Why would Flemeth be dead? If we know anything about her is that she doesn't need a physical body in order to come back.
But assuming she is, how do you think Mythal's goal would be carried out? Is Solas going to do it?
I think Mythal's identity as Flemeth could be dead.
As for Solas... he obviously features in her plans somehow, but we have no idea what those plans are.
Flemeth =/= Mythal.
It's unclear if Flemeth is still along for the ride with Mythal when Solas absorbed her. But it's unlikely we will hear Kate Mulgrew's voice again. That identity is dead.
Solas would do it. I think we'll see in the end that Solas is just a pawn. Right now he looks like he has all the cards and he has a lot of them, but the implication from the easter eggs in Trespasser and from Solas himself is that there is something much worse and much bigger. Whatever THAT is, I think is where Mythal may come again because for YEARS she has been setting up these pieces INCLUDING putting Solas back in play to deal with whatever the actual Big Bad is. She knew what he would do. How he would react. She knew he would come back to her. He's more powerful than a modern Thedosian mage, of course she would tag along with him. Regardless, at the end of the day she will be pulling the strings and it will be through him.
I don't even think Solas absorbed Mythal, just her power. If you go to Val Royeaux efter the end of the main game you can hear a servant speaking of a woman named Mythal calling to him in the Fade. So my personal opinion is that we haven't seen the last of Mythal, although we might possibly have seen the last of Flemeth (obviously we have seen her survive apparent death before, but at that point she had Mythal's powers...). I like Flemeth and would be happy to see her again, especially since we still don't really know that much about her backstory.
I don't even think Solas absorbed Mythal, just her power. If you go to Val Royeaux efter the end of the main game you can hear a servant speaking of a woman named Mythal calling to him in the Fade. So my personal opinion is that we haven't seen the last of Mythal, although we might possibly have seen the last of Flemeth (obviously we have seen her survive apparent death before, but at that point she had Mythal's powers...). I like Flemeth and would be happy to see her again, especially since we still don't really know that much about her backstory.
"Morrigan is the inheritor, she who awaits the next age." At least, according to an Urthemiel'd Kieran if he's in your worldstate. So if we see Mythal again, she's probably going to look a lot like Morrigan.
What I like about Flemeth/Mythal - and be extension the pantheon(do not doubt my devotion to the Sparkle Pantheon) - is that they are monstrously human. Mythal/Flemeth are fantastic characters. They are painted to be sort of all-knowing, wise, and righteous and well...god like but she is not. She has one goal. Revenge. That's it. That's all there is. She is consumed by her anger and her need to exact vengeance on whoever killed her. It's so destructive. And it makes for awesome story-telling.
As for the Mythal-elf. There is some weirdness to the timeline because it can happen before that. But even if you take that as a fluke - wouldn't it be easier for Solas to convince the elves to join him if he came in the form of the Loving/Protective mother goddess? You can manipulate the Fade and dreams into being anything. I think Mythal is alive. I think Solas is control of himself - I was merely opining that Mythal is manipulating Solas. She sets up events that she knows will goad Solas into action. And this is not to excuse Solas. It just is.
Yeah, I'm fully of the belief that Solas is a catspaw (or wolfspaw) to the nth degree. Even if he does have free will, he's ultimately working towards a goal that favors Mythal's ends.
Yeah, I'm fully of the belief that Solas is a catspaw (or wolfspaw) to the nth degree. Even if he does have free will, he's ultimately working towards a goal that favors Mythal's ends.
Nah - even if he's working for her (he's, after all "All New, Faded For HER" 
) I'm pretty sure Mythal is not just straightforwardly manipulating him. He's not a pawn as much as he's an active and conscious participant. He may not be entirely aware of all her goals, but he's not a puppet on a string either: he's aware she's alive and what's more, he appears to know her well and must be aware that - like him - She Has Plans as well.
I think we'd end up getting into an endless cycle "Does she know I know she knows..." and on and on. I think Solas is blinded by his...cause. I watched the ending to Trespasser again and he sounds INSANE. I mean I thought so a few months ago, but now he sounds so deluded. He's definitely refusing to take a step back and consider - which we all know since your Lavellan is like 'Umm..what are you doing?" I think he's aware of what she's capable of but I think he loves her and trusts her above anyone else. I truly do. I think she will screw him over. I think she will put him a position that will be against what he hopes to do(whatever that is) and that's what I don't think he'll see coming.
