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[Solas]

Welcome Felii

[Feliishiiaa]

Thanks for the welcome, I really need a place to talk as I think my boyfriend is getting tired of my (general) DA:I and (specific) Solas obsessions

[CapricornSun]

Hi fellow Solasians,

First post here (and on these forums, but I think I will be seen more often on this thread than anywhere else).

I was listening to this song today and was like ‘wow, I think Solas could have sung that to my poor poor Lavellan at the end of Trespasser’.

It would have been quite fitting, don’t you think (warning, sad sad song incoming)

http://youtu.be/GSyXSeAHL_k

Putting the lyrics in spoiler in case somebody is interested but does not want to listen to the song :

Spoiler

"From My Hands"

So much I've thought
I'd have to say
Though I try to speak
My meaning strays
We can't avoid
The facts that brought us here
I've come to say goodbye

The lies I try
To tell with my own eyes
An act of pride
A wilful compromise
Please understand
How torn I am
When I walk away from here

I lament
The moments we won't share
If I am far too sentimental, I apologize
Please understand
This is who I am
And who'll I'll still be
When I've walked away from here

You know I'm not unkind
When I say
In the future
The past is just the past
No going back
No change of heart
But this is now
Time will not defer

My thoughts betray
So easily confess
How long I'll wait here
After you have gone
Nothing ends
But I won't believe that now
Please don't walk away from here

And when alone
When I remember days
Nothing will change
A single fact of who you were to me
Oh come what may
Forever to the end
I find it so hard to let you go

Hush now
Let it go now
There's no need
For sad goodbyes

Hush now
Let it go now
I know it's time to go
Time to let this fall
From my hands

Welcome to the thread!

Btw that song and the video accompanying that song made cry. And yes it does fit for Solas singing to Lavellan.

[Ghost Gal]

Y'know, I only played Human Noble on my very first run, when I knew nothing about the game except that it reasonably might include a dragon and some ages somewhere, and literally the only reason I went with her is because her name is kinda-sorta similar to mine.

 

Ah. The person who first told me about Dragon Age let slip that the elves are the "Jew/Gypsies" of Thedas (that city elves are a lot like European Jews living in ghettos, and the Dalish are like wandering gypsies), so I got stars in my eyes and bought the game immediately.

 

It was really funny. The Human Noble Origin was obviously his favorite, because when I announced I would play an elf he had this "Oh, Cr@p!" look on his face, and immediately started to backpedal and try to sell the perks of playing a human noble, but I didn't care by that point. 

 

I also had the extreme good luck to play the human noble origin right on the coattails of playing the city elf and and dwarf commoner. It was impossible to get invested in being more privileged than God and having everyone worship the ground you walk on just for being part of the most super-special-awesome family to ever exist after experiencing life as an oppressed "knife ear" and "brand" in this universe.

 

I am not certain that marrying Alistair and being Queen is as happy an ending as it sounds, honestly.

 

It honestly doesn't matter.

 

Go to any Alistair thread and you'll see no less than several Alistair fangirls mention how they chose Lady Cousland just so they could marry him. Of those Couslands, you'll see lots of bragging and gushing about their perfect fairy tale wedding (they even made a mod about it), their lovely life running court (how it can be "so boring/exhausting, but it's worth it because they're together"), and the perfect little love goblins they headcanon the two made (even though it goes against canon), etc.

 

Even without the idealized fantasy, there is something to be said about being able to stay with him and marry him. If you're not a Lady Cousland, and you want to make him King but save the relationship, there's something said for not being forced to "harden" him (which some Alistair fangirls don't like, myself included) just for the "honor" of becoming his dirty little mistress so he can marry a brood mare.

 

I'll admit, knowing what I do now (i.e. Anora lies to a City Elf Warden about promising to help their people and actually cracks down on the alienage in the epilogue), I'd probably make change that playthrough to Alistair king if I didn't have to harden him to avoid getting dumped, or if we could have a more legitimate relationship instead of me being his bit on the side. As it is, though, there's not much incentive to do so. So I'll just stick to my "canon" city elf's mistakes.

