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Surely Solas has always wanted to remove the Anchor, but it's because he didn't want anyone to use his power longer than was necessary. Maybe if he respected\liked\loved Inquisitor he wanted to save them, but if he didn't care about Inquisitor, then  saving them made no sense.

He talks about how his\her death is unnecessary, but really, what would Inquisitor's death change? Inquisition is disbanded or leashed to the Chantry, it's power and influence mostly gone. With most rifts closed and two years of dealing with aftermath of war with Corypheus, Inquisitor is no longer needed.

 

Of course, Inquisitor's death would shake the Exalted Council a bit, but in the end it would make things easier.

 

So, what was the point of saving the Inquisitor?
Maybe Solas still needs Inquisitor for something (even if he or she will fight him). But why risk everything by saying too much to the Inquisitor? It would be much easier to just let them die and say nothing of his plan. It's as if he wanted Inquisitor to stop him at some point. Or some small part of him believes that Inquisitor will do something that will help this world survive tearing down the Veil.

 

Or maybe he just wanted to talk\felt guilty about leaving everyone in the dark and saved Inquisitor out of his good heart. But that seems unlikely... at least to me.

I think it's safe to assume that Solas' way of solving problems is by using people- the whole plot of Trespasser is built on that. The dead qunari dragged through Eluvian to involve Inquisition in discovering their plans. The fight was mostly between Inquisitor and qunari, Solas helped but still it was the Inquisitor that did most of the fighting. Even the whole Inquisition plot was some other people cleaning mess that Solas made.

It seems he wants the Inquisitor to fight him. But why? Why in a scenario where he hates Inquisitor and thinks he's a complete fool that doesn't deserve his respect?
Inquisitor who made all the decisions that went against everything that Solas believed in? Surely he wouldn't want that Inquisitor to succeed?

It might be his pride though, he doesn't believe that Inquisitor would be able to stop him. But then again, what's the point?

 

Now, maybe, just maybe, at some point the Inquisitor will realize that he has been tricked once again and all his efforts to stop Solas were meant to achieve another goal, but what would that be I have no idea. Or maybe I have a few ideas, but they don't make much sense right now.

 

 

God, I'm doomed, I will think about it almost everyday until the next DA comes out...Am I crazy?

 


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*snip*

 

God, I'm doomed, I will think about it almost everyday until the next DA comes out...Am I crazy?

 

Join the club.  ;)


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Solas doesn't seem to take any pleasure in killing any of the people they go up against, and the banter with Iron Bull about them being people with families, and loved ones, lives etc. speaks volumes to me about Solas placing value on life. Even stopping the Qunari plot (or having the Inquisitor do it rather) is to prevent innocents from suffering. He's not the type to take a life when it is unnecessary, even if that person deserves it. Finding a creative punishment for the agents of Corypheus rather than killing them gains his approval throughout the game, so does aiding anyone in need. Including relatively mundane tasks like returning a wedding ring, or taking flowers to a wife's shrine.

 

Maybe not everyone did these little quests and saw his approval, I'm sure an assquisitor didn't but Solas places a lot of value on easing the plight of the less fortunate, and helping those that need it. Even an assquisitor that has been a thorn in his side since the Conclave.


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So we can  say that even before Inquisition, Solas cared about everyone. And even though he was going to tear down the Veil and use the resulting chaos to restore the world to his people, it wasn't something that he would do without remorse. That's why prefered to think of everyone as tranquil not-people, because that made it an easier task. He would even be able to  explain it to himself that they weren't really whole as people and it was an act of mercy. That's why he couldn't stand the thought that they're all People. And so Felassan had to die. :angry:

 

I still don't get why tearing down the Veil would be so bad. I mean- yes, a lot of people wouldn't survive, they're taught to fear everything that has anything to do with the Fade, they know nothing about it and likely a lot of spirits would twist into demons. But this does not mean destroying the world, not really.

