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[Uirebhiril]

Late to the thread...what is the significance of "blanketfort" in the title? 

 

In the aftermath of the Solas romance breakup and the reveal of who he really is, someone posted a picture of a blanket fort meant as a place for people to find solace and comfort with those going through the same experience. It kind of stuck and became our "official" place. So we get people who romanced Solas for the first time and are working through the feels, people who are angry at him after Trespasser and need a place to rant where they won't be judged, or just somewhere to retreat to after being told they are a Nazi-lover for liking Solas.   

 

But, really, the thread is just our usual group who wallow in the depths of theory crafting, character discussion, and story speculation. Less now than it has been, but that's normal since we're over a year out and the game is finished. It's a long wait until DA4.

[Elessara]

*groooooans*

 

Really body? Christmas is upon us, and you intend to betray me NOW?

 

Sorry for starting a discussion and disappearing again - for one reason or another I haven't been feeling well lately. Winter is sadly the season where all my bigger or smaller ailments tend to attack me with renewed force and have a chance to rob me entirely of will to do anything... which is not really fun, when there's entire house to clean for holidays  ...

 

Sorry to hear that!  Hope you feel better for Christmas.  =\

[DarthEmpress]

I don't know what horrible presence made me do this but it happened and it can't be undone.

 

Sometimes he thrills me through and through

Sometimes he’s sweet, sometimes he’s true

Then he goes and removes my damn tattoos!

He’s a demon, he’s a devil, he’s a doll 

 

He says he’ll call for me at night

And kiss me while grabbing my buns

Then takes my f****** arm and f****** runs!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s a darling, he’s a dreamboat, he’s a dog   

[CapricornSun]

I don't know what horrible presence made me do this but it happened and it can't be undone.

 

Sometimes he thrills me through and through

Sometimes he’s sweet, sometimes he’s true

Then he goes and removes my damn tattoos!

He’s a demon, he’s a devil, he’s a doll 

 

He says he’ll call for me at night

And kiss me while grabbing my buns

Then takes my f****** arm and f****** runs!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s a darling, he’s a dreamboat, he’s a dog   

 

Wow! I thought I was the only one who thought of Solavellan when I heard that song in Fallout 4. xD (And you sound so precious )

[DarthEmpress]

Wow! I thought I was the only one who thought of Solavellan when I heard that song in Fallout 4. xD (And you sound so precious )

 

OMG I wonder how many others thought the same thing! XD lololol my fave parts were belting out "HE'S A DOG!" because no one expects teh little girl voice to explode

[midnight tea]

Sorry to hear that!  Hope you feel better for Christmas.  =\

 

 

It's getting better already, though with stuff to do, I'd probably just be mostly flopping over the bed or couch after stuff around gets done around the house, rather than spy on forum activity, or throw in another speculation

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Gorgeous artwork of Solas holding Lavellan's hand. 

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Source: http://mushiart.tumb...-to-finish-this

 

 

Some cute Solavellan artworks.

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Source: http://solasromance....-her-love-solas

 

 

Looking Glass fanart: Everything's gonna be fine! ; v ; (Solavellan)

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Source: http://pyrrhy.tumblr...us-sweet-little

 

 

Lavellan isn't good with her feelings.

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Source: http://snidy.tumblr....d-with-feelings

 

 

Solas: Every time, Vhenan?

Mo Lavellan: Just testing your reflexes.

Solas: It hardly qualifies as a test if it presents no challenge, and is enjoyable besides.

Mo Lavellan: Your sin is indeed pride, my heart. 

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Source: http://surlysara.tum...st-testing-your

 

 

And lastly, I did a thing for the Solas Secret Santa. (NSFW)   

[Nimlowyn]

In the aftermath of the Solas romance breakup and the reveal of who he really is, someone posted a picture of a blanket fort meant as a place for people to find solace and comfort with those going through the same experience. It kind of stuck and became our "official" place. So we get people who romanced Solas for the first time and are working through the feels, people who are angry at him after Trespasser and need a place to rant where they won't be judged, or just somewhere to retreat to after being told they are a Nazi-lover for liking Solas. 

