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That's all I'm saying! ;A;

 

For the record, I'm not saying I think I'm right about my interpretation of Solas' plan, there are just different ways of looking at it and I came away with more-or-less the... whatever my view is.

 

I just read around the forums more than I post and it seems everyone is convinced his plan obviously involves the deliberate destruction of both the modern world and all races in it, and that all the modern elves who've flocked to Fen'Harel's side (that we see at the Trespasser ending slide) are just mindless pawns to him that he's lied and manipulated into helping him, by promising they'll have a place in the new world he'll create, but he obviously fully intends to discard them and let them burn with the current world once he's done with them. (Either that or that they're all suicidal end-of-the-world fanatics that know they won't have a place in the new world he's planning on rebuilding, but they're helping him destroy the current world anyway knowing they'll burn with it because they want to spite humans.)

 

And I'm just sitting here like, "... Huh?" I know Solas is can be pretty very ruthless in accomplishing his goals, but I don't see anything in the game that points to him being obviously, completely, indisputably that heartless.   :wacko:

 

Yeah, I gotta admit, it peeves me a bit when people seem to just... make up sh!t like "Oh, Solas is Elf-Hitler and wants to kill all the humans because he's a racist dick" or "Man, this is gonna backfire so bad on him when it turns out that everyone's a mage and his precious elves will be on the same level as everyone else!" Stuff like that makes me wonder what evil lizard man apparently replaced Solas on their playthrough, because the one I dealt with seemed less concerned with cliche racial superiority, and more concerned with restoring magic and genuinely bettering the world - albeit, in a highly destructive, ends-justify-the-means sort of way.

 

I can see Solas doing a lot of reprehensible stuff because he feels it has to be done, and he'd do it with a very heavy heart, but I don't understand where this interpretation of Solas as some arrogant dick that takes joy in the destruction he'll bring to others comes from. Even low-approval Solas seems more indifferent to the destruction of the world than anything. And in general, regardless of approval, he seems the sort that'll look for peaceful and clever solutions over simple violence.

 

(Which actually makes me wonder about ancient elves and their view of death. Like, for us mortals, death is an accepted inevitability. It's still a tragedy, yeah, but an almost expected one. The ancient elves, though, they didn't have that - barring violence or disease, they could live forever. Would that make murder that much more heinous to them, since it's something that can conceivably be avoided? Would a mortal life be worth so much less to them for being so much shorter, the way we generally consider the life of a child to be worth more than the life of an old man? Or would they consider death for mortals to be worse, since they have to bear the inevitability of death, and will never have enough time to appreciate everything an immortal can? Is that why Solas prefers non-violent solutions? Sure, they require more cleverness and cunning, which obviously also holds a lot of appeal to him, but would the avoidance of death be that much more important to him, and other ancient elves? On the other hand, he expresses the idea that drawing out pain is worse than a quick, merciful death, so...)

 

Personally, it's what I want to be true. The alternative is that elven PCs would be forbidden from doing something that immensely benefits their entire race, even at a tremendously high cost; if it just kills everyone, the plot necessity to oppose Solas feels less forced.

 

I'd agree except the games have a nasty tendancy of locking you into certain options for no real reason. Like having to stay in Kirkwall for DA2 - if I had it my way, my Hawke would've gotten her money for the expedition and gotten the hell outta dodge, because Kirkwall is a mess and she ain't staying.

 

But, the game doesn't give you that option. You're forced to stay. Nevermind that openly being a mage, living in the heart of a city with one of the most hostile Circles in Thedas, with a contingent of restless Qunari soldiers sitting on the docks, and a general penchant for murder and blood magic, is an horrific idea. You have to stay because the game wouldn't exist otherwise.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened here. 


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Yeah, the whole "What's a Mythal?" thing comes to mind. *facepalm*

 

Also, HI ILLYRIA.

 

Plus Morrigan schooling us on our own faith.  And Gaspard saying that elves have no place in politics to Lavellan.

 

HI ROGUE.  *tackle hug*

 

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Solavellan fanfic

 

It's slightly NSFW, and by slightly, I mean truly.

 

Enjoy as Dumat would want.



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Mini art post.

 

Gorgeous artwork of Solas and Lavellan in an embrace in front of an eluvian.  :o

 

First Looks. (Solas and Lavellan)


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Yeah, the whole "What's a Mythal?" thing comes to mind. *facepalm*

Also, HI ILLYRIA.

