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[TheyCallMeBunny]

He's not suddenly mortal - Morrigan explains after TOM that when we slay the dragon his body-hopping ability is disrupted. It's been confirmed by either Laidlaw or Darrah on Twitter that it's indeed the case. So after killing of the dragon and part of Cory's soul returning to him, it seems that he's temporarily unable to hop to anything and it opens to Inquisitor a window of opportunity to kill the bastard for good.

 

I need to really be less confusing when I write - we are on the same page, I meant that he became mortal in the sense that he couldn't body hop anymore, that he couldn't use "effective immortality" to elude death. I still find it all a bit fuzzy and my personal opinion is that it could have been explained a bit better in-game, as it is it kinda feels like instead of it being part of some interesting lore they just added it to give us a dragon boss-battle. 

[Ellawynn]

I need to really be less confusing when I write - we are on the same page, I meant that he became mortal in the sense that he couldn't body hop anymore, that he couldn't use "effective immortality" to elude death. I still find it all a bit fuzzy and my personal opinion is that it could have been explained a bit better in-game, as it is it kinda feels like instead of it being part of some interesting lore they just added it to give us a dragon boss-battle. 

 

I feel like they did it just to give us a way to defeat Corypheus. I mean... it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in-game, does it? He can't be killed like an archdemon, but he can be killed because he was... uh, sharing his immortality or something with a dragon? Something which has never been brought up as possible, much less desirable, before or since?  Okay... 

 

Really the whole plot with Cory was kind of a wreck after Haven. Makes me wonder if the writers were so focused on Solas that they barely gave any thought to his set-up villain, or if they originally had something else planned and had to slap together the Cory plot last minute. 

[NightSymphony]

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[dawnstone]

Thanks, I need some. Cake is good the brain.... I need some to think. {: and does anyone like the Female Lavellan I finally got photo snapped after a couple of months of not knowing how to do so? I figured it out! And i took of my 100% unmodded Female Lavellen.

I can't see any images except the ones you quoted, maybe link your Lavellan? If she's the same as in your icon, she's cute.

[Kadan]

Chapter 18 of In Dreams Lay Answers is posted. The next chapter will finally get everyone to Skyhold. I'm almost afraid to think what my word count will be when I finally get to the end of this. It's almost hit 65K words and I doubt it's halfway written.

 

Both sites have the same version. Still a number of chapters before things heat up between our two lovebirds.

[midnight tea]

I feel like they did it just to give us a way to defeat Corypheus. I mean... it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in-game, does it? He can't be killed like an archdemon, but he can be killed because he was... uh, sharing his immortality or something with a dragon? Something which has never been brought up as possible, much less desirable, before or since?  Okay... 

 

Really the whole plot with Cory was kind of a wreck after Haven. Makes me wonder if the writers were so focused on Solas that they barely gave any thought to his set-up villain, or if they originally had something else planned and had to slap together the Cory plot last minute. 

 

No, he wasn't sharing his immortality with a dragon - he was immortal long before that. That's the reason why he was locked in that Warden prison.

 

Morrigan explains that it's his pride that will doom him - he got himself a dragon and invested part of his power in it NOT because it's a horcrux, but in order to emulate the Old Gods (or so he thought, because it's suggested that he learned the knowledge of how to do it through the orb). The dragon was very much an expensive "status pet".

 

Thing is, that in order to create such pet, he had to put some power and his own being in it - and when we kill that dragon, part of his soul rushes back into him, temporarily disrupting his ability to body hop.

 

It suggests two things - that his, or Archdemon's immortality, is effectively similar to that of ancient elves/Evanuris (how else the well Of Sorrows would have information on how to beat him? And does that mean that Blight magic is a corrupted form of ancient elfy magic?), and that Evanuris either had such pets themselves, or it was part of something more elaborate. It may even be that this is how Mythal was killed - they killed a powerful pet of hers and then struck the killing blow.

 

In other words, rather than being underwritten (that part at least), I think the way Corypheus uses the power (he barely understands) and how it ends him reveals hints about bigger plot.

[Ellawynn]

 

 

I understood how his immortality worked, and that the dragon wasn't acting as horcrux or anything. It just seems like a random addition for the sake of easy victory to me (It also doesn't make a lot of sense to me from "rules" standpoint, but then there are like three different explanantions for how the Veil works, never mind the various abilities you can get over the games, so I'm guessing BioWare isn't too concerned with their own rules.). Granted, that's what I feel about pretty much anything that can be explained as "The villain did this obviously stupid thing because superiority complex and it conveniently leaves the heroes an easy way to defeat them because shhh just enjoy the pretty particle effects." It's so... cartoonish. 

 

But eh, whatever, it's over and done with. And at least the upcoming antagonist looks to be far more interesting...

