Finally have Chapter 24 of IDLA finished, and posted. The next chapter will have the Cara meeting Hawke, and maybe others from the Kirkwall gang. I haven't yet decided if I will bring anyone with her. Link is to AO3. Still SFW on both sites. Maybe in the next few chapters our couple will advance their relationship.
I would do it myself except it is beyond my capabilities. I don't know how to mod and all that.
...I mean I could learn, but making a dread-lock hair mesh sounds unfathomably complicated and has waayyy more polygons than the standard swooshy-straight hair styles we usually have. (hmmm this is probably why the game designers elected not to use concept art Solas hair)
This breaking vow rests so near my tongue
Anchor on the cloud
Shade upon the sun
You took my word for it
The vanishing of doubt will unfold my empty space
Your time froze over
I must lead the way for this conclusion
I let you inherit these words I sing to you
See how death will bestow seclusion
The one you are looking for is hidden from view
In my absence now
When time will pass
In nothingness abide
See the evening rise
And take my word for it
Focuses beyond your vision
I must lead the way to this conclusion
I let you in hell with these words I say to you
See how death will bestow seclusion
The one you are looking for is hidden from you
Do you remember when it didn't used to be so dark
And everything was possible still?
mmh.. I have a little silly question: is anyone a bit bothered by the different ways Elvhen is pronounced during the 3 games?
Like, they changed the pronunciation for DAI or something.. In DAO for instance there are some Elvhen songs, like Leliana's song, in which the pronunciation is different than later on.. for instance the song says "vhenan him dor'felas" but vhenan is pronounced like Veenan.. Or it says "Emma ir abElas" (accent on the E) but in DAI Solas always says "ir abelAs" (accent on the A).. and then we have Abelas, whose name has the accent on the first A..(though maybe I can understand it in this case cause it's a noun and not a verb, so ok.).
And then we have DA2 where Merril pronounces the Dread Wolf's name as something like.. fAn hArel When Solas himself says fen'harEl, and since it's his name I suppose he knows best Plus there is member of Merril's clan who is named Fenarel, which sounds most similar to Solas' pronunciation.. but who in their right head would name their son almost like the Dread Wolf? eee, I hate that guy! He's just a name-thief wannabee! I am almost happy I slaughtered the clan
Anyway.. I suppose since Solas is the real ancient Elvhen, his pronunciation is the correct one, and the other ones are all wrong because they don't know..like Leliana (understandable since she's human).. but even the Dalish don't know how to pronounce Elvhen properly..?
So this is..what? Just one more thing the Dalish got wrong? (cit.).
Seems so.. Dunno why but it bothers me D:
If I've learned one thing from Inquisition, it is that when in doubt assume the Dalish are wrong.
This bothers me too. The Fen'Harel thing is really a problem. I didn't really remember how Merrill said it, so I was reading it in my head as something like Fen-Hair-Elle. When Solas said it in JoH I thought to myself, "Are you sure you're saying that right, Gareth? Well, I guess that's how we all have to say it now. Thanks." The way he says it does indeed sound much like Fenarel from DA2. I can only assume the similarity was not intended.
I recently played through the Dalish origin story again. I cringed at the way the Origins voice actors pronounced Arlathan as Are-lath-en. We can talk about dialects as an explanation (more like an excuse for the inconsistency), but I highly doubt BioWare thought to include elven dialects way back in Origins. I wonder how much coaching the voice actors get on pronunciation. Not everyone knows how to read accent marks. Hopefully the pronunciation will become more consistent from this point on.
You exactly wrote what my answer would have been as well.
It doesn't even need different countries around the world to have different pronunciation. Here in Switzerland (fairly small country) there is a different dialect for nearly every canton and it's all called "Swiss German".
Grützi! A few years ago I took a class in Swiss German being offered by a local Swiss club. My great-grandparents were from Canton Uri, and I wanted to get "in touch with my roots." Since there is no standard written form of the language, the club manufactured their own textbook mostly based on the dialect in Canton Schwyz. The class was taught by a handful of immigrants, each from a different canton. Fun times. My husband and I latched onto a few words and phrases and inject them into conversations for fun, but I'm never going to speak Swiss German conversationally with my family because my dad never bothered to learn more than a few words from my grandma. My grandma's ancestral tongue--a victim of the American melting pot. Makes me feel like an ignorant city elf. I probably remember more elven than I do Schwiizerdütsch.