Plus Morrigan schooling us on our own faith. And Gaspard saying that elves have no place in politics to Lavellan.

HI ROGUE. *tackle hug*

I've been around a bit but I'm not very active here anymore.


Oh yeah, "What's a Mythal" to the elven part of DA fandom is like
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to the HP fandom

What is more, my Lavellan had Mythal's vallaslin. She's like "What? On my face? Oh no, it's just a pretty tree-like tattoo, I'm not Dalish. Elven god? What elven god? Ahah what are you talking about? I'm not an elf."
My face seriously hurt for like 5 minutes after that epic facepalm
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Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes

Welp, I'm now that guy who has the score of Fast Five. Not the soundtrack with Ludacris and all. The score. Great writing music.
 
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confirmed, the next dragon age will actually be a fast and the furious game where all the companions are cars
 
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@regeener "What if two dragons are pulling a bank vault behind them?" -Literally something I just said to @MattRhodesArt.
 
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@PatrickWeekes @regeener @MattRhodesArt but what about Dragon Age: Fury Road? And the entire actions happens inside the aravel
 
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Someone hauls on a hand-brake, halla squeal as aravel goes into emergency spin. Yes, I can see it.

 

Recent general goofiness from DA's lead writer's twitter :lol: From what I know Mr. Weekes is in the process of writing a new non-DA related novel, but I assume some writing for DA is being done there somewhere - and now it might be written to the sound of Fast and Furious.... Which kinda makes me wonder how it would look?

Ooooh, maybe we will have dragon races? With nitro! xD

 

Also - whose bank vault the dragons are supposed to pull? Inquisitors'? Fen'Harel's?

 

Speaking of Fen'Harel and dragons - it's lightly implied that dragons may or may not have been pets to Evanuris, or at least some were. Mythal certainly has some alive on her beck and call... could this also mean that Solas could have pet dragons as well?

(I suppose Solas wouldn't keep dragons as pets, especially if it meant basically enslaving them, but perhaps Solas is a Dragon Whisperer, just like he's a Spirit Whisperer and just asks them really nicely? :D)

 

I wonder how theoretical Fen'Harel's dragon pets would look like?

 

.... ROFL, now I can imagine a goofy dragon with a personality of a dog, following Solas everywhere and waggling its tail. ("The other dragons were picking on it... so I adopted it").

 

(forgive me today's foolishness, kinda needed it) 


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Recent general goofiness from DA's lead writer's twitter :lol: From what I know Mr. Weekes is in the process of writing a new non-DA related novel, but I assume some writing for DA is being done there somewhere - and now it might be written to the sound of Fast and Furious.... Which kinda makes me wonder how it would look?

Ooooh, maybe we will have dragon races? With nitro! xD

 

Also - whose bank vault the dragons are supposed to pull? Inquisitors'? Fen'Harel's?

 

Speaking of Fen'Harel and dragons - it's lightly implied that dragons may or may not have been pets to Evanuris, or at least some were. Mythal certainly has some alive on her beck and call... could this also mean that Solas could have pet dragons as well?

(I suppose Solas wouldn't keep dragons as pets, especially if it meant basically enslaving them, but perhaps Solas is a Dragon Whisperer, just like he's a Spirit Whisperer and just asks them really nicely? :D)

 

I wonder how theoretical Fen'Harel's dragon pets would look like?

 

.... ROFL, now I can imagine a goofy dragon with a personality of a dog, following Solas everywhere and waggling its tail. ("The other dragons were picking on it... so I adopted it").

 

(forgive me today's foolishness, kinda needed it) 

 

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(except with a dog's personality instead of a cat's)

I'm so excited..I'm going to be adopting my friend's cat soon and she really looks like Toothless. She's soooo sweet! Her name's Pixie.


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Yeah, I gotta admit, it peeves me a bit when people seem to just... make up sh!t like "Oh, Solas is Elf-Hitler and wants to kill all the humans because he's a racist dick" or "Man, this is gonna backfire so bad on him when it turns out that everyone's a mage and his precious elves will be on the same level as everyone else!" Stuff like that makes me wonder what evil lizard man apparently replaced Solas on their playthrough, because the one I dealt with seemed less concerned with cliche racial superiority, and more concerned with restoring magic and genuinely bettering the world - albeit, in a highly destructive, ends-justify-the-means sort of way.