[Arshes Nei]

The Keepers of Fear:

 

 

 

AH! You found it! Yes, I just find this particular codex quite interesting when you pair it with what is known about Titans, red lyrium, and the Forgotten Ones. May be using something like this for my fic....

[Sable Rhapsody]

Meanwhile, I found the entire play of "Trespasser" surprisingly moving, and I was most delighted that so many companions actually referenced Solas leaving, and their worry and affection for you.  The one that moved me most was -- surprisingly -- Sera. I weirdly had fabulous approval with Sera on this character, despite her being the elfiest-elf ever, but she also adored Sera and let her have her thoughts without arguing them (she chose her battles -- no point to yell at her for believing differently), so for the first time I'd been able to have the rooftop time with Sera, etc. And in Trespasser, Sera's frantic increasing worry and palpable love for the Inquisitor really got to me. She expresses her sorrow at Solas breaking her heart, and as the Inquisitor begins to show signs that the Mark will kill her, Sera is just frantic, and in the final dash and battles, just frantic to save her and it's so sweet, going, "Solas will help. He owes us, yeah? He has to help. He loves you. He has to help," and I just found that so moving in so many ways, not least because Solas is probably the person Sera hates most. But anything for her friend.

 

I didn't know Sera does that.  I had Cass, Dorian, and Bull with me for the final run before meeting Solas.  Oh Sera   I agree--her character development in Trespasser was fantastic.  With friends like these, who needs apocalypse boyfriend? 

[midnight tea]

I understood how his immortality worked, and that the dragon wasn't acting as horcrux or anything. It just seems like a random addition for the sake of easy victory to me (It also doesn't make a lot of sense to me from "rules" standpoint, but then there are like three different explanantions for how the Veil works, never mind the various abilities you can get over the games, so I'm guessing BioWare isn't too concerned with their own rules.). Granted, that's what I feel about pretty much anything that can be explained as "The villain did this obviously stupid thing because superiority complex and it conveniently leaves the heroes an easy way to defeat them because shhh just enjoy the pretty particle effects." It's so... cartoonish. 

 

But eh, whatever, it's over and done with. And at least the upcoming antagonist looks to be far more interesting...

 

Eh, I suppose it depends on personal perspective on Cory - if you view him as a threat on his own, no strings attached, then I can see how it can be disappointing.

 

Personally I see Corypheus more like a catalyst for the story, formation of Inquisition and unfolding a bigger scheme, rather than an individual threat - someone whose mind was sharp enough that he almost conquered the South with a demon army and Thedas' past heroes on his leash, but was warped by the Blight so much, that he's made some serious missteps.

 

Plus, I enjoy the grand irony of the world being effectively saved by a pretty straightforward villain way too much to ignore it That part I genuinely love.

[midnight tea]

I didn't know Sera does that.  I had Cass, Dorian, and Bull with me for the final run before meeting Solas.  Oh Sera   I agree--her character development in Trespasser was fantastic.  With friends like these, who needs apocalypse boyfriend? 

 

Well, Lavellan, apparently

[Elessara]

I understood how his immortality worked, and that the dragon wasn't acting as horcrux or anything. It just seems like a random addition for the sake of easy victory to me (It also doesn't make a lot of sense to me from "rules" standpoint, but then there are like three different explanantions for how the Veil works, never mind the various abilities you can get over the games, so I'm guessing BioWare isn't too concerned with their own rules.). Granted, that's what I feel about pretty much anything that can be explained as "The villain did this obviously stupid thing because superiority complex and it conveniently leaves the heroes an easy way to defeat them because shhh just enjoy the pretty particle effects." It's so... cartoonish. 

 

But eh, whatever, it's over and done with. And at least the upcoming antagonist looks to be far more interesting...

 

One thing to keep in mind is that all of the "rules" and explanations we get about magic and the Fade and the Veil are all in world perspectives.  It's what people in the world believe and may not necessarily be true or correct.  It's not necessarily Bioware not following their own rules or being concerned with them it's that we don't really know what the rules are.  We think we know because the game tells us things but what we know is based on incomplete or possibly faulty information because the people in the world don't really know.

[roselavellan]

 

I think this is such an intriguing idea, but I don't think it fits. Solas even says in one of the final dialogue options in "Trespasser," (when she asks "are you like Mythal?") he says, "No. I have always been what I am." He always speaks of himself as "Solas first." It would actually lessen the story for me if he were somehow dehumanized -- I prefer the explanation that he took an action that ended up saving yet damning his people as the person we see now.

 

Oh, I completely agree with you. I am very much attached to the idea of Solas as we know him, and I would very much prefer if he was always like this.

 

However it seems to be a pretty common theory that he was once a spirit, made even more likely by Cole's comment in Trespasser: "He did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face."   In any case, even if he was originally a spirit, I think it's fairly likely that he was Solas in the events that DA refers to.