 

But, really, the thread is just our usual group who wallow in the depths of theory crafting, character discussion, and story speculation. Less now than it has been, but that's normal since we're over a year out and the game is finished. It's a long wait until DA4.

I've never been good at keeping up with character threads (they seem to go so fast), but I'm a Solasmancer who finally played Trespasser last Thursday and I really need a blanket fort lol. 

 

Third day out I am STILL processing this, but one thing I keep thinking about is this: Solas says "they" deserve to live in comfort before they die. Then, he says the anchor is killing you, and he is going to buy you a bit of time, but takes your arm, so presumably the anchor is no longer a problem for you. But you're going to die eventually...because he is going to destroy this world, right? I mean saying "they" gives me the impression that he is going to protect Lavellan, then taking the anchor away that is killing you is "buying you more time" gives me the impression that he anticipates she will die along with the world, but then he watches Lavellan in her dreams...maybe he is watching over her, trying to monitor her so she doesn't interfere probably, but also because he loves her and wants to protect her? Maybe?  Is he anticipating that he will kill her too, is he going to try to protect her, is he not sure he can? Does any of this make sense? 

 

I am so reeling guys. My Dalish was devout, she prayed every day, especially when **** was getting real. She loved Solas because she was a fish out of water and while she was brave, she was scared and uncomfortable and with his kindness and wisdom, his love.. he was the rock she needed. He helped her become the leader she needed to be. She honored tradition but was not afraid of change, like Cassandra, but this change was so profound it destroyed the Dalish religion, and by the end of Trespasser, she no longer prays at all. And the love of her life....yeah. I can't even with that one right now. She hasn't given up on him, her faith in his goodness is all the faith she has left. Such complex emotions. I am shell shocked and still processing. Thanks for listening.

[robertmarilyn]

I've never been good at keeping up with character threads (they seem to go so fast), but I'm a Solasmancer who finally played Trespasser last Thursday and I really need a blanket fort lol. 

 

Third day out I am STILL processing this, but one thing I keep thinking about is this: Solas says "they" deserve to live in comfort before they die. Then, he says the anchor is killing you, and he is going to buy you a bit of time, but takes your arm, so presumably the anchor is no longer a problem for you. But you're going to die eventually...because he is going to destroy this world, right? I mean saying "they" gives me the impression that he is going to protect Lavellan, then taking the anchor away that is killing you is "buying you more time" gives me the impression that he anticipates she will die along with the world, but then he watches Lavellan in her dreams...maybe he is watching over her, trying to monitor her so she doesn't interfere probably, but also because he loves her and wants to protect her? Maybe?  Is he anticipating that he will kill her too, is he going to try to protect her, is he not sure he can? Does any of this make sense? 

 

I am so reeling guys. My Dalish was devout, she prayed every day, especially when **** was getting real. She loved Solas because she was a fish out of water and while she was brave, she was scared and uncomfortable and with his kindness and wisdom, his love.. he was the rock she needed. He helped her become the leader she needed to be. She honored tradition but was not afraid of change, like Cassandra, but this change was so profound it destroyed the Dalish religion, and by the end of Trespasser, she no longer prays at all. And the love of her life....yeah. I can't even with that one right now. She hasn't given up on him, her faith in his goodness is all the faith she has left. Such complex emotions. I am shell shocked and still processing. Thanks for listening.

 

Throwing the blanketfort around you.  (Did I do it right guys?) 

 

After playing about 7 humans in DAI, I'm playing my first elf (in fact, this will be the first time I haven't played a human in all of the DA games), just so I can romance Solas. This is so not going to end well. I've never played an DA game before, where the romance didn't end happily. 

[Illyria]

Spoiler

http://thecopperkidd...ce-but-is-there

[Nimlowyn]

Throwing the blanketfort around you.  (Did I do it right guys?) 

 

After playing about 7 humans in DAI, I'm playing my first elf (in fact, this will be the first time I haven't played a human in all of the DA games), just so I can romance Solas. This is so not going to end well. I've never played an DA game before, where the romance didn't end happily. 