 

I can see Solas doing a lot of reprehensible stuff because he feels it has to be done, and he'd do it with a very heavy heart, but I don't understand where this interpretation of Solas as some arrogant dick that takes joy in the destruction he'll bring to others comes from. Even low-approval Solas seems more indifferent to the destruction of the world than anything. And in general, regardless of approval, he seems the sort that'll look for peaceful and clever solutions over simple violence.

 

(Which actually makes me wonder about ancient elves and their view of death. Like, for us mortals, death is an accepted inevitability. It's still a tragedy, yeah, but an almost expected one. The ancient elves, though, they didn't have that - barring violence or disease, they could live forever. Would that make murder that much more heinous to them, since it's something that can conceivably be avoided? Would a mortal life be worth so much less to them for being so much shorter, the way we generally consider the life of a child to be worth more than the life of an old man? Or would they consider death for mortals to be worse, since they have to bear the inevitability of death, and will never have enough time to appreciate everything an immortal can? Is that why Solas prefers non-violent solutions? Sure, they require more cleverness and cunning, which obviously also holds a lot of appeal to him, but would the avoidance of death be that much more important to him, and other ancient elves? On the other hand, he expresses the idea that drawing out pain is worse than a quick, merciful death, so...)

 

 

I'd agree except the games have a nasty tendancy of locking you into certain options for no real reason. Like having to stay in Kirkwall for DA2 - if I had it my way, my Hawke would've gotten her money for the expedition and gotten the hell outta dodge, because Kirkwall is a mess and she ain't staying.

 

But, the game doesn't give you that option. You're forced to stay. Nevermind that openly being a mage, living in the heart of a city with one of the most hostile Circles in Thedas, with a contingent of restless Qunari soldiers sitting on the docks, and a general penchant for murder and blood magic, is an horrific idea. You have to stay because the game wouldn't exist otherwise.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened here. 

 

 

Wait... do some people think humans have the capability to become just as magey as elves once the veil comes down?

 

Do you think Solas is not aware of the effect it will have on humans?



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Plus Morrigan schooling us on our own faith.  And Gaspard saying that elves have no place in politics to Lavellan.

 

HI ROGUE.  *tackle hug*

 

I've been around a bit but I'm not very active here anymore.

 

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I've been the same!... ish. I'm becoming more active again, though. SO I'm pretty sure it's time for DA4 so we all have something new and exciting to discuss.

 

And hah, yeah. Morrigan, I love you. But plz. Shhh. Just ssshhhh. If I could have an interrupt for Lavellan when anyone starts trying to school her on her own culture that's just:

 

Spoiler

 

that'd be great.

 

Oh yeah, "What's a Mythal" to the elven part of DA fandom is like

Spoiler

to the HP fandom

What is more, my Lavellan had Mythal's vallaslin. She's like "What? On my face? Oh no, it's just a pretty tree-like tattoo, I'm not Dalish. Elven god? What elven god? Ahah what are you talking about? I'm not an elf."
My face seriously hurt for like 5 minutes after that epic facepalm

 

I'm out of likes, damn it. Yeah I was so confused with Gambon's delivery of that line, but suppose it was the direction more than anything. But geez movie!Dumbledore, cool your ****. Book!Dumbledore knows how it's done.

 

Maybe we should assume that any Lavellan who has Mythal's vallaslin just went to a shitty tattoo parlour, spur of the moment, and picked some random design off the wall. ;D


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Wait... do some people think humans have the capability to become just as magey as elves once the veil comes down?

 

Do you think Solas is not aware of the effect it will have on humans?

 

Humans do have the capability to become magey, yes - after all, mages are implied to have the conscious connection to the Fade that Solas' Veil has blocked. And mages appear to be the closest to "his people" - he reveals that after he almost outs himself when we talk to him after return from Halamshiral (and do note that he also says "the Veil has blocked "most people's connection to the Fade" and NOT "it blocked elves from the Fade"). 

 

And yes, a lot of mages are humans. Heck, the last/biggest magickal imperium of Thedas is entirely ruled by human mages.



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Skyhold Mage Kitties (of course Solas is a hairless) :-P

 

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Humans do have the capability to become magey, yes - after all, mages are implied to have the conscious connection to the Fade that Solas' Veil has blocked. And mages appear to be the closest to "his people" - he reveals that after he almost outs himself when we talk to him after return from Halamshiral (and do note that he also says "the Veil has blocked "most people's connection to the Fade" and NOT "it blocked elves from the Fade"). 

