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[Flemmy]

Thank you all, for all the congratulations, from us all. That was many "all" but I mean it and this is sweet, thanks

I spy my name! I'm a September baby .

 

I made you guys something :

 

[ladyiolanthe]

Only 643...   

 

She's just a baby compared to Solas and his Evanuris "friends"! 

[Zaerath]

*snip*

I don't think it's thin = young and thick = old, as much as thick = normal and thin = some really screwed up sh!t went down in this general vicinity. It's been stated before that places where emotions run high and interesting things (Prisons, royal courts, battle fields, etc.) happen tend to have a thinner Veil, if they have a Veil at all. And places where magic is abused, particularly for demon summoning (Not so much blood magic I guess, since it apparently doesn't draw from the Fade.) can have a Veil so thin it's practically torn to shreds. Have you played the Soldier's Peak DLC for Origins? It's a primary example of what I mean - an old Warden fortress that was the site of a rebellion against the king (So, it fits the first model.) where a Warden mage was messing with magic and summoning demons (So, fits model number two as well.) While you can't take any Veil experts along with you when you go there, it becomes pretty apparent that the Veil's nearly non-existent. Freaky stuff like visions of the past and, you know, rifts to the Fade pop up all over the place.

So I'm pretty sure it's possible to take the Veil down in pieces, and really, a lot of problems with the Veil stem from the fact that it's not of consistent strength - Solas himself says that the rifts in the Veil pull in unsuspecting spirits (Think of water circling a drain.) and that the trauma of suddenly being pulled through to the other side corrupts them into demons. But, does that mean you can leave bits of the Veil up to keep something back in there? I dunno. I'm inclined to think it might, given that we didn't see any Evanuris spilling out of the Breach as soon as word got out about it. Maybe the news moves really slow in the Fade?

Yeah, you're right. I haven't played first 2 games but I know what you're talking about.

I still think there's a difference between having little holes torn in the Veil (those magically/historically charged places) and removing Veil in places. To hold back the Fade there should at least be more overall territory with the Veil than without it. Continuing the drain/water metaphor, if there's a little hole, just a bit of Fade and a few spirits/demons are pulled into the world. But if there are whole areas missing the Veil then a lot of Fade and those who dwell there will just spill everywhere in big quantities. I doubt that those who are left behind the remaining patches of the Veil will for some reason continue to press there rather than go to that convenient giant hole with no resistance at all. I mean, Solas and Cole told us that spirits converge at places where the Veil is the thinnest because they want to be closer to our world and it is (probably?) easier to slip through. In the end, most of the Fade with just end up spilling into our world so the existence of the Veil will be kind of meaningless. And even if the Veil is not actually that physical, I don't think you can keep two parts that are desperately drawn to each other separated with the barrier that is only half-there.

Anyway, why would Solas even try to tear down the Veil in patches? What's even the point? Wouldn't it be easier to gradually weaken the Veil everywhere? Yes, considering the discrepancies in "thickness", some places will be open to the Fade earlier than the others but I still think that makes more sense and would be much more gentle. Does Solas actually say anywhere if he wants to tear it all down in one go or do it - somehow - gradually?

I hope I managed to make at least some sense

That's why (along with other evidence) it's theorised that the Evanuris are trapped not just in the Fade but somewhere in the Eluvian network. And they're probably weakened somehow? Like I said before, there's no evidence that Fen'Harel was stronger then the others so he must have made a trap or used some kind of thick to the them away.

He certainly is older than Flemeth, whose merging with Mythal happened much later.


Personally, I'm not sure if I should give Solas the ice element because of his demeanor or fire because of his passion. Either way, lightning goes to Dorian because he is the "sparkler".

I always associated Dorian with Fire. For me, sparkles are sparkles from the fire, when wood cracks and they just shoot everywhere. Look so nice in long exposure too
What is more, I think Dorian mentions only(?) Fire magic in banter. With Sera and Cole particularly, if I am not mistaken

Hee! DAI Pulp Fiction covers: http://agarthanguide...ting-and-dragon

Solas is Trapped in the HINTERLANDS!

