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Droso!

 

*tackle hug*

 

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I'm up to episode 4 now and it's fantastic.  I was wary of watching it in English even after hearing it was a good dub because I haven't enjoyed other recommend dubs (like FMA and Ouran).  But this really is worth watching.

 

<3 <3 <3

 

 

By the way - I'm still writing the full version of Alistair's poem.  You did say you'd watch an episode of FMAB for each stanza...

 

I did, didn't I :lol: I saw 2 episodes back then, then dropped the ball, not for lack of awesomeness of the anime. 

 

So how many stanzas have you written? I'll keep you updated on my progress :D


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Hmm. I get what you're saying, but I think you're not quite on the mark as far as what makes us value life, and humans above most other creatures - it's not length of lifespan. If it were, we'd see humans regularly putting the lives of, say, tortoises and jellyfish above other people, because, hey, they'll probably outlive you. 

 

I think a more comparable analogy (Although still an imperfect one) is for dogs. Like, everyone knows they'll outlive their dog. But it doesn't stop them from getting attached - and some people get really attached,to the point where they risk their lives for their dog, to the point where they'll value that dog over the life of another human being, despite not even being sentient. It doesn't matter that they'll likely die before us. It doesn't matter that, logically, they should be less important than any human on earth. People get attached, and that attachment skyrockets the "value" of the creature's life.

 

And mortal humans would be sentient. They'd have thoughts and opinions, they'd hold conversations, they'd have a depth of emotion and an ability to communicate that emotion. I don't think a culture of immortals would consider mortal life to be more valuable than theirs, but I don't think just dismissing as unimportant entirely to them is correct either. Emotional attachment's one hell of a thing, and in my opinion, it's a far more important factor than simple length of lifespan.

 

Well, yeah, sentience first and foremost, of course. But the problem is, there IS no comparable example out there because, as far as most people concerned, we're the only sentient beings on our planet. So it's kind of hard. That's why I put "a species that look mostly like us, that are sentient but they live and die in span of 1 year 3 months" there. It makes me absently horrified if I imagine such species existing tbh. It'll also put some questions on the difference in mental capacity and such. But it can go in too many ways so I won't go there.

 

At the same time, if dogs or cats lived for a year or less, I don't think such strong attachments would've been usual.

 

Of course, what I've written wasn't the entirety of my opinion. I may be a cynical person but, of course, I value life for more reasons than mere lifespan so I more or less agree with most of what you've said. I just see the most accepted opinions on things and often want to show the other side because nothing is ever black-and-white. I can debate with myself a really long time but I wanted to showcase that particular side of the argument, that's all :)


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Well, yeah, sentience first and foremost, of course. But the problem is, there IS no comparable example out there because, as far as most people concerned, we're the only sentient beings on our planet. So it's kind of hard. That's why I put "a species that look mostly like us, that are sentient but they live and die in span of 1 year 3 months" there. It makes me absently horrified if I imagine such species existing tbh. It'll also put so questions on the difference in mental capacity and such. But it can go in too many ways so I won't go there.

At the same time, if dogs or cats lived for a year or less, I don't think such strong attachments would've been usual.

Of course, what I've written wasn't the entirety of my opinion. I may be a cynical person but, of course, I value life for more reasons than mere lifespan so I more or less agree with most of what you've said. I just see the most accepted opinions on things and often want to show the other side because nothing is ever black-and-white. I can debate with myself a really long time but I wanted to showcase that particular side of the argument, that's all :)


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Mini art post.

 

'If you had a bad day remember, Solas will ALWAYS love you!' (So cute! <3 Dammit, Solas!)

 

Some lovely artworks of Lavellan and Pride based on some scenes from Looking Glass.

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Another Looking Glass fanart: Pride (Young Solas) and Uthvir.

 

 

EDIT: Adding these. :P

 

A lovely sketch of Solas.

 

Lovely progress shot sketch of Solas.

 

Emoji meme: Solas inspired by the latest chapter of Looking Glass:blush:


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*snip*

 

 

I don't know if this is proper but I'm kinda overwhelmed by how much attention my sketch is getting so I wanted to say thank you for liking it enough to share it!  Gives me the warm fuzzies.  I did not expect that little Solas WIP to get this much attention. So, thank you I'm honored   :wub:


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I don't know if this is proper but I'm kinda overwhelmed by how much attention my sketch is getting so I wanted to say thank you for liking it enough to share it!  Gives me the warm fuzzies.  I did not expect that little Solas WIP to get this much attention. So, thank you I'm honored   :wub:

 

Ah! No problem! :D It's a very lovely sketch! <3



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At the same time, if dogs or cats lived for a year or less, I don't think such strong attachments would've been usual.