I think we'd end up getting into an endless cycle "Does she know I know she knows..." and on and on. I think Solas is blinded by his...cause. I watched the ending to Trespasser again and he sounds INSANE. I mean I thought so a few months ago, but now he sounds so deluded. He's definitely refusing to take a step back and consider - which we all know since your Lavellan is like 'Umm..what are you doing?" I think he's aware of what she's capable of but I think he loves her and trusts her above anyone else. I truly do. I think she will screw him over. I think she will put him a position that will be against what he hopes to do(whatever that is) and that's what I don't think he'll see coming.
Um... but he's perfectly aware what he's doing - or at least that he's aware what he's about to do is drastic/insane/world-changing/world-destroying. He tells that to us ourselves. He's perfectly aware that what he's about to do puts him in a league with Corypheus and the only defense he has is that he takes no joy in this. He sounds the opposite of insane or deluded, to me at least - he sounds more depressed, despairing and resigned to do something he thinks has to be done.
Also - while I think Mythal may do something he may not expect, I don't think she'll just "screw him over". Mythal's main goal may be revenge, but even that doesn't seem as simple as it appears to be, judging from hints scattered whenever we encounter her.
I think Flemeth is dead. Dead as a door-nail. Mythal found a more useful and powerful vessel...Solas. Mythal is still very much alive and it's her revenge story still.
But didn't Abelas mention that the Dread Wolf had nothing to do with her death? I don't see why she'd be seeking revenge on Solas...unless there's some deeper motive we don't yet know about? But I didn't see any animosity between the two when Solas met back up with Flemeth.
Flemeth =/= Mythal.
It's unclear if Flemeth is still along for the ride with Mythal when Solas absorbed her. But it's unlikely we will hear Kate Mulgrew's voice again. That identity is dead.
Solas would do it. I think we'll see in the end that Solas is just a pawn. Right now he looks like he has all the cards and he has a lot of them, but the implication from the easter eggs in Trespasser and from Solas himself is that there is something much worse and much bigger. Whatever THAT is, I think is where Mythal may come again because for YEARS she has been setting up these pieces INCLUDING putting Solas back in play to deal with whatever the actual Big Bad is. She knew what he would do. How he would react. She knew he would come back to her. He's more powerful than a modern Thedosian mage, of course she would tag along with him. Regardless, at the end of the day she will be pulling the strings and it will be through him.
But didn't Abelas mention that the Dread Wolf had nothing to do with her death? I don't see why she'd be seeking revenge on Solas...unless there's some deeper motive we don't yet know about? But I didn't see any animosity between the two when Solas met back up with Flemeth.
I think they mean Flemythal's vengeance on the Evanuris. They have to be freed from beyond the Veil for her to take her revenge on them.
I think we'd end up getting into an endless cycle "Does she know I know she knows..." and on and on. I think Solas is blinded by his...cause. I watched the ending to Trespasser again and he sounds INSANE. I mean I thought so a few months ago, but now he sounds so deluded. He's definitely refusing to take a step back and consider - which we all know since your Lavellan is like 'Umm..what are you doing?" I think he's aware of what she's capable of but I think he loves her and trusts her above anyone else. I truly do. I think she will screw him over. I think she will put him a position that will be against what he hopes to do(whatever that is) and that's what I don't think he'll see coming.
Yes, I know, he sounds completely insane, and everything he's doing goes contrary to what he's said he believes in previously. Those are not lightly held convictions, either. I feel like there has to be something else forcing his hand...
I just can't get over the Well scene and how vehement he was when you get back if you drank from it. He's angry, he's horrified. And this is Mythal, his lady, possibly once (or still) his master. He seems to know intimately what the geas entails. And you know, I realize most people disagree with me, I get it, I can speculate until I'm blue in the face, along with everyone else... and we could all end up being wrong.
Here's some nice meta though from benefaris on tumblr:
The Canticle of Exaltations: Prophecy Breakdown Edition
She went into why the Canticle of Exaltations is so important, if you want to see where the story will probably go, pretty well, I think. It's a shame I haven't seen more discussion about it, because I think what it describes will figure heavily into the next couple games.