I don't see it being happy necessarily (I don't think that is Solas' path) but I do think there will be a DA4, and Patrick Weekes expressed a desire to provide closure on Twitter so...time will tell. One person pleaded to allow Lavellan and Solas to die together, so they could at least be together in death, and I was like GAAHHH.

[Sable Rhapsody]

After playing about 7 humans in DAI, I'm playing my first elf (in fact, this will be the first time I haven't played a human in all of the DA games), just so I can romance Solas. This is so not going to end well. I've never played an DA game before, where the romance didn't end happily. 

 

Unhappy is sort of my MO in Dragon Age.  My Warden who romanced Zev died, my Hawke who romanced Anders also died, and then I went for Solas with Lavellan.  I'm bad at happiness 

[ladyiolanthe]

I've never been good at keeping up with character threads (they seem to go so fast), but I'm a Solasmancer who finally played Trespasser last Thursday and I really need a blanket fort lol. 

 

*snip*

 

She honored tradition but was not afraid of change, like Cassandra, but this change was so profound it destroyed the Dalish religion, and by the end of Trespasser, she no longer prays at all. And the love of her life....yeah. I can't even with that one right now. She hasn't given up on him, her faith in his goodness is all the faith she has left. Such complex emotions. I am shell shocked and still processing. Thanks for listening.

 

Yes... in the battle with Corypheus, my Lavellan did actually say "I don't BELIEVE in gods!" All thanks to Solas. A 'god' is relative, really, isn't it? It's just someone you perceive as having more power than you / power over you. In certain situations, anyone can be a god. That was her philosophy by the end of the main game, anyway. And now Solas, who abhors gods, is planning to exercise godlike powers over her world.  She's conflicted to say the least.

[Kyartah]

I finished my Solas-romance two days ago and it keeps me thinking a lot! His behavour is completely understandable to a certain point but he's non the less a stupid guy!

Isn't it enough that he destroyed the world once? Must he do it again??? To remove the veil will not help his elven people at all. By now they do not remember how it was when both worlds were united so he would throw his people once again into misery! (And of course kill everybody else and release the "elven Gods" he made the veil in the first place!)

And if I got that one right, he now is also possessed from Mythal's ghost (when Flemeth died at the end of DAI) which is eager on revenge.

 

So what possibilities does Lavellan have?

Exorcise and kill Mythal... Then bring Solas to reason... Maybe a slow return to the "old world" might be a way, that does not kill everyone and Lavellan might live happily ever after with Solas?

 

Solas mentions in the dialogue at the end of DAT that "the first ones" are not easily killed... So what was before? Maybe "the Maker" created those first elves and helped after Solas's desastrous seperation of the worlds to bring "life" back to some balance? Maybe "the Maker" will intervene directly in Solas plan, because he's pi***d of cleaning up the shards and stops Solas before bringing doom upon the worlds again?

 

It's not said that Lavellan and Solas have to die to be together! I don't want to think this! I refuse to think this!

 

Solas suffers from his impetuous decision that brought so much suffer over his people so he should be open for more subtle changes that does not cause any more damage. And he deserves the love and help of Lavellan to overcome (at least some of) his pain. He seems to be someone that intends only good things but everything he takes into his hand shatters to pieces. So the ongoing fight from Lavellan, her attention and love for him will have an impact and give him peace if he finally accepts her?

 

So death is only one option but for sure not the best one!

 

 

(I'm not native english speaker but I hope you understand what I try to say!)

[Nimlowyn]

 

I finished my Solas-romance two days ago and it keeps me thinking a lot! His behavour is completely understandable to a certain point but he's non the less a stupid guy!

Isn't it enough that he destroyed the world once? Must he do it again??? To remove the veil will not help his elven people at all. By now they do not remember how it was when both worlds were united so he would throw his people once again into misery! (And of course kill everybody else and release the "elven Gods" he made the veil in the first place!)

And if I got that one right, he now is also possessed from Mythal's ghost (when Flemeth died at the end of DAI) which is eager on revenge.

 

So what possibilities does Lavellan have?

