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Art post.

 

"You are a dream come true, Valentine." (Solavellan. I love the colors <3)

 

Papa Solas with his daughter and her pet nug. By kallielef. (These are so cute. :crying: <3 )

 

Solas done for the color palette meme. (I love the soft colors here too.)

 

Solas standing around.

 

One Punch Egg. :whistle:

 

Smol egg. (Awww! <3 )

 

She is the angriest crier. (Trespasser Solas x Cadash)

 

Solas feels bad about killing Morrigan's mother. Oh my gosh, Solas. :lol:

 

Adorable chibi artwork of the Dragon Age male Qunari, Elven, and Dwarven companions.


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Solas feels bad about killing Morrigan's mother. Oh my gosh, Solas. :lol:

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This is a Solas version of the Kylo Ren SNL sketch. (Star wars spoilers in case you haven't seen the movie!)

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:lol:

This is a Solas version of the Kylo Ren SNL sketch. (Star wars spoilers in case you haven't seen the movie!)

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Oh so that's what trashwarden's comics were based on. :lol:

(I've watched The Force Awakens but I don't watch SNL so thank you for sharing that. :D )


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I saw these pictures (spoilerd for size) and was reminded of a heated debate a friend and I had a couple of months back:

 

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We were discussing who would win the arm wrestling - Cassandra or Aveline. The debate raged for several minutes, but we came to no conclusion, so we turned to our male friend sitting at the table.

 

"What do you think? They are both equally strong and badass. Both are stubborn as mules and never back down. Who would win?" I asked.

"Obviously the men watching" he said.

 

Although it hardly resolved the question, I still think it's the best answer I've heard yet.  :lol:


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Who knows if Solas still loves Lavellan :(



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Art post.

 

Gorgeous color palette meme artwork of Solas.  <3

 

Looking Glass comic: Lavellan and Pride's kiss scene.  :wub:

 

The Moon Reversed. Gorgeous tarot card of Lavellan with the Dread Wolf.

 

'Falling Slowly'. Lavellan running towards Solas for an embrace.

 

'The Forbidden Apostate'. A romance novel-ish style Solavellan art with Solas in a kilt. xD

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Someone's sketchbook cover design starring Solas and Lavellan.


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That chibi art.. Fenris and Solas.. they even have the same eyes there ... *dies* aaawww!



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Wooo I haven't been here for a week and you've had so much interesting discussion!
 

I agree that DAO elves had the same body model as humans, but scaled down. However, I must disagree if anyone says the same about their facial features.

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Would you really tell me "That totally is a human face if you take away the tattoos and pointed ears"?

 
I have no opinion, really, because I haven't played Origins yet. But they do seem to lean more towards the usual high cheekbones - narrow face - kinda pretty "elfy" look than the human face.
 

*snip*
 
Zaerath: I find that the CC in DAI really lets you build an elf's face how you like, and I am grateful for that. I'm not keen on the big-eyed look that was introduced in DA2. My Lavellan is more like a DAO elf, in that her face looks somewhat like a human's with pointed ears. I noticed that the DAI NPC elves largely did not have the giant eyes (Solas being a case in point) and I'm good with that. The body, of course, is a completely different story. I don't use mods so I had the default very slender female elf body like the ones from DA2. I like the range of variability we were able to create in our characters' faces, but I think I would have preferred a somewhat more filled-out body for my Lavellan. (Solas' body mesh was awesome, though, and Sera's wasn't bad, though I would have preferred slightly thicker arms).
 
I know quite a few people wish the vanilla DAI would have allowed us to modify bodies as well as faces so that we could have chubby elves or petite Qunari (among other things). I think that would be cool if it didn't gobble up too many development resources in terms of skin compatibility, etc. I think there's enough distinctive features of each race that, even if height and weight were highly variable on slider scales, you'd still be able to tell if a protagonist is an elf or a human or a dwarf or a Qunari. What do you all think?

 
oh yeah, The Sims vibes all around :lol: I had a grand time making my Zae and I like seeing all the other Lavellans going around the internet. I like that in DAI they've been given that cute "elven" nose-bridge. I didn't know about it when I was making my Lavellan but next time I'll definitely use it.
 
