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[Ellawynn]

On a silly note, the sound for the spell Solas cast to magically amputate your arm reminds me of the Muffle spell from Elder Scrolls Skyrim. Really. just listen to it and compare it to the Muffle spell. It even has the same colors. I only realized this because I used the Muffle spell a lot since I played as an Illusionist Bosmer Archer.

 

Why would you even need Muffle every enemy in the game's blind as a bat.

 

I knew it was familiar! That's probably my most cast spell thanks to the 'level illusion, reset illusion' levelling technique.

 

Oh. That's why.

 

Y'all Skyrim-playin' whippersnappers. Back in my day acrobatics was the go-to level grinding skill.

[midnight tea]

Y'all Skyrim-playin' whippersnappers. Back in my day acrobatics was the go-to level grinding skill.

 

In Oblivion? Uh, don't remind me...

[Ellawynn]

In Oblivion? Uh, don't remind me...

 

I *liked* frolicking and leaping across the countryside. It was liberating. 

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Sad Solavellan Trespasser artwork (with a crying Solas.)

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Source: http://dearasteria.t...st/139736535734

 

 

A cute scene from Looking Glass. 

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Source: http://hamstershepar...feynites-took-a

 

 

Bonus:

 

 

Inquisitor Drawing Meme: What this artist's happy ending would look like for her Lavellan. (WIP)

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Source: http://destinyaposta...drawing-thing-d

 

 

Solas' definition of lying.

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Source: http://eggsquisite-d...hole-based-on-x

 

 

A corrupt Fen'Harel. 

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Source: http://inquisiliciou...ut-at-what-cost

 

 

Angry apostate husband.

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Source: http://rollerderbysa...te-husband-in-a

 

[Caddius]

It does raise some questions though, given that the Renaissance was started and influenced by the rediscovery of Classical culture. But what qualifies as Classical culture for Thedas? Ancient Tevinter? Elvhenan? How is it being rediscovered, and incorporated into current Thedosian culture? 

 

...That does make current events a bit ironic though, especially if Elvhenan is the supposed to the be the Thedosian equivalent of ancient Rome. Someone should tell Solas that no one meant the term "Renaissance" to be taken literally. 

 

(That also says interesting things about how we think of Tevinter - obviously modern Tevinter is Byzantine, and in terms of how it basically whole-sale copied a previous culture, ancient Tevinter could've been Rome as well, which would make Elvhenan the Greeks (Probably Athens if we're being specific.) But Athens never saw a whole of expansion, and it certainly never had control over a significant portion of the continent. Hmm. And it is Elvhenan's... "rediscovery," (To put what Solas plans to do lightly) that will bring in the new age.)

A group of quarrelsome city-states united into a militaristic empire in order to take out another rival empire, that descends into centuries of warring with each other, only to be conquered by some jackasses in togas?

Greece and Rome work as broad analogues for Arlathan and Tevinter if you take the Macedonians to be the Evanuris.

 

I'm not entirely sure, but I think Varric makes some mention of a printing press, which would go a long way to explaining the books being everywhere. The other explanation is just that the writers want to give us lore and codex entries, and maybe goes a little overboard.

Thedas's level of technology definitely doesn't follow the Earth model, thanks to the presence of magic. The Qunari, having restricted themselves from using too much magic, have cannons and the beginnings of chemical warfare. China had these things for centuries before Europeans got their hands on them. 

I'm in the camp of thinking that the Renaissance wasn't fueled entirely by the discovery of the classics. It certainly played a large role, but we can't discount the role of increasingly centralized states being willing to fund all this research, the eventual printing press's role. With juggernauts like Orlais, Nevarra, and Tevinter happy to shell out the coin to increase their prestige against their rivals, I can see there being an intellectual flowering in Thedas, likely further fueled by the dwarves getting their act together, the Qunari Wars of previous centuries showing what technology can do, and the usual competition. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

This post and picture made me laugh really hard.

 

Picture:-

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Link - http://41.media.tumb...tfpoo1_1280.jpg

[Ellawynn]

A group of quarrelsome city-states united into a militaristic empire in order to take out another rival empire, that descends into centuries of warring with each other, only to be conquered by some jackasses in togas?

Greece and Rome work as broad analogues for Arlathan and Tevinter if you take the Macedonians to be the Evanuris.

