*rolls in*
I have one horrible thought concerning this, and one good thought. I'll start with the good one:
The Good: Perhaps Solas has dreamed about the Inquisitor, and knows she is the one for him. Or maybe there is a form of reincarnation, and they were together in another life and Solas has seen themselves in one of his several history learnin' naps.
The Ugly: He's also a blood mage and needs Dalish blood to do some creepy **** like that one dude in DA2. D:
I don't know if this:
https://twitter.com/...197993285242880
means anything, but a guy was complaining about having only two women to romance and Mike Laidlaw said perhaps they'll grow on you when you meet them. He didn't say "there's a third woman for you" or anything similar.
Edit: And I'm assuming he was talking about women because he said he wished he could have Sera too.
I don't know if this:
https://twitter.com/...197993285242880
means anything, but a guy was complaining about having only two women to romance and Mike Laidlaw said perhaps they'll grow on you when you meet them. He didn't say "there's a third woman for you" or anything similar.
Oh that exchange went really well, I usually hide when I see things like that... ML must be a god.
I don't know if this:
https://twitter.com/...197993285242880
means anything, but a guy was complaining about having only two women to romance and Mike Laidlaw said perhaps they'll grow on you when you meet them. He didn't say "there's a third woman for you" or anything similar.
I imagine everyone at BioWare is being very careful with what they say after that last slip up so it may not mean anything.
I don't consider balancing race to be at all as important as balancing gender/sexuality and Gaider had said he felt the same, which is why I really don't understand what happened. If Blackwall is an option (I'm expecting hetero Vivienne), then it changes the outcome, but I'm still very disappointed that they didn't choose to allocate resources in a way that would give balance. There's no way to fix it now, though, so I guess I can just hope that they'll do things differently next time. Although, I'll be honest, I don't have much hope at this point.
So you're saying if one chunk of players missed out because of what they chose to play, that's okay as long as there are the same number of characters for each gender preference... I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Romance is optional and it isn't the be-all and end-all of the game. It's not why I choose to play a certain character a certain way (for instance, if I ever go back to my DAO playthrough... I'm aiming for my Cousland to become queen. But if I could I'd pass up on romancing Alistair because for some reason he is totally rubbing me the wrong way - and I used to think he was the Greatest Thing Ever when DAO first came out). However, it's wrong to deny options to an entire subset of people just because there were enough options for that particular gender. I'd say it was unfair if Dorian was race-gated to only humans or only elves or only humans and elves, also--because there would then be a good chunk of players with only Iron Bull as an option. And if Iron Bull were still gated, well... that'd be a big problem.
I don't know for sure that Cullen is gated, of course, but if he is, I think my argument is validated. Women aren't really getting more options, it's just that different groups of women are getting different options. I would feel pretty slighted, personally--and I think you would too--if I had randomly chosen the one race/class/gender combination that basically had no options, or only one option that I didn't want to pursue. If Solas's romance exists even only in part to prevent that, I'm okay with it. It wouldn't be much comfort to know that I had the same number of options for my gender as the lesbians, straight men, and gay men, if I couldn't actually have those options in my playthrough. Am I still not making sense?
I don't know if I'm right, and whether I'm right or I'm wrong I still feel bad about you not getting another option. Do not mistake me on that. But I also don't see why you'd be angry about someone else having a choice at all. So it's okay if my elf has no available romance whatsoever, as long as there are two straight and two bisexual men? As long as you don't feel like you are missing out, it's okay if other players do? That's the part of your logic that I'm not okay with, and honestly I'm finding it harder to sympathize with you because of it, because my opinion is that representation is important, but it's also important that no one be left out--especially after ME3, when anyone playing Shepard as a straight woman was very nearly out of luck.
Having said that, I still don't quite know why Solas wasn't written bisexual. I would personally be okay with gay and bisexual men having another choice and I was hoping he'd be bisexual all along for just that reason. However, Dorian is likely ungated, or at least not gated against elves. So, if I'm right about Blackwall being ungated and bisexual, male elves still would have had two options even had Iron Bull remained race gated. (Of course I very well may be wrong.) But now, numerically, whether it is Blackwall or Vivienne and even if the final LI is bisexual and ungated, things cannot be numerically equal. I'm trying to be positive about it; my theory about balancing out things between race and gender is part of that. I really do think part of the reason was likely to maintain at least two choices per gender/race selection (with humans basically able to romance anyone except Solas).