We know that the Avvar live peacefully with spirits and they're much better for it. So it is not impossible to adapt.

 

And even in the alternate future, where Breach was all over the world, it wasn't impossible to live, I mean, it was a disaster, because red lyrium was everywhere, the Elder One won and  the Veil wasn't torn down properly, but it didn't annihilate every living person.

So what Solas needs to do is stop after tearing down the Veil and help people adapt instead of using the situation to start a war  between ancient elves and everyone else. If only the Elves had their piece of land, maybe we could persuade him to settle for that...

 

I really hope that Solas can't be killed in next game, because then it would mean that he has to die in every possible scenario (he's to important to be left alive or dead for future games). I want him to travel around Thedas and teach everyone about Fade and magic (with his vhenan!). I think he would like that.

 

And he's suffered enough already, let him have some happiness, too.


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Including relatively mundane tasks like returning a wedding ring, or taking flowers to a wife's shrine.

 

And throwing someone's ashes off the side of a cliff. He said something like "that was a kind thing you did".

 

And Sera and Vivienne have something funny to say during that:

 


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Felassan died because what he did was akin to an act of treason. He defied an order, knowing full well the consequences. Treason is usually punished by death no matter what world or country you come from. It doesn't mean that Solas wouldn't have let a Herald die if he could have removed the Anchor and used it, but I don't see how him removing the Anchor would have helped him in the beginning. How could it? It's not like it can be transferred from one to the other, even Corypheus knows he must control the anchor, and tries to remove it so he can try again to attain the anchor for himself. It requires the orb to make that happen. He may have hoped it would gain him back some power, but evidently that isn't the case. So he keeps them alive. Because letting them die isn't in his nature and they are needed to seal the Breach.

 

Solas speaks in half-truths, but he words things very carefully. He says things that make others assume what they want and he doesn't correct them if they draw the wrong conclusion. I doubt he would say he's pleased to see they still live if he wanted them dead. They have the mark, and even saving the group of soldiers from the mountains gains his approval if you choose the comment that says it was worth saving you if we could.

 

I know it took me a while to come to grips with the death of Felassan until I looked at it from a different perspective. He was most likely Solas' right hand man in everything, someone he trusted with his plans and secrets. And when he defied him it wasn't just treason, but a betrayal on a very personal level. He can't be allowed to live because he knows too much and it's a great risk to his plans.


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There are no faces on those boots though, sadly.


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I know that Solas killed (?) Felassan for his treason and even though Felassan didn't deserve to die  I understand why Solas did what he did.

And yet, Solas killed Felassan in the Fade, which should make him tranquil, not dead. Or maybe Solas can kill a dreamer in Fade and make him dead by that, he has got some super-powers after all.



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A Dreamer can kill people in their sleep, so I wonder. Though there are the Felassan Tranquil theories. Though, given how strongly Solas opposes Tranquility, I would think he'd think death was kinder.



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huh, that comic in Korean.. I don't know Korean but I would assume it's something like.. they are looking at a map and need to go to the other side of the cliff and instead of backtracking the way they came they decide to "sacrifice" Blackwall by making him jump? Or something like that :D

Anyway, I suppose you guys are correct. Surely Solas speaks pure Elvhen while the others don't and what they learned was the result of millennia of Elvhen being mixed with other languages and pronunciation. I'm Italian and we also have so many different dialects, for instance if I go to the south and people speak very strict dialects I may as well not understand a single word they say.

Well, that helps me give these little incongruences an explanation and not blame it on "the singers pronounced it wrong" or "Bioware didn't pay attention to the previous games when preparing Elvhen for DAI" then XD
 

 

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Hey XD to my defense, I didn't know that saying you will take responsibility for Merril could save the clan :P I usually pick the diplomatic answer on the top so I said Marethari was possessed and they went berserk on me, so I thought it was inevitable..  :P Only discovered it later on from Youtube XD

I seem to always make mistakes that lead to the decimation of Elven clans.. jeez. First Clan Sabrae... then Clan Lavellan...  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:



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A Dreamer can kill people in their sleep, so I wonder. Though there are the Felassan Tranquil theories. Though, given how strongly Solas opposes Tranquility, I would think he'd think death was kinder.

