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[Cee]

I was invested early in ME1 (first thing I did was go get Liara, and that was the best because I loved her immediately) but ME2 with all of the new characters, that took me time to get reinvested. And the new combat system. I kind of hated the game for the first two hours or so. I warmed up to it. Mordin was the first one I recruited and I love him so much.  Still, it was ultimately a great game, and I liked most of the characters a lot.

[CapricornSun]

I was invested early in ME1 (first thing I did was go get Liara, and that was the best because I loved her immediately) but ME2 with all of the new characters, that took me time to get reinvested. And the new combat system. I kind of hated the game for the first two hours or so. I warmed up to it. Mordin was the first one I recruited and I love him so much.  Still, it was ultimately a great game, and I liked most of the characters a lot.

 

It took me a while to get used to ME2's combat system but let's face it, ME1's combat system was kind of awful. (At least that was my opinion, when I first played ME1.) I'm not sure what it is about ME2's characters that made me like them so much but they just seemed more... interesting to me? Even old squadmates like Garrus and Tali I was more invested in them in ME2 than in ME1. 

[Cee]

I liked ME1's combat system, at least as an Infiltrator. I absolutely hated the ammo stuff and the lack of weapon/gear modding.

[CapricornSun]

I liked ME1's combat system, at least as an Infiltrator. I absolutely hated the ammo stuff and the lack of weapon/gear modding.

 

My Shepard was a Vanguard so maybe that's why my experience is different?

 

Oh god! Now you've reminded me of what my ME1 experience was like, which is basically me just spending 10 to 15 mins (I think) in the inventory screen turning all of my unused weapon/armor mods into omni-gel.   Remember, I'm such a hoarder in these types of games so in a way, I was glad they got rid of this.

[Sable Rhapsody]

My Shepard was a Vanguard so maybe that's why my experience is different?

 

Oh god! Now you've reminded me of what my ME1 experience was like, which is basically me just spending 10 to 15 mins (I think) in the inventory screen turning all of my unused weapon/armor mods into omni-gel.   Remember, I'm such a hoarder in these types of games so in a way, I was glad they got rid of this.

 

Inventory management; everyone's favorite RPG minigame  

 

I liked ME1's story, but boy is it clunky in terms of mechanics.  I don't mind the streamlining of the combat system, and I preferred 2/3 for both my Adept Shep and my Infiltrator Shep.  ME2 is probably my second favorite BioWare game ever, right after Baldur's Gate 2.  The music from the suicide mission never fails to give me epic chills.

 

To be fair, a good chunk of my preference for ME 2/3 comes from being able to give Garrus the headbutt of love 

[Cee]

Part of the reason was when they got rid of unlimited ammo and added ammo types, sniper rifle ammo always yielded the least number of shots. So it was sometimes frustrating if you couldn't land an accurate headshot, or you were forced to sort of ration your ammo and use something else.

 

As much as Garrus may have added for you, Sable, the lack of Liara outside the DLC hurt the game for me. I legitimately missed her.

[FernRain]

The Dread Pup. SO CUUUUUUTE!     

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Source: http://deliciouscitr...st/135425946892

 

Could be a pokémon.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Part of the reason was when they got rid of unlimited ammo and added ammo types, sniper rifle ammo always yielded the least number of shots. So it was sometimes frustrating if you couldn't land an accurate headshot, or you were forced to sort of ration your ammo and use something else.

 

As much as Garrus may have added for you, Sable, the lack of Liara outside the DLC hurt the game for me. I legitimately missed her.

 

If I started running low on Widow ammo, I went for the "cloak and punch" approach  Not necessarily effective, but very satisfying!  More effective in ME3.

 

As for the ME1 crew, I did miss everyone.  But it was Wrex's absence that I felt the most acutely in ME2/3, despite him being a prominent NPC.  I legit screamed with joy when he turned up in Citadel 

[TheyCallMeBunny]

I just had a thought - Danarius didn't simply improvise when he made his lyrium experiments on Fenris and other slaves, he had some form of blueprint for it. I vaguely recall (can not remember if it was in-game or from one of the WoT-books though) that someone said it was based on an ancient Elven technique. Does this mean that the Evanuris mined the Titans to make lyrium-warriors? Fenris' marks does look a lot like vallaslin. But if so, to what end? Were they used as a sort of royal guard or were they used so the Evanuris could war against each other? Fenris is more magic-resistant than most, so warriors such as he would have been very effective. Anyone remember anything else? 