I do get your quibble about numbers, but Solas is only available to elves... again I think there has to be something beyond story reasons for that. Or that story reasons ended up causing him to be chosen as an LI to balance things out. Or something. It's late. I'm tired. I have no idea what I'm even trying to say anymore.
If he said there will be more than two, then it would confirm Vivienne by elimination, so I imagine he would take a vague approach regardless.
So you're saying if one chunk of players missed out because of what they chose to play, that's okay as long as there are the same number of characters for each gender preference... I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Romance is optional and it isn't the be-all and end-all of the game. It's not why I choose to play a certain character a certain way (for instance, if I ever go back to my DAO playthrough... I'm aiming for my Cousland to become queen. But if I could I'd pass up on romancing Alistair because for some reason he is totally rubbing me the wrong way - and I used to think he was the Greatest Thing Ever when DAO first came out). However, it's wrong to deny options to an entire subset of people just because there were enough options for that particular gender. I'd say it was unfair if Dorian was race-gated to only humans or only elves or only humans and elves, also--because there would then be a good chunk of players with only Iron Bull as an option. And if Iron Bull were still gated, well... that'd be a big problem.
I don't know for sure that Cullen is gated, of course, but if he is, I think my argument is validated. Women aren't really getting more options, it's just that different groups of women are getting different options. I would feel pretty slighted, personally--and I think you would too--if I had randomly chosen the one race/class/gender combination that basically had no options, or only one option that I didn't want to pursue. If Solas's romance exists even only in part to prevent that, I'm okay with it. It wouldn't be much comfort to know that I had the same number of options for my gender as the lesbians, straight men, and gay men, if I couldn't actually have those options in my playthrough. Am I still not making sense?
I don't know if I'm right, and whether I'm right or I'm wrong I still feel bad about you not getting another option. Do not mistake me on that. But I also don't see why you'd be angry about someone else having a choice at all. So it's okay if my elf has no available romance whatsoever, as long as there are two straight and two bisexual men? As long as you don't feel like you are missing out, it's okay if other players do? That's the part of your logic that I'm not okay with, and honestly I'm finding it harder to sympathize with you because of it, because my opinion is that representation is important, but it's also important that no one be left out--especially after ME3, when anyone playing Shepard as a straight woman was very nearly out of luck.
Having said that, I still don't quite know why Solas wasn't written bisexual. I would personally be okay with gay and bisexual men having another choice and I was hoping he'd be bisexual all along for just that reason. However, Dorian is likely ungated, or at least not gated against elves. So, if I'm right about Blackwall being ungated and bisexual, male elves still would have had two options even had Iron Bull remained race gated. (Of course I very well may be wrong.) But now, numerically, whether it is Blackwall or Vivienne and even if the final LI is bisexual and ungated, things cannot be numerically equal. I'm trying to be positive about it; my theory about balancing out things between race and gender is part of that. I really do think part of the reason was likely to maintain at least two choices per gender/race selection (with humans basically able to romance anyone except Solas).
I do get your quibble about numbers, but Solas is only available to elves... again I think there has to be something beyond story reasons for that. Or that story reasons ended up causing him to be chosen as an LI to balance things out. Or something. It's late. I'm tired. I have no idea what I'm even trying to say anymore.
Honestly, I think it wouldn't be as bad for straight women to lose options if someone had to, because gay men have always gotten the least options. We had literally no options in ME1 or ME2, so I have a hard time relating to "my elf would have less option", to be honest. If someone had to be shorted, pinning it to us again is hardly fair. Straight women have gotten less than straight men, but absolutely more than either gay men or lesbians. Taking away from us to give to straight people again, yes, I see it as a problem.
But they didn't have to strictly gate any romances. They've never done it before and they didn't care that it made little sense for this or that character to date whatever race, or a blood mage, templar, etc. They didn't have to do it, but they chose to. It's not like these were the only options going in. Maybe they should have just.. not done that? I mean, they made up these characters. They're not real people and it's not like the imagination wasn't the limit on what concepts they could have used. They had a choice from the ground up to say, "hey, these options will end up screwing the same people that are always screwed, maybe we should go another direction". But they didn't choose to do that. I have always said that I wanted equal choices for everyone and I stand by that, but laying the short straw on the same people every time is far from the fairest approach.