I'll share my post on the DAItools forum so you can check the reply of the person who helped me Very easy to follow!
http://daitools.free...iles-t1501.html

@Sunny.. Haha, that newspaper with Dorian as a slave.. mmmmm, it's doing something to me.

I know that we're in the Solas thread but mmmm Dorian. All bound up, torn clothes, still somehow impeccable moustache and hair, that expression on his and face and Bull charging in (ha!) to save the day... I like my favourite babies hurt and abused

Thank you for the link

[Zaerath]

btw, I noticed that there's quite a lot of art with Solas smoking

Is there some tumblr bandwagon I've missed? Or an epic fanfiction that sprouted that trend?

In real life, I hate smoking with passion but Solas with a pipe or surrounded by curling smoke is strangely enticing

[CapricornSun]

Mini art post.

 

Nice sketch of Solas and Lavellan.

Spoiler

Source: http://pugletto.tumb...r-my-bespeckled

 

 

Lavellan and Solas looking at each other. (NSFW-ish for nudity)

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Source: http://artemis-write...together-had-to

 

 

Wicked Grace: Solas VS Bull.

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Source: http://kelukana.tumb...-bull-solas-win

 

[CapricornSun]

btw, I noticed that there's quite a lot of art with Solas smoking

Is there some tumblr bandwagon I've missed? Or and epic fanfiction that sprouted that trend?

In real life, I hate smoking with passion but Solas with a pipe or surrounded by curling smoke is strangely enticing

 

Hmm, well one artist I follow (destinyapostasy) who does some of the smoking Solas artworks has this headcanon of Solas smoking (elfroot I think) with a pipe together with her Lavellan, who also smokes. 

 

I'm not sure about what others feel about it, but I find smoker!Solas strangely enticing as well. (I'm not a smoker either btw.)

[Illyria]

I always had Dorian as lightning since his nickname is Sparkles.

 

I give Solas a mixture of all the elements...since he's a "God" he should know them all.

 

Cole makes references to Dorian using fire.  Plus, the first time you see him he's using a fire spells against the demons.  Likewise, Viv uses an ice spell.  And there can be only one when it comes to lightning and that's me.

[Aren]

*edit*

Solas senpai mode.

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[Zaerath]

Solas in angry mode.

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I think it's not as much about "angry Solas" as it is about those "Senpai, notice me!" fanboy wolves

[midnight tea]

I think it's not as much about "angry Solas" as it is about those "Senpai, notice me!" fanboy wolves

 

"You owe me 20 bucks!"

[almasy87]

Hahahahah look at all those wolves Hilarious how they seem exactly to want to get his attention and the gif has Solas say "Shut up"

[RogueBait]

Solas in angry mode.

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lol, Those wolves.

 

Wolves: Hay. HAY. HAAAAY. DAD, HAY.

Solas: Shut up.

 

It's basically canon that Solas would be a **** dad.

 

Also, happy belated b-day to those with birthdays yesterday! Gonna recycle this one from ages ago:

 

Spoiler

 

(Sorry.)

[Zaerath]

"You owe me 20 bucks!"

 
There's supposed to be a vid, isn't there? Or did I see it on tumblr? Hmm...
 

lol, Those wolves.

Wolves: Hay. HAY. HAAAAY. DAD, HAY.
Solas: Shut up.

It's basically canon that Solas would be a **** dad.

Also, happy belated b-day to those with birthdays yesterday! Gonna recycle this one from ages ago:

Spoiler

(Sorry.)

 

Why would he be a bad dad? 0.0 I think he'd actually be an awesome dad

I mean, he's not knows for the best decision-making skills but he's very gentle with Cole, always patient, protective and never condescending. He also has similar aspects in his relationship with Dorian even if Solas is quite a bit harsher when he is disabusing Dorian of his notions on slavery. He tries to build something similarly functioning with Sera but Sera is Sera and by the end of it he is left mostly frustrated than anything.