Well, Solas is really not the best example of "usual" elves (at least not modern. Abelas also doesn't have big eyes). Sera has pretty big eyes, I'd say. But Gatt doesn't. Are there any other elves with cutscenes? So yeah, freedom of choice and character creation, yay!
 
Oh my, Inqui's elf body is strange. Female's arms are thin like noodles and male's shoulders are almost narrower than their hips. But I like them anyway. Androgynous body types *sighs happily*
 
I agree with you on the "change the body" issue. There would be too many problems like texture stretching and armour clipping. It would be nice to be able to customise body as well, of course, but it's probably too much work.
 

Art post.
 
(I think this deserves to be out of the spoiler tags. )
 
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Source: http://lavellanlove....o-new-followers

 
Oh man, that, alongside the blanketfort, should be our token image in response to somebody joining the thread :lol:
Can we add it to the first post?
 

French toasts. Beautiful modern AU Solavellan art by nipuni (Look at the little face that Lavellan drew on the egg.  )


idk about the egg, I can only focus on dat booty :blush: prim and proper people in sweatpants do something to me
 

Awesome WIP of Solas' age progression from a boy to the man we have now. (GIF)


gosh this is gorgeous! hope this will get finished soon and that the artist will post the images separately as well. Especially the angsty middle ones
 

Redemption Ark! YESSSS!  (lol, the S.S. Zuko. xD)


S.S.ZUKO :P
I think it's a very fitting name because Zuko's redemption ark is one of the best (if not the best) redemptions that modern media has seen. On days I visit Team Optimism's ship I hope Solas gets redemption ark at least half as good as our favourite angsty Fire Prince's. Or won't get villainised enough to require one in the first place, you know. A girl can hope
 

Okay... this is not meant to sound angry, but I'm curious. Am I the only person in the whole fandom who doesn't believe Solas intends to let all modern elves burn with the current world? Am I the only person who doesn't think he's going to all this trouble (and this is a LOT of trouble for him) to restore all of Thedas to the pre-Veil worldstate just to restore a few dozen sleeping elves to power (instead of just taking them to the Crossroads or something)? Is there something Solas said in Trespasser that supports this view that I simply didn't see? 
 
I got the strong impression that when Solas says "the elves lost everything to the Veil, even themselves" (their magic, their immortality, their conscious connection to the Fade--which involves minor empathic and telepathic abilities a la Cole--their magic-fueled wonders, etc) and that he intends to tear down the Veil to restore the elves, what he meant was he intends to restore all modern elves' connection to the Fade so their magic, immortality, etc. will be restored, and they'll be effective "ancient elves" again.
 
True, Solas doesn't see modern elves as "his people," but in Trespasser I thought he made it clear that he only feels that way because them being cut off from the Fade makes them closer to Tranquil in his eyes. Tranquility happens when one is cut off from the Fade. Before the Veil, all elves were intrinsically tied to the Fade. When the Veil went up, most elves were mostly cut off from the Fade, which stripped them of their magic, immortality, etc. I got the impression that his plan is like a "Mass Reverse Tranquility" Plan--remove the Veil, restore all modern elves into ancient elves (which would make them "his people" again), and restore the modern world into "their world" so they'll have somewhere to go. Not "kill all modern elves so we can repopulate the world with ancient elves."
 
I just... don't get it. It seems literally everyone in the BSN, including everyone here in the Solas Thread, has walked away from Trespasser with "Solas' plan is to destroy all modern races, including all modern elves, just to help a few sleeping ancient elves," and I'm just the only person who didn't get the memo.
 
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I'm with you here.
I've never seen Solas as a "bad guy" while I was playing until I ventured into the fandom/tumblr/BSN. I mean, it just doesn't make sense that he'll kill everyone just to leave a handful of ancient Elvhen to wander around Thedas.
 
The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that, maybe, what Solas meant was that not the tearing down the Veil but the chaos that'll follow will kill a lot of people. Because we've seen how they (and especially humans) react to anything out of ordinary and/or Fade-related. Most of the mages will likely be killed buy angry mobs/Templars/Chantry, people will panic, cults, radical groups and various opportunists will spring up like mushrooms after the rain. Chantry will certainly throw a fit or descend into panic or call another Exalted March. Tevinter's economy will likely collapse with the mass exodus of elven slaves. Etc., etc.
 
