And I am the same. If I ever do a Solas romance play through again...I will just recreate Atisha.
This is the only game where I'm like that though. I've romanced Alistair so many times with different characters. My Hawkes are always different too. I'm just really fond of my little Atisha Lavellan.
I think I get bored quite easily playing magnanimous idealists xD
My sweet, idealistic, and magnanimous Adaar is the one who ends up wanting to bust Solas upside his head and hurt him for what she sees as a complete betrayal. She adored Solas and saw him as a great mentor. But then you have her own issues and insecurities wrapped up in that and she was a mess for Tresapasser. It was glorious.
Lavellan wants to redeem him, because it's not hard to see he doesn't really like what he is doing. She holds with the idea that if she can stop him or find another way, then everyone can be safe. If not, and it's not a case of Solas has to do what he is doing because of reasons we don't yet know, but are valid, I don't know... it seems easy to say she'll knife him and be done with it, because I'm sure she would, at least instinctually to save herself and her people. But the idea is overwhelming to her, because how does she really understand the whole picture over someone who is thousands of years old, very powerful, and was there for all of it? It would be easier if Solas was a cackling madman. Much harder when he really isn't and you just don't know on the same level.
I really wonder if we'll get to explore things like that with our Inquisitors in the next game. It will be so easy to skew one way with a noob character that of COURSE is going to stop the great evil elf god without having context or history to work with.
I've had 4 play throughs with Nia so far and I tried to make a different character to romance Solas but it just didn't feel right.
I romanced Alistair with 2 characters only because he wouldn't marry my Tabris and I was genuinely upset about it at the time. 
So I created a Cousland for him. Then I replayed my Tabris and got to stay as his mistress.
I have trouble playing different Hawkes too. I kind of have a set male and female Hawke that I stick with.
Hmmm... The preview for the next Magekiller comic is out and it appears that they're going to run into the Inquisition. I'm curious how the writer and artist will handle the Inquisitor. I hope that Marius and Tessa just won't meet the Inquisitor, but that is probably a faint hope. I also really hope that they don't meet the companions (probably also a faint hope) because, even for my redeemer Inquisitor, having some mage killers in your back pocket would probably be a good thing. (Along with the rebuilt Seekers, the reformed Templars, etc.) It would be interesting if Marius and Tessa show up in DA4, I think. And it would be good for them to be some of those people that Solas doesn't know.
My sweet, idealistic, and magnanimous Adaar is the one who ends up wanting to bust Solas upside his head and hurt him for what she sees as a complete betrayal. She adored Solas and saw him as a great mentor. But then you have her own issues and insecurities wrapped up in that and she was a mess for Tresapasser. It was glorious.
Lavellan wants to redeem him, because it's not hard to see he doesn't really like what he is doing. She holds with the idea that if she can stop him or find another way, then everyone can be safe. If not, and it's not a case of Solas has to do what he is doing because of reasons we don't yet know, but are valid, I don't know... it seems easy to say she'll knife him and be done with it, because I'm sure she would, at least instinctually to save herself and her people. But the idea is overwhelming to her, because how does she really understand the whole picture over someone who is thousands of years old, very powerful, and was there for all of it? It would be easier if Solas was a cackling madman. Much harder when he really isn't and you just don't know on the same level.
I really wonder if we'll get to explore things like that with our Inquisitors in the next game. It will be so easy to skew one way with a noob character that of COURSE is going to stop the great evil elf god without having context or history to work with.
I keep wondering whether Inquisitor will be something of a window for new protag to know Solas on a personal level (because really, who else? Felassan 2.0?), or perhaps a device to sway new character/player to either help them redeem or kill him as if, those who want to redeem will be more positive about him, those who want to kill: more negative? I have to admit that - depending on how it's done - I'm kinda looking forward to it.