This one is where it gets weird. A dreamer can kill, and even control people through their dreams (that is people that don't consciously dream).

 

In DA2 Hawke and the gang enter into a dreamers dream. If they die (which most do turn on Hawke) they simply wake up. But if you kill the boy in his active dream he is made tranquil. So there is still room for the theory that Felassan was made tranquil and not actually killed since he entered into an active dream state through herbs in the fire rather than simply subconscious dreaming.

 

Don't we run into a girl that is surrounded by a bunch of dead people that had kidnapped her and she knew Fenyral through her dreams? I suspect he either manipulated them into killing each other, or entered her dreams and she killed them to protect herself.



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Felassan died because what he did was akin to an act of treason. He defied an order, knowing full well the consequences. Treason is usually punished by death no matter what world or country you come from. It doesn't mean that Solas wouldn't have let a Herald die if he could have removed the Anchor and used it, but I don't see how him removing the Anchor would have helped him in the beginning. How could it? It's not like it can be transferred from one to the other, even Corypheus knows he must control the anchor, and tries to remove it so he can try again to attain the anchor for himself. It requires the orb to make that happen. He may have hoped it would gain him back some power, but evidently that isn't the case. So he keeps them alive. Because letting them die isn't in his nature and they are needed to seal the Breach.

 

I think a while back Weekes said Solas needs the Anchor for whatever he's planning, so I think he actually can remove it sans Orb, and it's probably what he does at the end of Trespasser. Maybe he just wasn't strong enough before?

 

I know that Solas killed (?) Felassan for his treason and even though Felassan didn't deserve to die  I understand why Solas did what he did.

And yet, Solas killed Felassan in the Fade, which should make him tranquil, not dead. Or maybe Solas can kill a dreamer in Fade and make him dead by that, he has got some super-powers after all.

 

Hmm. With the current information we have about Tranquils, I can't see anything Solas would gain making Felassan one, and it probably is a pretty horrific end to him - if he didn't plain kill Felassan in the Fade, I imagine he went and found his friend's... body, and killed him there. 

 

(Granted, cost/benefit logic may be made irrelevant to Solas and what he does in the future. Wouldn't be the first time the writers just had their villain abandon any notion of sense and do random evil sh!t. Wouldn't be the first time said villain was a cool elven mage type even. Yes I'm looking at you Orsino.)

 

Although... it makes me wonder what Tranquil can really do. If you give them orders, will they follow, even if those orders contradict? Do they feel loyalty, and do they choose which orders to follow based on who they're most loyal to? (Although, Felassan was a bit lacking in loyalty before, so...) Could you use them for duplicity of any sort? A Tranquil spy would fit perfectly into basically any Circle if Solas wanted know what was going on in there. They'd be allowed everywhere and never questioned. But, probably not that useful if they spill their status as a spy if you just ask them. Not to mention Solas seems to maintain his spies through Fade dreams, which would obviously be pretty difficult for a Tranquil. And he may not have any reason to know what's happening in the Circles.

 

And this all assumes making and using Tranquils isn't against his values of freedom and abolition, which it probably is. *Sigh* I wish we could've just... asked Solas about his opinions on stuff. 

 

(And on the subject of Dreamers killing people in dreams - the only person we know did this is Feynriel, and he didn't actually kill anyone, he made them turn on each other. Which sounds like an interesting use of the ability (And I gotta ask why Solas never tried to do anything similar.) but Feynriel never killed anyone on his own in a dream.)

 

EDIT: Actually, the wiki says King Maric apparently killed someone in the physical world by decapitating them in a dream, so... huh. 