Grützi! A few years ago I took a class in Swiss German being offered by a local Swiss club. My great-grandparents were from Canton Uri, and I wanted to get "in touch with my roots." Since there is no standard written form of the language, the club manufactured their own textbook mostly based on the dialect in Canton Schwyz. The class was taught by a handful of immigrants, each from a different canton. Fun times. My husband and I latched onto a few words and phrases and inject them into conversations for fun, but I'm never going to speak Swiss German conversationally with my family because my dad never bothered to learn more than a few words from my grandma. My grandma's ancestral tongue--a victim of the American melting pot. Makes me feel like an ignorant city elf. I probably remember more elven than I do Schwiizerdütsch.
I know that feel: my husband's grandparents never taught their kids Frisian (Northen Holland).
He knows more Spanish than his homeland language .
Speaking of Swiss, I knew a girl who could understand what her mum would say to her in Swiss but couldn't translate it. Interesting.
It is so weird that some things I have know for years suddenly get a whole new meaning just because of Solavellan. Yesterday I listened to a song that I haven't listened to in quite some time but always liked - but suddenly this song is about Solavellan. You probably don't know it, since it's a german song: 2 Falken (= Falcons) by Faun.
Translated lyrics are under the spoiler tag; especially the part about the veil and sleeping made me think of DAI and now I can't unhear it.
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I dug my love a green grave
I lowered her down into the ferns
2 Falcons flew high above
One struck the other hard
and red drops fell
and red drops fell
Until the veil falls
Until the silence breaks
Stay with me, please don't wake me
Until the winter leaves
Until the day rises
Stay with me, please don't wake me
I met my love the coming night
In the Forest, among the animals,
she has woken up
2 Falcons led us while we were sleeping
and took us further down
We lie together at the end of the night
The ghosts that we called for were us
We stand on the edge and look down
The depths hold us back no longer
I can see myself doing that. Black Lagoon is one of my all time favorite anime and dubbed Revy is phenomenal. And Eda. And Balalaika. I love them all
Droso!
*tackle hug*
I'm up to episode 4 now and it's fantastic. I was wary of watching it in English even after hearing it was a good dub because I haven't enjoyed other recommend dubs (like FMA and Ouran). But this really is worth watching.
By the way - I'm still writing the full version of Alistair's poem. You did say you'd watch an episode of FMAB for each stanza...
If I've learned one thing from Inquisition, it is that when in doubt assume the Dalish are wrong.
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I cringed at the way the Origins voice actors pronounced Arlathan as Are-lath-en. We can talk about dialects as an explanation (more like an excuse for the inconsistency), but I highly doubt BioWare thought to include elven dialects way back in Origins. I wonder how much coaching the voice actors get on pronunciation. Not everyone knows how to read accent marks. Hopefully the pronunciation will become more consistent from this point on.
I too think that BioWare just didn't care that much about how the voice actors pronounce the elven words. The dialects are of course a nice excuse but I guess every voice actor had to figure out him/herself how he/she would read the elven language.
Maybe BioWare wasn't even aware of this problem as when they wrote it as a team they talked about it and so the whole team had exchanged the ideas of pronounciation and got a similar "spoken elven language" like this. For them the pronounciation was probably "clear".
Well somewhat like an "insider job" if you want. And all the ones that weren't there struggle now and can only guess.
Grützi! A few years ago I took a class in Swiss German being offered by a local Swiss club. My great-grandparents were from Canton Uri, and I wanted to get "in touch with my roots." Since there is no standard written form of the language, the club manufactured their own textbook mostly based on the dialect in Canton Schwyz. The class was taught by a handful of immigrants, each from a different canton. Fun times. My husband and I latched onto a few words and phrases and inject them into conversations for fun, but I'm never going to speak Swiss German conversationally with my family because my dad never bothered to learn more than a few words from my grandma. My grandma's ancestral tongue--a victim of the American melting pot. Makes me feel like an ignorant city elf. I probably remember more elven than I do Schwiizerdütsch.
Ah "urner dialect", a very special one I think it is very difficult to learn a language only through a class. And as there are not many possibilities to listen to swiss german you get lost. Learning the german "german" is easyer as there exist movies and radio shows that you can watch and listen to.
And swiss german is of course very tough because of those many dialects as well. (Hehe if you like I do a short child-book reading for you in "basler dialect" it's not "unrner dialect" but you could listen to swiss german )
I know that feel: my husband's grandparents never taught their kids Frisian (Northen Holland).
He knows more Spanish than his homeland language .
Speaking of Swiss, I knew a girl who could understand what her mum would say to her in Swiss but couldn't translate it. Interesting.
