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[Aneira]

 

I really like the Cullenmance.  I watched my bestie play through the scenes, and it's teethrottingly sweet.

 

*snip*

 

Me too. It was the first romance I played through and I really like it. Cullen really is one of the good guys, he is a well written character imo.

 

I played Cassandras romance lately, up to a point at least, but I did not like it very much. I hate that she goes from "I want to be courted properly" to "you read me a poem - f*** me!" in like 2 seconds. This really bugs me and turned me off. I lost interest in continuing to play pretty quickly then.

 

Bioware you can announce DA4 now, please, I'm ready!

[Sable Rhapsody]

Bioware you can announce DA4 now, please, I'm ready!

My life since, like, December of 2014

[CapricornSun]

Imagine if they never made Solas a romance option, as originally planned.

 

I probably would have romanced Cullen as originally planned. Then my Lavellan would've been married to him and (almost) everything will be peachy-keen! No hellspiraling! No crying over fictional video game boyfriends!

 

But really, I'm glad they decided to make Solas a romance option. Even though his romance is heartbreaking.

[thaali]

Imagine if they never made Solas a romance option, as originally planned.

 

 

Don't even say such sacrilege.  I really think that Solas is the main thing that has kept me hooked on this as long as I have been and as deeply.  His story is just sooooo good and he is so multi-layered.  

Though the feels are so painful   

[Sable Rhapsody]

Don't even say such sacrilege.  I really think that Solas is the main thing that has kept me hooked on this as long as I have been and as deeply.  His story is just sooooo good and he is so multi-layered.  
Though the feels are so painful

I'm a little over the Solas feels ATM; I think I've overdosed on hellspiral. But I still love the character, and I've met so many lovely people in the Solas fandom    I basically stick around now for the company.

[thaali]

In response to those re-playing the Trespasser scene... I may or may not be using Overwolf to record all my scenes with Solas so I can watch them again later. 

 

It is for my story ok... don't judge me *goes to hide under the covers mumbling about Solasmance woes*

 

 

Well, Cullen has been there since game 1 (though after I played older games I'm surprised people latched on what I consider to be very little content for him. Harding has more appearance and dialogue in DAI than Cullen has in DAO and DA2, though admittedly there's less drama to her story) and not only they've made the handsome commander even more of an eye-candy, but his romance is pretty fluffy with a hint of tragedy and vulnerability in it (the whole lyrium thing and previous shenanigans with mages and templars). It might as well be his voice actor too - he does a really good job at conveying Cullen's emotion and personality, IMO.

 

Still, Solasmance is the only other DA romance the statistics have picked from whole DA fandom, despite the fandom overall being the most active during 2015 and despite it being pretty active even before DAI and introduction of Solas  - so that's good news, both when it comes to overall reception of a character, as well as possible sign for us and BW that they've made good decision going in that direction.

 

 

As for Inquisitor coming back... yeah, I'm not sure what's why some people stubbornly claim that it's impossible for them to come back - and that's despite the story claiming otherwise + some suggestive dev comments.

 

Some claim that it's against DA formula... but the truth is that DA has no substantial or fixed formula prior to that (aside from it all happening in Thedas and events being tied with one another). New protagonist was probably the only thing that people are used to at this point, but even that part isn't set in stone for the series and it wasn't for some time now, considering that we have evidence to suspect that it was Hawke that was supposed to be Inquisitor first.

 

Then there are people who say that DA "is a story about Thedas and multiple characters", but either retaining a protagonist, or making Inky a secondary one does little to negate it - it's suggested that we're going to places we weren't before and "finding people Solas doesn't know" (and I'm pretty sure we don't know as well). Whoever we'd have as a PC, we will have new environments and new companions, that's for sure. There's no point understanding "story about Thedas" as being 100% literal - I have suspicion some people don't really understand what that means. 

 

Another claim that each DA installment should be a self-contained story... which is just silly. DA story was never contained - it was always designed to be this sprawling thing that spilled far beyond games (there are books, comics, tabletop games, and so on). Even many arcs within the story were not necessarily contained within one chapter or chosen medium, much less an entire story. I have no idea why some people deny that there's an overarching plot that binds everything together and that we're closer to it now (with the things we've discovered so far, about ancient elves, blight, lyrium, Titans and so on), than we were before. It'd be bizarre from storytelling and logical perspective to slow the machine now and go back to some smaller stories, detached from a bigger picture - especially now, that we got to play a protagonist who was pretty much turned into a demigod and having a personal relationship with a future antagonist who himself is pretty god-like.