 

I actually had a somewhat similar thought after I posted that - if you consider each Evanuris (Evanura? Evanuri?) and their followers to have been their own city-state. Athens as the juggernaut of philosophy and culture that reflects Solas' (And likely Mythal's) view of Arlathan, but with other, more militaristic city-states like Mycenae and Sparta as parallels for Andruil, Falon'Din, etc. And Macedonia did expand all the way out to India. Didn't last very long, but they managed it.

 

I wish I could expand upon the idea more, but most of my knowledge of Greek history comes from Greek myth which is... not exactly a reliable historical record. That and it didn't seem like there was a whole lot of interest in the discussion.

 

 

 

I'm not entirely sure, but I think Varric makes some mention of a printing press, which would go a long way to explaining the books being everywhere. The other explanation is just that the writers want to give us lore and codex entries, and maybe goes a little overboard.

Thedas's level of technology definitely doesn't follow the Earth model, thanks to the presence of magic. The Qunari, having restricted themselves from using too much magic, have cannons and the beginnings of chemical warfare. China had these things for centuries before Europeans got their hands on them. 

I'm in the camp of thinking that the Renaissance wasn't fueled entirely by the discovery of the classics. It certainly played a large role, but we can't discount the role of increasingly centralized states being willing to fund all this research, the eventual printing press's role. With juggernauts like Orlais, Nevarra, and Tevinter happy to shell out the coin to increase their prestige against their rivals, I can see there being an intellectual flowering in Thedas, likely further fueled by the dwarves getting their act together, the Qunari Wars of previous centuries showing what technology can do, and the usual competition. 

 

 

Maybe. If knowledge and technology can be claimed from the Qunari and Dwarves (Which isn't impossible, given how there's almost certainly going to be a war with the Qunari at least.) But I doubt either would share their advancements willingly, since Dwarven culture makes extensive contact with surfacers difficult and the Qunari obviously aren't going to start handing their advantages over to the enemy.

 

But... writing this out has made me wonder something. I don't think we should be looking at technology as the.. heart (?) of a potential Thedosian Renaissance. It'll play an aspect, sure, and if we assume that period's already started, then it's probably progressing already. It's magical knowledge and progress that made past civilizations like Tevinter and Arlathan great. It's magical knowledge and progress that's currently being stunted and repressed by the setting's Christian Church expy. And it's magical knowledge and progress that Solas is trying to restore and advance. So I think, at least as far as parallels to the Renaissance go, magic will be far important than copies of our real-world technology. 

 

And I know this is getting into that whole magic vs. technology debate from a while back, so I want to be clear that I'm not saying the technology's unimportant, or won't be advanced as well (Well, it probably won't if Solas murders everyone who knows anything about that stuff, but details, details.). I'm just saying that, if any sort of intellectual flowering takes place, magic and what can be done with it will be a much bigger factor than anything else.

 

...But all this talk of Solas' plot being a sort of parallel to the Renaissance just makes Orlais' Regency flair even more questionable. Before I was just willing to chalk it up to the writers' using a kitchen sink version of European history, now it seems more like they carefully crafted a Renaissance metaphor, only to have Orlais skip a few centuries into the 1700s. 

 

*Sigh* Give me back your empresses and masquerade balls, Orlais, you'll get them back when you've suffered through three or four centuries of cultural revolution. And at least one possible apocalypse.

[Caddius]

Simple explanation: Orlais is just that cutting edge when it comes to fashion.

[Cee]

Nirwen's default look includes dark lipstick. I'll have to explain it somehow. I was thinking some sort of Orlesian connection (Clan Lavellan do have the abovementioned relations with humans, and I've already headcanoned her father is a merchant and she spent time traveling with him and gaining certain skills that prepared her for the whole Conclave mission, so I can definitely figure out how to explain lipstick)

[Cee]

This post and picture made me laugh really hard.

 

Picture:-

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Link - http://41.media.tumb...tfpoo1_1280.jpg

 

I didn't like Morrigan, and played a woman, so I was saved from most Morrigan angst (except for the whole Amaya has some resentment for her for having Alistair's child when she can't, though she did convince him to do it, so that's a complicated web for the Ferelden royals in my world), and after Anders...Solas, you unexpectedly smooth elf.

 

[Addictress]

This post and picture made me laugh really hard.

Picture:-

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Link - http://41.media.tumb...tfpoo1_1280.jpg

I always thought Isabela should fit in the blank space on the right.

[German Soldier]

Greetings to all Solas fans.

This is my first post in the Solas section i need to understand something.

Solas absorbed Mythal or not?