 

(Keeping this mildly on topic, that's how I do "canon" playthroughs in general. My "canon" palythrough tends to be my first playthrough because it has the greatest emotional impact, with the downside that my characters make the best decisions they can with the limited information they have at the time. Unless I have really strong incentive to do otherwise, I tend to "commit to the mistake." My city elf honestly believed Anora when she said she'd help her people and didn't want to force Alistair into something he didn't want, so she made her queen. My Lavellan romanced Solas, drank from the Well, and chose to keep her vallaslin. Even knowing what I do now, I'm committing to those mistakes.)

[Ellawynn]

Ah. The person who first told me about Dragon Age let slip that the elves are the "Jew/Gypsies" of Thedas (that city elves are a lot like European Jews living in ghettos, and the Dalish are like wandering gypsies), so I got stars in my eyes and bought the game immediately.

 

 

 

I bought it because it had "dragon" in the title.

 

I am a woman of simple pleasures. And very high love of dragons.

 

(Well, I guess woman's a bit of a misnomer since I was a teenager when Origins came out. Now I am a woman of simple pleasures, and only slightly reduced love of dragons.)

 

 

Snip

 

 

Out of curiosity, what would you have Alistair do? Simply marrying a non-noble and especially a non-human isn't exactly within the realm of possibility, unless he wanted to be almost immediately usurped. I don't see how he has many other options.

 

(Also, we might want to take this to PM since it's not really relevant to Solas or DAI.)

[CapricornSun]

I love everything about this post. Gifs are an enjoyable side benefit.

EDIT: I found one of Illyria's old quotes with an explanation.

 

Thanks Lynroy!

[TheyCallMeBunny]

*snip*

 

(Keeping this mildly on topic, that's how I do "canon" playthroughs in general. My "canon" palythrough tends to be my first playthrough because it has the greatest emotional impact, with the downside that my characters make the best decisions they can with the limited information they have at the time. Unless I have really strong incentive to do otherwise, I tend to "commit to the mistake." My city elf honestly believed Anora when she said she'd help her people and didn't want to force Alistair into something he didn't want, so she made her queen. My Lavellan romanced Solas, drank from the Well, and chose to keep her vallaslin. Even knowing what I do now, I'm committing to those mistakes.)

 

I'm the same way! My first playthrough is always canon because I've always felt that my decisions there were more "real". My Surana and Warden Alistair seemed to be happy, and I liked Anora as a ruler - but realizing I would have to either sacrifice one of my favorite companions or my favorite PC forced me to change my canon and make Alistair king. I was very unhappy about this, and I still feel it would have been better to only have Stroud in that quest. I mean, why is it always the male LIs who die? Both Alistair and Zevran can die three different ways, while Morrigan and Lelliana seem unkillable (although Trespasser rectified that a bit with Lelli). In DA2 it's more equal, with the exception of Isabela who always survives. And as you know, both Cullen and Iron Bull can kick the bucket in DAI while the women are all fine. Give the male LIs the same plot armor as the ladies, please (that being said, I actually liked that Qun!Bull dumps you)!    

[midnight tea]

I bought it because it had "dragon" in the title.

 

I am a woman of simple pleasures. And very high love of dragons.

 

Same here, sister

Although in my case, I bought Dragon Age after a few of my ESO MMO buddies were gushing about it and then watched a favorable review on YT. So I've decided to give it a try, while I've been fruitlessly waiting for bigger updates for ESO (I was running out of things to do) and while I've HEARD of existence of Dragon Age before, the title was as far as my knowledge went. Little did I know, it was a start of a new 'obsession' 

[Solas]

Cant speak for other threadgoers but I don't mind the origins discussion that's been going on the last day or so between Solas talk, its made for an enjoyable read for me.