[Arvaarad]

Solas lore scholars! Did we ever pin down what Solas means when he says to Blackwall that he hopes the Wardens are right? I can think of a couple alternate explanations:

Solas' plan is the only way he knows to cleanse the world of blight. However, it is still many years (or centuries?) from completion. If the Wardens solve blights before then, he can abort his plan. I assume this is less likely, unless one of the games has a massive time jump. Otherwise there wouldn't be much urgency to stopping Solas.

"The return of my people means the end of yours"

"Oh no! How long do we have?"

*dramatic stare*

"Just a few short millenia before all that your kind have created burns in chaos."

*more dramatic staring*

"...oh, ok. Cool, then. You do your thing. Here's my arm."

Solas' plan is imminent, and one of its destructive side effects is unleashing megablights. Thus, if the Wardens solve blights, they can keep Thedas from falling into total chaos. This alternative makes sense with the dialogue, except that I can't figure out the connection between veil removal and triggering mass blight. The hints dropped so far seem to tie veil removal more to awakening titans than to awakening archdemons. Perhaps red lyrium becomes the primary vector of blight in a veilless world?

Combination: Solas' plan ultimately solves blights, but unleashes a big ol' blight as part of the solution. Has the same pros and cons as the two alternatives it combines. Possibly archdemons were installed as a stopgap, to keep darkspawn underground, but he realized that it was just delaying/prolonging the inevitable? But if that's the case, he wouldn't have to hope the Wardens are right, he'd know they were right, because their plan would basically be his plan without the Veil removal. Maybe removing the Veil is the only way removing the archdemons will work? Maybe the titans need to wake up to punch the blight into submission? But they're vulnerable to it, aren't they? Their blood is lyrium. Wouldn't blighting all of them cause Thedas to (literally) collapse? What "world of the elves" can be salvaged from that?

Solas' plan is completely/mostly unrelated to blights. But blights are still going to be a problem that needs to be solved. For example, maybe killing the last archdemons will only worsen the problem - causing all darkspawn to rise to the surface. Solas harps on blights an awful lot, though. Plus the stuff in Trespasser all but says the ancient elves sealed away the blight and were terrified of it. His plan seems likely to involve the blight in some way. Besides, if his plan destroys civilization before blights are solved, "whether the Wardens are right" seems kind of moot.



Anyone know reasons to believe one of those alternatives over the others?

[Xilizhra]

I'm stopping by to just throw a question out there, given the overlap of their themes: what do the people here think of Merrill?

[Illyria]

I'm stopping by to just throw a question out there, given the overlap of their themes: what do the people here think of Merrill?

 

I think she's fantastic.

 

I also think Solas is fantastic.

 

Both of them are very driven to reclaim elven history, and fix the mistakes of the past.

[Zaerath]

Solas lore scholars! Did we ever pin down what Solas means when he says to Blackwall that he hopes the Wardens are right? I can think of a couple alternate explanations:

*snip*

Solas' plan is completely/mostly unrelated to blights. But blights are still going to be a problem that needs to be solved. For example, maybe killing the last archdemons will only worsen the problem - causing all darkspawn to rise to the surface. Solas harps on blights an awful lot, though. Plus the stuff in Trespasser all but says the ancient elves sealed away the blight and were terrified of it. His plan seems likely to involve the blight in some way. Besides, if his plan destroys civilization before blights are solved, "whether the Wardens are right" seems kind of moot.

Anyone know reasons to believe one of those alternatives over the others?

 

I... don't think it's anything as dramatic as that? I'm in favour of the last variant. I'm by no means a lore scholar by here are my thoughts.