 

 

Maybe, but that's assuming the... rate of attachment (?) scales up with length of lifespan, and as far as DA is concerned, I'm not sure it does. Solas falls for Lavellan in a matter of months, after all. I know our perception of time speeds up as we get older - two minutes for an old lady is two months for an infant and all that - but that doesn't necessarily effect how quickly one develops attachments. It'd also probably depend on the age of the immortal in question, especially if they physically mature at the same rate - two eighteen-year-olds at he same level of maturation could conceivably be friends, never mind if one of them's immortal. 

 

 
Of course, what I've written wasn't the entirety of my opinion. I may be a cynical person but, of course, I value life for more reasons than mere lifespan so I more or less agree with most of what you've said. I just see the most accepted opinions on things and often want to show the other side because nothing is ever black-and-white. I can debate with myself a really long time but I wanted to showcase that particular side of the argument, that's all  :)

 

I can understand that. I suppose I'm just hoping for the ancient elves to have a more nuanced view of mortals than "They're just like regular people/they're worthless and beneath our notice." 


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Until the veil falls

Until the silence breaks
Stay with me, please don't wake me
Until the winter leaves
Until the day rises
Stay with me, please don't wake me

What? Wait.. *Lies down* *Tries not to cry* *Cries a lot*
Wtf that is actually spot on D:
 

 

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Let's marvel at High Approval Solas vs. Low Approval Solas in Trespasser once again

Lol. Low approval Inq looks like if he had pulled a little harder she would have flown away :D


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And more art :D

 

Happy Valentine's Day (all the male DA LIs)

http://purple-meow.d...V-day-588702095

 

The last kiss (Trespasser kiss)

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Ah "urner dialect", a very special one  ^_^ I think it is very difficult to learn a language only through a class. And as there are not many possibilities to listen to swiss german you get lost. Learning the german "german" is easyer as there exist movies and radio shows that you can watch and listen to.

And swiss german is of course very tough because of those many dialects as well. (Hehe if you like I do a short child-book reading for you in "basler dialect"  :lol: it's not "unrner dialect" but you could listen to swiss german ;) )

 

This is me expressing interest in listening to your basler dialect child-book. ;)

 

 

Maybe, but that's assuming the... rate of attachment (?) scales up with length of lifespan, and as far as DA is concerned, I'm not sure it does. Solas falls for Lavellan in a matter of months, after all. I know our perception of time speeds up as we get older - two minutes for an old lady is two months for an infant and all that - but that doesn't necessarily effect how quickly one develops attachments. It'd also probably depend on the age of the immortal in question, especially if they physically mature at the same rate - two eighteen-year-olds at he same level of maturation could conceivably be friends, never mind if one of them's immortal. 

 

 

 

I can understand that. I suppose I'm just hoping for the ancient elves to have a more nuanced view of mortals than "They're just like regular people/they're worthless and beneath our notice." 

 

On Solas falling for Lavellan in a short time relative to his lifespan...BioWare actually slowed things down considering their past experience with long lived/short lived romances. Liara is ready to start up with Shepard right after she meets him, and Asari live 1000 years. Regardless of her lifespan, that seemed unrealistic to me.

 

If, for an immortal elf, emotional attachment took centuries or decades that would not bode very well for the well-being of their infant offspring (assuming elves had babies). My guess is in DA and in life age/lifespan has little to do with attachment. Old people fall in love and get attached to new family members too. Rate of attachment seems more of a matter of an individual's nature. One person might fall in love at first sight, while another takes months or even years to realize their beloved is right in front of them.


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Happy Valentine's Day (all the male DA LIs)

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Oh whops, is it Valentine's day? *looks at calendar*

 

It is not! :lol:. Oh well, it got me prepared ;) -

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Oh whops, is it Valentine's day? *looks at calendar*

 

It is not! :lol:. Oh well, it got me prepared ;) -

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hehehe..it is a little early. :lol:

 

Oh wow, so pretty Fern!  I really love the colors. So bright and vivid.