Exorcise and kill Mythal... Then bring Solas to reason... Maybe a slow return to the "old world" might be a way, that does not kill everyone and Lavellan might live happily ever after with Solas?

 

Solas mentions in the dialogue at the end of DAT that "the first ones" are not easily killed... So what was before? Maybe "the Maker" created those first elves and helped after Solas's desastrous seperation of the worlds to bring "life" back to some balance? Maybe "the Maker" will intervene directly in Solas plan, because he's pi***d of cleaning up the shards and stops Solas before bringing doom upon the worlds again?

 

It's not said that Lavellan and Solas have to die to be together! I don't want to think this! I refuse to think this!

 

Solas suffers from his impetuous decision that brought so much suffer over his people so he should be open for more subtle changes that does not cause any more damage. And he deserves the love and help of Lavellan to overcome (at least some of) his pain. He seems to be someone that intends only good things but everything he takes into his hand shatters to pieces. So the ongoing fight from Lavellan, her attention and love for him will have an impact and give him peace if he finally accepts her?

 

So death is only one option but for sure not the best one!

 

 

(I'm not native english speaker but I hope you understand what I try to say!)

 

I think by "the first of [his] people" he means the ancient elves in uthenera, who came before the modern elves. I do not think he views modern elves as his people. I think the mass exodus of elves are likely his agents and followers from the time of Arlathan, perhaps a scant few modern elves became followers, but I think he wants to restore the world for the remnant of ancient elves still extant, not the Dalish or city elves.

 

It brings me back to a romanced Lavellan...is he knowingly killing her too???

[drosophila]

Spoiler

http://thecopperkidd...ce-but-is-there

 

Felassan: You know, I would be trying to see if I can eat and entire stick of cotton candy during a single ride if someone hadn't killed me.

Solas: *sigh* Yes, my friend. Of all the misfortune my actions have wrought in this world, your food cravings are absolutely the worst.

Solas: Do go on about them incessantly.

Felassan: And funnel cakes. Did you know funnel cakes were invented after you created the Veil?

Solas: I did not. 

Felassan: And when you destroy this world, what will happen to funnel cakes?

Solas: Funnel cakes will forever plague my thoughts. Oh, no wait, that is you.

Felassan: And yet you ate two whole plates earlier.

Solas: Is there a peaceful way to get you to shut up?

Felassan: Do you see that whac-a-Vint stand over there? Go play, win a stuffed animal, and use one of your agents to deliver it to that girl of yours. 

Solas: I... Is that appropriate? We are not exactly together anymore, though they do have stuffed little wolves...

Felassan: I have heard you thinking of dream-stalking her. Appropriate is not how I'd describe you anyway.

Solas: I should probably include some cotton candy in the package. She would like that, I think. 

[Kyartah]

@Nimlowyn

Hmmm... Well maybe not???

I mean, Solas said the elves lost their immortality... But Solas's still alive and the guardians in mythal's temple and so on...

So how old do those ancient elves get?

IF they live very long Solas could just wait for Lavellan to die peacefully her natural death!

Otherways... yes he would probably kill her in full awareness.

Or maybe he would "save" her and take her with him into his new built world? *hope*

[Ellawynn]

 

I finished my Solas-romance two days ago and it keeps me thinking a lot! His behavour is completely understandable to a certain point but he's non the less a stupid guy!

Isn't it enough that he destroyed the world once? Must he do it again??? To remove the veil will not help his elven people at all. By now they do not remember how it was when both worlds were united so he would throw his people once again into misery! (And of course kill everybody else and release the "elven Gods" he made the veil in the first place!)

And if I got that one right, he now is also possessed from Mythal's ghost (when Flemeth died at the end of DAI) which is eager on revenge.

 

 

The big issue with Solas is that we still don't really know what he wants.

 

We can speculate and share ideas, but ultimately "Restore the elven people and restore the world of the elves" is pretty damn vague, all told. All we really know is that it involves bringing down the Veil, and that's probably bad for everyone on this side of things. But why, specifically, does he want to do that? What exactly is he after? Does he simply want to liberate the elves from their current oppression? Then there might be value in trying to change this world for the better. But does he want the magic and spirits and immortality back? Then bringing down the Veil is probably the only true option, and Lavellan's courses of actions are to convince him to give up his plans entirely or find a painless way to achieve them (Or sit back and let it happen, I guess.)