If not why Solas treated Flemeth as if she was Mythal in the ending if Flemeth sent her soul into the Eluvian before of his arrival?

[dawnstone]

 

Greetings to all Solas fans.

This is my first post in the Solas section i need to understand something.

Solas absorbed Mythal or not?

If not why Solas treated Flemeth as if she was Mythal in the ending if Flemeth sent her soul into the Eluvian before of his arrival?

 

The honest answer is that we do not know exactly what happened there, and it has been a subject of debate since the game was first released. Flemeth did carry Mythal's spirit, and it seems highly likely that she pushed at least a fragment of Mythal into the eluvian for safekeeping.

 

There are two common ways of viewing the scene overall:

1. After Flemythal deposited some part of herself (or whatever the mysterious ball of light was) into an eluvian, Solas showed up, clearly perturbed and upset, and was allowed by Flemythal to take her power for his own purposes, rendering her a lifeless husk.

 

2. After Flemythal deposited some part of herself (or whatever the mysterious ball of light was) into an eluvian, Solas showed up, clearly perturbed and upset, to meet with Flemythal, and she combined herself with him, or took him over, leaving her old body a lifeless husk.

 

The first version tends to be the more popular reading of the scene.

[Barnzi88]

 

Greetings to all Solas fans.

This is my first post in the Solas section i need to understand something.

Solas absorbed Mythal or not?

If not why Solas treated Flemeth as if she was Mythal in the ending if Flemeth sent her soul into the Eluvian before of his arrival?

 

 

Hello German Soldier, and a very warm welcome to the Blanketfort 

Solas just absorbed her powers from the looks of it, but not Mythal herself. Like Dawnstone above mentioned, Flemeth just became a lifeless husk. But she was always one step ahead of everyone else, just in case something happens to the body hosting the wisp of Mythal she sends a part of her somewhere else.

 

Solas even mentions that he is himself, as he had always been.

 

 

EDIT: I seriously hate being auto-corrected all the the damn time...sheesh.

[Caddius]

I believe the dev notes for that scene indicate that she passed on the essence of her godhood onto Morrigan, this being the light she puts into the Eluvian. Then she passes on the raw accumulated power to Solas. Presumably Solas already has all the knowledge he needs, while Morrigan could use the ancient lore of Elvenhan.

Of course, dev notes aren't hard and fast canon, they're what they were working with at the time, and it's devoid of a lot of context. But for now, that first explanation seems the best one.

Welcome to the Blanket Fort.

[dawnstone]

I believe the dev notes for that scene indicate that she passed on the essence of her godhood onto Morrigan, this being the light she puts into the Eluvian. Then she passes on the raw accumulated power to Solas. Presumably Solas already has all the knowledge he needs, while Morrigan could use the ancient lore of Elvenhan.

Of course, dev notes aren't hard and fast canon, they're what they were working with at the time, and it's devoid of a lot of context. But for now, that first explanation seems the best one.

Welcome to the Blanket Fort.

Yeah, I like to believe that what the dev notes say is true, because it's interesting and it helps things make more sense - but(I think maybe it was Gaider), one of the devs said to take anything mined from the notes with a grain of salt, and that things could change greatly from game to game. We'll just have to wait and see what they do with it.

[German Soldier]

Who Knows if they want to address the old god soul or not in the future,if not why bother to build the whole scene of the fade?

 Solas said that he is himself so he does not carry any other soul inside of him apparently

Neither Mythal and neither the archdemon soul are with him.....then where is the archdemon soul?

[Barnzi88]

 

Who Knows if they want to address the old god soul or not in the future,if not why bother to build the whole scene of the fade?

 Solas said that he is himself so he does not carry any other soul inside of him apparently

Neither Mythal and neither the archdemon soul are with him.....then where is the archdemon soul?

 

 

I'm not quite sure, honestly.

 

I always assumed after Flemeth took it with her she sent it through the mirror along with a shard of herself, that is if you had Kieran born with the soul to begin with. And why she even needed the old god soul in the first place, aside from Morrigan saying that she hopes to 'preserve the old magics', remains to be answered.

Dammit, I wish we could have asked Solas in Trespasser what was his deal with the Grey Wardens and why offing all Archdemons wasn't a good move. Let me guess: Save for it the next instalment.

[midnight tea]

I *liked* frolicking and leaping across the countryside. It was liberating. 

 

LOL, for me it's just... I can't believe we reached a time where playing Oblivion is "back in the OLD DAYS..."