 

I also think that it is fairly likely they will bring the Inquisitor back.  There might be some extra steps in it for developers but they already developed that thing, can't remember the name of it, that lets you take what happened in Origins and DA2 and have it affect your current game.  It wouldn't be hard for them to do that with the next one and continue your Inquisitors stories pulling the relationships and stuff from game saves.  The biggest challenge there would be still allowing it to be "accessible" and interesting to players just jumping on the Dragon Age bandwagon who didn't play Inquisition.  That would be a bit more of a challenge when continuing a story arc instead of just starting a new one like they have with the games so far.

[Flemmy]

Okay so this is my first post in this thread because I've finally fallen into Solavellan hell and I need help (no not really I'm actually quite comfortable).

 

It strikes me as amusing because I used to hate him with every fiber of my being and I was more of a Dorian and Bull kinda person, but then I befriended him on my second PT and realized he's actually a really well written character and a really good friend if you're on good terms with him, and now on my current fourth full PT I finally caved in and I am full on romancing him, and it is amazing.

 

And now for the reason why I'm actually posting... I've romanced Bull twice and dreamed about him once. I've romanced Dorian once but he never showed up in any of dreams.

 

I've had FOUR dreams involving Solas in the last week alone! And I'm here to share the one I had last night because it was super strange but awesome and Solas appeared as the villain (and that actually tickles all my fancies!)

 

It's long, but I remember my dreams very vividly, and with a lot of detail. I hope you guys can get a chuckle out of it

 

Spoiler

I was in the game, as myself, not the Inquisitor, in what appeared to be a strange version of the Temple of Mythal (weird building in a jungle setting). With me were Varric, Cassandra and Leliana. The dream started as a sort of cutscene, showing Leliana opening a blue door to emerge from one of the upper levels of the temple. There were stairs close by and at the bottom was an Eluvian - that was our goal apparently, but just as we were about to exit the building and descent down the stairs, the Eluvian started glowing, and Leliana quickly rushed us back inside and closed the blue door.

 

Out of the Eluvian stepped Morrigan, wearing her gorgeous Winter Palace dress. She hadn't seen us yet.

 

The 'cut scene' ended and suddenly I was viewing things through my own eyes, and the mission was to follow Morrigan without her seeing me. She walked this dirt path along the length of the temple, passing first one hallway leading back inside, and two more further ahead. The last one had an open portcullis, which closed behind her as she entered. Right after the portcullis the hallway curved to the right, and there was also a staircase leading back up to a hallway above it, which followed the same curve.

I had to do this sort puzzle involving a lever and some Assassin's Creed style free-running to open the portcullis, so I could follow her, which I did. But instead of following after her I turned back around to get Leliana and the others - who were still near the Eluvian waiting - so I ran back.

 

Unfortunately I had forgotten that Solas was scripted to appear from the first hallway the moment I solved the puzzle and opened the portcullis, and he was NOT allowed to see me because he would kill me if I did. And I nearly ran right into him.

 

Because Solas was now between me and my party, I had no choice but to run back, passing the last hallway with the portcullis and hide there behind a wall. I knew he was supposed to walk the same path Morrigan had taken so I figured, once he had entered the hallway with the portcullis, I could get the others and follow after them both.

 

And that's when Solas suddenly rounded the corner and stopped a few feet away from me. And I remember thinking "He can't see me, I'm holding the sneak button! D: Please go away!" He looked right at me at that moment and I saw his foot (he was wearing boots) fly towards me and I actually got a game-over screen - Solas had kicked in my face and killed me in one hit

 

I respawned right after I managed to open the portcullis, seconds before Solas was supposed to emerge from the first hallway. I didn't want to get booted in the face again, so this time I entered the third hallway and ran up the stairs to where the hall curved to wait there for him.

There is this thing I do in games in real life, whenthere is an interesting villain I have to fight, I try to avoid fighting them for as long as possible, running around in circles to avoid their attacks and see how long I can last.

In the dream I had this really shitty bow with me, so I got the brilliant idea to shoot Solas in the face to make him mad the second he showed himself, and see how long I could last against him! Genius!

 

Except he wouldn't show. There was a hole in the floor close by, so I looked, and I saw him passing underneath the portcullis, but he didn't take the stairs like I had, but instead took the curved hallway directly below me. So I did the next best thing, dropped myself through the hole, landed right in front of him and fired an arrow! Of course my aim was way off, but I succeeded in pissing him off nonetheless.