 

I wonder if Solas could remove such markings...   

[Barnzi88]

I just had a thought - Danarius didn't simply improvise when he made his lyrium experiments on Fenris and other slaves, he had some form of blueprint for it. I vaguely recall (can not remember if it was in-game or from one of the WoT-books though) that someone said it was based on an ancient Elven technique. Does this mean that the Evanuris mined the Titans to make lyrium-warriors? Fenris' marks does look a lot like vallaslin. But if so, to what end? Were they used as a sort of royal guard or were they used so the Evanuris could war against each other? Fenris is more magic-resistant than most, so warriors such as he would have been very effective. Anyone remember anything else? 

 

I wonder if Solas could remove such markings...   

 

 

I also wonder if the Evanuris used lyrium directly in slave markings to control their slaves/drones and force them to do their bidding, not just have the poor souls wear it decoratively to reflect ownership. Like, if they tried to rebel in any way, the Evanuris can cause the markings to flare up painfully and render them immobile. 

[ladyiolanthe]

I also wonder if the Evanuris used lyrium directly in slave markings to control their slaves/drones and force them to do their bidding, not just have the poor souls wear it decoratively to reflect ownership. Like, if they tried to rebel in any way, the Evanuris can cause the markings to flare up painfully and render them immobile. 

 

Mythal is able to control an Inquisitor who drank from the Well of Sorrows just using her geas. I wonder which technique - lyrium vallaslin or geas - would be less hassle?

[Barnzi88]

Mythal is able to control an Inquisitor who drank from the Well of Sorrows just using her geas. I wonder which technique - lyrium vallaslin or geas - would be less hassle?

 

True...

I'm betting the geas would be stronger, since a certain Dread Wolf has a way to remove markings for good. How to remove geas, I don't know, I'm guessing that one could be near impossible to get rid of until their death...unless one finds way to free themselves of a geas in the next game, which I doubt.

[CapricornSun]

Art post. 

 

Solas reading in bed with Lavellan cuddling him.

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Source: http://gowithnoblebl...eli-isnt-always

 

 

Every time Lavellan returns to Skyhold... 

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Source: http://surlysara.tum...hold-to-dorians

 

 

If your vhenan is mad at a diplomat or agitated, just squish her cheeks and kiss her.

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Source: http://izzayylmao.tu...mat-or-sexually

 

 

Modern AU Solas in a manbun from the Solavelyan fic Starman and the Suffragette.

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Source: http://pyrrhy.tumblr...d-her-modern-au

 

 

Smug-looking concept!Solas.

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Source: http://dearasteria.t...s-too-damn-high

 

 

Trespasser Solas.

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Source: http://monstertree-a...-my-lunch-brake

 

 

Solas in a scarf.

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Source: http://monstertree-a...ar-wars-and-its

 

[TheyCallMeBunny]

It is interesting to note that in the scene with Mythal, Morrigan and Kieran an Inquisitor who drank from the Well will display markings when Mythal uses her power on them.

 

 

 

Jump to 3:49 to see them.

[midnight tea]

It is interesting to note that in the scene with Mythal, Morrigan and Kieran an Inquisitor who drank from the Well will display markings when Mythal uses her power on them.

 

*snip*

 

Jump to 3:49 to see them.

 

Yes, but those aren't resembling anything "vallaslin'y"...

 

I'm actually more curious about the fact that if we try and attack her and she can control Morrigan, Flemeth later says "In this place my power is greater than yours".

 

Soooo.... Morrigan is already stronger than Flemythal?

[TheyCallMeBunny]

Yes, but those aren't resembling anything "vallaslin'y"...

 

I'm actually more curious about the fact that if we try and attack her and she can control Morrigan, Flemeth later says "In this place my power is greater than yours".

 

Soooo.... Morrigan is already stronger than Flemythal?

 

I never said they resembled vallaslin, I just think it is interesting that markings are displayed at all. Of course, this might simply be a way for the writers to make it more apparent that the Inquisitor is being controlled since Morrigan never displayed any visible markings.

[midnight tea]

On that note.. I've recently watched all the scenes and dialogue options available during encounter with Mythal

 

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...and a few things gave me pause. Particularly one, when human Inky says (around 8:05) "Mythal was an elf, and your'e a..."

 

She responds: "Human? Not a word many have used for me in a very long time".