[Tess]

I'm gonna throw screenshots here...because I took them, and hoarding them on my PC would probably indicate certain obsession, and I am not obsessed. M'key? I am not. I am doing it for the fandom. See? Fandom. I include my Lavellan because I am a narcissistic piece of work and gotta show her off, too. No hair/skin/eye mods or things, I play vanilla when it comes to looks

 

All from http://umabbas.tumblr.com/

 

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Solas & fiery sword

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Solas in the background...is counted, yes?

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Balcony

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[NightSymphony]

Grrrrr...the game crashed when I tried to play Descent. I had to turn all my mods off and now it's fine. Just annoying.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Grrrrr...the game crashed when I tried to play Descent. I had to turn all my mods off and now it's fine. Just annoying.

 

Descent and Trespasser play nice with some mods but not others.  There's a master list of mod issues for the various DLC on the left side of the DAI Modder site.

[Cee]

I didn't know Sera does that.  I had Cass, Dorian, and Bull with me for the final run before meeting Solas.  Oh Sera   I agree--her character development in Trespasser was fantastic.  With friends like these, who needs apocalypse boyfriend? 

 

I had Cass, Dorian, and Cole, and I couldn't imagine doing it with any others, but that's really sweet of Sera.  

[Cee]

Eh, I suppose it depends on personal perspective on Cory - if you view him as a threat on his own, no strings attached, then I can see how it can be disappointing.

 

Personally I see Corypheus more like a catalyst for the story, formation of Inquisition and unfolding a bigger scheme, rather than an individual threat - someone whose mind was sharp enough that he almost conquered the South with a demon army and Thedas' past heroes on his leash, but was warped by the Blight so much, that he's made some serious missteps.

 

Plus, I enjoy the grand irony of the world being effectively saved by a pretty straightforward villain way too much to ignore it That part I genuinely love.

 

I share your opinion on Corypheus. He's a tragic figure and a straightforward villain but he's, ultimately, a pawn too, even though he managed to surprise even Solas with his survival, and thus, that was what saved everything and even ultimately led to Solas himself even changing to some degree if friend/love.

 

So many complain about Cory being too light a threat but once you have the full picture, it's more layers of depth and also additional tragedy and variations on pride, faith, and desire to change the world and affect people's lives. And deconstruction of such, in degrees.

 

David Gaider did a panel at GX3/GaymerX this weekend and people were livetweeting. One of the things he said was he did the initial planning/writing out Solas' major points before Weekes came aboard to write him and the entirety of DAI basically rested upon Solas, so a lot of that planning was clearly from the start, which we knew, but how it shows that you think there's one threat and yet everything, ultimately, depends on Solas.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I share your opinion on Corypheus. He's a tragic figure and a straightforward villain but he's, ultimately, a pawn too, even though he managed to surprise even Solas with his survival, and thus, that was what saved everything and even ultimately led to Solas himself even changing to some degree if friend/love.

 

So many complain about Cory being too light a threat but once you have the full picture, it's more layers of depth and also additional tragedy and variations on pride, faith, and desire to change the world and affect people's lives. And deconstruction of such, in degrees.

 

I'm one of those people

 

I like Corypheus in concept as a villain.  But I think his implementation lacked punch.  The depth and tragedy and characterization is there but harder to find.  IMO it's easy to miss out on huge chunks of his character, and his limited screentime only exacerbated the problem.  Comparing him to Loghain, I felt like I got a very good idea of who Loghain was and why I should care about his story just by playing DA:O.  Same with Saren in ME1.  But I didn't feel like I had a good grasp on Corypheus until weeks after finishing the game, digging through his codexes and talking to other fans about him.

 

What's more, I never found Corypheus threatening after I got Skyhold.  He was scary at the beginning of the game because the Inquisition was small enough that he could overpower it.  Once the Inquisition became strong, it felt like everything we did steamrolled Corypheus instead of duking it out on more equal terms.

[Cee]

You were supposed to feel like you've been putting together a powerful organization over time, and thwarting him....only to find out what you were truly dealing with. Someone's mistake.

 

Still, I get the criticism, I just think the full picture mostly vindicates the depiction.

[drosophila]

I'm one of those people

I like Corypheus in concept as a villain. But I think his implementation lacked punch. The depth and tragedy and characterization is there but harder to find. IMO it's easy to miss out on huge chunks of his character, and his limited screentime only exacerbated the problem. Comparing him to Loghain, I felt like I got a very good idea of who Loghain was and why I should care about his story just by playing DA:O. Same with Saren in ME1. But I didn't feel like I had a good grasp on Corypheus until weeks after finishing the game, digging through his codexes and talking to other fans about him.

What's more, I never found Corypheus threatening after I got Skyhold. He was scary at the beginning of the game because the Inquisition was small enough that he could overpower it. Once the Inquisition became strong, it felt like everything we did steamrolled Corypheus instead of duking it out on more equal terms.