 

But we can't really say things like "bringing down the Veil won't help his elven people," because... well, we don't even really know that. It might be the only way of helping Solas' elven people... at the cost of everyone else. 

 

Either way, understanding Solas' motivations will be key to convincing him off his path. But we don't have enough information right now to fully understand what those are - he outright tells us he's not giving us everything we need.

[ladyiolanthe]

I think by "the first of [his] people" he means the ancient elves in uthenera, who came before the modern elves. I do not think he views modern elves as his people. I think the mass exodus of elves are likely his agents and followers from the time of Arlathan, perhaps a scant few modern elves became followers, but I think he wants to restore the world for the remnant of ancient elves still extant, not the Dalish or city elves.

 

It brings me back to a romanced Lavellan...is he knowingly killing her too???

 

I think he absolutely is, if you take his words at face value. Things sound pretty final when he says "The mark will eventually kill you. Drawing you here gave me the chance to save you... At least for now," and, for a romanced Inquisitor "I will never forget you."

 

However, as we know, with Solas everything has layers of meaning. I'm not sure that he knows exactly what he's going to do / how he's going to tear down the Veil at the end of Trespasser, with his orb destroyed. He uses words like "I will save the Elven people, even if it means this world must die," and "Because I am not a monster. If they must die, I would rather they die in comfort." (Emphasis mine.)  

 

When the Inquisitor asks him what was meant to happen when he let Corypheus have his orb, Solas replies "I would have entered the Fade, using the mark you now bear.Then I would have torn down the Veil. As this world burned in the raw chaos, I would have restored the world of my time... The world of the Elves." But he is speaking of what he would have done had he not encountered the Inquisitor and come to realize that the people in this world actually are real. He is not necessarily saying that this is still his plan. So... I think he is maybe hoping to find a way to not completely destroy this world as he restores his own... And maybe that's why he lets you go? Two minds are better than one?

 

On the other hand, when you accuse him of not even seeing the modern people as people, he does say "Not at first.You showed me that I was wrong... again. That does not make what must come next any easier." And, if you choose to ask him "Why does this world have to die for the Elves to return?" he replies "A good question, but not one that I will answer. You have always shown a thoughtfulness I respected. It would be too easy to tell you too much." Both of these responses suggest to me that, if he cannot find a less destructive way of restoring his world, he'll carry out his original plan of tearing down the Veil anyway, and so much for all the modern people who could be killed. (But I also wonder if his saying "A good question, but not one that I will answer" is because he doesn't currently know the answer...)

 

To sum up, I think he might be looking for a less destructive way of restoring elves with a conscious connection to the Fade, but if he can't find one, he'll tear down the Veil anyway, if he can.

[Kyartah]

The big issue with Solas is that we still don't really know what he wants.

 

[...]

 

But we can't really say things like "bringing down the Veil won't help his elven people," because... well, we don't even really know that. It might be the only way of helping Solas' elven people... at the cost of everyone else. 

 

Either way, understanding Solas' motivations will be key to convincing him off his path. But we don't have enough information right now to fully understand what those are - he outright tells us he's not giving us everything we need.

 

You are right, we have not enough informations (and it will most likely stay like this until DA4 is available)! And that means, there is a lot of time to speculate... 

[ladyiolanthe]

*snip*

 

To sum up, I think he might be looking for a less destructive way of restoring elves with a conscious connection to the Fade, but if he can't find one, he'll tear down the Veil anyway, if he can.

 

Just trying to figure out some of the other stuff he says that might refute the possibility that he is looking for a less destructive way to restore Elves with a conscious connection to the Fade, if he can...

 

If a romanced Inquisitor chooses the "I agree with your goal" dialogue option, this is what follows:

 

Lavellan: "Let me help you, Solas."

Solas: "I cannot do that to you, Vhenan."