 

And one thing I've noticed is that whenever the remaining elvhen gods use the phrase "very long time" it is INDEED very long.

 

She later remarks after all that it has been a very long time since anyone had drank from the well - and we can safely assume that since Abelas was likely the last one, it must've been somewhere propr to the creation to the Veil. Solas uses "very long time" to tell Lavellan that he's not been intimate with anyone for... well, thousands of years, probably, given that he fell unconscious after he created the Veil.

 

So... wait.

 

Possible Plot Twist: MYTHAL WAS ALWAYS A HUMAN (or at the very least 'human' was one of her shapes).

 

And yes, I know that if we say with an elf that Mythal was an elf, Flemythal confirms... Thing is, Mythal never really says that she was an elf per se, only that Mythal was "one of the People" - and who exactly is "of the People" at this point is not as obvious as it may seem. According to Abelas and Solas modern elves aren't "the People" after all, so the shape of one's ears may actually not matter as much as, perhaps something more magical or spiritual in nature - a suspicion I've had for a while now.

[Ellawynn]

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I'm... pretty sure the "Haven't been called that in a while" remark is because everyone - even the Dalish - assumes the Witch of the Wilds isn't human. You can flat-out ask Morrigan what Flemeth is, even when you've got no real reason to suspect her of being anything but a crazy old woman living in a hut.

 

So, yeah, she probably hasn't been called human in a long time, because she isn't human, and hasn't been since Mythal came to her, which was probably a long time ago. You have to remember it's not just Mythal we're talking to there.

[midnight tea]

I'm... pretty sure the "Haven't been called that in a while" remark is because everyone - even the Dalish - assumes the Witch of the Wilds isn't human. You can flat-out ask Morrigan what Flemeth is, even when you've got no real reason to suspect her of being anything but a crazy old woman living in a hut.

 

So, yeah, she probably hasn't been called human in a long time, because she isn't human, and hasn't been since Mythal came to her, which was probably a long time ago. You have to remember it's not just Mythal we're talking to there.

 

Like I said - beings previously known as elvhen gods seem to usually use the phrase "very long time" in a specific context (that is - the phrase meaning that it has been a very long time, even for them), usually going as far as referring to times prior to the creation of the Veil.

 

Plus, I did mention that Flemythal mentioned that she went to see who drank from the Well and that it has been - again - very long time since anyone's done it. It couldn't have been 'just Flemeth' speaking then. Plus, Flemeth has, either in DAO or in DAI, been melded together with Mythal for so long (she says she's no separate from her than one's heart of one's chest is) it's relatively hard to defend the assumption that both of them view the passage of time separately, or that they're much separate anymore in pretty much any respect.

[Elessara]

Like I said - beings previously known as elvhen gods seem to usually use the phrase "very long time" in a specific context (that is - the phrase meaning that it has been a very long time, even for them), usually going as far as referring to times prior to the creation of the Veil.

 

Plus, I did mention that Flemythal mentioned that she went to see who drank from the Well and that it has been - again - very long time since anyone's done it. It couldn't have been 'just Flemeth' speaking then. Plus, Flemeth has, either in DAO or in DAI, been melded together with Mythal for so long (she says she's no separate from her than one's heart of one's chest is) it's relatively hard to defend the assumption that both of them view the passage of time separately, or that they're much separate anymore in pretty much any respect.

 

Flemeth may have a part of Mythal inside her but she is not actually Mythal.  And she was at one point human but she is like, I don't know 400 some years old at least.  For the human that she was 400 years is a very long time.  We don't know how much of Mythal herself survived her murder; Flemeth does say that a wisp of an ancient being came to her.    

 

I don't think Abelas was the last to drink from the Well.  If the Inquisitor drinks from the Well you can translate the elven writing you find at the Temple.

http://dragonage.wik...e_Elven_Writing

 

But then, does time really register for an immortal?  Would they consider any length of time long when they judge it against eternity?  An hour could be the same as a century or a thousand years or ten thousand years to them because compared to forever that's not really long at all.

 

And how long has the Veil been up?  We don't know really.  We know the Tevinter Imperium was founded about 2,000 years ago.  But how long had the Veil been up at that point?  That's the part we don't know.  The Veil was most likely put up sometime before the Imperium was founded (speculating here) so even then that wouldn't be very long for an immortal.

