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[drosophila]

I want to draw feelsy moments but also the sweet, happy moments. There is enough angst and pain to last a lifetime from DAI-onward, though I'd probably do some feelsy Solavellan too. But I really sometimes just go 'Solas who?' and would like to keep her in happier times with Nehn and draw cuddly girlfriend time and ignore that whole future thing.

 

Well, you know me with angst I feed on it. But I do like to take breaks into somewhat happier times, which are mostly with her bros or just shift my focus to the clueless cheese machine. So I definitely have the 'Solas who?' moments when I just want to write about friendmances. 

[midnight tea]

IMO the scene with Flemeth is echoed in the Trespasser goodbye with high-approval quizzy.  He's saving quizzy, whereas he killed Flemeth, but the mix of emotions is similar, which is both powerful and chilling.  He doesn't want things to be this way, but as far as he can see, he has no other path forward.  

 

Well, in both cases he basically resigned himself to hurting people he cares about - and in case of Inquisitor, especially approved one, basically burdening with what may yet be a pretty impossible task: finding a miraculous 'better way' to a plan not even a thousands-year old demigod was able to find, or a way to stop him (though I assume that that would be easier, at least on technical level, given that Solas pretty much tells any Quizzy "I won't say more to you, because there obviously exists a way for you to disrupt my plans").

[Cee]

Ah yes, Solas channeling the devs' "SPOILERS!".

[ladyiolanthe]

ME isn't done.  They're working on Mass Effect: Andromeda right now.  Supposedly it's releasing towards the end of next year ... I think.

As you can see from the icons under my avatar, I haven't actually played any of the Mass Effect games! (Something else to do to fill in the time before DA4, I suppose!)  So my only knowledge about is what I've gleaned from posts in the Dragon Age forums that say it was a trilogy.  Thanks for enlightening me!  

[CapricornSun]

Art post again.

 

The Unending Wake, Part 50.

Spoiler

Source: http://harellanart.t...e-travel-au-the

 

 

Moder Day college musical AU. (Solavellan)

Spoiler

Source: http://inquisiliciou...-may-or-may-not

 

 

Modern AU Solas looks like he's about to punish someone.

Spoiler

Source: http://inquisiliciou...this-shitty-old

 

 

Solas wearing that Halamshiral hat.

Spoiler

Source: http://theresa-draws...onceal-his-face

 

[Uirebhiril]

As you can see from the icons under my avatar, I haven't actually played any of the Mass Effect games! (Something else to do to fill in the time before DA4, I suppose!)  So my only knowledge about is what I've gleaned from posts in the Dragon Age forums that say it was a trilogy.  Thanks for enlightening me!  

 

Play it for sure. It's a space shooter, but the story is good and the characters are incredible. The trilogy aspect is because it follows the story of one character. Any new Mass Effect game will be its own thing, but set in the same world.

 

I still haven't looked at the Andromeda hype. Soon...

[midnight tea]

I have to wonder who here noticed this... That in DA's iconography more often than not the Fade and magic itself is represented by down-turned triangle?

 

Solas draws down-turned triangles frequently on his murals, each time it's something in the background or in empty spaces that represent air and/or sky - it's stuff that radiates from above and drops towards the Earth.

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

Spoiler

 

Interestingly enough, the dwarves are oftentimes shown in company of upturned triangle - more then likely representing Earth or Stone.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Th the Earth and the Fade is something of an opposite, but equivalent force.

 

Even more interestingly two of Solas tarot cards have rhomboids - so a merge of both.

 

Spoiler

 

 

At fist I thought it was supposed to represent the Veil - either his knowledge of it, or (post-Trespasser) that he's its creator. But now that I think about it, I think it  may as well represent Solas as an agent of balance (which, given the ying-yangish iconography surrounding him, is far from far-fetched); the one that is supposed to bring it back to the world, even if violently.

 

Another interesting thing to consider is that the mysterious Executors' symbol is a downward-pointed triangle with two wavy lines drawn through it - I assume therefore that they're either planning to do something magic/Fade oriented, or perhaps await the time when magic/Fade is permeated with... something else. They do after all say in a letter sent to Inquisitor that "they prepare for the day and hold vigil"... I wouldn't be surprised if they actually await the same day Solas does (totally betting on it being some kind of celestial event), in order to realize his plans.

 

Which, to me, means that the chance that we'd see them in DA4 is more than likely - they may even be pretty important.