 

First of all, I'd like to point out that while we don't know how did the Blights actually begin, Solas most certainly does. His disdain of Wardens' ways (even though they should probably be one of the least offensive organisation to Solas) coupled with things he says to Blackwall clearly shows that Solas knows about the Blight much more than the rest of Thedas and most likely more than even the highest-ranking Wardens. It is possible he was there when the Taint first showed itself.

 

Does he know how to cure the Blights? After that banter with Blackwall it seemed to me that he either really doesn't know or knows but the solutions is potentially world-destructing and/or not accessible to regular people of Thedas.

 

It is entirely possible that he doesn't have a solution and his knowledge of Blight's nature/origins doesn't necessarily translate into knowing how to cure it. Then the weariness with which he says that he hopes the Wardens are right is completely truthful: he wants the Blights to end, he doesn't know how but he knows that the Wardens' way is not a solution. I really hope that the Evanuris weren't directly responsible for the Blight but with all the evidence we can't say they had nothing to do with that. They were probably at least partially indirectly responsible if not outright created it to use as a weapon. And still, even if Solas knows, even if he was there, that still doesn't automatically translate into knowing a solution. It just doesn't work like that.

 

Or maybe he does know how to do it but it's not something that regular people or even Grey Wardens can use. Maybe it's something Elvhen, maybe it's something magic, maybe it's something tied to the Evanuris/Titans/the Old Gods/the Forgotten Ones, maybe it will actually tear the Thedas apart before the torn down Veil will. The end result is, it's not something Solas would be able to do soon so he sincerely hopes that Wardens would be able to do something before he has to.

Solas also seems quite convinced that killing the last 2 slumbering Old Gods won't stop the Blights. He's actually furious that Wardens even consider killing them before they're tainted as a preemptive strike. I, too, think that just killing the last archdemons without doing anything else will either make darkspawn flood the surface and/or find another type of potential vessel to taint. Maybe they'll find, wake and corrupt the Titans and then all the previous Blights would look like a walk in the park by comparison and the people of Thedas will be facing total annihilation.

 

All in all, It just doesn't seem like the cure of the Blight is something that he intends to soon. If it was, he would've probably mentioned it somewhere. He talks about restoring the People, about reuniting the Fade and Thedas, but there's nothing about the Blights. if it was in his programme he should've capitalized on it at least a bit. I mean, it's a pretty heavy argument that he could use as leverage in both recruiting new followers to his cause and convincing other world powers that he's an important and trustworthy ally ("Come, Vehnan, and together we will cure the Blight"). To me it just seems like too big an opportunity to be missed in an unstable pot of swirling politics and looming wars that Thedas is shown to soon become.

 

(Phew! My thoughts are running away from me. Hope I managed to capture most of them)

[Solas]

I think it's not as much about "angry Solas" as it is about those "Senpai, notice me!" fanboy wolves

LOL!

 

Thankyou RogueBait

[RogueBait]

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Why would he be a bad dad? 0.0 I think he'd actually be an awesome dad

I mean, he's not knows for the best decision-making skills but he's very gentle with Cole, always patient, protective and never condescending. He also has similar aspects in his relationship with Dorian even if Solas is quite a bit harsher when he is disabusing Dorian of his notions on slavery. He tries to build something similarly functioning with Sera but Sera is Sera and by the end of it he is left mostly frustrated than anything.

I had this feeling that someone would take issue, and yet I still made the joke. ಥ‿ಥ

To clarify my intent, in the name of humour, if Solas were the dad of the wolves in that hilarious gif set (which when expanded upon, could be interpreted as him telling the wolves to shut up), he would be a **** wolf dad. Therefore, when using shoddy logic to leap to a worst case conclusion coupled with Solas' less than fine attributes, we arrive at ****-dad-Solas.

 

If I'm being serious, however, if Solas existed in an alternate universe where he wasn't trying to Do The Thing, then yes, I agree he would be a thoughtful, loving parent. He might make some questionable decisions along the way (cough), but I'm sure his heart would be in the right place.

 

Thankyou RogueBait

 

I am out of likes. You're welcome!