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This is me expressing interest in listening to your basler dialect child-book. ;)

 

 

 

On Solas falling for Lavellan in a short time relative to his lifespan...BioWare actually slowed things down considering their past experience with long lived/short lived romances. Liara is ready to start up with Shepard right after she meets him, and Asari live 1000 years. Regardless of her lifespan, that seemed unrealistic to me.

 

If, for an immortal elf, emotional attachment took centuries or decades that would not bode very well for the well-being of their infant offspring (assuming elves had babies). My guess is in DA and in life age/lifespan has little to do with attachment. Old people fall in love and get attached to new family members too. Rate of attachment seems more of a matter of an individual's nature. One person might fall in love at first sight, while another takes months or even years to realize their beloved is right in front of them.

 

Well, there are also other factors to consider - circumstances people meet and work together in, for example. I've mentioned it some time ago when some expressed concerns that Solas/other LI relationship with Inquisitor does seem to move pretty fast, compared to, say, our current pace of moving with relationship.

 

Well... yeah, but I'm pretty sure most current relationships in developed countries aren't so abundant in drama, life-threatening or highly stressful situations. These people fight together, continually save their lives and live pretty much on an edge. They've seen each others in circumstances many modern couples only manage to glimpse one another. That tends tear or test and cement bonds (be it friendship or something more) and can do so in relatively short time.

 

Then there's another thing - Solas appears to, hmm.... see more in people than others do. Like Cole, he appears to have (albeit more limited) insight into person's psyche. He may not have pried far enough to discover Blackwall's past, but he recognizes an old war veteran with relatively similar experience. In Cole's quest he can tune into templar deserter's mind state. He continually makes suggestions to Inquisitor that he sees more in them ("I see what you truly are...", "You have a rare and marvelous spirit", Inky: "I don't think of myself as any different from others" Solas: "Perhaps not in the form of your body, no", etc).

 

It appears to be spirit and possibly ancient-elfy thing - they can indeed sense and see more in others, hence they can relate and connect to them faster, or see more than modern Thedoasians. When we meet spirit of Command in Crestwood it immediately recognizes Cole as spirit of Compassion - and when it asks Inquisitor if there's something similar in them, since the spirit felt Quizzy approaching and Inquisitor tells it "How could I know - we've only just met", it responds to them "How can you not already see what I am? What a strange world where time blinds you..."

 

That brings in another thing - time perception. It's lightly implied through some hints (like Cole's: "Old pain, shadows forgotten from dreams too real. This side is slow and heavy, but here is what can change.") time may flow differently now: it appears as if it's more condensed and hence slower. In Still Ruins we see that - with copious amount of blood magic - time can be condensed to a point that it stops, but it appears that only in a world with large tear in the Veil time can be manipulated to a point of being able to travel it and change events (Alexius discovers that he can't go back in time s prior to creation of the Breach). So it may be that in pre-Veil times time itself was more fluid, malleable and... hmm.. thinner or faster.

All this may mean that, ironically, for a being like Solas time may actually flow slower now than it did before, which may kind of even out the field, when it comes to perception of passing of time, so long as he stays in the Veiled world with everyone else.


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Well, there are also other factors to consider - circumstances people meet and work together in, for example. I've mentioned it some time ago when some expressed concerns that Solas/other LI relationship with Inquisitor does seem to move pretty fast, compared to, say, our current pace of moving with relationship.

 

Well... yeah, but I'm pretty sure most current relationships in developed countries aren't so abundant in drama, life-threatening or highly stressful situations. These people fight together, continually save their lives and live pretty much on an edge. They've seen each others in circumstances many modern couples only manage to glimpse one another. That tends tear or test and cement bonds (be it friendship or something more) and can do so in relatively short time.

 

You know, I read a Dragon Age fic once, I think it was Tabris/Alistair, that ended with them eventually breaking up by mutual and friendly agreement (Tabris fell in love with... Zevran or Anders or something, I dunno, it's been a while.). One of the main obstacles to their relationship, and the thing that really stuck with me about the fic, was how it pointed out that the whole "battlefield romance" trope is a terrible basis for a relationship. Oh, it's sweet and romantic and apparently leads to some really great sex, but once that adrenaline runs out, once pleasure and comfort become second to stability, once you have to put down the shield and actually live with your lover, in peaceful domesticity... things don't always work out so well, especially if the relationship relied primarily on that.