Not that I really expect gates like this on Cullen to actually happen, which colors my view, I'll admit. Cullen was interested in an elf warden, so I highly doubt he's restricted from elves. It wouldn't make much sense for him to be. I could see him being restricted to humans/elves if Blackwall is an option, but that changes a lot. It's better for gay men, obviously, if he's bi/gay. Not so much for lesbians. If he's straight.. I don't even know what to say, but I don't expect that, don't get me wrong.
Honestly, seeing posts about how his strict gates will likely make him SUPER SPECIAL and AWESOME as a romance just make me feel like crap. It's very likely true. When they have straight characters, they're usually the most important ones, the most plot heavy ones. Morrigan and Alistair were, Cassandra most likely will be. It's just as likely true that Solas has some SUPER SPECIAL, plot relevant story and, again, it's made just for you, straight people!
This is why I really wish they would just stick with all bi. I see it as the only way I'm ever not going to get screwed. I actually really got behind the set sexualities for a while, but I realize now I was just being naive. Set sexualities are always going to mean extra characters and important characters are for straight people.
Okay, now it's making a bit more sense how you feel.
Honestly, though I think Solas himself will be plot-important, I think his romance content will be minimal because why invest many resources on something so few people will play? I don't think he's meant to make elven female characters seem more special and important to their players. Of course it's true what another said - he was likely added later on, so only having to do dialogue and cutscenes for one character instead of eight makes sense, too.
I hate that you're being made to feel unimportant. That stinks. I still wish Solas could have been bisexual. I still hold out hope for Blackwall for you guys.
But, I'm not taking back my statement about numerics not equating equality. Yes, it'd be better if you had a third bisexual or gay male character available. Or more lesbians/bisexual women. But I repeat, if adding more numbers to one group (whether it be straight males/females/bisexual males/females, gay/lesbian males/females) you are denying a chunk of another group any option at all, that's not acceptable.
I guess I am also putting too much stock into my theory (which could definitely be completely wrong and off base) - and if I'm totally wrong about it? I will feel 10000000000% worse for you guys than I already do, because at that point... well, characters are written. They don't magically appear fully crafted from the ether. Even if they are a certain way, someone made them that way. It's the same thing as women characters in chainmail bikinis - they didn't choose to wear that, their artist chose to put them in it. So if it's not about balancing choices, well... other decisions could have been made. Even if it is about balancing things out, they should just SAY that "we worked hard to make sure everyone had options, so even if gender preferences aren't balanced throughout the options, you WILL have at least two options no matter what you play." But they didn't.
I really don't think they meant to say "this is super special" when they said there was a super story reason Solas is elf-only. What I think they meant is that it's a very good reason, story-wise, for him to have this particular preference, not that it's going to be super-special and awesome. And they worded it poorly, and made you guys feel bad, and that's not good...and there's nothing I can say or do to make you feel better.
That Allan finds Solas's romance "interesting" doesn't really mean a lot - Allan has said before that he's not really that invested in the romances. So, his idea of "interesting" may not be quite what we'd think. I.e. maybe it's not as romantic as you'd expect?
And now, I'm groggily worrying that things really ARE horribly unbalanced and you guys really ARE being shorted... if my theory's right, no one's being shorted but if it's wrong, you guys... I am so sorry. I'm sorry about it anyway because no matter what, someone's going to be unhappy, and maybe lots of someones. That's why I haven't been super-celebratory like some others have. Well, that, and I kind of got less invested in the hype over time as I spent some time just lurking for a week or two...
Honestly, I think it wouldn't be as bad for straight women to lose options if someone had to, because gay men have always gotten the least options. We had literally no options in ME1 or ME2, so I have a hard time relating to "my elf would have less option", to be honest. If someone had to be shorted, pinning it to us again is hardly fair. Straight women have gotten less than straight men, but absolutely more than either gay men or lesbians. Taking away from us to give to straight people again, yes, I see it as a problem.