About the elves. It seems to me that Solas doesn't think they will massively die. It looks like he's trying to safeguard them as much as possible. Freeing the slaves, having agents everywhere, amassing off-screen political power... Doesn't look like just a means to an end. I don't think he does it only to tear down the Veil because why the hell would he need all of that? He could seal the freaking Evanuris AND separate the Fade all in one fell swoop all by himself but now he for some reason needs spies and politics to tear down the Veil that has been weakened with time and magic abuse? It actually looks like he's building a foundation for the future Elven kingdom/country/whatever where the "tranquil" modern elves can more safely transition into Elvhen/"his People", where elvhen culture can be restored, history remembered and the People protected from future abuse.
 
Like Inqui said to Valta when talking about the Titans and earthquakes: "Depending on your perspective, change can be violent" 
I think Solas really does not know  the extent of the damage Thedas will suffer. He can only try to save as many elves as he can but he knows there will be losses. So he probably just tells Inqui the worst-case scenario because Inquisition proved itself to be a mostly-neutral (or at least not openly pro-elf) power so Solas can't risk letting Inqui too close.
 
Don't know how well I expressed my thought but I think dawnstone did it really well:
 

I don't believe that even Solas honestly knows exactly what will happen.
 
As catastrophic as his creation of the Veil was, having it sit on the world for 3,500 years and then ripping it off, well, it seems logical that doing so would create upheaval that is just as terrible, and just as world-changing.
 
If the world seems as if it is full of Tranquil right now, as he suggests, and it is now known that Tranquil once reconnected to the Fade become immensely emotionally unstable - imagine if that happened to millions of people all at the same time, with no warning, no training to defend their minds, little knowledge of what is happening to them. There wouldn't need to be fire from the sky, or storms of demons descending, the world would, as he says, burn in chaos, those who manage to survive would have to cope with new feelings, magic, being able to connect with the Fade directly, reality working differently.
 
It may well be that the modern elves will be restored to their powers and immortality, but how many will die in the process? Will the Dwarves also be restored to their relationship with the Titans? Will humans be affected the same or differently from the elves, and in what way? Whatever happens the anti-magic Qunari are not going to like it. We just don't know how bad it will be for everyone, and just what sort of damage pulling back the Veil permanently would cause. It would effectively create another world though, with different rules that anyone surviving in it would have to learn.
 
The Breach was messy, it was destructive, because it destabilized the entire Veil without any way to easily re-stabilize it, until the Inquisitor gathered enough power. While the Veil exists, there will always be a chance that something similar could happen again, and there is even the possibility that it will shatter on its own, eventually, due to entropy, because it is a construct and not the natural state of the world. Again this is conjecture - there is a great deal that we don't know about the nature of the Veil, its original purposes, Solas' plans, and the Fade itself.
 
It's not that I want him to be right, or believe that he wants to kill millions of people, it's that Solas is warning the Inquisitor about a worst-case scenario (as we all know, he is grim and fatalistic), if he isn't stopped or given another solution. He has never been one to pretty up an unpleasant truth (or what he believes to be the truth).


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Whelp, too many quotes for one post :whistle:
 

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(What's more to the point is this - why are those cultists worshipping the Breach? Because they think it signals the Maker's return. And what divine figure do we know was only recently roused from sleep, with the Breach's creation being his act upon waking?

Goddamit Solas.)

Especially since Chantry lore holds that the Maker made the Veil


OOOH BURRRRN

You know, I thought about that before in passing and mostly just dismissed it as Chantry assigning everything to the Maker but now I don't even know what to think. Solas is definitely not the Maker but the fact that some of his deeds are credited to Him does not bode well. I'm actually kind of scared for Solas now :o
It's a good thing Solas is mostly in hiding because can you imagine what'll happen if Chantry find out the truth? He'll have an Exalted March all for himself at the very least D:
 

I don't mind tragedy and angst on the way to a happy ending. But for me, if that's all there is - sorrow, tragedy, angst, tears - I'm left with the feeling of, "Well what was the point of THAT? Ugh." Eh, at this point I still have some hope for Solas and Lavellan though.


Yeah, me too. I don't mind all the bad stuff if the ending is at least hopeful/not that bad. It's just, we've got enough injustice and horrible lives and tragic ends as it is, can't we have some hope in media? I actually don't really care if Solavellan will survive or not, people love many times and "one true love in life" is a bit too overdone for my tastes. I just want Solas to stop suffering and have something good in his life :(
 

Hmmm... Endings...