[Illyria]

I know a few people who couldn't tolerate Merrill til they played a Lavellan in DAI. (they never played Mahariel Wardens) they said they didn't.. How to say.. Essentially they didn't 'get' the dalish perspective til they not only played through a game as a dalish elf and experienced the da setting as one, but got emotionally invested in the dalish and their culture/problems as a result of playing said character. One of them still doesn't like her which is legit like we all have different opinions of the chars and its fine- but he said he at least now sees why she did the things she did and such. One of the reasons i enjoy the significant popularity of lavellans. iirc mahariel was not a popular origin at all

 

Mahariel's origin is my favourite but the game wont let me play a mage.

 

Thank the creators for the modding community.

[RogueBait]

Weekes mentioned that it's up to the fans on whether Solas slept with Lavellan or not. Also, the line Solas says is pretty ambiguous so I wouldn't say it's canon that they never slept together.

I think Midnight Tea and Illyria explained on how those lines could be interpreted somewhere in the thread but I couldn't find their posts, so here are some explanations from Tumblr because I suck at explaining.

Source: http://sihaofskyhold...-with-you-under

Spoiler

Solas: “What is the old Dalish curse?… ‘May the Dread Wolf take you.’”
Lavellan: “And so he did.”
Solas: “I did not. I would not lay with you under false pretenses.”

You can see Solas as sexual!Solas or as asexual!Solas. That’s your headcanon, your choice, and both are valid.

But what is important to point out is this:
- an Asexual!Solas - if not sex-repulsed of course (that could also happen - your headcanon!) - may have had intercourse with Lavellan.
- And a Sexual!Solas may have decided not to made love with Lavellan, feeling it would be unjust to her. So there are the sexual!Solas and asexual!Solas headcanons, but those headcanon themselves aren’t the same as to say “Asexual!Solas DID NOT have sex with Lavellan” or “Sexual!Solas DID have sex with Lavellan”. It’s more complicated than that!!

When Lavellan says “and so he did” and Solas answers “I did not”, we can assume they aren’t speaking about sex. It wouldn’t make sense regarding their answers). I mean - they’d both know if that had happened or no, right? So here they are rather speaking on a symbolism level - the Dread wolf taking Lavellan’s heart, spirit, etc.

The following line Solas says is more interesting:
“I would not lay with you under false pretenses.”

Instead of looking that phrase with the Sexual or Asexual lenses (as explained above), I’ll talk about it on the “did have sex” or “didn’t have sex”.
- DID HAVE SEX: By that sentence, Solas (independantly of his sexual identity) says he didn’t lied to Lavellan when having sex with her - his feelings were genuine, he wasn’t lying AT ALL -NEVER!
- DID NOT HAVE SEX: By that sentence, Solas (independantly of his sexual identity) says he would never have laid with Lavellan because of the lies surrounding him & their relationship (unknown by Lavellan at the time).

Source: http://ar-lath-ma-vh...at-the-line-was

Spoiler

i see two interpretations of this exchange.

1) lavellan is referring to sex. she’s saying that he took advantage of her, the implication being that he simply used her either for his own pleasure or in order to manipulate her - or both. he denies this, claiming that he never would have slept with her simply for the sake of his deception. in other words, his feelings for her and their relationship were both genuine. his desire for her, sexual and otherwise, was not a tool for controlling her or falsely earning her trust.

2) lavellan is using the phrase strictly in the way the dalish do. he deceived her and toyed with her. everything about their relationship was a lie in order to use her as a pawn in his plot. he tricked her into thinking that he loved her and took advantage of her trust. he denies this and reinforces it by explaining that he would not cross that line of intimacy with her when she still did not know the truth.

headcanon away. it’s meant to be ambiguous.

Personally, when I first heard that exchange between Solas and Lavellan in Trespasser, I thought it was confirmation that they did sleep together. (And I know I'm not the only one who thought this.)

And as far as my Lavellan is concerned, she and Solas had sex. (Lots of it. Fight me.)

EDIT: Urgh! Why is this post at the top?!

Here, have some nice Solavellan kissy gifs.

Source: http://flmeth.tumblr...t-idea-it-could



More under the tags.

Spoiler

 

This!