 

Not saying that that means all relationships forged in battle are doomed to fail, or that Solavellan (Or any of the other relationships in the games) are screwed. It just struck me as an interesting idea, and a potential flaw in the "relationships forged in war are stronger than normal ones."  That affection and gratitude you get for watching someone's back, and knowing they'll watch yours - it could be the springboard for a good relationship... or it could mask irreconcilable differences.

 

 

 

That brings in another thing - time perception. It's lightly implied through some hints (like Cole's: "Old pain, shadows forgotten from dreams too real. This side is slow and heavy, but here is what can change.")

 

 

Was Cole's comment referring to the world before the Veil? I figured it was referring to the Fade itself, and Solas was impatient because things move faster there then they do in the physical world, Veil or no.

 

(Although, I suppose he may also be frustrated at the lack of modern (Ancient?) conveniences. Carts and carriages must seem a chore when you could just teleport across continents where he's from. When he's from, rather.)


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Then there's another thing - Solas appears to, hmm.... see more in people than others do. Like Cole, he appears to have (albeit more limited) insight into person's psyche. He may not have pried far enough to discover Blackwall's past, but he recognizes an old war veteran with relatively similar experience. In Cole's quest he can tune into templar deserter's mind state. He continually makes suggestions to Inquisitor that he sees more in them ("I see what you truly are...", "You have a rare and marvelous spirit", Inky: "I don't think of myself as any different from others" Solas: "Perhaps not in the form of your body, no", etc).

 

It appears to be spirit and possibly ancient-elfy thing - they can indeed sense and see more in others, hence they can relate and connect to them faster, or see more than modern Thedoasians. When we meet spirit of Command in Crestwood it immediately recognizes Cole as spirit of Compassion - and when it asks Inquisitor if there's something similar in them, since the spirit felt Quizzy approaching and Inquisitor tells it "How could I know - we've only just met", it responds to them "How can you not already see what I am? What a strange world where time blinds you..."

 

 

"An ancient-elfy thing"? Maybe I'm a freak, but I kind of thought that was normal--occasionally being able to see/sense things about people after knowing them only a short time. That is what allows people to sometimes form attachments quickly, to make fast friends with "kindred spirits" and so forth. I know that sort of perception is what made me latch on to my SO quickly, and we've been together 10 years (certainly not a battlefield romance). I could tell rather quickly that we were similar inside, that we'd be good for each other. Do other people not experience this? I have no delusions that I am psychic or anything like that. I don't believe in ghosts or fairies. Hmmm...

 


That brings in another thing - time perception. It's lightly implied through some hints (like Cole's: "Old pain, shadows forgotten from dreams too real. This side is slow and heavy, but here is what can change.") time may flow differently now: it appears as if it's more condensed and hence slower. In Still Ruins we see that - with copious amount of blood magic - time can be condensed to a point that it stops, but it appears that only in a world with large tear in the Veil time can be manipulated to a point of being able to travel it and change events (Alexius discovers that he can't go back in time s prior to creation of the Breach). So it may be that in pre-Veil times time itself was more fluid, malleable and... hmm.. thinner or faster.

All this may mean that, ironically, for a being like Solas time may actually flow slower now than it did before, which may kind of even out the field, when it comes to perception of passing of time, so long as he stays in the Veiled world with everyone else.

 

This is an interesting point. Thank you for sharing it. Time in Thedas gives me a headache. I've mused on this topic before. I assumed that ancient elves immortality was a product of a magic much like that Ameridan used with Hakkon--only with the added ability to live actively within frozen time. I never really considered the flow of time impacting Solas' ability to quickly form an attachment to Lavellan though. The opportunity to kiss Solas came up awfully early in the game, but I figured that largely had to do with the fact that it was a dream. I do all kinds of crazy things in dreams, especially when I'm lucid. :wizard: But, there you have it. Things are easier for Solas in the Fade. 



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hehehe..it is a little early. :lol:

 

Oh wow, so pretty Fern!  I really love the colors. So bright and vivid.

 

I had a go at changing it to a moon too! I've never drastically changed colors before so this was an experiment in filters:

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Make this relevant by pretending it's Solas and Lavellan ;).


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Art post.

 

A very emotional scene based on Chapter 13 of the modern AU Solavellan fic Somnium by anachromystic. (Now I have another fic I should read. <3)

 

Beautiful Solavellan tarot card.