I really like DAI but if I take a look at the ending, I definitely prefer DAO.
There you really have several endings for your chars while in DAI it all ends "the same". You have slight changes (who will be devine justinia) but all in all, it's the sane routine.
Real life isn't leading us to a happy end neither do I expect from a game. It's of course nice to have a nice, fluffy, pink, shiny happy ending but I prefere those endings that are in a way split. On one hand you saved the world but the question is... at what price?
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It seems that a lot of people forget that DAI is literally half a game plot-wise. DAI's plot got too big for one game so devs chopped it roughly in half so DA4 is more like DA3,5 than anything. So "the same" ending was mostly inevitable at that point, I think. I don't think you can have too different paths in the middle of the game.
 

Some days you are easily amused - I read a headline in a Swedish newspaper about an approaching storm which, roughly translated and given American equivalents, read:

"Thor is coming - the National Weather Service warns of flying objects"

and all I could think about was:

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I just had to get that out of my system!

On a more thread-related note, do you guys think Solas wears his wolf-bone necklace simply because he was called the Dread Wolf or do you think it has a more special significance (perhaps it was his first kill? something related to a ritual?). I'm guessing the writers did it just to mess with us, but we can always headcanon something more interesting.


Ahahah what's up with people naming storms? We don't do it here
now I want a Loki storm :P

I think it's something personal. Either sentimental or maybe given by Mythal if we go by "Solas was spirit" route. Then it keeps his form corporeal or allows him freedom in the Fade or is an self-possession thingy like Solas gave Cole or binds him to service of Mythal or something else, idk
Wearing wolf-parts because you're wolf is a bit creepy tbh.
 

mmh.. I have a little silly question: is anyone a bit bothered by the different ways Elvhen is pronounced during the 3 games?

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I would agree with thing people wrote before and say:
Leliana doesn't know Elvhen, as for the Dalish, it's probably a mix of "it's a dialect" and "modern elves have no idea how to pronounce it".

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but even most Dalish don't speak elvhen, do they? I think Keepers are supposed to? But Dalish Mage Inquisitor, the First of Clan Lavellan, who is supposed to become a Keeper, doesn't know any elvhen except for common phrases like "hello", "goodbye" and "thank you".

I think Elvhen is like Latin in that regard. English, for example, has tons of Latin phrases and words. People learn Latin, know its structure and rules for stresses and conjugation but we don't actually know how it is supposed to sound like. So when we learned Latin in Uni and asked "How do we speak Latin?" the professor just said "Keep the "h" Ukrainian-sounding and just try not to sound too Russian"

In the end, everyone speak Latin with a heavy [enter your mother tongue] accent. I think for Dalish Elvhen is like that, only it doesn't have strict rules for stresses so they don't even have that to guide them. They speak it as they read it, relying heavily on Common tongue and their regional dialect.

It made sad for some reason :( A future linguist shouldn't ponder on dead languages, apparently


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Really? Because... that's what your last post seemed to imply. :mellow:

Quoth: "It doesn't sound like there's going to be a place for modern elves in his proposed new world. Modern elves aren't his people or who he's trying to save or restore. Its his world or ours and he's understandably picking his."

How else am I supposed to interpret that post?


And you know this for a fact? The writers have revealed all their plans for the next ten games for you and told you every detail?

His dialogue might not change if you're playing a Dalish elf (except a romanced one), but the information is still the same: the elves used to be great until he put up the Veil and accidentally cut them off from the Fade, he feels extremely guilty for having taken everything from the elves, now he wants to make them great again by removing the Veil and restoring the Fade to Thedas.

Some have interpreted this to mean, "F*CK all the modern races! F*CK all the modern elves! Let's fry 'em all up so the few dozen or so sleeping ancient elves can wake up and take their place in the waking world," but my interpretation of that conversation has always been, "If the Veil going up caused the elves to experience the Quickening, then the Veil going down could probably remove the effects of the Quickening," (if not that, then bringing the Fade here to "casually reshape reality" could), thus restoring modern elves into what they were pre-Veil, pre-Quickening. If Solas' guilt lies in having taken "everything from the elves, even themselves," and his desire is to restore what he took, then why does everyone seem to think it's the most absurd thing in the world for anyone to interpret that maybe restoring modern elves to their former glory could possibly be one of his goals?