But they didn't have to strictly gate any romances. They've never done it before and they didn't care that it made little sense for this or that character to date whatever race, or a blood mage, templar, etc. They didn't have to do it, but they chose to. It's not like these were the only options going in. Maybe they should have just.. not done that? I mean, they made up these characters. They're not real people and it's not like the imagination wasn't the limit on what concepts they could have used. They had a choice from the ground up to say, "hey, these options will end up screwing the same people that are always screwed, maybe we should go another direction". But they didn't choose to do that. I have always said that I wanted equal choices for everyone and I stand by that, but laying the short straw on the same people every time is far from the fairest approach.
Not that I really expect gates like this on Cullen to actually happen, which colors my view, I'll admit. Cullen was interested in an elf warden, so I highly doubt he's restricted from elves. It wouldn't make much sense for him to be. I could see him being restricted to humans/elves if Blackwall is an option, but that changes a lot. It's better for gay men, obviously, if he's bi/gay. Not so much for lesbians. If he's straight.. I don't even know what to say, but I don't expect that, don't get me wrong.
Okay, straight women can have fewer options, that'd be great. I mean we already traditionally get left out of marketing, we already typically have fewer options than straight men, too... why not? Yeah, let's just leave the straight ladies with nothing, after all they're only women. They're not REAL gamers. Or even real people, with real feelings. They're just there for straight men to stare at, we have no use for them, they have cooties.
Right?
I mean it's not like Mass Effect 3 happened where a straight woman could literally have zero options through the game, start to finish, in no small part because some options were actually taken away from her (oh hi, Thane and Jacob). Yeah, who cares about those women anyway? I mean, men are more important, regardless of which orientation... they always were, right? So who cares if a few women are left unhappy and feeling like they don't matter? It's not like they're PEOPLE or something.
You know, I would not dream of telling any of the LGBT community that they should be okay with any of them having fewer options as long as there are an equal number of characters for a straight woman to romance. If Dorian were gated against everything but human, and Iron Bull had remained gated (likely to humans and qunari only), I would not be telling YOU that it's okay that a large subset of gay men would not have any option whatsoever. But YOU are saying that if my theory is correct, you'd be perfectly okay with options being taken away from ME.
Okay, straight women can have fewer options, that'd be great. I mean we already traditionally get left out of marketing, we already typically have fewer options than straight men, too... why not? Yeah, let's just leave the straight ladies with nothing, after all they're only women. They're not REAL gamers. Or even real people, with real feelings. They're just there for straight men to stare at, we have no use for them, they have cooties.
Right?
I mean it's not like Mass Effect 3 happened where a straight woman could literally have zero options through the game, start to finish, in no small part because some options were actually taken away from her (oh hi, Thane and Jacob). Yeah, who cares about those women anyway? I mean, men are more important, regardless of which orientation... they always were, right? So who cares if a few women are left unhappy and feeling like they don't matter? It's not like they're PEOPLE or something.
You know, I would not dream of telling any of the LGBT community that they should be okay with any of them having fewer options as long as there are an equal number of characters for a straight woman to romance. If Dorian were gated against everything but human, and Iron Bull had remained gated (likely to humans and qunari only), I would not be telling YOU that it's okay that a large subset of gay men would not have any option whatsoever. But YOU are saying that if my theory is correct, you'd be perfectly okay with options being taken away from ME.
I'm not for there being less options for straight women. I want everyone to have the same amount of options. Straight women have had a better deal than gay men in literally every Bioware game so I don't feel bad saying it wouldn't be terrible if gay men got more options than straight women in one game. In ME1 and ME2 we got no options. In Origins, one option. Even in DA2 you got one more option than we did. In ME3 you could have zero options, but you also could have two long term, returning squad members, vs our one squad member (that you got, anyway) or a side character with little development beyond having a dead husband.