Hmmm... The preview for the next Magekiller comic is out and it appears that they're going to run into the Inquisition. I'm curious how the writer and artist will handle the Inquisitor. I hope that Marius and Tessa just won't meet the Inquisitor, but that is probably a faint hope. I also really hope that they don't meet the companions (probably also a faint hope) because, even for my redeemer Inquisitor, having some mage killers in your back pocket would probably be a good thing. (Along with the rebuilt Seekers, the reformed Templars, etc.) It would be interesting if Marius and Tessa show up in DA4, I think. And it would be good for them to be some of those people that Solas doesn't know.
If they'd show the Inquisitor it'd likely be a shadowed figure somewhere in the distance or something, though I assume they'd still be involved into something written into canon as fairly important for the Inquisition - so far it appears to me that Marius and Tessa are built to be something of a connective tissue between some characters or events between DA3 and 4. Heck, I wonder if any of them is going to be a companion or an NPC?
I have multiple elves that have all romanced Solas, only because I hadn't figured out who my canon Quizzy was yet. I did intend for some of them to romance other characters but it always drifts back to the elf. And now that I have my canon set I've been either ending the relationship with Solas and moving to another, or deleting the character altogether.
With DAO I had different Wardens for different romances, Only Alistair ended up with more than one romance, a Cousland (became Queen) and Nera which he dumped at the Landsmeet because well it was my first play-through and I didn't know what I was doing. My male Amel romanced Morrigan, Tabris romanced Zevran, and my dalish, well I used Karma's mod and brought Tamlen back for her. My Dalish Warden and Tamlen is my Canon world state, with Lohgain as a warden and Alistair unhappily married to Anora....Throw over my Nera will you 
My Male hawke flirted with everyone and somehow ended up in a relationship with Isabela...I was planning on a Merril romance but well I messed it up and no one else would have him Then I kind of liked their pairing so I kept it. FemHawke romanced Anders and Fenris and honestly I still have trouble deciding which of them I like best...depends on my mood at the time... 
I still fondly remember my bang-everyone playthrough of DA:II.. Isabela, Merrill, Anders, Fenris, Jethann..
some thoughts on the Mercy for the Elves song, Solas comes up
But a more comparable example, I think, is Shepard at the end of Mass Effect 3, especially if Synthesis is an option. No matter what you do, you're changing the galaxy, probably murdering countless people, and maybe even altering the basics of life itself. Does that mean that rejection is the only moral action for Shepard to take? Does that mean they should just sit themselves down in the middle of the Crucible and wait to be processed, because they don't have the right to play god? Should they just give up, simply because there's no good option?
Well, Solas is the Shepard in this equation - and his only real options are Destroy or Reject.
So when a human character does it it's fine, but when a non-human character does it's heinous? That's... fairly typical of BioWare, and fiction in general. 
I just realized, from what I can tell here most solasmancers seem to create at least two (often far more) characters to romance Solas, and I totally get that because then you can explore new aspects of their relationship... but I've never been able to romance my favorite characters with new characters! For example, despite having 7-8 different world states, Alistair is only ever together with my canon Warden, and the same can be said for Fenris and my canon Hawke. Solas is no exception to this rule. It's not a jealousy thing or anything like that, I love to encourage people to try these romances! The more people to discuss and gush with the better! Am I the only one that has this weird quirk?
Nah, I'm the same way.
I romanced Alistair with my "canon" Warden, then never really felt compelled to romance him with another character because I loved that one so much. I also romanced Solas with my first Lavellan, and haven't even wanted to romance him with another because I just like that one couple, relationship, dynamic, etc. so dang much.
I think I get bored quite easily playing magnanimous idealists xD
Ah, I just get disappointed. BioWare loves playing the "idealism is for idiots who will be punished accordingly--except the human noble PC, whom we'll reward for their idealism and ambition" card, and because I never learn I just keep playing the idealist after idealist card and then curse BioWare for losing.