 

I was also completely of the mind that the exchange between Solas and Lavellan in Trespasser confirmed that they'd indeed slept together. Like, I'm pretty sure I did an 80's freeze-frame air-punch, mid-scene. But then others were posting about how they thought the opposite, and then I re-read it more carefully and was all, oh-ho, you clever writers, you.

 

So it is what you will, and I think that's pretty cool. My Tala, however, tapped the hell out of that elf. 

[Illyria]

Weekes mentioned that it's up to the fans on whether Solas slept with Lavellan or not. Also, the line Solas says is pretty ambiguous so I wouldn't say it's canon that they never slept together.

I think Midnight Tea and Illyria explained on how those lines could be interpreted somewhere in the thread but I couldn't find their posts, so here are some explanations from Tumblr because I suck at explaining.
 

 

Wait - stuff I say is interesting enough that people remember it?

 

Awesome.

[Barnzi88]

 

Hi fellow Solasians,

First post here (and on these forums, but I think I will be seen more often on this thread than anywhere else).

I was listening to this song today and was like ‘wow, I think Solas could have sung that to my poor poor Lavellan at the end of Trespasser’.

It would have been quite fitting, don’t you think (warning, sad sad song incoming)
 

http://youtu.be/GSyXSeAHL_k

 

Putting the lyrics in spoiler in case somebody is interested but does not want to listen to the song :

Spoiler

"From My Hands"
 

So much I've thought
I'd have to say
Though I try to speak
My meaning strays
We can't avoid
The facts that brought us here
I've come to say goodbye

The lies I try
To tell with my own eyes
An act of pride
A wilful compromise
Please understand
How torn I am
When I walk away from here

I lament
The moments we won't share
If I am far too sentimental, I apologize
Please understand
This is who I am
And who'll I'll still be
When I've walked away from here

You know I'm not unkind
When I say
In the future
The past is just the past
No going back
No change of heart
But this is now
Time will not defer

My thoughts betray
So easily confess
How long I'll wait here
After you have gone
Nothing ends
But I won't believe that now
Please don't walk away from here

And when alone
When I remember days
Nothing will change
A single fact of who you were to me
Oh come what may
Forever to the end
I find it so hard to let you go

Hush now
Let it go now
There's no need
For sad goodbyes

Hush now
Let it go now
I know it's time to go
Time to let this fall
From my hands

 

 

A sad but still lovely song Thanks for posting it for us to see.

I also imagined, if Solas ever sung, he's probably sing it in Elven. Would that be too cheesy, or a bit of a turn on? Honestly, to hear Gareth David Lloyd sing in Elven would be pretty hot, if it ever happens.

[Ghost Gal]

And lastly something else he speaks of.. It doesn't sound like there's going to be a place for modern elves in his proposed new world. Modern elves aren't his people or who he's trying to save or restore. Its his world or ours and he's understandably picking his.

 

Okay... this is not meant to sound angry, but I'm curious. Am I the only person in the whole fandom who doesn't believe Solas intends to let all modern elves burn with the current world? Am I the only person who doesn't think he's going to all this trouble (and this is a LOT of trouble for him) to restore all of Thedas to the pre-Veil worldstate just to restore a few dozen sleeping elves to power (instead of just taking them to the Crossroads or something)? Is there something Solas said in Trespasser that supports this view that I simply didn't see? 

 

I got the strong impression that when Solas says "the elves lost everything to the Veil, even themselves" (their magic, their immortality, their conscious connection to the Fade--which involves minor empathic and telepathic abilities a la Cole--their magic-fueled wonders, etc) and that he intends to tear down the Veil to restore the elves, what he meant was he intends to restore all modern elves' connection to the Fade so their magic, immortality, etc. will be restored, and they'll be effective "ancient elves" again.

 

True, Solas doesn't see modern elves as "his people," but in Trespasser I thought he made it clear that he only feels that way because them being cut off from the Fade makes them closer to Tranquil in his eyes. Tranquility happens when one is cut off from the Fade. Before the Veil, all elves were intrinsically tied to the Fade. When the Veil went up, most elves were mostly cut off from the Fade, which stripped them of their magic, immortality, etc. I got the impression that his plan is like a "Mass Reverse Tranquility" Plan--remove the Veil, restore all modern elves into ancient elves (which would make them "his people" again), and restore the modern world into "their world" so they'll have somewhere to go. Not "kill all modern elves so we can repopulate the world with ancient elves."