Women have been treated poorly in the gaming industry and I do not want to compete with you for who gets less options. I want us to get equal options. I think it's a bit irrational for you to make a big drama out of me saying it would be alright for gay men to get more options once, though. Not even that I hope it happens, but that it would be an acceptable outcome if they absolutely refused to make things equal, which is my preference. I do relate to how women have been treated and I want that to improve. I don't want you to get less options than anyone else and I don't want straight men to keep getting more than both of us. But try to consider how gay men are treated in media. How many gay romances do you see in games? How many gay protagonists do you see heading games? We're not being treated better than you. I want us to be equal, but we haven't been equal. You've still always gotten more, that's just the numbers. I'm sorry if stating that makes you angry, it's not my intention to start an argument, but that's fact you really can't argue with.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to go with Brass on this one. Bioware are one of the few companies giving us women a fair chance at all, and Your saying we shouldn't get as much because you're not getting as much? Thats not equality. Thats selfishness. Maybe you worded it wrong and I'm misreading your comments, but thats the vibe I'm getting, and thats not cool.Honestly, I think it wouldn't be as bad for straight women to lose options if someone had to, because gay men have always gotten the least options. We had literally no options in ME1 or ME2, so I have a hard time relating to "my elf would have less option", to be honest. If someone had to be shorted, pinning it to us again is hardly fair. Straight women have gotten less than straight men, but absolutely more than either gay men or lesbians. Taking away from us to give to straight people again, yes, I see it as a problem.
Honestly, seeing posts about how his strict gates will likely make him SUPER SPECIAL and AWESOME as a romance just make me feel like crap. It's very likely true. When they have straight characters, they're usually the most important ones, the most plot heavy ones. Morrigan and Alistair were, Cassandra most likely will be. It's just as likely true that Solas has some SUPER SPECIAL, plot relevant story and, again, it's made just for you, straight people!
This is why I really wish they would just stick with all bi. I see it as the only way I'm ever not going to get screwed. I actually really got behind the set sexualities for a while, but I realize now I was just being naive. Set sexualities are always going to mean extra characters and important characters are for straight people.
I totally agree with you. I have nothing against different sexualities, but in general they make the heterosexual relationships the important ones, whereas lesbian and (especially) gay gamers remain with sidekick characters. It's so unfair. And people tell us we need to shut up and be happy with our options. Of course I am happy with Dorian, but that doesn't mean that it's a perfect solution. If we don't say anything things can never change. Heterosexual men AND women won't lose anything if they don't get the story relevated exclusive LI's for once.
whereas lesbian and (especially) gay gamers remain with sidekick characters.
You can have Solas. Can we straight men get Sera please?
Don't assume you have the worst position. I was really interested in Sera, then they had to crush my dreams.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to go with Brass on this one. Bioware are one of the few companies giving us women a fair chance at all, and Your saying we shouldn't get as much because you're not getting as much? Thats not equality. Thats selfishness. Maybe you worded it wrong and I'm misreading your comments, but thats the vibe I'm getting, and thats not cool.
I'm totally bummed my male quizzy can't be with Solas, but Bioware have their reasons, and its not in order to appease one group, or take away from another.
what? all he says is that it's unfair to give heterosexual women an exclusive option when this means homosexual men lose one. Bioware could have made Solas bisexual. You wouldn't have lost an option. You'd still have three options to choose from. And gay men would have the same amount. It would be fair.
You can have Solas. Can we straight men get Sera please?
Don't assume you have the worst position. I was really interested in Sera, then they had to crush my dreams.
that's personal preference. With different sexual orientations you cannot have everyone. I deal with it. But it's not okay to make the story relevant characters heterosexual or to create more heterosexual options than homosexual ones in every single game. Which character you prefer is your personal opinion. Bioware can't make everyone happy without giving us bisexual options. But with sex gating it's even more important to make sure that everyone will have story important romances to choose from.
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to go with Brass on this one. Bioware are one of the few companies giving us women a fair chance at all, and Your saying we shouldn't get as much because you're not getting as much? Thats not equality. Thats selfishness. Maybe you worded it wrong and I'm misreading your comments, but thats the vibe I'm getting, and thats not cool.
I'm totally bummed my male quizzy can't be with Solas, but Bioware have their reasons, and its not in order to appease one group, or take away from another.
Edit: and actually, we didn't get more options than gay men in ME3, if we didnt have a romance from the first two games. If Kaidan was dead, we had no straight options. If Kaidan was alive, that gave us one. If Kaidan was dead, gay Shep still had Cortez. If Kaidan was alive, gay Shep got 2. Sooooo, yeah... And of course straight male Shep got a lot more...