I imagine my City Elf Warden eventually became suicidally depressed years after the Blight (part of why she dropped everything to search for Morrigan in Witch Hunt and went to find a cure for the Calling in DAI, because part of her hopes to disappear or die in the search), partly because she had truly believed that being made a Grey Warden and becoming a hero would improve things for her people, but the narrative and end slides just kept beating her (and me) over the head with how life isn't fair and one elf becoming a hero doesn't mean elves everywhere will be treated better and you've just got to live with it.
Surprisingly though, making Lavellan a magnanimous idealist worked out way better. She's made of way tougher stuff than I or my City Elf, so no matter how much sh!t this game keeps throwing at her for being an Elf/Dalish, she never stays down for long.
Solas: "I begged you not to drink from the Well! How could you not listen? You have given yourself over to the service of an ancient elven god!"
Lavellan: *shrugs and points to Mythal vallaslin* "Could be worse, I could be the servant of a human god--oh wayt..."
Solas: "Your vallaslin, they're slave markings."
Lavellan: "Used to be. The Dalish have reclaimed them and they mean something else now. 
"
Solas: "I can remove them."
Lavellan: "No thanks, I'm good. 
"
Flemythal: "I have no orders for you... yet. *leaves ominously*
Morrigan: (thinking) "Thank Whoever I let you drink from the Well."
Lavellan: (thinking) "Thank Mythal I didn't let Morrigan drink from the Well. Now I'd better get moving using the knowledge of the Well to help my people while there's still time. Gotta get mileage out of this price of eternal slavery before she comes back to cash it in..."
Leliana: "I'm sorry Inquisitor, but Solas is gone."
Lavellan: "That's okay, I'll find him. "
Solas: "The elvhen gods were not gods at all."
Lavellan: "Well, if that don't beat all."
Solas: "The Dalish were half-right about the legends."
Lavellan: "SEE?! We were half-right! And you acted like the Dalish didn't know anything..."
Solas: "I must destroy the current world to restore the old one."
Lavellan: "Let's not be melodramatic. There has to be a less destructive way you haven't thought of yet."
Solas: "Vhenan, I am an ancient, immortal elf who has spent eons in the Fade, brainstorming a way to do this delicately for centuries. If there was a less destructive way, don't you think I would have thought of one already?"
Lavellan: "You're just being grim and fatalistic! There has to be a way you haven't thought of yet. If we sit this one down and put our heads together, I'm sure we'll come up with something."
Solas: "Vhenan..."
Lavellan: "I recommend starting with the sitting lotus position, followed by some meditation to clear our heads, then we'll munch on some nuts to increase brainflow..."
Solas: *lifts the magic holding the Anchor back to end the conversation*
Then there's Lavellan's closing line: "We'll save our friend from himself."
It's almost funny to play a character who is just too dang optimistic (and in some cases self-deluded) to indulge in any of the angst BioWare keeps trying to throw at her.
I just realized, from what I can tell here most solasmancers seem to create at least two (often far more) characters to romance Solas, and I totally get that because then you can explore new aspects of their relationship... but I've never been able to romance my favorite characters with new characters! For example, despite having 7-8 different world states, Alistair is only ever together with my canon Warden, and the same can be said for Fenris and my canon Hawke. Solas is no exception to this rule. It's not a jealousy thing or anything like that, I love to encourage people to try these romances! The more people to discuss and gush with the better! Am I the only one that has this weird quirk?
I totally know this!
Last time, I ended up replaying the exact same character (recreated new but same name same face same story) just to romance the same character T____T
Hi Solas Thread
Glad to see that I'm not the only one weirded out by the thought of making a new character romance someone I already feel "belongs" to one of my other PCs. I am a bit jealous though of the people that get to experience the romance in so many different ways!
I have to admit, although I'm never jealous of other people's characters romancing my favorites, whenever I play DA2 and Isabela and Fenris start their "relationship" (or rather, friends with benefits thing) or when Garrus and Tali hook up in ME3... I do feel a tinge of jealousy, even though I know I'm being unreasonable. I'm quite happy that doesn't happen with Solas! 