 

I wonder in what role we'd see them though. Allied with the Inquisition? Allied with Solas? Someone else? A while ago I speculated that our next PC might in fact THEIR agent - and actually, I still think it is within realm possibility. A lot of us assume that we my as well be allied or picked as agents of Inquisition, myself included, but how interesting it would be if we were actually Executors first, and then we might decide who we ally with? Or perhaps we'd be able to pick a side during character creation (Inquisition agent, Fen'Harel agent, Executors? Maybe they'd even come with their own origin story or individualized crit path?) and then decide which  side we're actually supporting?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Well, in both cases he basically resigned himself to hurting people he cares about - and in case of Inquisitor, especially approved one, basically burdening with what may yet be a pretty impossible task: finding a miraculous 'better way' to a plan not even a thousands-year old demigod was able to find, or a way to stop him (though I assume that that would be easier, at least on technical level, given that Solas pretty much tells any Quizzy "I won't say more to you, because there obviously exists a way for you to disrupt my plans").

 

It does give me some hope for our idiot demigod, though.

 

The last two times he resigned himself to hurting people he cares about (Felassan and Flemythal), he killed them.  Or close enough in Flemythal's case.  Honestly, if he wanted to make sure his apocalypse plan went off with fewer hitches, he should have just killed quizzy too, for the same reasons why he killed Felassan.  Or if he didn't want to get his hands dirty, he could have let the Anchor run its course. 

 

But he didn't.  He saved quizzy, even one he doesn't like, because he didn't want even more chaos as a result of his mistakes.  Since TME, he's become less willing to kill people for his apocalypse plan.  So that's progress.  Baby steps

[ladyiolanthe]

 

My own headcanon is that my Lavellan begins to study the Fade so that she can manipulate realities and intercept him in dreams -- and simply talk to him again. After all, he's almost always there, accessible and watching. She just needs to figure out how to bridge the gap. I've got a fan-fiction all planned out. 

 

My Lavellan was a rogue, so she has some disadvantages in that respect.  That being said, she knows that non-mages can learn magical theory. (Thanks, Dagna!) So... a rigorous course of study will be undertaken. Probably with Dorian's help, when he can spare some time from trying to save Tevinter from itself. Finding a way to break down the Veil on a smaller, less destructive scale (like, maybe for individuals if the ancient elves are in fact dual-natured spirit and physical - to reconnect them with their lost spirits - or for smaller locations) than Solas is proposing seems like a gamble, but one worth taking. That will be only one of her strategies in trying to find a way to change Solas' heart. 

 

Playing high-stakes chess with an ancient might-as-well-be-a-god is stressful.

[ladyiolanthe]

Argh, this happens to me on occasion... the forum double-posts.  Very annoying. 

[drosophila]

It does give me some hope for our idiot demigod, though.

 

The last two times he resigned himself to hurting people he cares about (Felassan and Flemythal), he killed them.  Or close enough in Flemythal's case.  Honestly, if he wanted to make sure his apocalypse plan went off with fewer hitches, he should have just killed quizzy too, for the same reasons why he killed Felassan.  Or if he didn't want to get his hands dirty, he could have let the Anchor run its course. 

 

But he didn't.  He saved quizzy, even one he doesn't like, because he didn't want even more chaos as a result of his mistakes.  Since TME, he's become less willing to kill people for his apocalypse plan.  So that's progress.  Baby steps

 

Oh, that's a great point, actually. We're proud of you, Solas!

[drosophila]

Art post again.

 

The Unending Wake, Part 50.

 

That thing just wrecked my heart. Nicely done. 

 

   

[drosophila]

I wonder in what role we'd see them though. Allied with the Inquisition? Allied with Solas? Someone else? A while ago I speculated that our next PC might in fact THEIR agent - and actually, I still think it is within realm possibility. A lot of us assume that we my as well be allied or picked as agents of Inquisition, myself included, but how interesting it would be if we were actually Executors first, and then we might decide who we ally with? Or perhaps we'd be able to pick a side during character creation (Inquisition agent, Fen'Harel agent, Executors? Maybe they'd even come with their own origin story or individualized crit path?) and then decide which  side we're actually supporting?