[NightSymphony]

I like your new profile picture, Rogue.  

[Cee]

So this happened:

[RogueBait]

I like your new profile picture, Rogue.

 

Thanks Night! The wonderfully talented MTC is responsible for it. :3

[Ellawynn]

Ugh guys, stop making interesting posts for me to respond to, gawd.

 

Anyone know reasons to believe one of those alternatives over the others?

 

I'm not sure if I said it in this thread or some other, but I took it as near-confirmation of the whole "If all the archdemons die than there will be a perpetual Blight on the surface" theory. (...I'm pretty sure I've talked about that in this thread before, right? Meh.)

 

Like, The Mother was confirmation enough really, given that she's what we could expect if darkspawn suddenly stopped hearing the Calling, but Solas' comment cemented it. I don't think his plan really relates to it in anyway. He was just trying to follow Blackwall's (And the Wardens') line of logic, either in order to see if there's something he missed or in the hopes of pointing out how, uh, open-ended their plan is. I imagine it's why he's so furious with Clarel and her plan to suicide run the last remaining archdemons. 

 

I'm stopping by to just throw a question out there, given the overlap of their themes: what do the people here think of Merrill?

 

I like Merrill. Next to Varric, she's about the only DA2 character I'd actually say I enjoy. 

 

Anyway, why would Solas even try to tear down the Veil in patches? What's even the point? Wouldn't it be easier to gradually weaken the Veil everywhere? Yes, considering the discrepancies in "thickness", some places will be open to the Fade earlier than the others but I still think that makes more sense and would be much more gentle. Does Solas actually say anywhere if he wants to tear it all down in one go or do it - somehow - gradually?

 

I don't think he does, and it probably runs contrary to his desire for a... quick kill, let's say. Taking it down in pieces would just prolong an already pretty horrific process. (Although, it might be easier to preserve the people of this world, at least? Evacuate people, take it down one piece at a time, relocate them back in once things have settled? But I imagine that's not a dramatic enough plan for a major antagonist, assuming it would even work that way. Not to mention it obviously runs a far higher risk of discovery.) But the reason the question was asked was because Solas could be intending to leave the Veil up in small places to keep the Evanuris trapped.

 

But, I can't really say if it'd manage to work like that or not. *Shrug* I could sit here, speculate on the nature of the Veil and come up with an opinion one way or the other, but the writers play it so fast-and-loose with how the Veil works, precisely, that they could completely demolish anything I come up without really contradicting any established material.

[NeverlandHunter]

 

Art post.

 

Guys! Look at these amazing DA:I pulp and camp style comic covers! Gorgeous work!     (I WANT THESE!)

EDIT:    'ed again!

Source: http://agarthanguide...ting-and-dragon

 

 

 

 

This is too awesome for words.

[FernRain]

Solas' plan is imminent, and one of its destructive side effects is unleashing megablights. Thus, if the Wardens solve blights, they can keep Thedas from falling into total chaos. This alternative makes sense with the dialogue, except that I can't figure out the connection between veil removal and triggering mass blight. The hints dropped so far seem to tie veil removal more to awakening titans than to awakening archdemons. Perhaps red lyrium becomes the primary vector of blight in a veilless world?

 

This one. My guess is that since the veil is a reinforcement of reality, and the titans reinforce reality, when they wake up the veil comes down. Then the blighted titan releases the blighted lyrium.

 

Or as I've been suspicious after the ME3 ending: what if they had planned to give us multiple options of Thedas' fate? Then the next games would move us into another 'Age', as ME has moved to another galaxy. But after the fail that was the ME3 ending, I think they've learnt.

 

I'm stopping by to just throw a question out there, given the overlap of their themes: what do the people here think of Merrill?

 

I like her a lot (I mean so much that I have drawn her a tarot card). I would like to see her meet Solas, or talk to the Inquisitor about him. There is a lot of irony there now, regarding the truth about her 'Creators'.