I totally know this!
Last time, I ended up replaying the exact same character (recreated new but same name same face same story) just to romance the same character T____T
Hi Solas Thread
I may or may not have done the same thing... twice... 
*snip*
Solas: "Vhenan, I am an ancient, immortal elf who has spent eons in the Fade, brainstorming a way to do this delicately for centuries. If there was a less destructive way, don't you think I would have thought of one already?"
*snip*
My standard response to this is "Solas, we mortals are not complete idiots. While you slept for millennia, we were not sitting idly by. We made our own problems, we came up with our own solutions, we came up with our own ways of overcoming challenges. We have humans, dwarves, and Qunari as well as mortal elves, all with different perspectives on the world, all coming up with new ideas. Time magic? That was new to you, remember? It probably isn't the only thing we've come up with that 'your' people didn't. So: there is a good chance that you have actually overlooked some way of fixing things, or at least compromising, because you're a little bit stuck in the past. (OK... more than a little bit.)"
My standard response to this is "Solas, we mortals are not complete idiots. While you slept for millennia, we were not sitting idly by. We made our own problems, we came up with our own solutions, we came up with our own ways of overcoming challenges. We have humans, dwarves, and Qunari as well as mortal elves, all with different perspectives on the world, all coming up with new ideas. Time magic? That was new to you, remember? It probably isn't the only thing we've come up with that 'your' people didn't. So: there is a good chance that you have actually overlooked some way of fixing things, or at least compromising, because you're a little bit stuck in the past. (OK... more than a little bit.)"
Well... the difference is that unlike modern Thedosians, who seem to have absolutely no idea how Thedas was before the whole Veil (most don't even know there was time prior to the Veil) or "we were magickal and spirity and immortal" or any magic of the kind Solas uses, Solas has been observing Veiled world for the millenia from the Fade. Oh sure, he definitely doesn't know everything there is and there appear to be some stuff he overlooked, but I highly doubt he didn't take into consideration new possibilities and new perspectives from emerging new races.
In fact... I kinda get a feeling that that new solutions from new people was what he was counting on... only to become seriously disappointed with the world.
I kind of think that he is still counting on new solutions from new people. Or hoping for them, anyway. Which makes it a little infuriating that he is making it very difficult to talk to him indeed, because we might need to ask him a few things about the Veil in order to come up with a solution for him.
I kind of think that he is still counting on new solutions from new people. Or hoping for them, anyway. Which makes it a little infuriating that he is making it very difficult to talk to him indeed, because we might need to ask him a few things about the Veil in order to come up with a solution for him.
I can just see it now, you put all the pieces together, find Solas, give him this awesome new, better solution that will totally work, which he accepts, and then a third party(Mythal, lol) comes along and rips the bloody Veil off, anyway.
I idly wonder if even if you can convince Solas to stop/change his mind/redeem him, The Thing will happen anyway. Couple reasons
1) lolo mythal indeed. flemythal wants vengeance and a reckoning, I presume on the evanuris who killed her. she can't get vengeance on them if they're cosily sealed away out of reach in jail. the reckoning that will shake the very heavens isnt gonna happen if the evanuris stay in jail.
2) hella prophecies on the shadows parting and the skies opening wide and everyone being as they were and the magic comin back and the prison is breached an encroaching darkness the shadow will consume all a hunger a cage a yawning void and remaking the world to suit his desires his chosen to reign pulling back the curtain let the light in let in burn and yeah. eleni zinovia, sandal, the ardent blossom faerie.. hella foreshadowing strap in everyone
3) future-thedas With Veil and Without Veil, if there are to be games after that choice, is just.. not practically doable. fine if its the final game in the series or whatever but it's not on the scale of Alistair or Random Standin, it's two vastly different worlds and all that implies.. Think Mass Effect 3's ending variations.