[Ellawynn]

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I don't think it was just Flemeth - because it's never just Flemeth, but it's never just Mythal either, and taking everything Flemythal says as applying to only Mythal is a mistake. Flemeth was human once, and people called her human. Then she get freaky the soul of an ancient elven goddess, and now she's not. Hence why people haven't called her that in a long time. Everything she says, especially post-reveal, is referring back to the lives and experiences of two different people. Given how she still refers to Mythal as "she" and not "I," and how she can apparently give away Mythal's power and experience, I'd argue that she's probably more Flemeth than Mythal - which means her perceptions are going to favor Flemeth's perspective more than anything. 

 

Plus... I dunno, it seems like a weird stretch to me to think that everyone's using "a really long time" as a code word meaning "back in Arlathan,"  especially since only one of those parties really has to be coy about their wording - Mythal and Abelas (You never said anything about Abelas pardon me, I'm being dumb) can just be like "Yeah bro, back in Elvhenan..." 

 

Plus plus her mosaic portrait looks pretty elfy to me...

[midnight tea]

Flemeth may have a part of Mythal inside her but she is not actually Mythal.  And she was at one point human but she is like, I don't know 400 some years old at least.  For the human that she was 400 years is a very long time.  We don't know how much of Mythal herself survived her murder; Flemeth does say that a wisp of an ancient being came to her.    

 

For all intents and purposes Flemeth IS Mythal - if she wasn't, we wouldn't be able to summon her to her altar, nor would the Well allow her to control whoever drank from it. She herself tells us that Mythal is an integral part of her "no more separate than your heart is from your chest".

 

 

I don't think Abelas was the last to drink from the Well.  If the Inquisitor drinks from the Well you can translate the elven writing you find at the Temple.

http://dragonage.wik...e_Elven_Writing

 

Um... what do translated texts have anything to do with drinking from the Well? Most of them appear to be written before the collapse of Elvhen civilization - so prior to creation to the Veil. And the one you link was written by Abelas himself - somewhere after the death of Mythal, but before Solas sunders the world. Abelas writes after all that "they must prepare for those who cast Mythal down". We now know that those were the Evanuris, so at the time Abelas wrote that they must have still been free.

 

So, like I said - telling us "it has been a very long time" indicates that they reference times prior to the Veil, well before Flemeth was born.

 

But then, does time really register for an immortal?  Would they consider any length of time long when they judge it against eternity?  An hour could be the same as a century or a thousand years or ten thousand years to them because compared to forever that's not really long at all.

 

We all have a chance to observe Solas and note that he's not really confused with time or its passing - and every single time he's referred to time of distant past (or we can deduce that he does), before the Veil, it says that it's been a long time ago. So he knows and feels that it took a while; it didn't just pass him like a week or a month, or even a decade; nor minutes or even though he's spent 99% of time of modern Thedas' existence in uthenera - so a state of mind that was likely even more 'floaty' and fluid in terms of time perception than likely the unVeiled world was.

 

And how long has the Veil been up?  We don't know really.  We know the Tevinter Imperium was founded about 2,000 years ago.  But how long had the Veil been up at that point?  That's the part we don't know.  The Veil was most likely put up sometime before the Imperium was founded (speculating here) so even then that wouldn't be very long for an immortal.

 

Which is exactly my point! If "it has been a very long time" for an immortal, then it must INDEED have been very long ago, isn't it?

[Elessara]

For all intents and purposes Flemeth IS Mythal - if she wasn't, we wouldn't be able to summon her to her altar, nor would the Well allow her to control whoever drank from it. She herself tells us that Mythal is an integral part of her "no more separate than your heart is from your chest".

 

 

Um... what do translated texts have anything to do with drinking from the Well? Most of them appear to be written before the collapse of Elvhen civilization - so prior to creation to the Veil. And the one you link was written by Abelas himself - somewhere after the death of Mythal, but before Solas sunders the world. Abelas writes after all that "they must prepare for those who cast Mythal down". We now know that those were the Evanuris, so at the time Abelas wrote that they must have still been free.

 

So, like I said - telling us "it has been a very long time" indicates that they reference times prior to the Veil, well before Flemeth was born.

 

 

We all have a chance to observe Solas and note that he's not really confused with time or its passing - and every single time he's referred to time of distant past (or we can deduce that he does), before the Veil, it says that it's been a long time ago. So he knows and feels that it took a while; it didn't just pass him like a week or a month, or even a decade; nor minutes or even though he's spent 99% of time of modern Thedas' existence in uthenera - so a state of mind that was likely even more 'floaty' and fluid in terms of time perception than likely the unVeiled world was.