 

I just... don't get it. It seems literally everyone in the BSN, including everyone here in the Solas Thread, has walked away from Trespasser with "Solas' plan is to destroy all modern races, including all modern elves, just to help a few sleeping ancient elves," and I'm just the only person who didn't get the memo.

 

Oh for sure! That's why I say he's selfish but only to a point, truly selfish would be like damn she's hot I'm gonna hit that even tho that's very likely to hurt her intensely given my true nature etc. I tend to respond to "omg Solas is abusive and completely deceitful and insidious in Solavellan" type sentiments with the points that he signposted it clearly, said multiple times its a bad idea, tried to pull away and Lavellan was the active pursuer. Solas is truly gray area for me, neither a saint nor a jerkmonster.

 

Yeah, part of the pain of the breakup process was no knowing who to be madder at, him or myself.

 

"You *******! You were planning on leaving from the very beginning...! But then you did warn me that 'it would be kinder in the long run' if we didn't start at all. But then you kissed me back! ... But then I kissed you first. But then you should have walked away! But then I shouldn't have stopped you when I saw you tried to walk away... Argh! Stupid Egg!"

 

Out of curiosity, what would you have Alistair do? Simply marrying a non-noble and especially a non-human isn't exactly within the realm of possibility, unless he wanted to be almost immediately usurped. I don't see how he has many other options.

 

I already said in previous posts that I would have liked it if we didn't have to "harden" Alistair to save the relationship, or if the game didn't rub it in our faces how Alistair chooses to obey the nobles' unspoken expectation that he get a wife with a suitable uterus to produce suitable heirs, but we don't have that suitable uterus, so he's gonna dump us unless we convince him to keep us as a vag on the side.

 

Maybe it would have been nice if the game could let you convince him he doesn't have to marry a noblewoman and produce an heir just because the Landsmeet expects it (after all, the game lets you try to convince him even though he doesn't bite) so you two could remain together on slightly more honest terms. (Not just "the other woman" or "get dumped.")

 

(I also think Warden Aeducan should be able to become King/Queen of Orzammar at the very least by the end of the game, and Lady Aeducan should potentially be able to marry King Alistair on account of her noble heritage. Sure, she's a dwarf and they wouldn't be able to produce little royal heirs, but if Lady Cousland can convince the nobles that the "two Wardens = effective infertility" isn't an issue, so should Lady Aeducan. BUT that's just me.)

 

I'm the same way! My first playthrough is always canon because I've always felt that my decisions there were more "real". My Surana and Warden Alistair seemed to be happy, and I liked Anora as a ruler - but realizing I would have to either sacrifice one of my favorite companions or my favorite PC forced me to change my canon and make Alistair king. I was very unhappy about this, and I still feel it would have been better to only have Stroud in that quest. 

 

Ah. I have no problem killing Hawke. Never liked DA2, so down you go.

 

I mean, why is it always the male LIs who die? Both Alistair and Zevran can die three different ways, while Morrigan and Lelliana seem unkillable (although Trespasser rectified that a bit with Lelli). In DA2 it's more equal, with the exception of Isabela who always survives. And as you know, both Cullen and Iron Bull can kick the bucket in DAI while the women are all fine. Give the male LIs the same plot armor as the ladies, please (that being said, I actually liked that Qun!Bull dumps you)! 

 

I hadn't thought of it that way, but that's a really good point. Male LIs die right and left, but female LIs (especially author's darlings like Leliana and Morrigan) are unkillable. Huh.

[Elessara]

I played through all of the origins in DAO just to see them.  I actually played the game through on Human Noble and City Elf.  I generally prefer playing humans or elves in fantasy games and I did my first playthrough as the HN.  I didn't know anything about the game at that point so I didn't know they got dog first or the HNF could marry Alistair or that Alistair could even become king.  And yeah HNF is my preferred playthrough of DAO.

