she just can't win in most situations.

That the clan is wiped out seemed to me more that the enemy was determined to hit her hard because she was an elf. We are talking Tevinter Extremists, extremist that want to rebuild the Imperium to it's former glory. That an elf is standing in their way has to gall them more than any other would.

 

They are also relying on three advisers that are supposed to understand their enemy and how to deal with them. The deck is stacked against a Lavellen, but she should be able to rely on better advice from her advisers. I saw the loss of the clan more as a reflection on the War Counsel than on Lavellan. She may not know the Game, but that didn't mean she /he was stupid.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Grad AU time!  This one gets a bit heated, but not smutty or NSFW 

 

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Solas turned, catching her by the waist.  His lips muffled her startled gasp; his arms wrapped around her, molding his body to hers.  He smelled like mint, tasted like cinnamon, and the soft collar of his turtleneck pressed against her throat.  When he finally leaned back, she opened her eyes to find her hands clutching the front of his sweater.  His cheeks were as brightly flushed as hers felt, his hands still resting on her waist.

 

She'd expected a snarky response, not a kiss.  And certainly not a kiss like that.  She stared at him, half-dazed, still lost in the warmth and pressure of his mouth on hers.

 

"You looked," he whispered, "like you wanted to dominate my focus. Are you pleased with yourself, harellan?"

 

Was she pleased?  Not entirely.  She'd be more pleased if he shut up and kissed her like that again, but she decided to play along.  "Obviously.  Took you long enough."  She got up on tiptoe to kiss the tip of his nose; when he made a face, she winked at him, warmth from Solas and the wine mingling pleasantly in her veins.

 

"I disagree."  His hands trailed up from her waist to her wrists.  "Most people spend too little time on the chase.  And you did once ask me if I liked mystery."

 

It was a stupid, impulsive thing to say.  Which made it perfect at that moment.  Lavellan let go of his clothes and laced her fingers through his.  "So...you like being a tease."

 

Solas's ears started to flush crimson again, but his gaze never wavered.  This time, he was the one who leaned in, stopping just out of range for another kiss.

 

"I like deferred gratification.  I see no point in denying that."

 

"Foreplay?" she murmured, pushing a little harder.  

 

He raised an eyebrow at her.  "Please.  Is that a serious question?"

 

They stared at each other for a long moment, and Solas was the first to crack.  His lips twitched, then he dissolved into full-blown laughter.  He snorted as he laughed, and the sound was so unexpected that she lost it too.  They clung to each other for support, Lavellan's head resting on his shoulder, Solas's eyes warm and bright in the orange streetlight.

 

When they finally had control over themselves again, he gestured back toward the bar.  "May I buy you another drink?" he asked.  "Before the others think we've absconded."

 

"'Absconded,'" she said, mimicking his precise pronunciation.  "Is that what students call it nowadays?"

 

"I promise to keep the microphone away from you."

 

Lavellan blinked at him; she'd completely forgotten why they were outside in the first place.  Solas was no longer smiling; he let go of her to fidget with the hem of his sweater, and the old, familiar knot of apprehension started to coil in her stomach again.  She could hear a reprise of "Drunken Marcher" back inside; it seemed to be a favorite of Dorian's.

 

"Thank you," she said softly.  She slipped her hand back into his and gave his fingers a squeeze.  There were more things, more words hanging unsaid, an uncertain and garbled explanation that she wasn't sure made any sense.  But she kept them to herself and let Solas lead her back into the noisy and crowded bar, hand-in-hand.

[drosophila]

Grad AU time!  This one gets a bit heated, but not smutty or NSFW 

 

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Solas turned, catching her by the waist.  His lips muffled her startled gasp; his arms wrapped around her, molding his body to hers.  He smelled like mint, tasted like cinnamon, and the soft collar of his turtleneck pressed against her throat.  When he finally leaned back, she opened her eyes to find her hands clutching the front of his sweater.  His cheeks were as brightly flushed as hers felt, his hands still resting on her waist.

 

She'd expected a snarky response, not a kiss.  And certainly not a kiss like that.  She stared at him, half-dazed, still lost in the warmth and pressure of his mouth on hers.

 

"You looked," he whispered, "like you wanted to dominate my focus. Are you pleased with yourself, harellan?"

 

Was she pleased?  Not entirely.  She'd be more pleased if he shut up and kissed her like that again, but she decided to play along.  "Obviously.  Took you long enough."  She got up on tiptoe to kiss the tip of his nose; when he made a face, she winked at him, warmth from Solas and the wine mingling pleasantly in her veins.

 

"I disagree."  His hands trailed up from her waist to her wrists.  "Most people spend too little time on the chase.  And you did once ask me if I liked mystery."

 

It was a stupid, impulsive thing to say.  Which made it perfect at that moment.  Lavellan let go of his clothes and laced her fingers through his.  "So...you like being a tease."

 

Solas's ears started to flush crimson again, but his gaze never wavered.  This time, he was the one who leaned in, stopping just out of range for another kiss.

 

"I like deferred gratification.  I see no point in denying that."

 

"Foreplay?" she murmured, pushing a little harder.  

 

He raised an eyebrow at her.  "Please.  Is that a serious question?"

 

They stared at each other for a long moment, and Solas was the first to crack.  His lips twitched, then he dissolved into full-blown laughter.  He snorted as he laughed, and the sound was so unexpected that she lost it too.  They clung to each other for support, Lavellan's head resting on his shoulder, Solas's eyes warm and bright in the orange streetlight.

 

When they finally had control over themselves again, he gestured back toward the bar.  "May I buy you another drink?" he asked.  "Before the others think we've absconded."

 

"'Absconded,'" she said, mimicking his precise pronunciation.  "Is that what students call it nowadays?"

 

"I promise to keep the microphone away from you."

 

Lavellan blinked at him; she'd completely forgotten why they were outside in the first place.  Solas was no longer smiling; he let go of her to fidget with the hem of his sweater, and the old, familiar knot of apprehension started to coil in her stomach again.  She could hear a reprise of "Drunken Marcher" back inside; it seemed to be a favorite of Dorian's.

 

"Thank you," she said softly.  She slipped her hand back into his and gave his fingers a squeeze.  There were more things, more words hanging unsaid, an uncertain and garbled explanation that she wasn't sure made any sense.  But she kept them to herself and let Solas lead her back into the noisy and crowded bar, hand-in-hand.

 

At first I was like     

 

Then     

 

Why is this not the canon version???

 

Anyway

[Cee]

At first I was like     

 

Then     

 

Why is this not the canon version???

 

Anyway

 

Solas without angst....it could only happen under such circumstances as these.

[Cee]

I quoted that post and experienced a first for me....a too many emoticons warning.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Why is this not the canon version???

 

Because canon!Solas has enough baggage to fill the cargo hold of a 747