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I think a while back Weekes said Solas needs the Anchor for whatever he's planning, so I think he actually can remove it sans Orb, and it's probably what he does at the end of Trespasser. Maybe he just wasn't strong enough before?

 

 

Hmm. With the current information we have about Tranquils, I can't see anything Solas would gain making Felassan one, and it probably is a pretty horrific end to him - if he didn't plain kill Felassan in the Fade, I imagine he went and found his friend's... body, and killed him there. 

 

(Granted, cost/benefit logic may be made irrelevant to Solas and what he does in the future. Wouldn't be the first time the writers just had their villain abandon any notion of sense and do random evil sh!t. Wouldn't be the first time said villain was a cool elven mage type even. Yes I'm looking at you Orsino.)

 

Although... it makes me wonder what Tranquil can really do. If you give them orders, will they follow, even if those orders contradict? Do they feel loyalty, and do they choose which orders to follow based on who they're most loyal to? (Although, Felassan was a bit lacking in loyalty before, so...) Could you use them for duplicity of any sort? A Tranquil spy would fit perfectly into basically any Circle if Solas wanted know what was going on in there. They'd be allowed everywhere and never questioned. But, probably not that useful if they spill their status as a spy if you just ask them. Not to mention Solas seems to maintain his spies through Fade dreams, which would obviously be pretty difficult for a Tranquil. And he may not have any reason to know what's happening in the Circles.

 

And this all assumes making and using Tranquils isn't against his values of freedom and abolition, which it probably is. *Sigh* I wish we could've just... asked Solas about his opinions on stuff. 

 

(And on the subject of Dreamers killing people in dreams - the only person we know did this is Feynriel, and he didn't actually kill anyone, he made them turn on each other. Which sounds like an interesting use of the ability (And I gotta ask why Solas never tried to do anything similar.) but Feynriel never killed anyone on his own in a dream.)

 

EDIT: Actually, the wiki says King Maric apparently killed someone in the physical world by decapitating them in a dream, so... huh. 

The King Maric incident was part of the Comic series in the end. The Guy that had captured him was using Maric for stuffs, so it was Maric's blood that had sent everyone into the Fade/dreaming. And he's supposed to have dragon blood and be very powerful etc. so the circumstances were a bit on the exceptional side.

 

I imagine that Solas is the most powerful dreamer. If anyone can kill another in a dream it would be him, under normal circumstances. I know how Solas feels about tranquility, but I'd like to hope that Felassan survives in some way and can be restored. What can I say, I'm an optimist :P



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Surely Solas has always wanted to remove the Anchor, but it's because he didn't want anyone to use his power longer than was necessary. Maybe if he respected\liked\loved Inquisitor he wanted to save them, but if he didn't care about Inquisitor, then  saving them made no sense.

He talks about how his\her death is unnecessary, but really, what would Inquisitor's death change? Inquisition is disbanded or leashed to the Chantry, it's power and influence mostly gone. With most rifts closed and two years of dealing with aftermath of war with Corypheus, Inquisitor is no longer needed.

 

Of course, Inquisitor's death would shake the Exalted Council a bit, but in the end it would make things easier.

 

So, what was the point of saving the Inquisitor?
Maybe Solas still needs Inquisitor for something (even if he or she will fight him). But why risk everything by saying too much to the Inquisitor? It would be much easier to just let them die and say nothing of his plan. It's as if he wanted Inquisitor to stop him at some point. Or some small part of him believes that Inquisitor will do something that will help this world survive tearing down the Veil.

 

Or maybe he just wanted to talk\felt guilty about leaving everyone in the dark and saved Inquisitor out of his good heart. But that seems unlikely... at least to me.

I think it's safe to assume that Solas' way of solving problems is by using people- the whole plot of Trespasser is built on that. The dead qunari dragged through Eluvian to involve Inquisition in discovering their plans. The fight was mostly between Inquisitor and qunari, Solas helped but still it was the Inquisitor that did most of the fighting. Even the whole Inquisition plot was some other people cleaning mess that Solas made.