Well I asume parents want the best for their kids so I asume (living in an english speaking country) they only spoke english to learn it themselves and their children and not cause confusion with an other language. I don't know if teaching several languages to children was common in that time.
Probably they were strugling to addapt themselfes and so decided to avoid "falling back" into their old language.
Avatar Zuko! Yessssss. I'd never heard of that concept before but I love it. Do you have a link to any good ones?
I'm fond of Inquisitor Merrill, myself. I may not be an Anders fan but I've seen Inquisitor Anders floating around tumblr and I love it. Varric's expression when they meet is just 'why is it always blondie?'
Dorian I can really see working because he's already heavily involved with the Venatori, so it makes sense that he may have attempted to come to the Conclave to warn the Divine about what he'd learnt and just ended up in the wrong place, wrong time (assuming you're also going with Herald!Dorian along with him being the Inquisitor).
Here you go, Avatar Zuko AU fic recs
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sadly, most of them are not updated anymore but not abandoned officially. There's always hope, I guess? I think there were more but that's all I managed to find with my google-fu right now
one of the best and still (if not frequently) updated. 36 parts 169k words and it's not even halfway through Book 2. It's going to be huge if author commits to it. Lots of nice worldbuilding bits, Airbenders in hiding and Aang is dead but also not dead at the same time.
Author put hiatus on it due to RL problems but it's very very good, very long (139,5K) and is one of my favourites. 2 Avatars? I don't remember much detail anymore, unfortunately. Probably need to reread it again.
Also a maxi and a favourite. 2 Avatars AU. Author doesn't seem to be active anymore at ff.net so I don't know anything about this story's chances at ever being finished
It's not explicitly stated yet but they story seems to go into the Avatar Zuko route. Only for some reason he starts with Air instead of Fire. The same author troubles as their other story.
(As to the "immortality" bit, I imagine immortal elves consider killing mortals the way we consider killing hamsters. If you value life, you'll think of it as wrong, but since rodents live SUCH short and simple lives compared to complex, long-lived humans, it doesn't seem as bad as killing a fellow human. Torture and inflicting intentional suffering would be seen as awful because what living being does that to another? But in terms of the severity of the death itself, it's like, "Well, you were gonna die in two years anyway..." which is small beans compared to the 80+ year lifespan of a fellow human.)
*snip*
Yeah, something similar happened to me but different. I'll admit I played the game first, but had Celene killed because I couldn't figure out how to reconcile her with Briala (there was no guide out at the time), but I felt extremely bad about it. Then I heard about what happened in The Masked Empire, and I felt retroactively angry that I felt bad about killing her, and mad that my character couldn't learn about it in the game so she wouldn't feel bad.
*snip*
I don't know. There are a few things keeping me from feeling confident in their relationship. Firstly, was a really toxic, unhealthy relationship with serious power imbalances to begin with, so the fact that Briala chooses to step back into the sado-masochism tango doesn't make it less of a tango... Secondly, Celene is still the one with all the power, and she hasn't hesitated to use it before. She promised to help the elves before, then turned on them the second nobles started whispering, and massacred thousands just to maintain her image. What's to stop her from turning on Briala or the elves again?
YES! That's what I always try to explain to people who refuse to acknowledge the problem with having a very long-lived species living alongside humans.
We literally can't understand what it is like to live for, for example, 5000 years. Our brains are not capable of really rationalising that experience and how it affects the way someone experiences life. We can imagine, of course. There's so much written about thousands of imaginary beings that live that much longer than we but they way authors deal with the problem can be vastly different. From our standpoint, we tend to think that the longer the lifespan is, the more meaningful the existence. And it doesn't really matter how much someone claims that all life is sacred and meaningful and all that stuff, if there's a choice between saving a human or a hamster, even a sentient one, absolute most would still save a human. Everyone just gets indignant because the ones with the lesser lifespan are us.