 

I don't remember what he said exactly, but the gist of it was "You have until the count of five before I set your ass on fire." after which he started doing a sloooow count down. That was my cue to start running in circles to avoid what I was sure was going to be a fireball lobbed at my face - and I managed to get myself hopelessly stuck in some bushes for a panicked second too because I'm an idiot. Of course Solas wouldn't be Solas if he didn't do the unexpected, so instead of a fireball he cast a fire glyph, the ones mages in the game often cast on the ground to explode.

 

Except this fire glyph - because Solas magic - formed underneath my feet to follow wherever I went, and started as a small circle, sloooowly expanding, and I knew that when it reached full size, it would explode.

 

Cue me panicking and running all the way back to where Leliana, Cassandra and Varric were still waiting near the Eluvian, and seeing this glyph slowly grow in size and power - I figured they could help me annul it or something. Instead, when I reached them, all they had to say were generic NPC lines! Not helpful at all!

 

I turned around and saw both Solas and Morrigan running away me - I dunno why they came back, but I chased after them. If I could just get to Solas before it was too late and plead with him to remove the glyph, then yeah... they ran up a hill, don't even ask me how Morrigan was running in that dress. I tried to follow but the hill was too steep and I slipped back down... and then the glyph reached full power, exploded and I woke up.

 

What did I ever do to you, Solas, to make you want to kill me? ;___;

 

Welcome to Solavellan hellspiral.

[Qun00]

Regarding the vallaslin, I'm not sure which choice represents moving forward instead of clinging to the past.

Of course, when Lavellan chooses to keep it she says "I don't wear it for the ancient elves".

Then again, won't the Dalish need to remove their markings if they decide to change the design that was meant to worship the Evanuris?

[Flemmy]

Imagine if they never made Solas a romance option, as originally planned.

Urg!.. The horror!   Don't give me nightmares!

[Arshes Nei]

I agree with Inquisitor coming back being in the realm of possibility. I know I mentioned it way, way, far back somewhere in the thread, but basically this:

 

 

SNIPPED FROM PAST POSTS:From a story teller standpoint Inky has to come back in one form or another. Where the argument could be made that "alright they can be a codex entry/wartable type cameo", that doesn't add up to what has been done in DAI. For one, the Well of Sorrows. This quest wasn't part of a side quest or anything. It was a focal mission with no and/or buts. You have to do it and you get a choice of either drinking or not. This will go one of two ways, either Inky now gets Geased into doing what Flemythal wants to achieve her ends, or Morrigan is made to do it. Either way Inky plays a part. Another point in the Inquisitor comes back is that end of Trespasser. Bioware would not have made such an open ended finale unless there was at least plans for Inky to come back. Could this vision get scrapped for unforeseen reasons? Yes, happens all the time and there is a long wait before the next installment. Basically the ending for DAI is different then any of the other DAs, which begs the question of why? Because Solas was a main companion and is going to be in the next DA? Well they could have played that much differently if Inky wasn't coming back. Anyway just my opinion and hence I am firmly in optimism mode.

 

--thinking of how they could resolve DA:I LI's in DA4 if Inquisitor was to be the main character. So say players did not want to keep their romance for DA4 (so they can have the lovely new eye candy....) but do not want to forget the past relationship. Got me to thinking....what if after CC you are given a choice to keep romance choice but want a fresh start? Click yes and codex entry of how your LI left you or died. (IB gets killed during charger run protecting Krem, Blackwall already dies from being a Warden...Sera gets into too deep on a mission and is imprisoned or killed, Cullen dies early from having been an addict for so long-addicts have been known to have shortened lives even if they kick it, stuff just crops up- etc. for companions. Not sure about the romance with Cass since I never romanced her but it could be a breakup of duty/time apart type thing) and then a blanket statement from NPC about "I'm sorry about _____. You deserve happiness and if there is anything you wish to talk about let me know." simple sentence that can be used for a breakup or death. Plus since it was the player who made the choice then you cant be mad at BW now can you?

 

 

Wow that was long

[NightSymphony]

If Solas hadn't been a romance option, my Lavellan would have married Cullen. I probably would have only played the game once and then moved on. It's Solas that keeps me wanting to play the game over and over. I can't get enough of that egg!!

[Aneira]

Regarding the vallaslin, I'm not sure which choice represents moving forward instead of clinging to the past.

Of course, when Lavellan chooses to keep it she says "I don't wear it for the ancient elves".

Then again, won't the Dalish need to remove their markings if they decide to change the design that was meant to worship the Evanuris?