 

More Solavellan Howl's Moving Castle AU. <3

 

Gorgeous art of Lavellan and Solas reading in the rotunda.

 

Solas kissing Lavellan's hand.  ^_^

 

Lavellan sleeping on the grass with wolf!Solas.

 

"Notice me senpai <3" Solas and Lavellan. :lol:

 

'Not that kind of wolf.' Artist believes that Solas' in-game face is based on a wolf skull.

 

Beautiful art of Trespasser Solas done for the color palette meme. (Love the colors.)

 

Sketch of an annoyed/angry Solas. (I quite like the style.)

 

Some DA:I Valentine's Day cards for you to draw your Inquisitor's in, then tag the artist for her to see.  ^_^


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YES! That's what I always try to explain to people who refuse to acknowledge the problem with having a very long-lived species living alongside humans.

We literally can't understand what it is like to live for, for example, 5000 years. Our brains are not capable of really rationalising that experience and how it affects the way someone experiences life. We can imagine, of course. There's so much written about thousands of imaginary beings that live that much longer than we but they way authors deal with the problem can be vastly different. From our standpoint, we tend to think that the longer the lifespan is, the more meaningful the existence. And it doesn't really matter how much someone claims that all life is sacred and meaningful and all that stuff, if there's a choice between saving a human or a hamster, even a sentient one, absolute most would still save a human. Everyone just gets indignant because the ones with the lesser lifespan are us.

 

I think Marvel portrays that kind of thinking perfectly. They almost never extrapolate on the problem of Human-Aesir relationships beside "I'll get you an Apple" and "Aesir are jerks how dare they treat us like that!" But imagine the reverse situation? In MCU Aesir live about 5000 years (it's a very off-handed remark by Loki but it's all we have) and average human lifespan is, let's say, 80 years. 5000:80=62.5. 80:62.5=1.28. Just imagine it: somewhere nearby there' a species that look mostly like us, that are sentient but they live and die in span of 1 year 3 months and are so weak, they can't lift your average bag of groceries. In terms of lifespan it's worse than a dog or a cat. It's even less than a freaking hamster! I really don't think those species would be treated like anything even remotely close to equality at any level :/

 

Yeah, I've got a lot of feels regarding that topic

 

I'm glad my analogy struck a good chord for you. =)

 

Like you said, it's hard for most people to conceptualize because humanity is the only sapient species that we know of, and we're the longest lived of all mammals. (Though there are some species of bird, turtle/tortoise, and jellyfish that live longer.) We can guess what it would be like being the shorter lived and/or less technologically advanced species of another living right beside us, but ultimately we'll never know.

 

You know, I read a Dragon Age fic once, I think it was Tabris/Alistair, that ended with them eventually breaking up by mutual and friendly agreement (Tabris fell in love with... Zevran or Anders or something, I dunno, it's been a while.). One of the main obstacles to their relationship, and the thing that really stuck with me about the fic, was how it pointed out that the whole "battlefield romance" trope is a terrible basis for a relationship. Oh, it's sweet and romantic and apparently leads to some really great sex, but once that adrenaline runs out, once pleasure and comfort become second to stability, once you have to put down the shield and actually live with your lover, in peaceful domesticity... things don't always work out so well, especially if the relationship relied primarily on that.

 

Not saying that that means all relationships forged in battle are doomed to fail, or that Solavellan (Or any of the other relationships in the games) are screwed. It just struck me as an interesting idea, and a potential flaw in the "relationships forged in war are stronger than normal ones."  That affection and gratitude you get for watching someone's back, and knowing they'll watch yours - it could be the springboard for a good relationship... or it could mask irreconcilable differences.

 

That's really interesting. I thoroughly approve of this speculation.

 

In fact, that actually mirrors how I headcanon that my Tabris' and Alistair's relationship more or less fell apart after the main game. She set out to help her people, then fell in love with Alistair, so she didn't force him to become king because he didn't want to, and so they could remain together. When Anora cracked down on the alienage, she was devastated; then slowly fell into deeper and deeper depression when her attempts to help her people kept getting stone-walled by Queen Anora and the other nobles at court. 