 

And yes, a lot of mages are humans. Heck, the last/biggest magickal imperium of Thedas is entirely ruled by human mages.

 

I think she's referring to the idea that was pretty heavily implied in Masked Empire that a Veiless world would be outright lethal to humans (While beneficial and and empowering for elves.) Given that Morrigan confirms she can't spend a lot of time in the Crossroads without "suffering ill effects," I'm guessing that even being a mage doesn't spare humans from this.


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I think she's referring to the idea that was pretty heavily implied in Masked Empire that a Veiless world would be outright lethal to humans (While beneficial and and empowering for elves.) Given that Morrigan confirms she can't spend a lot of time in the Crossroads without "suffering ill effects," I'm guessing that even being a mage doesn't spare humans from this.

 

Well, to be fair, it might as well be lethal to modern elves in large doses as well. Crossroads is, after all, a place 'in between', and while that in between state might be beneficial for elves, returning of the Fade in full force may be too much to them, just like it might be too much for mages, despite their connection to the Fade.

 

Solas, after all, reveals in the Fade sequence that he expected for Inquisitor of any race to never wake up from their short trip to the Fade after acquiring an Anchor. For him, all of them are mortals and hence shouldn't have survived that.



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Well, to be fair, it might as well be lethal to modern elves in large doses as well. Crossroads is, after all, a place 'in between', and while that in between state might be beneficial for elves, returning of the Fade in full force may be too much to them, just like it might be too much for mages, despite their connection to the Fade.

 

Solas, after all, reveals in the Fade sequence that he expected for Inquisitor of any race to never wake up from their short trip to the Fade after acquiring an Anchor. For him, all of them are mortals and hence shouldn't have survived that.

 

Maybe? It's also possible Solas was simply underestimating modern elves. Or that the simple act of having the Anchor/passing through the Veil is what should've killed them, not the Fade itself. Or that the Fade has dangers unrelated to it's innate magical effects (You were chased down by demon spiders before narrowly escaping.) Or, as has been pointed out before, that the lines were written for human Inquisitors and then left unchanged by accident. 

 

I guess I don't see much evidence that would point to elves overloading on Fade juice if the Veil fell, or that mages would have the same regardless, elf or no. Morrigan doesn't go into what ill effects she's experiencing, but given that she was talking about the Crossroads and not the Fade proper, I don't think they were different from what Celene and Michel experienced - otherwise, she should've felt rejuvenated like Briala and Felassan. And Briala does experience it, despite not being a mage. Not to mention the Crossroads is only different for elven Inquisitors, not elven Inquisitors and mage Inquisitors. So it seems elf-iness is the only important factor, and mage-yness is pretty irrelevant. 

 

Makes you wonder how humans got to be mages, since they seem inherently less... Fade-y than elves. Maybe they started with drawing on a more earth-bound source like blood magic, establishing a connection to the Fade that way? Or maybe human mages are all elf-blooded to some degree? Hmm...

 

Really though, we still just don't know enough to say anything concrete.


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Just saw that BioFan is doing an interview with Patrick Weekes and taking questions. Though I'm sure all future stuff will go under SPOILERS since they can't talk about anything (yet).

 

 

But that's the announcement just posted to Twitter, in case anyone is interested.

 

 

Is anyone reading Magekiller? I haven't yet, but curious how Tevinter is going for everyone and have the lore analysts discovered anything of note yet?


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If Solas is the big bad wolf in DA4 do you think he'll have the Inquisitor's arm in a jar somewhere?


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And Gaspard saying that elves have no place in politics to Lavellan.

 

To be fair, that's sort of how Gaspard rolls. He plays the Game by acting totally blunt and tactless, then loudly claiming that he has "no patience for politics" or some other codswallop.

 

Every time Gaspard says that, I wish there was an option to

  1. Hand the inquisitor a copy of Masked Empire through the screen
  2. Have the inquisitor gesture repeatedly at the Masked Empire
  3. While rolling their eyes clear into the back of their head

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*snip*

 

Or maybe human mages are all elf-blooded to some degree? Hmm...

 

Really though, we still just don't know enough to say anything concrete.

 

 

I have been thinking along the same lines as you: that human mages may all have some degree of elf blood in them. But yeah, it is purely speculation.That leaves Qunari mages to explain, though. But if they are actually magically created dragon-humanoid hybrids, then the dragon blood would probably explain their magical abilities, or perhaps they are actually magically created dragon-elf hybrids in which case the elf blood explains it. All speculation, of course.