Hey, I'm just working with what we're given. You are the one trying to find a hidden meaning in Solas' words.

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Oh so that's what trashwarden's comics were based on. :lol:

(I've watched The Force Awakens but I don't watch SNL so thank you for sharing that. :D )

You're welcome! The comic was silly so I thought the video would make it even better. I keep finding art that takes quotes from that skit, so it's worth seeing at least for context.  ^_^

 

..Self-art post! I've had really bad confidence ..art block lately. But I made myself draw something again and actually almost finished it.

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:D  Very cute, Garnet.



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:D  Very cute, Garnet.

Thank you! >w<;



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I looked through my music and found some Solas songs. Sorry if any (all?) of them have already been here
 
Mikky Ekko – We Must Be Killers

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Those Dancing Days – Help Me Close My Eyes

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Oh Land – Wolf and I

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First Aid Kit - Wolf

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You're welcome! The comic was silly so I thought the video would make it even better. I keep finding art that takes quotes from that skit, so it's worth seeing at least for context.  ^_^
 
..Self-art post! I've had really bad confidence ..art block lately. But I made myself draw something again and actually almost finished it.

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Very nice :D He's very recognisable, which I think is one of the most important things in fanart :)
you forgot his scar?
One very good advice I've seen a lot in art community is: try not to leave black lineart, make it more transparent and/or not black (brownish is a safe bet for portraits). It makes your art look much more professional :)



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I would agree with thing people wrote before and say:

Leliana doesn't know Elvhen, as for the Dalish, it's probably a mix of "it's a dialect" and "modern elves have no idea how to pronounce it".

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but even most Dalish don't speak elvhen, do they? I think Keepers are supposed to? But Dalish Mage Inquisitor, the First of Clan Lavellan, who is supposed to become a Keeper, doesn't know any elvhen except for common phrases like "hello", "goodbye" and "thank you".

I think Elvhen is like Latin in that regard. English, for example, has tons of Latin phrases and words. People learn Latin, know its structure and rules for stresses and conjugation but we don't actually know how it is supposed to sound like. So when we learned Latin in Uni and asked "How do we speak Latin?" the professor just said "Keep the "h" Ukrainian-sounding and just try not to sound too Russian"

In the end, everyone speak Latin with a heavy [enter your mother tongue] accent. I think for Dalish Elvhen is like that, only it doesn't have strict rules for stresses so they don't even have that to guide them. They speak it as they read it, relying heavily on Common tongue and their regional dialect.

It made sad for some reason :( A future linguist shouldn't ponder on dead languages, apparently

I'm pretty sure as a Dalish PC they give an take our understanding of elvhen at various points to serve the story. During Solas' personal quest we're are able to understand his exchange with the spirit, it's even translated nicely for us. Meanwhile other times we're left clueless to serve the story/perpetuate mystery, like Solas' exchange with the fear demon in the Fade, or his talk with Abelas (would've been nice to call him on his **** at that moment). It's terribly inconsistent and frustrating to be sure. 


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I'm pretty sure as a Dalish PC they give an take our understanding of elvhen at various points to serve the story. During Solas' personal quest we're are able to understand his exchange with the spirit, it's even translated nicely for us. Meanwhile other times we're left clueless to serve the story/perpetuate mystery, like Solas' exchange with the fear demon in the Fade, or his talk with Abelas (would've been nice to call him on his **** at that moment). It's terribly inconsistent and frustrating to be sure. 

 

It's so very obvious that the game was finished for a human PC when the other races were added in. :I

 

So... guys.  I've only been popping into the thread occasionally and not really reading much.  Anything interesting been happening?


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I'm pretty sure as a Dalish PC they give an take our understanding of elvhen at various points to serve the story. During Solas' personal quest we're are able to understand his exchange with the spirit, it's even translated nicely for us. Meanwhile other times we're left clueless to serve the story/perpetuate mystery, like Solas' exchange with the fear demon in the Fade, or his talk with Abelas (would've been nice to call him on his **** at that moment). It's terribly inconsistent and frustrating to be sure. 