 

On top of that, while Alistair is a sweet guy, he's still an unassertive follower. While this was okay when she needed him to support her choices as they were trying to stop the Blight, in the long run I imagine she got exasperated with it. It's like, "I need you to be a freaking adult and make decisions for once in your life. You can't keep putting the burden of making decisions on me. I need an equal partner in this."

 

Not to mention that she was very passionate about elven rights, issues, and culture. Alistair... isn't. (I mean, he's a half-elf, but he doesn't know that.) Again, this wasn't an issue when they were working toward a common goal of stopping the Blight. But after the Blight was over, when it was time to put down their weapons and actually live in peaceful domesticity; with her not wanting to live anywhere besides the alienage and him wanting to stay with the Wardens. Can you imagine? She was home among her people, and had a human lover. (This would get her family and neighbors' tongues wagging, which would get to her eventually.) I imagine Alistair often felt alienated because all she cared about was the alienage, and she was less invested because he was still passionately devoted to the Grey Wardens (which she only ever saw as a stepping stone to advancing elven rights).

 

I headcanon that part of the reason she keeps going off on reckless, semi-suicidal missions, like hunting for Morrigan and hunting for a cure to the Calling, is because she's semi-suicidally depressed, and part of her kind of hopes to fade away or die in the attempt. (While they're still together as of Inquisition, Warden Alistair sounding rather world-weary, even as he talks about their relationship, almost supports this headcanon.)

 

Anyway, interesting stuff. As for Solas and Lavellan falling fast and hard: I personally hand-wave it by headcanoning that my girl is young and thus likely to give her heart too quickly and easily. ("Young people like, and even love, on impulse," wrote Le Fanu.) As for Solas, well... as he himself says, "It's been a long time."

 

"An ancient-elfy thing"? Maybe I'm a freak, but I kind of thought that was normal--occasionally being able to see/sense things about people after knowing them only a short time. That is what allows people to sometimes form attachments quickly, to make fast friends with "kindred spirits" and so forth. [snip]

 

Yeah, based on how Solas describes things in Trespasser (and Felassan's unspoken conversation with his mysterious boss, whose emotions and reactions he seemed to already know before he did them), I always figured ancient elves had mild empathic and telepathic abilities; being able to "sense" each other's thoughts and emotions in a similar but less potent way that Cole can.

 

I think this is also part of why Solas sees modern Thedas as "Tranquil." He's from a time and place where ancient elves and spirits could easily sense each other's basic thoughts and emotions (at least on the surface level), so you knew who you were compatible with or not based on what you could sense. Then watching centuries of Fade memories reenacting idiot mortals blundering blindly around making the same mistakes over and over, and then waking up to a world where he couldn't sense the thoughts or emotions of anyone, made him think no one had any complex emotions or thoughts worth having.

 

It's amazing how often in Inquisition he's surprised by the complex emotions and noble actions of various companions. He's surprised by Cassandra's inherent nobility and altruism, surprised by Varric's rather wise view of the world, surprised to learn the seemingly noble Blackwall is actually a former war criminal.

 

Most of all, he's surprised to learn that an Inquisitor he befriends or (especially) falls for is capable of feeling complex emotions, deep intelligence, foresight, wisdom, etc. We behind the screen are like, "Duh, you would have known that if you took the time to talk to me and got to know me." But to Solas that's still a very foreign concept. He's so used to the idea that you should be able to sense another person's emotions and thoughts, that he's having a hard time letting it go.

 

On a vaguely tangential note, when Solas first ragged on the Dalish for being like "children enacting traditions they don't remember," while he had "gone directly to the Fade and seen for myself," I totally headcanoned that my girl retorted something like, "That's not fair. You were lucky to figure out how to safely travel through the Fade, but we didn't know. You can't expect us to magically figure out how to do something we've never been taught. We aren't born knowing these things."

 

Given what we've learned in Trespasser, I now imagine that when she said that, Solas thought, "No, but if you were born before the Veil, you would have been."

 

Goddamn it, Solas.


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I actually don't see Solas and Lavellan happening fast. On his part, sure, he is suave and flirty if you choose the option, but the way it's written is, to me, a Lavellan being not falling too fast, but self-assured, knowing what she wants, and being confident enough to give him space when he's hesitant, to not be in over her head too much too fast. Inquisition takes place over a time period of roughly a year, but you can headcanon it taking even more than that, within reason. Maybe it's 15 months, maybe it's close to a year and a half. By the time you all get to Skyhold, some time has passed, enough for you to do good deeds and work and have them believe in you and name you Inquisitor. Solas may have been infatuated then, but to me, the fact time passes and all, doesn't say too fast to me.