4) if the veil got torn down future storylines and stuff would just be soo interesting like think about it yass like i'm so here for a setting like in korra where she opened the portals to the spirit world
5) i WANNA FIGHT ELGAR'NAN let me fite elgar'nan this is my current #1 Dragon Age goal fITE ME elgernen (ง’̀-‘́)ง
I idly wonder if even if you can convince Solas to stop/change his mind/redeem him, The Thing will happen anyway. Couple reasons
1) lolo mythal indeed. flemythal wants vengeance and a reckoning, I presume on the evanuris who killed her. she can't get vengeance on them if they're cosily sealed away out of reach in jail. the reckoning that will shake the very heavens isnt gonna happen if the evanuris stay in jail.
2) hella prophecies on the shadows parting and the skies opening wide and everyone being as they were and the magic comin back and the prison is breached an encroaching darkness the shadow will consume all a hunger a cage a yawning void and remaking the world to suit his desires his chosen to reign pulling back the curtain let the light in let in burn and yeah. eleni zinovia, sandal, the ardent blossom faerie.. hella foreshadowing strap in everyone
3) future-thedas With Veil and Without Veil, if there are to be games after that choice, is just.. not practically doable. fine if its the final game in the series or whatever but it's not on the scale of Alistair or Random Standin, it's two vastly different worlds and all that implies.. Think Mass Effect 3's ending variations.
4) if the veil got torn down future storylines and stuff would just be soo interesting like think about it yass like i'm so here for a setting like in korra where she opened the portals to the spirit world
5) i WANNA FIGHT ELGAR'NAN let me fite elgar'nan fITE ME elgernen (ง’̀-‘́)ง
1&2- Yep
3- agreed
4-I so want to play in that world, the one with MOAR magic, more dragons, more terrifying beasties, people having to cope with disaster, conflict, rebuilding their world
5-lol, watch him mind control ur Lavellan through their tats and make them punch themself in the face, oh fuuuuucking hell
I idly wonder if even if you can convince Solas to stop/change his mind/redeem him, The Thing will happen anyway. Couple reasons
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I look forward to catching up with you in four years when the next Dragon Age comes out and discussing how you were spot on with everything. 
Also you are the cutest boxer.
5-lol, watch him mind control ur Lavellan through their tats and make them punch themself in the face, oh fuuuuucking hell
i'M HERE FOR THIS, remember the Duel of a Hundred Years between the champions of Elgar'nan and Falon'din? In my cataclysmic dark future everyone failed AU dream Gryff ended up enslaved forevermore as Elgar'nan's champion and it was the COOLEST THING ever
plus "Gryff tries to punch gods and gets frozen by their magic" is a running theme for her lmao mythal, fen'harel.. lets make it three for three
I idly wonder if even if you can convince Solas to stop/change his mind/redeem him, The Thing will happen anyway. Couple reasons
1) lolo mythal indeed. flemythal wants vengeance and a reckoning, I presume on the evanuris who killed her. she can't get vengeance on them if they're cosily sealed away out of reach in jail. the reckoning that will shake the very heavens isnt gonna happen if the evanuris stay in jail.
2) hella prophecies on the shadows parting and the skies opening wide and everyone being as they were and the magic comin back and the prison is breached an encroaching darkness the shadow will consume all a hunger a cage a yawning void and remaking the world to suit his desires his chosen to reign pulling back the curtain let the light in let in burn and yeah. eleni zinovia, sandal, the ardent blossom faerie.. hella foreshadowing strap in everyone
3) future-thedas With Veil and Without Veil, if there are to be games after that choice, is just.. not practically doable. fine if its the final game in the series or whatever but it's not on the scale of Alistair or Random Standin, it's two vastly different worlds and all that implies.. Think Mass Effect 3's ending variations.