 

They could claim the markings for themselves, I guess; give them new meaning.

 

Though personally I think they should remove them, if they had the chance. They represent something terrible (slavery), so if they want to keep some sort of vallaslin, they should come up with new designs that are not linked to former slavers. I had to think of the swastika which by no means was a bad thing. But now it is; I would say it has been tainted and so no one (at least where I live) uses it for anything and it is also illegal (anti-constitutional symbol). It's kind of the same thing with the markings for me.

 

My Lavellan had her vallaslin removed btw.

[Uirebhiril]

If Solas hadn't been a romance, my canon Inquisitor would have remained single.

 

But my other Inquisitors still would have partied hard with Josie, Cassandra, and Dorian.

[Cee]

As far as returning Inquisitor, they've also said that DAI covers about half of the story they were originally planning to tell, and a 'search for Solas' was cut from the game's end and a lot of that planning seemed to have gone into Trespasser. So I also think we're far from done and would love to see a direct continuation.

[Cee]

I have a real sweet spot for Sera's romance. She's delightfully weird but, at heart, she's searching for belonging, a family, a home, and a way to kind of reclaim herself and her past and work through the pain she carries. And a Sera wedding, and her journal after you're married, winds up just super sweet.

 

I haven't done it yet, but I've been a bit spoiled and it makes me want to do it more. I almost made my Trev mage for her the other day but 'please delete 6 saves before starting a new game'.

[thaali]

As far as returning Inquisitor, they've also said that DAI covers about half of the story they were originally planning to tell, and a 'search for Solas' was cut from the game's end and a lot of that planning seemed to have gone into Trespasser. So I also think we're far from done and would love to see a direct continuation.

 

I would like this but I have no more likes to give

 

That said you guys seem to know more about the possibilities for DA4 than I do, have there been any hints as to when we can expect it or expect news about it?

[midnight tea]

I would like this but I have no more likes to give

 

That said you guys seem to know more about the possibilities for DA4 than I do, have there been any hints as to when we can expect it or expect news about it?

 

Aside from what's been hinted at in main game and Trespasser? Most of our speculations are just that - speculations. It's just too early to say anything concrete. But we do know that Weekes mentioned a while ago on Twitter, that if they're going to make another DA game, there will be some conclusion to Solavellan, which by extension probably means that other non-romanced or befriended Quizzies will likely appear too. And in the interview below:

 

Spoiler

 

... David Gaider (starts around 4:47) reveals that DAI's plot arch length was twice as much as we got, but that story wasn't cut - the rest of that plot arch still exists and is now in new lead writer's hands

 

Therefore even if DA4 won't be a direct continuation in strictest sense and unless they completely scrap their plans or be forced to take a new route for whatever reason (technical or budget limitations, which hopefully won't happen), I'm pretty sure we'd see a continuation of some sort of what we've established and built in DAI.

 

Really, just with the way the story unfolded and especially with how Trespasser ends, it'd make no sense for them to just throw it all away, or introduce it in the first place. If they didn't plan to bring back Inquisitor in some capacity, they wouldn't go an extra mile to set things up the way they did.

[Illyria]

Imagine if they never made Solas a romance option, as originally planned.

 

Josie romance.

 

Happiness.

 

Fluffy feels and sunshine and kittens.

[Qun00]

Josie romance.
 
Happiness.
 
Fluffy feels and sunshine and kittens.

Or the Iron Bull Romance.

Drinking and sex.

Bro feels and ballgag and handcuffs.

[thaali]

Aside from what's been hinted at in main game and Trespasser? Most of our speculations are just that - speculations. It's just too early to say anything concrete. But we do know that Weekes mentioned a while ago on Twitter, that if they're going to make another DA game, there will be some conclusion to Solavellan, which by extension probably means that other non-romanced or befriended Quizzies will likely appear too. And in the interview below:

 

Spoiler

 

... David Gaider (starts around 4:47) reveals that DAI's plot arch length was twice as much as we got, but that story wasn't cut - the rest of that plot arch still exists and is now in new lead writer's hands

 

Therefore even if DA4 won't be a direct continuation in strictest sense and unless they completely scrap their plans or be forced to take a new route for whatever reason (technical or budget limitations, which hopefully won't happen), I'm pretty sure we'd see a continuation of some sort of what we've established and built in DAI.

 

Really, just with the way the story unfolded and especially with how Trespasser ends, it'd make no sense for them to just throw it all away, or introduce it in the first place. If they didn't plan to bring back Inquisitor in some capacity, they wouldn't go an extra mile to set things up the way they did.