I felt like going the templar route gave me a lot more in terms of characterization of Cory. His thoughts at the shrine of Dumat did a lot to humanize him for me and show more of his perspective.

[Sable Rhapsody]

You were supposed to feel like you've been putting together a powerful organization over time, and thwarting him....only to find out what you were truly dealing with. Someone's mistake.

 

Still, I get the criticism, I just think the full picture mostly vindicates the depiction.

 

For me, since Corypheus feels less threatening, Solas's mistake feels...kinda daft TBH.  If it only takes my cute gremlin and her buddies a year to beat down this ancient darkspawn magister, that thousand-year sleep must have really dulled Solas's wits 

 

But I'm also picky about villains.  I like villains who make my blood run cold.  I look at them, and I wonder how the f*** the good guys will ever win.  They're always one step ahead, one gambit deeper.  They learn from their mistakes.  They learn from the hero's mistakes.  Which is why I'm so excited for the plot with Solas; I see the potential in him to be a really fantastic, terrifying antagonist.

[Cee]

I felt like going the templar route gave me a lot more in terms of characterization of Cory. His thoughts at the shrine of Dumat did a lot to humanize him for me and show more of his perspective.

 

I still never got that far with my one character that I did Champions of the Just with. I feel like they bungled a lot with Fiona, especially, and hate that you have to kill her if you go with the templars. I just read all those things in the codexes and wiki later though.

 

I did like the actual mission, mostly, though I think In Hushed Whispers is better. Still, I plan to  go templar alliance whenever I make my Trevelyan mage. She will be a slightly buttoned-up Andrastian who respects templar protection/agrees a bit with Viv, and eventually becomes part of the cutest couple of blonde mayhem with her eventual wifey.

[midnight tea]

For me, since Corypheus feels less threatening, Solas's mistake feels...kinda daft TBH.  If it only takes my cute gremlin and her buddies a year to beat down this ancient darkspawn magister, that thousand-year sleep must have really dulled Solas's wits 

 

But I'm also picky about villains.  I like villains who make my blood run cold.  I look at them, and I wonder how the f*** the good guys will ever win.  They're always one step ahead, one gambit deeper.  They learn from their mistakes.  They learn from the hero's mistakes.  Which is why I'm so excited for the plot with Solas; I see the potential in him to be a really fantastic, terrifying antagonist.

 

That cute gremlin managed to do what hasn't been done... well, probably since Andraste, and before that Fen'Harel - they've managed to unite people against a common threat long enough to actually push it back. We all saw what happened if we didn't seal the Breach and let Corypheus win in future Redcliffe; a year of that and we'd end up with a world ruined more than a Blight raging for centuries.

 

In many respects Corypheus wasn't the problem - the world is a problem in a state that it is. It's divided, torn by conflicts, takes more than it gives, to a point that a threat like Cory can rise and almost succeed. It throws in monsters and despair and twists even the most enduring heroes into more or less reluctant villains, or just betrays and/or kills them: Mythal, Fen'Harel, Andraste, Inquisitor in some respects after the job was done... Practically anyone who goes against this world and tries to change it either ends being corrupted or disposed of.

 

IMO the villain isn't Corypheus - it's the bleakness of the world itself. Cory wasn't as much of an individual threat as a symptom of a much bigger problem.

 

At least that's the impression I get so far. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I still never got that far with my one character that I did Champions of the Just with. I feel like they bungled a lot with Fiona, especially, and hate that you have to kill her if you go with the templars. I just read all those things in the codexes and wiki later though.

 

It's a pity.  Having played both now, I think I prefer the overall story with the templar arc.  I like Samson, but Calpernia is IMO better-written and gives more insight into the Venatori and Corypheus.  

 

In many respects Corypheus wasn't the problem - the world is a problem in a state that it is. It's divided, torn by conflicts, takes more than it gives, to a point that a threat like Cory can rise and almost succeed. It throws in monsters and despair and twists even the most enduring heroes into more or less reluctant villains, or just betrays and kills them: Mythal, Fen'Harel, Andraste, Inquisitor in some respects after the job was done... Practically anyone who goes against this world and tries to change it either ends being corrupted or disposed of.

 

IMO the villain isn't Corypheus - it's the bleakness of the world itself. Cory wasn't as much of an individual threat as a symptom of a much bigger problem.

 

At least that's the impression I get so far. 

 

Hmm...if that's the case, I think BioWare did a much better job of telling that story in DA2 than in DA:I.  There's not even a villain in Act 1 of DA:I.  It's just Hawke and company trying to survive in a city that was founded on the principle of stepping on the people below.  The Arishok and Meredith are villains, but they too are products of their circumstances and their own failings.  Had things been different, they might not have been bad guys, or at least not as directly opposed to Hawke.