 

You get the Fade kiss, and yes, she kisses him first, but if you've ever made the first move with someone, you know it's a risk, and you know it might go nowhere, but giving someone a kiss doesn't mean you're in super deep yet. I think Solas falls faster, but by the time this scene is over, it's clear ther's something mutual there. And more time passes, and you get the balcony.

 

I've analyzed the animations before in this thread, how there are indications over time of increased physical intimacy between them. That's not a fast thing, it's something that develops.

 

As a sensitive and intuitive person, it is possible to know or sense things about other people that you might not even have any way of knowing is true or not. It can be hard to explain. I do think Solas is sensing something more in a more extreme way, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more revelations about the decision to open him as a LI only to female Lavellans, for lore reasons.


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I do think Solas is sensing something more in a more extreme way, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more revelations about the decision to open him as a LI only to female Lavellans, for lore reasons.

 

Cee, you're pulling the hopey-feelz blanket over me tonight.


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Cee, you're pulling the hopey-feelz blanket over me tonight.

 

This may amount to nothing, but we saw how there was some vagueness, as well as diversions of sorts over the questions of Solas' age and other things, but also over why make Solas a romance option, and then why make Solas a straight romance option. After Trespasser was out and played, Weekes came clean and talked about the intent to avoid tropes in making him straight, but we also learned some lore things that seem to tell us more about the elfy elves, and it makes me wonder if they kept even more back from us until some secret things are otherwise revealed.


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Most of all, he's surprised to learn that an Inquisitor he befriends or (especially) falls for is capable of feeling complex emotions, deep intelligence, foresight, wisdom, etc. We behind the screen are like, "Duh, you would have known that if you took the time to talk to me and got to know me." But to Solas that's still a very foreign concept. He's so used to the idea that you should be able to sense another person's emotions and thoughts, that he's having a hard time letting it go.

 

(Sorry this got really wall-of-texty.)

 

I'm not sure it's complex emotion that surprised him as much as positive emotion (Of course, I also don't buy the theory that ancient elves had heightened sensitivity to emotions in any capacity. I just write Solas' Tranquil comment off as analogy, and Felassan's familiarity as... well, he's known Solas for centuries. Millenia. Of course he knows what the dude's like.) Taking Solas' general cynicism, paring it with how easily surprised he is by simple goodness (What is it Cassandra says to him? "You're opinion of me must be rather low for me to surprise you so often." And what does Solas reply with? "Not low, but realistic.") and how delightfully condescending he is to low-approval Inquisitors, I think he just assumed mortals were... hate-filled. Brutish. And if all he saw were spirits being corrupted into demons, mages being locked up in Circles, elves abused at every turn, it's not terribly surprising that he jumped to that conclusion, however misguided it is. 

 

But, he seems so routinely surprised by people just... being nice He even says to low-approval Inquisitors something along the lines of "I had little experience with your people before this. From the stories, I thought them all thuggish. Crude. Now? Now I know I was right." He says that to all Inquisitors, regardless of race or culture or class or whatever, because "your people" isn't dwarves or humans or Qunari - it's mortals. Because he only saw the broken world they made, and assumed that was all they are. And is that much of a wonder? His first interaction with the Dalish was to be mocked and dismissed, then threatened and attacked. His first interaction with the Inquisition was to be interrogated, then basically held under watch, and then bodily threatened because his work wasn't producing results. And this is setting aside all the little hostilities he's probably suffered for being a mage, an elf, a flat-ear, a hermit. Of course he has a massively negative opinion of mortals. He's not really right to - I want to point that out, it's still discriminatory on his part, no question - but his experiences thus far with the world have been overwhelmingly hostile.

 

One question I kept asking myself after finishing the game was "Why does Solas love Lavellan?" I wanted to come up with a good answer to that (And it pisses me off so much that a lot of fanfic just skims over this, that so many seem to think good romance just happens if you shove characters together long enough, no point to bothering with, y'know, chemistry or character growth.) And it stumped for a while, because I thought "Solas is so old, and has seen so much, what could he possibly find new or exciting about some mortal girl? What does he see in her that he needs? Something he's not getting from anyone else, and probably can't get from anyone else?" But Trespasser made the answer clear - he loves Lavellan because she catches him so off-guard. He expects mortals, all mortals, everyone in this broken future, to be selfish. Short-sighted. Crude. Everyone he meets, he writes off as such. He probably wrote Lavellan off as such, in the beginning.