 

Thanks for sharing this!  It kinda makes me worried though since he is mentioning the whole search for Solas that they might be going a totally different direction which would be sooooo sad not to get that.  I do understand what he is saying about them not being able to make it what they wanted.  A lot of budget and time restraints have the potential to make something amazing mediocre.  Still T-T

 

Also I was eyeballing the previous game release dates.  DA2 was released two years after Origins but Inquisition was 3 years.  I really really really hope DA4 is another 2 year lol

[Cee]

DAI was officially announced 6 months after Mass Effect 3 came out. So...if we are getting a new Mass Effect at the end of the year, we might see an announcement  to follow. But BioWare also has David Gaider's new secret IP to announce. So I wonder when that is coming, and if that will be announced this year or not.

[Uirebhiril]

Also I was eyeballing the previous game release dates.  DA2 was released two years after Origins but Inquisition was 3 years.  I really really really hope DA4 is another 2 year lol

 

No you don't! Short development cycles lead to bad games and poor stories. I'd rather they take their (reasonable) time getting the rest of the story out there. Hopefully that won't be too long, since as people say, they know the new engine now.

[midnight tea]

Thanks for sharing this!  It kinda makes me worried though since he is mentioning the whole search for Solas that they might be going a totally different direction which would be sooooo sad not to get that.  I do understand what he is saying about them not being able to make it what they wanted.  A lot of budget and time restraints have the potential to make something amazing mediocre.  Still T-T

 

Also I was eyeballing the previous game release dates.  DA2 was released two years after Origins but Inquisition was 3 years.  I really really really hope DA4 is another 2 year lol

 

DAI was so popular that it spawned 3 DLCs and in the end they've managed to give us a better epilogue/search for Solas (Trespasser) than they've initially envisioned So I'd stay carefully optimistic here.

 

Same with budget and time restraints - of course, there are a lot of factors to take into consideration, many of which we can only guess about, but I don't think EA would do much to harm the franchise from a RPG sector that appears to be increasingly popular among players and whose last installment was well-received, both critically as well as (apparently) financially. It's not post-DA2 situation, where I assume there were quite a few unknowns.

 

As for 3 years for DAI... I think they gave the devs more time, because it took a lot of time and effort to switch to new engine, aside from developing the game on 5 platforms. I know little about game development, but I have a suspicion that after this conversion Bioware wouldn't just drop Frostbite in favor of something else, especially that Mass Effect: Andromeda is currently using it as well, which means that not only they're now way more familiar with the engine, more tools and modules for it can be developed and tested, which means less fuss and development time for devs working on other titles. Then there's the fact that all the basic groundwork for the game has been built with the Inquisition - assets, leveling system, combat, crafting, Dragon Age Keep and so on. From now on they can build upon and refine what they have, rather than make things from near a scratch.

 

The bigger question is how the new, secret IP factors into all of this - aside from taking necessary time and resources to develop a new title, how does it fit into hypothetical BW release schedule? This year will be all about Andromeda; what will 2017 be about is anyone's guess. Is New IP at a stage of development that they're making a game already, or is it still most of it work on laying all of the necessary foundations and it'll take years before we even see the first demo?

 

Personally, I optimistically assume that they're back to 2-year schedule with DA - with the way things shape up story-wise it'd only make sense. In this day and age 2 years is still a long gap between installments of a story which previous chapters connect with one another (and it appears Inquisition's story will be even more intimately tied to future games than other titles) and every additional year cools down people's enthusiasm and interest. It's not even about Solavellan or Inquisitor anymore, but depending on their delivery, people may entirely forget about Solas and why he's so important to the franchise. I assume that the fans who stick with the series may count for some additional material (aside from Magekiller Comic they began releasing in December), perhaps a book or two, but such treats mostly interest dedicated fans who'd rather not forget about the game.

[Cee]

When I had a couple of minutes to chat with Mike Laidlaw in October, he said Trespasser was selling very, very well and the feedback probably means some of what they tried there will be drawn upon, you know "if" there's more DA as they're all required to say for now.

[midnight tea]

When I had a couple of minutes to chat with Mike Laidlaw in October, he said Trespasser was selling very, very well and the feedback probably means some of what they tried there will be drawn upon, you know "if" there's more DA as they're all required to say for now.

 

Lol, if Mike "Mr. Understatement" Laidlaw says that Trespasser sells very, very well, then it must've indeed sold pretty damn well I wonder if it means that the GOTY version sold well too - either way it means good news for everyone, methinks.