It seems he wants the Inquisitor to fight him. But why? Why in a scenario where he hates Inquisitor and thinks he's a complete fool that doesn't deserve his respect?
Inquisitor who made all the decisions that went against everything that Solas believed in? Surely he wouldn't want that Inquisitor to succeed?

It might be his pride though, he doesn't believe that Inquisitor would be able to stop him. But then again, what's the point?

 

Now, maybe, just maybe, at some point the Inquisitor will realize that he has been tricked once again and all his efforts to stop Solas were meant to achieve another goal, but what would that be I have no idea. Or maybe I have a few ideas, but they don't make much sense right now.

 

 

God, I'm doomed, I will think about it almost everyday until the next DA comes out...Am I crazy?

 

 

I feel like a couple of Solas core traits involve persistence and what he sees as being just.  I feel like he thinks taking down the veil and putting everything back to what it was is what he has to do because it is the just/right thing.  Even though he suspects/knows it will mean the destruction of everyone.  So, first he starts out making himself believe they are all shells but, even having an Inky he hates, you've got to think he can't have completely gone without forming any kind of connections with anyone else.  I mean when you protect each other, live together for a year watching each others backs, bonds are going to form.

 

Even assuming he managed to not get attached to anyone we know he has a super strong connection to spirits and doing whatever he plans to do with the veil will likely have a negative effect on spirits too.  So maybe, just maybe personal opinion mind you, maybe even if he hates the Inquisitor part of him wants the Inquisitor to succeed in stopping him.  He feels he has to do this thing that he doesn't really want to do so maybe part of him wishes someone would put a stop to him one way or another.

 

And throwing someone's ashes off the side of a cliff. He said something like "that was a kind thing you did".

 

And Sera and Vivienne have something funny to say during that:

 

 

Gods I love Sera so much.  I want a Sera of my own.


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Although... it makes me wonder what Tranquil can really do. If you give them orders, will they follow, even if those orders contradict? Do they feel loyalty, and do they choose which orders to follow based on who they're most loyal to? (Although, Felassan was a bit lacking in loyalty before, so...) Could you use them for duplicity of any sort? A Tranquil spy would fit perfectly into basically any Circle if Solas wanted know what was going on in there. They'd be allowed everywhere and never questioned. But, probably not that useful if they spill their status as a spy if you just ask them. Not to mention Solas seems to maintain his spies through Fade dreams, which would obviously be pretty difficult for a Tranquil. And he may not have any reason to know what's happening in the Circles.

 

Interesting question, especially given Samson and Maddox. Maddox was, if nothing, loyal in whatever way he could be, to the end.
 



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can I just say how I appreciate the Solas thread for its.. niceness xD I have observed recently more than once in other places where people speculating or wondering aloud about the possibility of a tragic/sad ending for Solavellan based on their creative ideas or potential hints from the game are greeted poorly. I'm not talking about light-hearted banter (like 'lol ur evil!'), expressing different opinions in response ('I see where you're coming from, I think differently and here's why [discussion ensues') and regular stuff like 'ohh no thats sad :C I hope for a happy ending'. I mean a landslide of rude, in-your-face dismissal, as if the only ideas/speculation accepted at the table is happy-ending shipping stuff and you're therefore to be shouted down and made to feel unwelcome, or as if you're personally out to get happy-ending Solavellan hopers just by speculating in such a manner. we all love Solas and Solavellan, there's no need to be rude or Thought Police.

