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[CapricornSun]

One of the things that always bored me ... yes, bored me ... about the ES games I've played (Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim) was well ... ok, I find the stories lacking.  They do not engage me as much as most BioWare games do.  Also, I very much enjoy the crew/squad/companions we get in the BioWare games.  So, yeah a combination of the open worldness (that is a word!) of ES games and the story/companions of BW games would be pretty amazing.  Fallout 4 took some minor steps in that direction with the voiced PC (I'm addicted to voiced PCs now)  and the more fleshed out companions.

 

Honestly, I think for the kind of games that BioWare does, DAI came really close to the mark.  The actual world itself is just too large for a true open world.  And to be honest, when I first played DAI, I was totally amazed at the number of areas that opened up after you get to Skyhold.  Before Skyhold:  Hinterlands, Storm Coast, Fallow Marsh, Forbidden Oasis.  After Skyhold add in:  Crestwood, the Western Approach, Exalted Plains, Emerald Graves, Emprise du Lion, Hissing Wastes.  And these are not small areas, like Lothering or Redcliffe were in DAO.  Although I would have loved it if Val Royeaux had been larger and you were able to explore more of the city.

 

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I enjoy ES games and Bioware games for different reasons. Like Ellawynn, I enjoy ES games for the exploration. I love wandering around in ES games and stumbling on quests or just basically do anything you want -- What is this house doing in the middle of the woods? Does it belong to bandits? Or does it belong to a friendly NPC? Oooh! What's in this cave? Hmm, the note says there's treasure in this abandoned castle on the cliff, maybe I should go treasure hunting. Maybe I should just steal all the silverware and sell them off to a fence (which is what I did in Oblivion ).

 

And the stories aren't as brilliant as the ones in Bioware games nor are the companions as compelling, but damn, there's just something addictive about those games. (I just find it fun to RP.)

 

Bioware makes amazing stories and are great at writing companions which is one of the reasons I play their games. And yes, Bioware tried to mix the open world stuff into their DA games, which is an interesting experiment, but like you, I feel like the areas are too big. Maybe for a DA game this formula doesn't work too well. I didn't really mind it much, but maybe for DA4, Bioware could try focusing more on the story and companions and less on the big open areas.

 

You mentioned Fallout 4 taking a minor step in that direction and while I agree the voiced PC is interesting and the companions are a bit more fleshed out, they sacrificed a lot of things that made me love the previous Fallout games (Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas) -- Not enough interesting dialogue choices when you talk to NPCs (I can't RP my Sole Survivor the way I want to) and a lack of sidequests. 

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Another beautiful Solavellan art based on Gustav Klimt's The Kiss.

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Source: http://myblackangelu...st/139816340015

 

 

Close-up: 

 

Source: http://myblackangelu...sed-on-the-kiss

 

 

'Accidentuendo.' Modern AU Solavellan where Lavellan makes an accidental innuendo.

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Source: http://solavellangar...n-the-modern-au

 

 

Lavellan in so much pain after Solas left.

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Source: http://borderbipolin...eep-hear-me-now

 

 

Pretty fancy outfit designs for Solas and Lavellan based on sunset and daybreak.

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Source: http://vladimirka.tu...hout-shitty-ass

 

 

Adorable Solavellan picture. 

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Source: http://lillotte17.tu...i-is-sitting-on

 

 

CatDay Solavellan.

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Source: http://athousanddayy...ay-solalevellan

 

 

Solavellan sketches.

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Source: http://anotheramazed...-in-my-folder-i

 

 

More progress on that wonderful sculpture of Solas' head.

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Source: http://fenedhiss.tum...-i-redid-almost

 

[Ellawynn]

 

You mentioned Fallout 4 taking a minor step in that direction and while I agree the voiced PC is interesting and the companions are a bit more fleshed out, they sacrificed a lot of things that made me love the previous Fallout games -- Not enough interesting dialogue choices when you talk to NPCs (I can't RP my Sole Survivor the way I want to) and a lack of sidequests. 

 

Yeah, voiced PCs are a nice luxury, but more often then not they mean a lot less content and dialogue options. I'm one of the fans who'd happily return to a silent protagonist for DA, especially if it means more conversations with my companions. Inquisition was a vast improvement over DA2, as far as allowing us to talk to companions go, but I still get the feeling like you don't really get to know your companions unless you romance them. Compare to Origins, where it really felt like you got to know your companions - probably because you could ask them no end of random questions about their lives. It's why I play my Inquisitor has having a very distant, professional relationship with most of the companions, because I felt like she really only connected with Cass, Cole and Solas. Well, and Josephine, but she's an advisor.

 

Personally, I was never into Bethesda's Fallout (I haven't played the Black Isle ones.) I tried 3 and just couldn't get into it. New Vegas though, New Vegas was great. Makes me wish Bethesda would hand Fallout off to Obsidian and focus on ES or publishing for other studios.

[Ardent Blossom]

I'm just going to plop this here before I fade away. I thought you all my appreciate it. I stumbled upon some interesting info on eggs in a Wiki for Creirwy (how I ended up there is a long story). Anyway...