 

I played a human first in DAI as well but I started liking Solas so much right away that I knew I had to play a female Lavellan to see the romance.  And that was it for me, Lavellan all the way!

[Solas]

Nah there's definitely a few people on the thread and plenty of folks on tumblr who feel that way.

I don't actually think Solas' plan is to destroy all modern races, including all modern elves, just to help a few sleeping ancient elves- its not like that. Knowing solas and the writers there's loads more to it, 'its more complicated than that'. He tells us precious few details of what he intends to do and is characteristically vague and cryptic. Just neither do I think its as simple and nice as tear down veil-restore modern elves. He's super ominous and seemingly being set up as an antagonist of some kind for a reason. I have more thoughts but I'm really tired so its all scattered :')

[ladyiolanthe]

CapricornSun, Illyria et al - thanks for the links re Solas and the potential dual meaning behind that particular exchange; I hadn't seen them.

[FernRain]

Dreamt about the blight again. They would come out at night. Scary.

 

It brings the fear of Thedas people to life.

[Solas]

Dreamt about the blight again. They would come out at night. Scary.

 

It brings the fear of Thedas people to life.

bring faith, bring hope, bring a dream of life.. 

[Qun00]

There is no magical elf transformation, guys. The dialogue in Trespasser's ending doesn't change a single word if you're playing a Dalish elf.

[Zaerath]

ohmygod curse at me please!
the last exam is upon me D:

[Qun00]

ohmygod curse at me please!
the last exam is upon me D:

Sorry to hear. May the Dread Teacher never catch your scent.

[midnight tea]

There is no magical elf transformation, guys. The dialogue in Trespasser's ending doesn't change a single word if you're playing a Dalish elf.

 

No, but there's additional dialogue existing only for Dalish Quizzies (whether romanced or not), which implies that elf Quizzy could potentially help in some way to restore elves, but the price of it is too gruesome and Solas isn't willing to involve any other person to suffer the punishment for making his plan a reality.

 

.... Though I also don't think this is neither about restoring a bunch of ancient elves or just modern elves or whatever. It's something much bigger, IMO.

[dawnstone]

Okay... this is not meant to sound angry, but I'm curious. Am I the only person in the whole fandom who doesn't believe Solas intends to let all modern elves burn with the current world? Am I the only person who doesn't think he's going to all this trouble (and this is a LOT of trouble for him) to restore all of Thedas to the pre-Veil worldstate just to restore a few dozen sleeping elves to power (instead of just taking them to the Crossroads or something)? Is there something Solas said in Trespasser that supports this view that I simply didn't see? 

 

I got the strong impression that when Solas says "the elves lost everything to the Veil, even themselves" (their magic, their immortality, their conscious connection to the Fade--which involves minor empathic and telepathic abilities a la Cole--their magic-fueled wonders, etc) and that he intends to tear down the Veil to restore the elves, what he meant was he intends to restore all modern elves' connection to the Fade so their magic, immortality, etc. will be restored, and they'll be effective "ancient elves" again.

 

True, Solas doesn't see modern elves as "his people," but in Trespasser I thought he made it clear that he only feels that way because them being cut off from the Fade makes them closer to Tranquil in his eyes. Tranquility happens when one is cut off from the Fade. Before the Veil, all elves were intrinsically tied to the Fade. When the Veil went up, most elves were mostly cut off from the Fade, which stripped them of their magic, immortality, etc. I got the impression that his plan is like a "Mass Reverse Tranquility" Plan--remove the Veil, restore all modern elves into ancient elves (which would make them "his people" again), and restore the modern world into "their world" so they'll have somewhere to go. Not "kill all modern elves so we can repopulate the world with ancient elves."

 

I just... don't get it. It seems literally everyone in the BSN, including everyone here in the Solas Thread, has walked away from Trespasser with "Solas' plan is to destroy all modern races, including all modern elves, just to help a few sleeping ancient elves," and I'm just the only person who didn't get the memo.