 

I totally get wanting a happy Solavellan ending and I want one too provided it's written well (and I think it would be). just simultaneously I'm very grateful I'm permitted to wonder about other avenues and discuss them in here and everyone's nice, fun banter, cool thought-provoking discussion or Regular-Nice-Person comments in response. thanks  :D


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can I just say how I appreciate the Solas thread for its.. niceness xD I have observed recently more than once in other places where people speculating or wondering aloud about the possibility of a tragic/sad ending for Solavellan based on their creative ideas or potential hints from the game are greeted poorly. I'm not talking about light-hearted banter (like 'lol ur evil!'), expressing different opinions in response ('I see where you're coming from, I think differently and here's why [discussion ensues') and regular stuff like 'ohh no thats sad :C I hope for a happy ending'. I mean a landslide of rude, in-your-face dismissal, as if the only ideas/speculation accepted at the table is happy-ending shipping stuff and you're therefore to be shouted down and made to feel unwelcome, or as if you're personally out to get happy-ending Solavellan hopers just by speculating in such a manner. we all love Solas and Solavellan, there's no need to be rude or Thought Police.

 

I totally get wanting a happy Solavellan ending and I want one too provided it's written well (and I think it would be). just simultaneously I'm very grateful I'm permitted to wonder about other avenues and discuss them in here and everyone's nice, fun banter, cool thought-provoking discussion or Regular-Nice-Person comments in response. thanks  :D

 

I want a happy (happy-ish, happier than current) ending for Solas as well but I know it's just as likely to have a sad ending and there's really not much I can do about that.  Being rude and shouting people down isn't going to change that.  And people should be free to discuss possible endings, happy or sad.  So I am also glad this thread is a place where we can all do that in a civil and friendly fashion.


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I want a happy (happy-ish, happier than current) ending for Solas as well but I know it's just as likely to have a sad ending and there's really not much I can do about that.  Being rude and shouting people down isn't going to change that.  And people should be free to discuss possible endings, happy or sad.  So I am also glad this thread is a place where we can all do that in a civil and friendly fashion.

amen  :D



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Some I think about how Solas feels about dating a girl 10,000 years younger than him.



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I totally get wanting a happy Solavellan ending and I want one too provided it's written well (and I think it would be). just simultaneously I'm very grateful I'm permitted to wonder about other avenues and discuss them in here and everyone's nice, fun banter, cool thought-provoking discussion or Regular-Nice-Person comments in response. thanks  :D

 

 

Heh, I think the problem is that certain sections of Solas fans are... touchy. Which is kind of understandable, since there some players that really dislike Solas, and a few who really dislike his fans for simply being fans. But I think it's made some of us a bit reactionary whenever something can be construed as being negative or critical of him and his fans. Maybe we're safer from that here because we don't get people, I dunno, bursting in and declaring us all budding psychopaths or something. 

 

Anyway, I really only want a well-written ending for Solas and Solavellan. If it's tragic, happy, bittersweet, whatever - I don't care too much about that. Just so long as it doesn't make me feel cheated. Although, given the wealth of player opinions on Solas, and the fact that he's almost certainly involved in the story of the Evanuris and the Blight (Which seems to be the main arc of the franchise.) I'd be surprised if we didn't get a range of drastically different endings for him, similar to what we got with Origins. I mean, he's already branched more than most characters, given that he can either be a sorrowful anti-villain or a ruthless destroyer by the end of Trespasser.


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Came upon this song randomly, dunno if its been posted today: Wolves Without Teeth by Of Monsters and Men:

 

Lyrics:

Spoiler

very fitting imo


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Came upon this song randomly, dunno if its been posted today: Wolves Without Teeth by Of Monsters and Men:

 

Lyrics:

Spoiler

very fitting imo

 

That...that definitely works.


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While I am holding out hope for a happy ending, and not just for Solas and Lavellan. Thedas as well, I will accept a bittersweet, and maybe even a tragic ending to the romance provide I feel like it gets closure! The other games felt like closure, even if they did continue some things through the next ones. We still have the Hero out seeking a cure if they didn't die. We have Hawke who is either in the Fade or Alistair or a warden what have you. There are too many loose threads left hanging.


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