 

I think only the talk with Wisdom was translated for the elf Inquisitor? I just decided to treat it as some kind of fluke or devs just taking pity on all the language nerds who will undoubtedly try to translate everything. Or Solas' personal quest was added last, like his romance, and they simply forgot that all the other conversations don't have translation

I still maintain that Lavellan doesn't really know elvhen


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Very nice :D He's very recognisable, which I think is one of the most important things in fanart :)
you forgot his scar?
One very good advice I've seen a lot in art community is: try not to leave black lineart, make it more transparent and/or not black (brownish is a safe bet for portraits). It makes your art look much more professional :)

Thanks. ^_^  I"m really bad at capturing likenesses.. I changed the lineart and it does look much softer. The scar is there now too. :D



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I wasn't originally going to reply to this because I've had a lousy couple of days (lost my job, among other things), and I don't like digging up old posts, but since you brought this to my attention...

 

Hey, I'm just working with what we're given. You are the one trying to find a hidden meaning in Solas' words.

 

Believe it or not, I didn't sit around for hours after Trespasser first came out, turning over Solas' every word searching for a way to spin his obviously oh-so-evil plan into a positive light.

 

My interpretation of his plan (that I posted here) also comes from working with what we're given. Yours is not the only interpretation anyone could reasonably make based on what the game presents us.

 

The post was made in response to someone who was asking if anyone felt they understood why Solas wouldn't want the Inquisitor to join them. I threw out several possible reasons people have talked about that espouse why him not letting them join him is logical/understandable to them.

 

also what midnight tea said: ".... Though I also don't think this is neither about restoring a bunch of ancient elves or just modern elves or whatever. It's something much bigger, IMO." - stuff along the lines of what I was/am too tired and scattered to hash out in a mini essay tonight  :P

 

Solas' plan isn't "destroy all modern races, including modern elves". It's "restore the world of my people and undo my mistakes by tearing down the Veil + [insert cryptic technobabble here]". He isn't setting out with a plan of genocide, but he does seem to feel and indicate that the specifics of whatever it is he's going to do in order to achieve the goal in bold may potentially have highly destructive results ('world burning in the raw chaos', 'live well in the time that remains', 'even if it means this world must die', all of that stuff). That's a potential sideeffect, an unfortunate consequence, not his plan-plan. Make sense? Hence why I don't say "I think his plan is: Destroy All Modern Races". I don't think its absurd to think that modern elves might be included in his plans, just at the same time my interpretation of it was that it sounded unlikely that they were, and at the same time even if they are included I'm still incredibly concerned about the potential impact on the rest of the races in thedas. all that destruction he seems to think will happen... what if restoring the glory of and saving one race comes with great destructive cost to the other three? it might, it might not. or what if a restored elven empire = the good the bad and the ugly is restored, not just the good? elvhenan was awesome in many ways but also really crappy in others. either way it's all purely hypothetical at this point

 

the "few sleeping ancient elves" thing is a whole other thing entirely i could write paragraphs on, i don't think they're so few as some people think. even if they are it's not a big issue for me conceptually, an immortal race with serious magic powers have plenty scope to propagate again imo.

 

sorry this is so scrappy i really am wired and beat, with my medication today i dont know which way is up

 

I'm still not convinced, but you seem earnest about what you're saying, so I'll have to take your word for it.  -_-

 

You're not, for the record. Seems to me that all this "Being in the Crossroads invigorates the elves, even modern ones" is there to set-up their return to ancient elfiness. I can't think of a reason why it'd be in there otherwise. And it'd make absolutely no logical sense if being close to the Fade empowers them, but then they die like every other mortal when the Veil goes down. Seems to me that the elves becoming empowered is a natural conclusion of dropping the Veil, modern or no.

 

Solas does say "my people mean the end of yours," though. But, I don't see how that really contradicts the idea that dropping the Veil will empower the modern elves. He could be saying your people will end because they'll become his, whether they want to or not. He could be talking about the mortal races in general, rather then the elves in particular, since he doesn't seem to make much designation between the two. Or maybe he's just acknowledging that the chaos and destruction inherent to his plan's process will likely kill a lot of elves (But not kill all the elves, as it might the humans or Qunari.). They'll be fine and dandy once the process is done, but their numbers will be so reduced and their existence so changed that they will basically have ended. 