I don't believe that even Solas honestly knows exactly what will happen.

 

As catastrophic as his creation of the Veil was, having it sit on the world for 3,500 years and then ripping it off, well, it seems logical that doing so would create upheaval that is just as terrible, and just as world-changing.

 

If the world seems as if it is full of Tranquil right now, as he suggests, and it is now known that Tranquil once reconnected to the Fade become immensely emotionally unstable - imagine if that happened to millions of people all at the same time, with no warning, no training to defend their minds, little knowledge of what is happening to them. There wouldn't need to be fire from the sky, or storms of demons descending, the world would, as he says, burn in chaos, those who manage to survive would have to cope with new feelings, magic, being able to connect with the Fade directly, reality working differently.

 

It may well be that the modern elves will be restored to their powers and immortality, but how many will die in the process? Will the Dwarves also be restored to their relationship with the Titans? Will humans be affected the same or differently from the elves, and in what way? Whatever happens the anti-magic Qunari are not going to like it. We just don't know how bad it will be for everyone, and just what sort of damage pulling back the Veil permanently would cause. It would effectively create another world though, with different rules that anyone surviving in it would have to learn.

 

The Breach was messy, it was destructive, because it destabilized the entire Veil without any way to easily re-stabilize it, until the Inquisitor gathered enough power. In the "bad future" from In Hushed Whispers, the Veil was not destroyed, it was shattered, the fragments of it creating chaos for both spirits and mortals - this is not what Solas wants, he wants it completely eliminated, which would likely have very different effects, though likely just as traumatic for the world, if in a different way.

 

While the Veil exists, there will always be a chance that something similar could happen again, and there is even the possibility that it will shatter on its own, eventually, due to entropy, because it is a construct and not the natural state of the world. Again this is conjecture - there is a great deal that we don't know about the nature of the Veil, its original purposes, Solas' plans, and the Fade itself.

 

It's not that I want him to be right, or believe that he wants to kill millions of people, it's that Solas is warning the Inquisitor about a worst-case scenario (as we all know, he is grim and fatalistic), if he isn't stopped or given another solution. He has never been one to pretty up an unpleasant truth (or what he believes to be the truth).

[Ghost Gal]

Nah there's definitely a few people on the thread and plenty of folks on tumblr who feel that way.

I don't actually think Solas' plan is to destroy all modern races, including all modern elves, just to help a few sleeping ancient elves- its not like that.

 

Really? Because... that's what your last post seemed to imply. 

 

Quoth: "It doesn't sound like there's going to be a place for modern elves in his proposed new world. Modern elves aren't his people or who he's trying to save or restore. Its his world or ours and he's understandably picking his."

 

How else am I supposed to interpret that post? 

 

There is no magical elf transformation, guys. The dialogue in Trespasser's ending doesn't change a single word if you're playing a Dalish elf.

 

And you know this for a fact? The writers have revealed all their plans for the next ten games for you and told you every detail?

 

His dialogue might not change if you're playing a Dalish elf (except a romanced one), but the information is still the same: the elves used to be great until he put up the Veil and accidentally cut them off from the Fade, he feels extremely guilty for having taken everything from the elves, now he wants to make them great again by removing the Veil and restoring the Fade to Thedas.

 

Some have interpreted this to mean, "F*CK all the modern races! F*CK all the modern elves! Let's fry 'em all up so the few dozen or so sleeping ancient elves can wake up and take their place in the waking world," but my interpretation of that conversation has always been, "If the Veil going up caused the elves to experience the Quickening, then the Veil going down could probably remove the effects of the Quickening," (if not that, then bringing the Fade here to "casually reshape reality" could), thus restoring modern elves into what they were pre-Veil, pre-Quickening. If Solas' guilt lies in having taken "everything from the elves, even themselves," and his desire is to restore what he took, then why does everyone seem to think it's the most absurd thing in the world for anyone to interpret that maybe restoring modern elves to their former glory could possibly be one of his goals?