I think they mean Flemythal's vengeance on the Evanuris. They have to be freed from beyond the Veil for her to take her revenge on them.
Yes, I know, he sounds completely insane, and everything he's doing goes contrary to what he's said he believes in previously. Those are not lightly held convictions, either. I feel like there has to be something else forcing his hand...
... The sorry state of the world isn't enough of a reason to force his hand, or at least a major one? Almost everything's a mess, the people are mere shadows of themselves (and he feels it's his his fault), mages and spirits are feared and persecuted and the world is at a constant threat of Blight and other horrors people have absolutely no clue how to defend themselves against. He readily admits (after ToM) that, by his assessment at least, the world now is WORSE then when it's been threatened by the greed of the Evanuris.
From his perspective, he has multitude of reasons to act and try and do something - what's tragic is that so far he sees no other way to do it, other than to do something drastic.
Desperate people do desperate things. Solas loves the Fade and genuinely appears to be avoiding violence and harming people if possible, but that still didn't stop him from going against many of his beliefs and creating the Veil, didn't it? There also appears that at that time there was no force existing that would directly coax of manipulate him create the Veil, other than sheer force of unfavorable circumstances.... so why assume there has to be something more than that?
So I'm going through the new additions on Netflix, when I see this film:
Naturally, we all know where my mind went.
I actually thought that was Solas in the poster wearing shades for a second... someone seriously needs to photoshop that, stat! 
But didn't Abelas mention that the Dread Wolf had nothing to do with her death? I don't see why she'd be seeking revenge on Solas...unless there's some deeper motive we don't yet know about? But I didn't see any animosity between the two when Solas met back up with Flemeth.
It's not revenge on Solas. It's revenge on whomever else - which we don't know yet. That's the next game's story. She's just using Solas as a tool to do that. I think they're goals will be the same up until a point. I don't think there is animosity either. Solas uses the Inquisitor even though he loves her or cares for them as a friend.
I think they mean Flemythal's vengeance on the Evanuris. They have to be freed from beyond the Veil for her to take her revenge on them.
Yes, I know, he sounds completely insane, and everything he's doing goes contrary to what he's said he believes in previously. Those are not lightly held convictions, either. I feel like there has to be something else forcing his hand...
I just can't get over the Well scene and how vehement he was when you get back if you drank from it. He's angry, he's horrified. And this is Mythal, his lady, possibly once (or still) his master. He seems to know intimately what the geas entails. And you know, I realize most people disagree with me, I get it, I can speculate until I'm blue in the face, along with everyone else... and we could all end up being wrong.
Here's some nice meta though from benefaris on tumblr:
The Canticle of Exaltations: Prophecy Breakdown Edition
She went into why the Canticle of Exaltations is so important, if you want to see where the story will probably go, pretty well, I think. It's a shame I haven't seen more discussion about it, because I think what it describes will figure heavily into the next couple games.
Oh no. I don't think anything is forcing his hand. I think this is what he believes, and whatever he's doing is the only way. Don't take what I saw as disparaging. He's pretty tragic. And he's def. my favorite character. My point is, is that he Mythal and him are on the same page. Solas thinks they are working in tandem and for the same goal. I think they are. Up to a point. I do think Mythal is pushing him to actions though that may NOT be in alignment with what he would like and I think in the end he's going to be betrayed. I don't know what they are. How they will happen. Call it a gut feeling.
Well, Flemeth wouldn't sacrifice herself and entrust Solas with Mythal's power if she didn't believe he would finish the job.
Yeah. That was my point.
I think we'd end up getting into an endless cycle "Does she know I know she knows..." and on and on. I think Solas is blinded by his...cause. I watched the ending to Trespasser again and he sounds INSANE. I mean I thought so a few months ago, but now he sounds so deluded. He's definitely refusing to take a step back and consider - which we all know since your Lavellan is like 'Umm..what are you doing?" I think he's aware of what she's capable of but I think he loves her and trusts her above anyone else. I truly do. I think she will screw him over. I think she will put him a position that will be against what he hopes to do(whatever that is) and that's what I don't think he'll see coming.