 

Is anyone reading Magekiller? I haven't yet, but curious how Tevinter is going for everyone and have the lore analysts discovered anything of note yet?

 

I am, but have not read anything noteworthy yet, as far as I know. The first issue was really short; just a teaser, really. Second issue was more like a typical comic book length. We'll see what this month's issue brings.
 
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Just saw that BioFan is doing an interview with Patrick Weekes and taking questions. Though I'm sure all future stuff will go under SPOILERS since they can't talk about anything (yet).

 

 

But that's the announcement just posted to Twitter, in case anyone is interested.

 

 

Is anyone reading Magekiller? I haven't yet, but curious how Tevinter is going for everyone and have the lore analysts discovered anything of note yet?

 

 

Oh hey was about to come post it in here, glad the news got out! :)

 

I strongly doubt you'll recieve an answer relating to anything past Trespasser, but there's plenty within DAI that we don't know. 


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So in the codex on the Ascension of Ghilan'nain, we can read the following:

 

On the second day she drowned the giants of the sea, except those in deep waters, for they were too well-wrought, and Pride stopped her hand.

 

Does that mean Solas saved the deep-sea giants? What do you suppose they were/are? And why would Solas save them if indeed this Pride is him and not another demon or just Ghilan'nain's own innate pride - though if that's what it is, it probably doesn't make sense for it to be capitalized.

 

I like to imagine they are whales. I can see Solas wanting to keep whales alive since they are highly intelligent and some species have demonstrated emotional attachments including apparently mourning their dead. :3

 

(I was looking at the codex to see if the Qunari might have been one of Ghilan'nain's creations... but I can't draw that conclusion based on the text of this codex.)



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I like to imagine they are whales. I can see Solas wanting to keep whales alive since they are highly intelligent and some species have demonstrated emotional attachments including apparently mourning their dead.

 

*Gasp* Of course! Outcast god, moral ambiguity, slapping magical marks on random mortals, and now whales! Whales! Solas is the Outsider! He was the Outsider all along!

 

(This is a Dishonored reference for those of you who are confused.)



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Art post.

 

"Do not be afraid, da'vhenan." By kallielef. <3

Solas with his daughter. And spiders.

 

Beautiful portraits of Lavellan and Solas by kallielef. <3

 

Gorgeous art nouveau style romance cards of Solas and Lavellan.

 

Solavellan artwork inspired by 'Wolves Without Teeth' by Of Monsters And Men.

 

Halamshiral Solas.  :wub:

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Nightmare. Kidquisitor lost all his hair because of magic. :P

 

Another day in the adventures of One Punch Egg. :P

 

Some Draw Your OC artworks.

 

Lovely sketch of Solas.

 

"Ir abelas, vhenan."


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Thank you, Sun! This batch contains especially gorgeous art :D

 

I didn't get the Kidquisitor one though? :huh:

 

Have a Solas being all mentor-y to Cinnamon Bun

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Thank you, Sun! This batch contains especially gorgeous art :D

 

I didn't get the Kidquisitor one though? :huh:

 

For the Kidquisitor one, it's basically Solas having a nightmare where Kidquisitor lost all his hair because of the Mark. :P

(The last panel shows Solas waking up and Kidquisitor next to him with his hair intact.)



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So in the codex on the Ascension of Ghilan'nain, we can read the following:

 

On the second day she drowned the giants of the sea, except those in deep waters, for they were too well-wrought, and Pride stopped her hand.

 

Does that mean Solas saved the deep-sea giants? What do you suppose they were/are? And why would Solas save them if indeed this Pride is him and not another demon or just Ghilan'nain's own innate pride - though if that's what it is, it probably doesn't make sense for it to be capitalized.

 

I like to imagine they are whales. I can see Solas wanting to keep whales alive since they are highly intelligent and some species have demonstrated emotional attachments including apparently mourning their dead. :3

 

(I was looking at the codex to see if the Qunari might have been one of Ghilan'nain's creations... but I can't draw that conclusion based on the text of this codex.)

 

I used to think they were Cetus but now I think they're giants. They like water and come from the north so it's possible (source).

 

Pride could mean the pride spirit, and Solas could have been a part of that spirit as a whole. Like the archivist at the library in Trespasser would 'think with itself' (meaning the other archivist spirits).


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