 

 

Which is exactly my point! If "it has been a very long time" for an immortal, then it must INDEED have been very long ago, isn't it?

 

Um ... we don't know when Abelas wrote what he wrote.  It may have been before or AFTER the Veil was created.  There is no reference one way or another.  We also don't know how long after Mythal was murdered that Solas put up the Veil.

 

And that was MY point ... immortals most likely wouldn't have any perception of what "very long time" is because it doesn't exist for them.  It's like people who live in the desert going, what's snow?  What is the passage of time to an immortal?  Nothing.  The very concept of "long time" may not even be in their vocabulary.

[CapricornSun]

Mini art post. 

 

Trespasser: Gorgeous artwork of Solas and Lavellan looking at each other as her arm disintegrates.

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Source: http://dominiquewess...y-made-it-wacom

 

 

The Unending Wake, Part 51.

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Source: http://harellanart.t...e-travel-au-the

 

[midnight tea]

I don't think it was just Flemeth - because it's never just Flemeth, but it's never just Mythal either, and taking everything Flemythal says as applying to only Mythal is a mistake. Flemeth was human once, and people called her human. Then she get freaky the soul of an ancient elven goddess, and now she's not. Hence why people haven't called her that in a long time. Everything she says, especially post-reveal, is referring back to the lives and experiences of two different people. Given how she still refers to Mythal as "she" and not "I," and how she can apparently give away Mythal's power and experience, I'd argue that she's probably more Flemeth than Mythal - which means her perceptions are going to favor Flemeth's perspective more than anything. 

 

All I'm saying is that Mythal and Flemeth have been for so long together that they don't think of themselves as separate, nor likely experience much as separate entities. They've both transcended way past their original timelines and bodies, yet the experience of both appears to be equally shared and felt by then both.

 

The fact that she refers sometimes to Mythal or Flemeth as separate entity means little, especially given the fact that Solas sometimes mentions Fen'Harel - his mask and something that was never really separate from him, ever - as separate being and sometimes as himself as well. It's not as much a matter of separate soul or separate conscience, but how they view themselves and what basically are their aspects now or then.

 

 

Plus... I dunno, it seems like a weird stretch to me to think that everyone's using "a really long time" as a code word meaning "back in Arlathan,"  especially since only one of those parties really has to be coy about their wording - Mythal and Abelas (You never said anything about Abelas pardon me, I'm being dumb) can just be like "Yeah bro, back in Elvhenan..." 

 

Yes, but we're talking very specific beings telling us something was 'long time ago', ey? Even Abelas mentions the passing of time and that the elves have destroyed themselves 'long ago' - a time that certainly happened prior to the Veil, given that he mentions that the shemlen didn't destroy Arlathan and that the entire war between Elvenhan and Tevinter was basically Tevinter scavenging the remains.

 

 

Plus plus her mosaic portrait looks pretty elfy to me...

 

Yes, and the mosaic of Fen'Harel looks very 'wolfy' to me Just like other depictions of Mythal look very... dragony. Other times she's Nike Of Samothrace

 

The fact that she is portrayed on official depiction of herself as an elf, while we all know that the Evanuris were false gods and did use propaganda means little. We don't really know what exactly the Evanuris were, aside from being powerful mages and "the first of Solas' people" - and what exactly that means, it's anyone's guess so far.

 

We do have an inkling from myths that surround Mythal is that her ancestry is curious at best though - Elgar'nan was "the first of the sun", but Mythal herself appears to have emerged from waters. And water - aside from the earth itself - appears to be more strongly tied to the Titans.

 

Speaking of water - I do wonder if perhaps all water isn't way more tied to the Titans than we suspect now. We do know that oceans are supposed to be 'Earth's tears' right? And every single time we know we're near a Titan they're surrounded by a ton of water.

 

It's especially curious that in Descent it's noted that the water has blue'ish, lyrium-like hue - and while it's not advised to swim in it, the same sort of blue'ish hue is noted in Lyrium Falls on Storm Coest (just above the Titan, as we know now), but by the time the water flows from the cave it appears to be normal water. In fact it seems to just be... a normal river. That later falls into the Waking Sea.

 

Soo... how much water comes from Titans themselves?