Hmm. My issue with this is, there's already a general feeling that Solas is a failure who screws up every time he tries. Not the best quality to have in a villain, you know? Not if you want your audience to take the villain seriously, at least. At some point they're going to have to give him some serious and resounding victory, if only to avoid the exact same issue they had with Corypheus.
I don't know. I hope they've actually learned from that mistake. And people seem to forget that Solas' plan in Trespasser went off without a hitch. But the fact remains that if they undermine him further, people are just going to call him the same thing they called Corypheus - pathetic.
As a fan of the guy, I think you can understand why I'd want to avoid that.
So, I can see Mythal knowing what Solas will do. I can see her planning around that in order to achieve her own ends. If they want to maintain Solas' credibility as an antagonist and a character, though, I think having Mythal stringing him along and maliciously using him would be a misstep, writing-wise. Call me biased.
I don't know. I hope they've actually learned from that mistake. And people seem to forget that Solas' plan in Trespasser went off without a hitch. But the fact remains that if they undermine him further, people are just going to call him the same thing they called Corypheus - pathetic.
As a fan of the guy, I think you can understand why I'd want to avoid that.
So, I can see Mythal knowing what Solas will do. I can see her planning around that in order to achieve her own ends. If they want to maintain Solas' credibility as an antagonist and a character, though, I think having Mythal stringing him along and maliciously using him would be a misstep, writing-wise. Call me biased.
Definitely this. After so much setup and DAI and Trespasser to go on, doing that, making him just some sort of puppet all along, would cheapen the character and storyline they've been building over three games.
Anders literally killed dozens of people including a Revered Mother and the fans (women especially) give him a free pass.. Solas says he wants to restore the world he messed up, and everyone wants him hanged. This fanbase is all messed up.
Definitely this. After so much setup and DAI and Trespasser to go on, doing that, making him just some sort of puppet all along, would cheapen the character and storyline they've been building over three games.
What? That the Evanuris were assholes and used whatever means necessary to keep their people under control and to gather more and more power? And Mythal will use any means necessary to destroy them, now that everybody has had a 3500 year time out? Cause that's what I'm seeing as at least part of the set up.
Solas is near and dear to my heart, and regardless of how it's done, he's going to get the bad end of whatever goes on between Mythal and the rest. At the moment, my most optimistic ending for him is that he might get to go back to the Fade as a spirit like Hakkon did at the end of JoH and maybe my inquisitor will get to take a spirit form and go with him, that would be wild.
Anders literally killed dozens of people including a Revered Mother and the fans (women especially) give him a free pass.. Solas says he wants to restore the world he messed up, and everyone wants him hanged. This fanbase is all messed up.
I often find that for those who didn't romance Anders, it's often the opposite reaction and people loathe him.
Which is ironic because a mage apostate who sets in motion a plan that lead to a church being destroyed and the death of an important religious figure and a bunch of people describes both Solas and Anders... and yet they get totally different treatment from the fans?
The only difference is that Anders carries out his plans personally rather than orchestrating them from behind the scenes, but it's essentially the same scenario at play both times when you really get down to it. So why does Anders get the hatred, when Solas' actions seem to get glossed over?
I think that's part of why a lot of people began to hate Solas following Trespasser, because everyone subconsciously realised;
"Oh my god, Solas is friggin' Anders!"
What? That the Evanuris were assholes and used whatever means necessary to keep their people under control and to gather more and more power? And Mythal will use any means necessary to destroy them, now that everybody has had a 3500 year time out? Cause that's what I'm seeing as at least part of the set up.
But... we don't really know what is Mythal's idea of revenge, do we? She was a goddess of justice at her time, and considered by Solas to be the voice of reason who cared for her people - NOT some sort of wild force as Elgar'nan is portrayed to be.
What if the best revenge against Evanuris is ensuring that the world thrives, for example? She isn't raising Morrigan to be her inheritor for no reason.
Anders literally killed dozens of people including a Revered Mother and the fans (women especially) give him a free pass.. Solas says he wants to restore the world he messed up, and everyone wants him hanged. This fanbase is all messed up.
Well, to be perfectly fair, the scale and consequences of both actions is kind of incomparable.