This is what I'm saying; If there are going to be extra options, sometimes it's alright if they go to gay men and lesbians. Gay men and lesbians have had far fewer options in Bioware games than either straight women or straight men. If someone is going to come up short, sometimes it's alright for that to be straight people of either gender. I'm not saying it should always be, but, as it stands, it's always been gays/lesbians on the whole. Often we've gotten literally zero options. The only games we've gotten more than one option in are DA2 and ME3. I absolutely hope that they will offer balanced options for everyone in future games, but if they have a situation where one demographic will be shorted or one will get more, I think it's alright to let gays/lesbians get more, because they've always gotten far less to date.
Do you really think that's so selfish? Isn't it at least equally selfish to say you should keep getting more than those who have gotten less in the past, if someone is going to get less?
Hey guys, I have a suggestion, there's a romance thread where you can allll talk about this until the cows come home, but we've already had one warning here about going OT and arguing, can we not do it here please? Thanking you! 
Yeah, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to go with Brass on this one. Bioware are one of the few companies giving us women a fair chance at all, and Your saying we shouldn't get as much because you're not getting as much? Thats not equality. Thats selfishness. Maybe you worded it wrong and I'm misreading your comments, but thats the vibe I'm getting, and thats not cool.
I'm totally bummed my male quizzy can't be with Solas, but Bioware have their reasons, and its not in order to appease one group, or take away from another.
Edit: and actually, we didn't get more options than gay men in ME3, if we didnt have a romance from the first two games. If Kaidan was dead, we had no straight options. If Kaidan was alive, that gave us one. If Kaidan was dead, gay Shep still had Cortez. If Kaidan was alive, gay Shep got 2. Sooooo, yeah... And of course straight male Shep got a lot more...
No straight woman has a leg to stand on when it comes to comparing ME love interests, because the situation in ME3 can be overcome with different decisions (don't kill Kaidan or romance Garrus in ME2). Gay men playing ME have nothing until ME3 and they, too, could only have Cortez as an option due to killing off Kaidan.
And he's not saying his perfect world scenario is more options for gay men at the expense of straight women, but in the absence of equality, he naturally would prefer to be on the winning end of the choices game. For once. That it comes at the "expense" of straight women is simply because of the context of the conversation.
(and let's be real- it's no more selfish than any of us wanting Solas to be romanceable when we know there are limited slots for LIs and that somebody else who wants another character just as much is going to get screwed)
No one has really come up short in this game. So far everyone has an equal amount of choices apart from people who are playing as female Dalish elves, and that doesn't necessarily translate as straight women. It's not only straight women who are going to play as that PC.
Solas is one very restricted romance. He doesn't equal inequality.
He does, actually. Unless Cullen is gated, any straight woman planning a straight female Inquisitor will have three choices. That one of those choices hinges on playing an elf doesn't change the fact that it is an option she has. Right now, any gay man or woman/straight man who does the same only has two choices, regardless.
And it doesn't matter that non-straight and/or non-women are going to play female Lavellans and romance Solas. What matters is that it is a heterosexual relationship and a lot of non-heterosexual people resent being forced into m/f relationships in these games in order to have the same amount of content.
This is what I'm saying; If there are going to be extra options, sometimes it's alright if they go to gay men and lesbians. Gay men and lesbians have had far fewer options in Bioware games than either straight women or straight men. If someone is going to come up short, sometimes it's alright for that to be straight people of either gender. I'm not saying it should always be, but, as it stands, it's always been gays/lesbians on the whole. Often we've gotten literally zero options. The only games we've gotten more than one option in are DA2 and ME3. I absolutely hope that they will offer balanced options for everyone in future games, but if they have a situation where one demographic will be shorted or one will get more, I think it's alright to let gays/lesbians get more, because they've always gotten far less to date.
Do you really think that's so selfish? Isn't it at least equally selfish to say you should keep getting more than those who have gotten less in the past, if someone is going to get less?
I never said straight females should get more! Thats putting words in my mouth. But I say the same thing for feminism as I do for LGBT rights in this case. I would argue Females should get the same amount as males, not more. Thats equality. You are saying it would be okay for us to get less if you got more. That is not equality.
So if Solas had been gay instead of straight, that would be okay, even though you'd be getting more than us? Thats not equality.