 

*Shrug* But I dunno. We don't even know how Solas intends to go about his plan, or what specifically is so deadly about it. Obviously the answer to this question hinges on that. 

 

That's all I'm saying! ;A;

 

For the record, I'm not saying I think I'm right about my interpretation of Solas' plan, there are just different ways of looking at it and I came away with more-or-less the... whatever my view is.

 

I just read around the forums more than I post and it seems everyone is convinced his plan obviously involves the deliberate destruction of both the modern world and all races in it, and that all the modern elves who've flocked to Fen'Harel's side (that we see at the Trespasser ending slide) are just mindless pawns to him that he's lied and manipulated into helping him, by promising they'll have a place in the new world he'll create, but he obviously fully intends to discard them and let them burn with the current world once he's done with them. (Either that or that they're all suicidal end-of-the-world fanatics that know they won't have a place in the new world he's planning on rebuilding, but they're helping him destroy the current world anyway knowing they'll burn with it because they want to spite humans.)

 

And I'm just sitting here like, "... Huh?" I know Solas is can be pretty very ruthless in accomplishing his goals, but I don't see anything in the game that points to him being obviously, completely, indisputably that heartless.   :wacko:

 

Personally, I liked the way they did it. It's such a subversion of the expected fairy tale format. It's a pretty common trope to reward a hero by giving them a title and a crown. How many stories can you name that end with the triumphant hero returning to be crowned, the rightful heir restored to the throne? But the Landsmeet in Origins shows how messy that can be. The classic fairy tale reward is shown to not be so rewarding after all, but another burden to bear, to sacrifice for.

 

But the human noble is the only origin the game doesn't force that subversion on, which is both my point and my problem with it.



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That's all I'm saying! ;A;

 

For the record, I'm not saying I think I'm right about my interpretation of Solas' plan, there are just different ways of looking at it and I came away with more-or-less the... whatever my view is.

 

I just read around the forums more than I post and it seems everyone is convinced his plan obviously involves the deliberate destruction of both the modern world and all races in it, and that all the modern elves who've flocked to Fen'Harel's side (that we see at the Trespasser ending slide) are just mindless pawns to him that he's lied and manipulated into helping him, by promising they'll have a place in the new world he'll create, but he obviously fully intends to discard them and let them burn with the current world once he's done with them. (Either that or that they're all suicidal end-of-the-world fanatics that know they won't have a place in the new world he's planning on rebuilding, but they're helping him destroy the current world anyway knowing they'll burn with it because they want to spite humans.)

 

And I'm just sitting here like, "... Huh?" I know Solas is can be pretty very ruthless in accomplishing his goals, but I don't see anything in the game that points to him being obviously, completely, indisputably that heartless.   :wacko:

Personally, it's what I want to be true. The alternative is that elven PCs would be forbidden from doing something that immensely benefits their entire race, even at a tremendously high cost; if it just kills everyone, the plot necessity to oppose Solas feels less forced.



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Personally, it's what I want to be true. The alternative is that elven PCs would be forbidden from doing something that immensely benefits their entire race, even at a tremendously high cost; if it just kills everyone, the plot necessity to oppose Solas feels less forced.

 

Um.... because fighting for people of modern Thedas to survive is not good enough reason for elven Inkys to at least try and prevent the plans that likely involves the possible destruction of all/most modern races :huh:?

 

Solas even mentions that, when elf Inky asks if they can help him: "Would you sacrifice every friend you've made?"

 

Plus, he states that whatever plan is there to tremendously benefit elves (whatever that actually means), HE will be the one who will execute it and pay the price for it. Whatever his plans are, he doesn't want anyone else (especially those he cares about) to pay the price he will - he stated so to elven Inky and he said so to Cole in the main game (after he wipes his memory).



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*feels tension*

How about a tiny art break?

 

Lavellan cuddling with Fen'Harel

 

Young Solas decked in blue

 

ohey, top of the page

Have a Solas being awkward at a campsite in Deep Roads. Look at his little toes! :wub:

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It's so very obvious that the game was finished for a human PC when the other races were added in. :I

 

So... guys.  I've only been popping into the thread occasionally and not really reading much.  Anything interesting been happening?

 

Yeah, the whole "What's a Mythal?" thing comes to mind. *facepalm*

 

Also, HI ILLYRIA.