[thaali]

I *liked* frolicking and leaping across the countryside. It was liberating. 

 

Me too... I miss my frolicking Oblivion days

 

I'm not quite sure, honestly.

 

I always assumed after Flemeth took it with her she sent it through the mirror along with a shard of herself, that is if you had Kieran born with the soul to begin with. And why she even needed the old god soul in the first place, aside from Morrigan saying that she hopes to 'preserve the old magics', remains to be answered.

Dammit, I wish we could have asked Solas in Trespasser what was his deal with the Grey Wardens and why offing all Archdemons wasn't a good move. Let me guess: Save for it the next instalment.

 

Given his answer to one question where he says that it would be too easy to tell too much I doubt he would have told us even if we could have asked.

[German Soldier]

 

Dammit, I wish we could have asked Solas in Trespasser what was his deal with the Grey Wardens and why offing all Archdemons wasn't a good move. Let me guess: Save for it the next instalment.

To be honest i do not know if Solas care for the old gods,since in banter with Cassandra he pretty much ridicules the notion of defining them as gods

He doesn't like the GW probably for other reasons.

[midnight tea]

To be honest i do not know if Solas care for the old gods,since in banter with Cassandra he pretty much ridicules the notion of defining them as gods

 

Just because he ridicules the notion of defining them as gods doesn't mean that he doesn't care about them. Evanuris were not technically gods, yet Solas was forced to construct the Veil and effectively change the world in order to not let them destroy it.

 

Just because a threat isn't godlike or divine in nature doesn't make it less of a threat, or - alternatively - perhaps an important element of the world.

 

...Especially that we can reasonably suspect that either Old Gods, or something claiming as being them, are largely responsible for making humans unleash the Blight on modern Thedas.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Just because he ridicules the notion of defining them as gods doesn't mean that he doesn't care about them. Evanuris were not technically gods, yet Solas was forced to construct the Veil and effectively change the world in order to not let them destroy it.

 

Just because a threat isn't godlike or divine in nature doesn't make it less of a threat, or - alternatively - perhaps an important element of the world.

 

...Especially that we can reasonably suspect that either Old Gods, or something claiming as being them, are largely responsible for making humans unleash the Blight on modern Thedas.

 

The funny thing about the Old Gods is that Solas says nothing ties them to his people yet Mythal was almost obsessive in her desire for Urthemiel's soul if Morrigan and the Warden preserved it via Kieran.

 

Much has been mentioned about Elves and Dwarves but we don't know much about the origins and true nature of Dragons. However, we do know from Yavana that they reigned during the pre-Veil days and they can actually communicate using their own brand of language.

 

From the comic Dragon Age: Those Who Speak (I don't know if they are canon but its something to consider)

 

Sten as the new Arishok of the Qunari, mentions to King Alistair that the Tome of Koslun also speaks about the ancient Tevinter Imperium and the Old Gods. He explicitly says that "the Old Gods were like unto dragons, as the first human kings were like unto ordinary men".

 

I actually think that the Old Gods were the most powerful members of the Theodosian Dragons as a species. The Alphas of the Dragon species. Perhaps they could be the progenitor of the Dragon species, in the same way the Evanuris were the first of the Elvhen. Hence their power and hence the fact that their identities seems to be tied to the constellations.

 

There is also the possibility that there is another Old God but stricken from Tevinter history - http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Draconis

 

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[Illyria]

Why would you even need Muffle every enemy in the game's blind as a bat.

 

 

Oh. That's why.

 

Y'all Skyrim-playin' whippersnappers. Back in my day acrobatics was the go-to level grinding skill.

 

With the mods I have installed Muffle and Invisbility aren't 'make sneaking easy' but 'I need this these so I don't get spotted'.

 

Well, it's definitely not a default angle we see in the cinematic. 

 

The default one is this:

 

 

Alternatively there are videos on youtube with a full scene. Nope, we can't see that:

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Right.  That's what I thought.

 

It's best not to over-analysis stuff we're not meant to see.

[Ellawynn]

LOL, for me it's just... I can't believe we reached a time where playing Oblivion is "back in the OLD DAYS..."

 

Well if we're getting really back in my day, every skill was a grind skill, because enemies don't really scale in Morrowind so if you wanted to level up you could just go back to Seyda Neen and punch mud crabs all day.

 

Before that there's no days to go back to. Morrowind was my first Elder Scrolls love.