In a perfect world, yes, he would have been bi, and we'd all have equal options. But as Mark said, It apparently makes 'SUPER story sense'. Whether thats a good thing or not, bioware always put character first and romance second. They probably created his character, his story, and when it came to choosing romance, realised, okay, yeah, we can make Solas a romance, but it ONLY makes sense for a female elf.
As a side note, no, I'm not happy Solas is straight only. I'm not happy he's elf only. I wouldn't be fully happy if he was bi and elf only. I do think its unfairly restrictive. I just don't like how your saying its okay to take from one group to benefit another, simply because you're in the group it would benefit.
I never said straight females should get more! Thats putting words in my mouth. But I say the same thing for feminism as I do for LGBT rights in this case. I would argue Females should get the same amount as males, not more. Thats equality. You are saying it would be okay for us to get less if you got more. That is not equality.
So if Solas had been gay instead of straight, that would be okay, even though you'd be getting more than us? Thats not equality.
In a perfect world, yes, he would have been bi, and we'd all have equal options. But as Mark said, It apparently makes 'SUPER story sense'. Whether thats a good thing or not, bioware always put character first and romance second. They probably created his character, his story, and when it came to choosing romance, realised, okay, yeah, we can make Solas a romance, but it ONLY makes sense for a female elf.
As a side note, no, I'm not happy Solas is straight only. I'm not happy he's elf only. I wouldn't be fully happy if he was bi and elf only. I do think its unfairly restrictive. I just don't like how your saying its okay to take from one group to benefit another, simply because you're in the group it would benefit.
we're in a group that never never neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever got one more option. we always got less than others. that's the point. and that's why I think it's okay if we would get at least one more option then heterosexual gamers in one single game. This wouldn't kill you...no matter if you're straight male or female.
I never said straight females should get more! Thats putting words in my mouth. But I say the same thing for feminism as I do for LGBT rights in this case. I would argue Females should get the same amount as males, not more. Thats equality. You are saying it would be okay for us to get less if you got more. That is not equality.
So if Solas had been gay instead of straight, that would be okay, even though you'd be getting more than us? Thats not equality.
In a perfect world, yes, he would have been bi, and we'd all have equal options. But as Mark said, It apparently makes 'SUPER story sense'. Whether thats a good thing or not, bioware always put character first and romance second. They probably created his character, his story, and when it came to choosing romance, realised, okay, yeah, we can make Solas a romance, but it ONLY makes sense for a female elf.
As a side note, no, I'm not happy Solas is straight only. I'm not happy he's elf only. I wouldn't be fully happy if he was bi and elf only. I do think its unfairly restrictive. I just don't like how your saying its okay to take from one group to benefit another, simply because you're in the group it would benefit.
I think we are having a misunderstanding here. I'm not saying you said you hope gay people get less options. This is what I'm saying;
A.) Ideally, I would like for everyone to get the same amount of options. This is what I would like to happen. I don't want anyone to get less than anyone else.
B.) Bioware has always given straight people more options than gays and lesbians and continue to do so.
C.) I think it would be alright, if they will not go with equal options, if sometimes gays/lesbians got more options than straight people.
Does that make it any more clear? I'm seriously not trying to argue with you or twist your argument, so I hope this did not come across as hostile.
I'm somehow worried about this "super story sense" for Solas to be interested in female elves only, but we'll see how it goes. Anyway, what's done is done and there's no point in arguing about equality in romances. We have unique characters with their preferences, unlike in DA2, where everyone was bi, so there are less options for each Inquisitor, but hopefully, they'll be more personalised.
I'm not too happy either as my original plans have to change if I want to have a choice in romances.
I have already began changing my canon Inquisitor into elf 
Still a mage, mostly same character, just different race. Now I need to know and hopefully someone here could help me: At what age can magic abilities show up? I think I have a story, but I need some more details that make my Inquisitor distinct from others even if it is just my headcanon 
Changing to elf costs me a lot unfortunately. I have planned my Inquisitor for so long... but I always wanted to play as an elf too. My planned Inquisitor was crazy abut elven lore, elves, secrets, long lost ancient knowledge. She wasn't that different from some elves I guess, to bad Solas can't see that
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