4) if the veil got torn down future storylines and stuff would just be soo interesting like think about it yass like i'm so here for a setting like in korra where she opened the portals to the spirit world
5) i WANNA FIGHT ELGAR'NAN let me fite elgar'nan this is my current #1 Dragon Age goal fITE ME elgernen (ง’̀-‘́)ง
I'm willing to bet money that this is exactly what will happen. I can't think of any other reason why they'd have the Well give you a geas if either Mythal or Solas with Mythal's power don't use it at some point. There'd be absolutely no reason otherwise. They'd just give you the Well, no strings attached if that geas never becomes important.
But, if it provides them a failsafe, in the event that you successfully redeem Solas before he brings down the Veil...
It's why I don't understand it when people say Flemythal's gonna stop Solas or something. She's probably counting on him. She's probably encouraging him. Flemeth's an awesome character and I can understand wanting her to "do the right thing," but let's be real, she's shady as hell. No way she's going to turn out to be a saint.
I look forward to catching up with you in four years when the next Dragon Age comes out and discussing how you were spot on with everything.
Also you are the cutest boxer.
thanks lethallan
o man o man if some of my.. not-ideal predictions come true ir abelas to the max lmao just remember I didn't write the story blame PW
thanks lethallan
o man o man if some of my.. not-ideal predictions come true ir abelas to the max lmao just remember I didn't write the story blame PW
I just want them to actually follow through with all of this stuff they've been threatening the world with for the past three games. It's like "Oh yeah, that cataclysm we've been hinting at happening with various plot anvils, codexes and scattered prophecies? It was really nbd. Any idiot and their ragtag band of heroes could have stopped it." I'm going to be incredibly disappointed if they pull the punch - and if that means either or both my Inquisitor and Solas die in the process, so be it.
I think what I'd be most annoyed by is if the Well decision turns out to be nothing. Drink? Don't drink? Meh, who cares. It didn't matter past a tense decision and using it to chat up some spirits in a Fade library.
This is assuming we ever see/use the Inquisitor again. If not... that's all it was for? Pfft.
I idly wonder if even if you can convince Solas to stop/change his mind/redeem him, The Thing will happen anyway. Couple reasons
1) lolo mythal indeed. flemythal wants vengeance and a reckoning, I presume on the evanuris who killed her. she can't get vengeance on them if they're cosily sealed away out of reach in jail. the reckoning that will shake the very heavens isnt gonna happen if the evanuris stay in jail.
2) hella prophecies on the shadows parting and the skies opening wide and everyone being as they were and the magic comin back and the prison is breached an encroaching darkness the shadow will consume all a hunger a cage a yawning void and remaking the world to suit his desires his chosen to reign pulling back the curtain let the light in let in burn and yeah. eleni zinovia, sandal, the ardent blossom faerie.. hella foreshadowing strap in everyone
3) future-thedas With Veil and Without Veil, if there are to be games after that choice, is just.. not practically doable. fine if its the final game in the series or whatever but it's not on the scale of Alistair or Random Standin, it's two vastly different worlds and all that implies.. Think Mass Effect 3's ending variations.
4) if the veil got torn down future storylines and stuff would just be soo interesting like think about it yass like i'm so here for a setting like in korra where she opened the portals to the spirit world
5) i WANNA FIGHT ELGAR'NAN let me fite elgar'nan this is my current #1 Dragon Age goal fITE ME elgernen (ง’̀-‘́)ง
Yeah, I know that the outcome is going to have to be the same for redeemers and stoppers alike. I am not certain that the prophecies, etc. must necessarily come to pass, though, because telanadas. I have mixed feelings about them deciding to completely alter the setting by tearing down the Veil, largely because I'm not sure what the post-Veil world would be like, and because there's still a lot about the Veiled world that I would like to know about. I'll probably be disappointed if I have to play a mage, because everyone post-Veil is mages, for example. At the same time, there could be a lot of interesting stories in the new setting as some of you have already mentioned.
I will be interested to see how Weekes and co. tackle this whole plotline because I can easily imagine large contingents of fans being angry/disappointed by either outcome.
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) Because, y'know spirits = booze? 