 

But then Lavellan proves she's different, just by being her. She's kind. She listens. She understands, or at least tries to. It's another reason why I think he bleeds approval so much in the Hinterlands - because it's the very beginning of the game (Where he still whole-heartedly believes mortals are all walking jerkbags.) where you contradict this belief of his just by... being nice to people. Putting flowers on a grave. Giving food to the hungry. And the interactions you have with him - his genuine surprise when you acknowledge the fault of those Dalish who have discredited and attacked him, How taken aback he is when you say you'll defend him if anyone in the Inquisition tries to threaten him. 

 

It all gave me the impression that he's just... he has no faith anymore. In anyone. In their ability to do and be good. On a low-approval run, that lack of faith goes completely unchallenged. If anything, it's supported. But by just being nice and treating him like a person, he starts to doubt. Over just a bit of kindness. 

 

S'no wonder he gravitates to the Compassion spirit, huh?


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Unrelated but.. damn you Bioware.. why do you release such cool things when I don't have a job and why do they cost so much? D:

http://www.biowarest...ngl-jacket.html

I've been wanting a Leliana-looking outfit for a very long time now :<


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It appears to be spirit and possibly ancient-elfy thing - they can indeed sense and see more in others, hence they can relate and connect to them faster, or see more than modern Thedoasians. When we meet spirit of Command in Crestwood it immediately recognizes Cole as spirit of Compassion - and when it asks Inquisitor if there's something similar in them, since the spirit felt Quizzy approaching and Inquisitor tells it "How could I know - we've only just met", it responds to them "How can you not already see what I am? What a strange world where time blinds you..."

 

We see this kind of thing with empaths now but it would be interesting to play with the idea that the Fade increases this ability.  Solas' empathy is at even more heightened levels than you'd see in a typical 'sensitive' because of his still strong attachment to the Fade.

 

"An ancient-elfy thing"? Maybe I'm a freak, but I kind of thought that was normal--occasionally being able to see/sense things about people after knowing them only a short time. That is what allows people to sometimes form attachments quickly, to make fast friends with "kindred spirits" and so forth. I know that sort of perception is what made me latch on to my SO quickly, and we've been together 10 years (certainly not a battlefield romance). I could tell rather quickly that we were similar inside, that we'd be good for each other. Do other people not experience this? I have no delusions that I am psychic or anything like that. I don't believe in ghosts or fairies. Hmmm...

 

You're not a freak, it is a personality type.  Some people are just more tuned to emotions and others around them, myself included.  Often ones that are stronger can develop issues because of it.  Example crowded places can make the more sensitive empaths highly uncomfortable, the more so the longer they have to stay there.  It makes sense if you think of it.  If they're essentially able to pick up on emotional energies of people being in a crowded places like a mall would be overwhelming.  This could also be an additional reason Solas seeks solitude a lot, he may have to recharge so to speak.

 

Also I'm not talking anything psychic here energy is energy.  It is simply cause and effect just on a more subtle scale that some people can't pick up on as easily.

 

One question I kept asking myself after finishing the game was "Why does Solas love Lavellan?" I wanted to come up with a good answer to that (And it pisses me off so much that a lot of fanfic just skims over this, that so many seem to think good romance just happens if you shove characters together long enough, no point to bothering with, y'know, chemistry or character growth.) And it stumped for a while, because I thought "Solas is so old, and has seen so much, what could he possibly find new or exciting about some mortal girl? What does he see in her that he needs? Something he's not getting from anyone else, and probably can't get from anyone else?" But Trespasser made the answer clear - he loves Lavellan because she catches him so off-guard. He expects mortals, all mortals, everyone in this broken future, to be selfish. Short-sighted. Crude. Everyone he meets, he writes off as such. He probably wrote Lavellan off as such, in the beginning.

 

Agreed.  I love the slow build fan fictions when it comes to Solas romance or any romance really.  I hate it when characters are just thrown together because the author wants it.  Especially with a character like Solas, he wouldn't just fall for any woman.  There has got to be something special about her, some way he connects to her on a deep level that is surprising/a bit terrifying to him.


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