Lavellan: "But you would do it to yourself? I cannot bear to think of you alone."

Solas: "I walk the din'anshiral. There is only death on this journey. I would not have you see what I become. It is my fight. You should be more concerned about the Inquisition... (etc.)"

 

I'm not sure if he means death for himself or death for others. When you come across the Qunari who died of terror in the shattered library, I am not sure if the Librarians killed them or if it was Solas in his Dread Wolf form. It seems likely that it was the Librarians, since they look like spirit fear demons, but... they only show up in the Courtyard of the shattered library when we meet them. I'm not sure if we should assume that they were moving around before Inquisitor & Co. run into them. If there's a risk of Lavellan dying just seeing him as the Dread Wolf, of course he wouldn't want her to see what he becomes. Also, pride demon/wolf hybrid = probably not conducive to warm, fuzzy feelings like love. Then again, he may literally be saying that whatever he's planning is going to be the end of him - ancient immortal elves can be killed, as evidenced by Mythal. Would he be so fatalistic if he thought there was a less destructive/guilt-inducing way to achieve his goal? I think we don't have enough information to understand what the "dinan'shiral" might actually mean to an ancient elf. This might have to wait until DA4 to be explained.  :/

 

Edited to add: Since Pride demons have been established by DA lore to be one of the most powerful demons, is Solas consciously choosing to become more prideful/less wise for the power, because he needs it in order to accomplish his goals, since he lost his orb? Could that be what the "dinan'shiral" is to an ancient elf - giving in to the darker emotions? (Or is that too Star Wars-y?   )

 

Another edit: Living Mythal seems to have been more Justice-oriented; her spirit strikes me as very Vengeance-oriented. So maybe 'dead' ancient elves are ones that have turned/been turned to the darker end of the spiritual spectrum.  I don't know.  I wish I didn't have to wait several years to find out!  

[Nimlowyn]

:snip:

@ladyiolanthe: An excellent close reading and a thoughtful post. His use of "they" in "If they must die, I would rather they die in comfort"  doesn't put the Inquisitor among the dying (at least ideally) and couple that with "Drawing you here gave me a chance to save you...at least for now" could indicate that he is willing to try further measures, as his plan progresses, to protect her. If he can (or will, ultimately). You've been very persuasive that his plan at this stage could be largely fluid; Solas may very well have much left to determine for his course of action. It makes me wonder what he's been up to in the last two years. He does not have the orb, but he does have the eluvians. And Mythal, presumably. The mass exodus of the elves makes it seem like he's closer to a post-orb answer. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I come peddling fanfiction that ISN'T smut.  WTF    to drosophila for beta-ing.

 

As far as there is a pairing, it's Adoribull, though I'm not really sure where to post that.  Neither the Iron Bull nor the Dorian threads around here seem particularly fond of that ship.  Post-Trespasser, featuring my Lavellan, Bull, and the Chargers rescuing Dorian from the Venatori ambush mentioned in his epilogue slide. 

 

Vitae Benefaria

 

EDIT: Oh, fine, Solas.  I'll pay attention to you too  You were mighty cute in Sims 4.

[ladyiolanthe]

Thanks, Nimlowyn.  It's food for thought, anyway.

 

Other things I have been wondering about is whether it's actually the Enavuris that started the Blight, and that is somehow tied in to Mythal's murder and the great betrayal... But that's just a feeling I have; I don't have any lore-based evidence to back it up, other than the similarities between the Evanuris and the Tevinter magisters of Chantry legend.

[FernRain]

Other things I have been wondering about is whether it's actually the Enavuris that started the Blight, and that is somehow tied in to Mythal's murder and the great betrayal...

 

I think the blight goes further back. Andruil found it in the void, which is the same place the Forgotten Ones call home (the supposedly 'bad' evanuris which Solas was related to). We also have the Dalish myth about Elgar'nan throwing the 'sun' into the void for a while, so who knows what happened when it came back out. I'm quite convinced the sun in myth is symbolic for whatever the 'sun' is in the fade, as it appears on one of Solas' murals and seems to relate to the 7 evanuris: