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[Nightspirit]

Speaking of Bakery AUs, I saw on renmiri's feed something about geeky-jez pulling her latest chapter of Bread Wolf, because some people were offended by it. Does anyone know what that's about? From the comments on it, it seems like she's attracted some notorious trolls and tumblr "activists". 

 

From the tumblr posts I've seen, I've pieced together that something happened in the chapter that was very similar to what happened in Paris last month.. and some people even felt it was only done to increase the angst for a banging scene.

Only speculating, haven't read the chapter in question.

[dawnstone]

By the time I went to see the new chapter it was gone I thought something might be up.

 

All I know is that at the end of the last chapter, the elves are rising on some mien'harel (an elven rebellion), so my first hunch when I saw the chapter was gone was that someone read too much into it and got p*ssed off. All speculation on my part.

 

From the tumblr posts I've seen, I've pieced together that something happened in the chapter that was very similar to what happened in Paris last month.. and some people even felt it was only done to increase the angst for a banging scene.

Only speculating, haven't read the chapter in question.

I'm not caught up on it, either. DA fandom has been pretty quiet since Trespasser, and I'm just wondering if people are bored and looking for things to get upset about.

[drosophila]

I'm not caught up on it, either. DA fandom has been pretty quiet since Trespasser, and I'm just wondering if people are bored and looking for things to get upset about.

 

With the caveat of not knowing the exact context, if someone gets upset because people use writing to reflect or make commentary about actual events, or simply use them for inspiration for fictional events, then the person who got upset is not grasping what writing is about, IMO. 

[midnight tea]

By the time I went to see the new chapter it was gone I thought something might be up.

 

All I know is that at the end of the last chapter, the elves are rising on some mien'harel (an elven rebellion), so my first hunch when I saw the chapter was gone was that someone read too much into it and got p*ssed off. All speculation on my part.

 

I was actually lucky enough to have a moment to check stuff and stumbled on the chapter - it wasn't anything offensive IMO, though probably because I saw it coming from miles away: Briala and her small group make some coordinated attacks on Orlesian soil. Solas is pissed off  immensely, since that wasn't the plan at all (he secretly supported her group, but the plan was to stick to espionage and subtle blackmail) and in his frustration he lashes out verbally at Lavellan, who is summoned to attend impromptu Arlathven together with her clan (you know - a rather typical "what I think about the Dalish and oops, she's hurt, I might have gone a bit too far" Solavellan routine).

 

Honestly, I have no idea what anyone's issue is - yes, the situation is vaguely reminiscent of attacks like the recent one on Paris, but the chapter is clear that this is an action of a small, wild fringe group that nonetheless may ruin efforts of city and Dalish elves to come together, as well as possible outpouring of distrust towards elves. So, there's a group of elves that decides to go a terrorist route - sadly realistic, but not really offensive, IMO.  

 

Not really something worth a drama - a thoughtful discussion perhaps, but not drama... unless someone is "offended" that a piece of fiction they read for escapism vaguely resembles real life, which I don't find enough of reason to be offended by. This particular piece of fanfiction may be based on a silly joke, but from previous chapters it's really clear that it touches more realistic issues, among them a struggle of historically discriminated and distrusted group of people to find their voice in a world resembling our own.

 

 

I'm not caught up on it, either. DA fandom has been pretty quiet since Trespasser, and I'm just wondering if people are bored and looking for things to get upset about.

 

More than likely. Someone tries to stir the drama for drama's sake, IMO.

[drosophila]

Not really something worth a drama - a thoughtful discussion perhaps, but not drama... unless someone is "offended" that a piece of fiction they read for escapism vaguely resembles real life, which I don't find enough of reason to be offended by. This particular piece of fanfiction may be based on a silly joke, but from previous chapters it's really clear that it touches more realistic issues, among them a struggle of historically discriminated and distrusted group of people to find their voice in a world resembling our own.

 

 

*nods*

[Tess]

I'm not caught up on it, either. DA fandom has been pretty quiet since Trespasser, and I'm just wondering if people are bored and looking for things to get upset about.

Recent years, people are always upset about something. Like seriously. Always. Something.

[drosophila]

Recent years, people are always upset about something. Like seriously. Always. Something.

 

IMO, people want to show that they care, that certain issues matter to them, sometimes even that they are or have been personally affected. 

 

It just worries me that it has come to be expected that if someone considers something important, the automatic reaction is to be upset when the topic is broached, looking for even the tiniest thing in what was said that they can disagree with and be upset about.

 

I really wish it were the opposite instead: that if certain issues matter, one would be willing and eager to discuss them, and then look really hard for the over-arching points of agreement. 

[CapricornSun]

Art post. (The whole drama over Bread Wolf must suck for geeky-jez at the moment. )

 

The Unending Wake, Part 56.

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Source: http://harellanart.t...e-travel-au-the

 

 

Fen'Inan's gorgeous sketch of Solas. 

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Source: http://umabbas.tumbl...-tool-on-note-4
 

 

Star Wars AU: Gray Jedi Solas.

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Source: http://theresa-draws...s-for-giving-me

 

 

Sweet Solavellan doodle.

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Source: http://merilinsurana...o-heal-my-heart

 

[MayriyaNoori]

IMO, people want to show that they care, that certain issues matter to them, sometimes even that they are or have been personally affected. 
 
It just worries me that it has come to be expected that if someone considers something important, the automatic reaction is to be upset when the topic is broached, looking for even the tiniest thing in what was said that they can disagree with and be upset about.
 
I really wish it were the opposite instead: that if certain issues matter, one would be willing and eager to discuss them, and then look really hard for the over-arching points of agreement.

Problem is, we live in the age of ego.

And the only way you can have a real, honest, thoughtful discussion about anything is to drop it.

[dawnstone]

IMO, people want to show that they care, that certain issues matter to them, sometimes even that they are or have been personally affected. 

 

It just worries me that it has come to be expected that if someone considers something important, the automatic reaction is to be upset when the topic is broached, looking for even the tiniest thing in what was said that they can disagree with and be upset about.

 

I really wish it were the opposite instead: that if certain issues matter, one would be willing and eager to discuss them, and then look really hard for the over-arching points of agreement. 

I know. A lot of tumblr discussion seems to go "I don't like "thing", so let me call down my group of friends upon this individual to bully them until they leave the fandom.", instead of, "I think this is a pertinent topic, and would like to read stories about things like this that personally affect and interest me, but I think this particular handling of the topic could have been done more carefully and sensitively. Here are some non-passive-aggressive, or non-aggressive-aggressive suggestions and observations, so that we as a fandom can make stories everyone can enjoy, and avoid offensive or culturally explosive portrayals/scenarios." <-- though this is basically impossible in with the current fandom culture and climate, even if everyone could agree on what is hurtful/offensive/pertinent and to what degree.

 

There are apparently people who won't play anything but white humans in Dragon Age, because they claim they don't want to appropriate the cultures or racial experiences of characters in a fantasy roleplaying game. Is it just me, or is that kind of working against the whole idea of roleplaying in general, and the power of these sorts of games to help people understand lives, lifestyles, and cultures outside their own, to create sympathy and empathy for others, and engender the sharing of feelings and ideas? Though I like to play elves and write smut about them, so I am probably very biased.       

[MayriyaNoori]

I know. A lot of tumblr discussion seems to go "I don't like "thing", so let me call down my group of friends upon this individual to bully them until they leave the fandom.", instead of, "I think this is a pertinent topic, and would like to read stories about things like this that personally affect and interest me, but I think this particular handling of the topic could have been done more carefully and sensitively. Here are some non-passive-aggressive, or non-aggressive-aggressive suggestions and observations, so that we as a fandom can make stories everyone can enjoy, and avoid offensive or culturally explosive portrayals/scenarios." <-- though this is basically impossible in with the current fandom culture and climate, even if everyone could agree on what is hurtful/offensive/pertinent and to what degree.
 
There are apparently people who won't play anything but white humans in Dragon Age, because they claim they don't want to appropriate the cultures or racial experiences of characters in a fantasy roleplaying game. Is it just me, or is that kind of working against the whole idea of roleplaying in general, and the power of these sorts of games to help people understand lives, lifestyles, and cultures outside their own, to create sympathy and empathy for others, and engender the sharing of feelings and ideas? Though I like to play elves and write smut about them, so I am probably very biased.

You and me both.

About playing elves and writing about them banging.

No better way to spread some love. In my opinion

[Cee]

I saw that come up, the playing other races thing, and roleplaying people not like you isn't appropriation, because there are ways to roleplay others without resorting to stereotypes and such, and if it's the case of humans, well, there's never anything wrong with a bit of research of you're looking for some things to round out a character.

 

And this is before we get to the fact we have fantasy races like elves and dwarves in play. Roleplaying, and by extension, even writing about people different from you can, as dawnstone says, be a good way to express or develop greater empathy in general. It's kind of ridiculous to me because....should all my characters somehow be portrayed as my exact ethnic mix and never men? Should I never write any male characters? etc

 

There's respectful and avoiding stereotypes and tropes, and then there are ridiculous lengths you could take this.

 

And that complaint came to the Dragon Age Confessions blog, where some readers were simply asking for more non-white characters used in the posts. Since the mods provide most of the screenshots, there weren't many. It was a reasonable enough request, IMO.

 

I had the Bread Wolf chapter loaded yesterday, but realized I hadn't read the previous one, so by the time I went to read the new one, it had been removed.