What "saves" Solas so far from being pretty irredeemable is both the lack of details of what his plan truly entails and all the motives behind it, and the fact that he hasn't yet carried it out AND appears to want Inky to stop him/prove him wrong.
That and his willingness to minimize casualties, both in him risking everything to join Inquisition in order to fix the Breach and during Trespasser is also a plus. He could have easily let the Qunari carry out their plan, or trapped/killed the Inquisitor after they clean his eluvian network from vermin... and he didn't. He goes as far as saving the South and Inquisition - and Inquisitor as well, even the one he dislikes. He even lets them know who he really is and what he intends to do - what a considerate villain he is 
...Next thing I expect him to do is to send Inquisitor a birthday card with a 20% discount coupon to purchase goods in Black Emporium! ("You'll be needing that artifact, you know!")
Solas and Anders are, or were, both desperate to create change or fix what they see as irredeemably broken. They are also willing to do whatever is necessary to make it happen. Corruption by/of Justice aside, does anyone really believe a man who hid in the sewage with the rats to help the most unfortunate people of Kirkwall relished the idea of killing people? Maybe blowing up templars was fine by him, but he wouldn't be fool enough to think that innocents would be safe. He did what he did anyway. Something drove him, he had to do it. Seems the same will end up true for Solas. People really see them as being that different in the end?
It's not a free pass for either of them on my part. You don't have to agree with what a person does to understand where they are coming from.
Something drove him, he had to do it. Seems the same will end up true for Solas. People really see them as being that different in the end?
It's not a free pass for either of them on my part. You don't have to agree with what a person does to understand where they are coming from.
Anders had a spirit inside of him influencing his actions. To what degree, I think depends on how you played him. Mythal is a god of justice as well... hmmmm. Well, maybe he's possessed too, I keep getting that argument on my dash along with the others.
Hmm. My issue with this is, there's already a general feeling that Solas is a failure who screws up every time he tries. Not the best quality to have in a villain, you know? Not if you want your audience to take the villain seriously, at least. At some point they're going to have to give him some serious and resounding victory, if only to avoid the exact same issue they had with Corypheus.
I don't know. I hope they've actually learned from that mistake. And people seem to forget that Solas' plan in Trespasser went off without a hitch. But the fact remains that if they undermine him further, people are just going to call him the same thing they called Corypheus - pathetic.
As a fan of the guy, I think you can understand why I'd want to avoid that.
So, I can see Mythal knowing what Solas will do. I can see her planning around that in order to achieve her own ends. If they want to maintain Solas' credibility as an antagonist and a character, though, I think having Mythal stringing him along and maliciously using him would be a misstep, writing-wise. Call me biased.
A few things:
1. I like Solas - Most of my time on this forum has been in this thread talking about it. You're fan. I'm a fan. We're all fans here.
2. I disagree. I never thought Solas was a ****-up. I think he's someone who makes sweepingly bad decision because he thinks he knows better. I don't think that's bad story-telling. That's just like...your opinion man. To quote The Dude. Solas is very intelligent. His plan goes off without a hitch. You are right. But have him hamstrung by his mentor no less at the final stretch because their paths suddenly diverge would be heartbreaking to him. He caused all this pain - which we know he didn't want to inflict - to have it go wrong. IMHO that's pretty tragic. Not pathetic. Solas mantains his credibility as an antagonist because he's doing something AGAINST the protagonist(you) because you are allowed no choice BUT to try and stop him. But again that's just like my opinion.
3. Corypheus was only pathetic because the writing was bad. Corypheus was supposed to be a tragic villain. He broke into the Fade to meet his God to prove that Dumat was real and to serve him. Because Corypheus was faithful. When he got there it was empty. He lost his faith. The chantry story of the blight was supposed to be a horror story about what happens if you lose your faith in the maker. The blight - according to the Chantry - is disbelief made flesh.
ANYWAYS - So by the end of DAI - when he calls out to his god and you kill him. He dies believing again. All of this HAS to be gleaned from supplemental material so it's poor writing. But you even see hints of that in codex entries. Again, this is bad writing and yes he came off sort of silly but even according to the devs he was supposed to be tragic.
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