 

OMG, I would SO play as an agent of Fen'Harel. Somewhat unlikely, but it would be awesome if there are two outcomes - bring down Veil or not, and you can play from either side fighting for either outcome, and it's somehow an equivalent choice. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

My Lavellan was a rogue, so she has some disadvantages in that respect.  That being said, she knows that non-mages can learn magical theory. (Thanks, Dagna!) So... a rigorous course of study will be undertaken. Probably with Dorian's help, when he can spare some time from trying to save Tevinter from itself. Finding a way to break down the Veil on a smaller, less destructive scale (like, maybe for individuals if the ancient elves are in fact dual-natured spirit and physical - to reconnect them with their lost spirits - or for smaller locations) than Solas is proposing seems like a gamble, but one worth taking. That will be only one of her strategies in trying to find a way to change Solas' heart. 

 

Playing high-stakes chess with an ancient might-as-well-be-a-god is stressful.

 

And what Dagna said about studying magic is definitely true.  Not being a mage, bringing an outsider's perspective, probably helps in some respects.  Solas might like to see himself as more open-minded than, say, a Circle-trained mage.  And in some respects he's right.  But even he comes to the table with a LOT of preconceived notions about the Fade and the Veil and magic.  They're just different preconceived notions from modern mages.

 

If no one's told you what the rules are, you treat the puzzle as if it has no rules.  And then you're more likely to come up with solutions that other people may not see.

 

 

Oh, that's a great point, actually. We're proud of you, Solas!

 

 

I mean, progress is progress, but it took him this long to work out that maybe he shouldn't kill people who care about him.  For a clever and intelligent man, he can be pretty dense 

[Cee]

I've stopped poking at this next chapter and posted it: http://archiveofouro...apters/12583430

 

This was full of complicated feelings and it came out in the writing process, and I hope, in the actual chapter. It references the "letter" chapter I posted a few days ago, and centers upon Nirwen and her little brother, and complicated feelings about everything. Changes having to do with her arm, the unknown future, her brother reading that letter, and lots of complicated feelings about Solas.

[Cee]

In case you haven't seen it yet, the new Trespasser bard songs are a free download until the end of the year:

 

https://www.dragonag...il?sf43292551=1

[midnight tea]

 

 

I mean, progress is progress, but it took him this long to work out that maybe he shouldn't kill people who care about him.  For a clever and intelligent man, he can be pretty dense 

 

Considering that he has trust issues the size of Mt. Everest after some people he cared about betrayed him in the past, and given that he gambles with the fate of the world relatively frequently I'm not entirely surprised Emotional damage and impossible stakes can bring to their knees even the wisest of us after all.

[drosophila]

And what Dagna said about studying magic is definitely true.  Not being a mage, bringing an outsider's perspective, probably helps in some respects.  Solas might like to see himself as more open-minded than, say, a Circle-trained mage.  And in some respects he's right.  But even he comes to the table with a LOT of preconceived notions about the Fade and the Veil and magic.  They're just different preconceived notions from modern mages.

 

If no one's told you what the rules are, you treat the puzzle as if it has no rules.  And then you're more likely to come up with solutions that other people may not see.

 

I've developed an appreciation for non-mages studying magic. Cause they're basically scientists. There are these forces, they can't simply control them at will, so they study them, finding ways to tame them with ingenuity. 

 

Science FTW. If we could save Solas and the world with science, I would worship DA forever. 

 

 

I mean, progress is progress, but it took him this long to work out that maybe he shouldn't kill people who care about him.  For a clever and intelligent man, he can be pretty dense  

 

This makes me think of some "Misunderstood Hero Anonymous" meetings with Fen'Harel, Magneto, Lelouch, and other similar characters, meeting every week to share their progress on not screwing up the world. 

 

Solas: Hi, I'm Fen'Harel. First of all, I haven't destroyed the world in at least two thousand years.

*everyone claps*

Solas: I almost slipped recently, but then I got help, and with the support of the Inquisition managed to stay clean.

*everyone claps again*

Solas: And just the other day I saw the Inquisitor whom I really care about and they got me through a really tough time. I could have killed them to achieve my goals. But I did not.

*more clapping*

Group leader: Your journey is impressive, Fen'Harel. And what is the next step?

Solas: Oh, bring down the Veil, obviously. 

[midnight tea]

I've developed an appreciation for non-mages studying magic. Cause they're basically scientists. There are these forces, they can't simply control them at will, so they study them, finding ways to tame them with ingenuity. 

 

Science FTW. If we could save Solas and the world with science, I would worship DA forever. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we actually win with... well, if not science, then at least sciencing the sh*t out of the problem (or at least, doing a large % of that).

 

As much as it's romantic to think that people can just make Solas change his mind if we just sit and talk with him or "show him the beauty of the world" (honestly, if we didn't manage to do this during the time with Inquisition, what chance we have NOW?), and as much as "power of friendship" or "battle of wills" or something of the sort may factor in, it's pretty obvious to me that this is not how things are going to play out. Solas likely won't be satisfied with anything other than a concrete solution.

[drosophila]

As much as it's romantic to think that people can just make Solas change his mind if we just sit and talk with him or "show him the beauty of the world" (honestly, if we didn't manage to do this during the Inquisition, what chance we have NOW?), and as much as "power of friendship" or "battle of wills" or something of the sort may factor in, it's pretty obvious to me that this is not how things are going to play out. Solas likely won't be satisfied with anything other than a concrete solution.

 

Yes, I've been thinking the same thing since Tresspasser. There are many indications throughout the game, even with an As*quizitor, that Solas does appreciate the beauty of the world. And if a romanced Inquisitor who does not give up on him can't change his mind, it's really not an issue of how much love he's getting. He's determined to suffer through this until he sees a practical alternative. 

[Elessara]

Play it for sure. It's a space shooter, but the story is good and the characters are incredible. The trilogy aspect is because it follows the story of one character. Any new Mass Effect game will be its own thing, but set in the same world.

 

I still haven't looked at the Andromeda hype. Soon...

 

I haven't seen much of anything out about Andromeda.  I hope they actually release information soon lol.

 

But agreed about the story and characters for the ME trilogy.

[Elessara]

In case you haven't seen it yet, the new Trespasser bard songs are a free download until the end of the year:

 

https://www.dragonag...il?sf43292551=1

 

 

Thanks, Cee!  I probably would have missed them.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Considering that he has trust issues the size of Mt. Everest after some people he cared about betrayed him in the past, and given that he gambles with the fate of the world relatively frequently I'm not entirely surprised Emotional damage and impossible stakes can bring to their knees even the wisest of us after all.

 

I know, and I do feel for Solas.  Mostly I wanted to use that golf clap gif  

 

 

Solas: Hi, I'm Fen'Harel. First of all, I haven't destroyed the world in at least two thousand years.

*everyone claps*

Solas: I almost slipped recently, but then I got help, and with the support of the Inquisition managed to stay clean.

*everyone claps again*

Solas: And just the other day I saw the Inquisitor whom I really care about and they got me through a really tough time. I could've killed them to achieve my goals. But I didn't.

*more clapping*

Group leader: Your journey is impressive, Fen'Harel. And what is the next step?

Solas: Oh, bring down the Veil, obviously. 

 

Now I'm trying to think who would be Solas's sober buddy.  There aren't very many good candidates in Thedas  

 

Cole is sweet, but I think Solas would need someone who can give him a swift kick in the rear when he really needs it.  Maybe Thrall from World of Warcraft.  Thrall changed the world and forged a better future for his people.  But he didn't do it singlehandedly, and that's IMO why it stuck.  And they can bond over mistakes in judgment that really messed things up (looking at you, Garrosh  )

 

Crowley from Good Omens would be hilarious.  Living, breathing, deeply obnoxious proof that anybody can change, even if they'll never admit it

[_Lucinia]

Thanks, Cee!  I probably would have missed them.

Same here!  Thanks for letting us know. 

Also so many fantastic posts today, I am certain I will run out of likes soon.  Here we are over a year since the game released and there's still information to dissect and put back together.  I may not respond to any of it, cuz well i am not as smart and insightful as most of you -- but I am enjoying reading the heck out of it.  Honestly this thread is sometimes what gets me itching to play the game again every time I step away.

[drosophila]

Now I'm trying to think who would be Solas's sober buddy.  There aren't very many good candidates in Thedas

 

Lelouch of Brittania. 

 

Seriously, guys, if you like Solas, give Code Geass a try. Lelouch is basically my headcanon for young Solas. 

 

He is cunning, a bit more hot-blooded, but also softer as a character, having some close family ties.

 

He is a member of the nobility in this very classist empire, and he is sick of how the regular people are treated, so he finds this group of rebels and becomes their leader, fighting to bring down the empire. 

 

He will make grave sacrifices to achieve his goals. At some point he even makes a speech how to bring about a better world, this world must be burned down.

 

So every other minute with him onscreen, I'm thinking, "Oh, hey, Solas, you're looking good in this AU."