 

Doughnut Rebel was good though. I was glad to see an update.

[Patchwork]

I was actually lucky enough to have a moment to check stuff and stumbled on the chapter - it wasn't anything offensive IMO, though probably because I saw it coming from miles away: Briala and her small group make some coordinated attacks on Orlesian soil. Solas is pissed off  immensely, since that wasn't the plan at all (he secretly supported her group, but the plan was to stick to espionage and subtle blackmail) and in his frustration he lashes out verbally at Lavellan, who is summoned to attend impromptu Arlathven together with her clan (you know - a rather typical "what I think about the Dalish and oops, she's hurt, I might have gone a bit too far" Solavellan routine).

 

Honestly, I have no idea what's anyone's issue is - yes, the situation is vaguely reminiscent of attacks like the recent one on Paris, but the chapter is clear that this is an action of a small, wild fringe group that nonetheless may ruin efforts of city and Dalish elves to come together, as well as possible outpouring of distrust towards elves. So, there's a group of elves that decides to go a terrorist route - sadly realistic, but not really offensive, IMO.  

 

Not really something worth a drama - a thoughtful discussion perhaps, but not drama... unless someone is "offended" that a piece of fiction they read for escapism vaguely resembles real life, which I don't find enough of reason to be offended by. This particular piece of fanfiction may be based on a silly joke, but from previous chapters it's really clear that it touches more realistic issues, among them a struggle of historically discriminated and distrusted group of people to find their voice in a world resembling our own.

 

 

 

More than likely. Someone tries to stir the drama for drama's sake, IMO.

 

I was wondering what happened so thanks for the info, I hope geeky-jez continues to update the story and doesn't take it down. Bread Wolf is my favourite modern AU. 

 

Right now the BW fandom is in a lull because we're between games so mountains tend to get made out of molehills. Bored fans can be extra vicious and this time we don't have something like the endings or Anders/the mage rebellion to debate about. Solas just doesn't have the controversy they did.   

 

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Solavellan KOTOR anyone? Solas as Revan and Lavellan as Bastila. 

[dawnstone]

I was wondering what happened so thanks for the info, I hope geeky-jez continues to update the story and doesn't take it down. Bread Wolf is my favourite modern AU. 

 

Right now the BW fandom is in a lull because we're between games so mountains tend to get made out of molehills. Bored fans can be extra vicious and this time we don't have something like the endings or Anders/the mage rebellion to debate about. Solas just doesn't have the controversy they did.   

Yeah, I totally agree. I hope she doesn't let a small group of loud people push her into pulling the story.

[drosophila]

I hope she doesn't let a small group of loud people push her into pulling the story.

 

Me too.

[NightSymphony]

Alright..finally found a hair mod I kind of like. Here is Atisha two years later. I also gave her some new jammies. All dark and gothic looking. Solas broke her heart and now she's writing poems about death and darkness. :-P

 

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[MoonDrummer]

There are apparently people who won't play anything but white humans in Dragon Age, because they claim they don't want to appropriate the cultures or racial experiences of characters in a fantasy roleplaying game.

 Not sure whether that's funny or sad. Cultural appropriation in general is dumb as ****** if you ask me, but that's next level. 

[Cee]

*hands Atisha piles of nugs and fennecs and puppies to cuddle*

[dawnstone]

 Not sure whether that's funny or sad. Cultural appropriation in general is dumb as ****** if you ask me, but that's next level. 

I know right?

 

Edit: Adding this pic of my Sims Varric and Solas, because they look so utterly done with everything.

 

 

I can relate. Can DA4 come out already? Can Christmas be over?

[NightSymphony]

Blah..nevermind. That hair looks horrible in Trespasser.

 

Edit:  Can't get any hair mods to work. Vanilla pony tail

 

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[dawnstone]

Blah..nevermind. That hair looks horrible in Trespasser.

 

Edit:  Can't get any hair mods to work. Vanilla pony tail

 

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She looks cute and very angry.

[NightSymphony]

hehehe...spa day

 

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[NightSymphony]

She looks cute and very angry.

Thank you.  

[robertmarilyn]

Blah..nevermind. That hair looks horrible in Trespasser.

 

Edit:  Can't get any hair mods to work. Vanilla pony tail

 

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She's really working her grumpy face. 

[Barnzi88]

Blah..nevermind. That hair looks horrible in Trespasser.

 

Edit:  Can't get any hair mods to work. Vanilla pony tail

 

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Trespasser is cruel to mods. The hair mods will work once you start venturing the Eluvian Network, but ONLY when you are traversing in those areas. Anywhere in the palace and it'll be vanilla. Warning, though: modded companions, retextures and altered game mechanics may not work either. Skin textures seem to be fine though.