I think Marvel portrays that kind of thinking perfectly. They almost never extrapolate on the problem of Human-Aesir relationships beside "I'll get you an Apple" and "Aesir are jerks how dare they treat us like that!" But imagine the reverse situation? In MCU Aesir live about 5000 years (it's a very off-handed remark by Loki but it's all we have) and average human lifespan is, let's say, 80 years. 5000:80=62.5. 80:62.5=1.28. Just imagine it: somewhere nearby there' a species that look mostly like us, that are sentient but they live and die in span of 1 year 3 months and are so weak, they can't lift your average bag of groceries. In terms of lifespan it's worse than a dog or a cat. It's even less than a freaking hamster! I really don't think those species would be treated like anything even remotely close to equality at any level :/
Yeah, I've got a lot of feels regarding that topic
Ahaha I'm a coward so I went to Winter Palace with a guide on hand. I really really hate it. I spent like 2 hours reading the guide and strategising. WP was the most stressful mission of all for me. Even if it was interesting, the time limits and not being able to open all the doors really sucked most of the enjoyment right out of it. I was actually exhausted after finishing WP
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Somebody said before that "they're kinds of on more equal footing now" I mean, what? What equal footing can be between a human empress and an elf handmaiden, whatever titles may have been given to her by said empress? Even disregarding Celene's past atrocities (and they are very hard to disregard), power imbalance is still vast. And I, personally, am really uncomfortable about relationship with power imbalances.
Our society should really stop idealising toxic relationship just because "they are in LOVE!". Sometimes "Love" is not enough.
How do you guys go about choosing a name for an elven character?
Personally, I think the rules to how the names are created are so vague that I don't feel confident enough to come up with one and feel like it's legitimate.
Comes the end of the day, I prefer to pick one from Tolkien's elves.
I have a really weird process of choosing names for my characters in any game. Usually I have a vague half-formed idea how it supposed to sound like but nothing concrete, usually a syllable or two, then I twist this way and that until it looks just right and viola!
It was a bit different with my Lavellan. Her name's A'Zaelyth or Zae. When I was thinking of her name, I wanted to keep the Zae part from my last elf in an MMO called Zaerath. I like having z, x, th, ae, r, y or ' in my characters' names, and it was supposed to sound "elfy" At first, I was pretty bummed because Solas, Sera, Briala - all not very "elfy"-sounding names but then I learned about the Evanuris and Zae's name fit right in
I... am a little tired, so I did indeed read it as "Slime" at first
me too, I'm sorry
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Let's marvel at High Approval Solas vs. Low Approval Solas in Trespasser once again
YES! That's what I always try to explain to people who refuse to acknowledge the problem with having a very long-lived species living alongside humans.
We literally can't understand what it is like to live for, for example, 5000 years. Our brains are not capable of really rationalising that experience and how it affects the way someone experiences life. We can imagine, of course. There's so much written about thousands of imaginary beings that live that much longer than we but they way authors deal with the problem can be vastly different. From our standpoint, we tend to think that the longer the lifespan is, the more meaningful the existence. And it doesn't really matter how much someone claims that all life is sacred and meaningful and all that stuff, if there's a choice between saving a human or a hamster, even a sentient one, absolute most would still save a human. Everyone just gets indignant because the ones with the lesser lifespan are us.
I think Marvel portrays that kind of thinking perfectly. They almost never extrapolate on the problem of Human-Aesir relationships beside "I'll get you an Apple" and "Aesir are jerks how dare they treat us like that!" But imagine the reverse situation? In MCU Aesir live about 5000 years (it's a very off-handed remark by Loki but it's all we have) and average human lifespan is, let's say, 80 years. 5000:80=62.5. 80:62.5=1.28. Just imagine it: somewhere nearby there' a species that look mostly like us, that are sentient but they live and die in span of 1 year 3 months and are so weak, they can't lift your average bag of groceries. In terms of lifespan it's worse than a dog or a cat. It's even less than a freaking hamster! I really don't think those species would be treated like anything even remotely close to equality at any level :/
Yeah, I've got a lot of feels regarding that topic
Hmm. I get what you're saying, but I think you're not quite on the mark as far as what makes us value life, and humans above most other creatures - it's not length of lifespan. If it were, we'd see humans regularly putting the lives of, say, tortoises and jellyfish above other people, because, hey, they'll probably outlive you.
I think a more comparable analogy (Although still an imperfect one) is for dogs. Like, everyone knows they'll outlive their dog. But it doesn't stop them from getting attached - and some people get really attached,to the point where they risk their lives for their dog, to the point where they'll value that dog over the life of another human being, despite not even being sentient. It doesn't matter that they'll likely die before us. It doesn't matter that, logically, they should be less important than any human on earth. People get attached, and that attachment skyrockets the "value" of the creature's life.
And mortal humans would be sentient. They'd have thoughts and opinions, they'd hold conversations, they'd have a depth of emotion and an ability to communicate that emotion. I don't think a culture of immortals would consider mortal life to be more valuable than theirs, but I don't think just dismissing as unimportant entirely to them is correct either. Emotional attachment's one hell of a thing, and in my opinion, it's a far more important factor than simple length of lifespan.