 

"For the ancient Druids, the mundane egg allegedly symbolized chaos, the beginning of all things, and upon it oaths were administered."

 

Hmmm...This prompted me to go on a little google trip, and I found this.

The image is from an article by Helen Benigni on SequaniCalendar. It seems the eggs were symbols of lunar cycles, renewal, and the link between the mortal and immortal--the link between the "Earthworld" and the "Otherworld." In some stories they possessed such power that one in possession of a Druid's Egg would have the ability to obtain nearly anything.

 

You can also read more about Druid Eggs here and here. Something called Adder's Stones can be synonymous with Druid's Eggs, but they are spherical and have a hole in the middle. Adder's Stones were supposed to have magical powers. Honestly the egg thing is what initially caught my attention, but the more I read the more it seemed linked to all things elfy. I know most of us thought that Solas' orb might have "finger prints" on it, but perhaps these eggs were an inspiration?

 

That is all. Carry on.

[Elessara]

I enjoy ES games and Bioware games for different reasons. Like Ellawynn, I enjoy ES games for the exploration. I love wandering around in ES games and stumbling on quests or just basically do anything you want -- What is this house doing in the middle of the woods? Does it belong to bandits? Or does it belong to a friendly NPC? Oooh! What's in this cave? Hmm, the note says there's treasure in this abandoned castle on the cliff, maybe I should go treasure hunting. Maybe I should just steal all the silverware and sell them off to a fence (which is what I did in Oblivion ).

 

And the stories aren't as brilliant as the ones in Bioware games nor are the companions as compelling, but damn, there's just something addictive about those games. (I just find it fun to RP.)

 

Bioware makes amazing stories and are great at writing companions which is one of the reasons I play their games. And yes, Bioware tried to mix the open world stuff into their DA games, which is an interesting experiment, but like you, I feel like the areas are too big. Maybe for a DA game this formula doesn't work too well. I didn't really mind it much, but maybe for DA4, Bioware could try focusing more on the story and companions and less on the big open areas.

 

You mentioned Fallout 4 taking a minor step in that direction and while I agree the voiced PC is interesting and the companions are a bit more fleshed out, they sacrificed a lot of things that made me love the previous Fallout games (Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas) -- Not enough interesting dialogue choices when you talk to NPCs (I can't RP my Sole Survivor the way I want to) and a lack of sidequests. 

 

 

But Capricorn!  The endless radiant quests!  They are ... endless.  ENDLESS .. *shoots self*.  Some of the dialogue options in the non-voiced games were hilarious.

 

Yeah tbh, I'd really prefer that each developer stick to their strengths.  I mean, obviously I've played the ES and FO games.  For hours.  And I agree with Ellawynn about exploration, it's really fun.  It's just with the Bethesda games, once I've found everything I (personally) have little reason to go back and replay them.  I think the most I've played Skyrim is 3 times.

 

It would definitely be way too expensive to make a true merger of open world Bethesda with story/companion BioWare.  But it's fun to think about.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Swolas. By kallielef.

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...logize-for-that

 

 

Elf doodles. (Solas and Lavellan)

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Source: http://destinyaposta...elt-the-need-to

 

 

Adorable art of Lavellan hiding underneath Solas' sweater from the modern AU fic Meet The Family.

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Source: http://athousanddayy...s-and-sprinkles

 

 

Dad Solas.

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Source: http://thebitchofthe...59107/dad-solas

 

[CapricornSun]

But Capricorn!  The endless radiant quests!  They are ... endless.  ENDLESS .. *shoots self*.  Some of the dialogue options in the non-voiced games were hilarious.

 

Yeah tbh, I'd really prefer that each developer stick to their strengths.  I mean, obviously I've played the ES and FO games.  For hours.  And I agree with Ellawynn about exploration, it's really fun.  It's just with the Bethesda games, once I've found everything I (personally) have little reason to go back and replay them.  I think the most I've played Skyrim is 3 times.

 

It would definitely be way too expensive to make a true merger of open world Bethesda with story/companion BioWare.  But it's fun to think about.

 

Re: radiant quests, I was about to make a Preston Garvey joke. And I missed having perk-specific dialogue choices in Fallout 4. (Where the hell are my Black Widow dialogue choices, Bethesda?!)

 

But yes, if someone made a perfect merger of Bethesda's open world with Bioware's story and companions I'd be all over that.

[Addictress]

When I played Skyrim, I had never experienced anything like it before. Every new landmark, every new dungeon. It was thrilling and rare and precious and I will never forget the unique excitement and genuine curiosity I felt discovering every new place and the suspense of progressing through every unique dungeon. There will never be a gaming experience like that again.

That said, I could only play it two or three times as the Skyrim experience relied heavily on the enchantment of discovery. It is at the end of the day a lonely game, and it also takes a particular mood to enjoy it. The required mood is fleeting for me, though more permanent for some, but I would not underestimate the power it holds when the right conditions exist. Now it's too lonely for me.

[almasy87]

Trespasser: Gorgeous artwork of Solas carrying Lavellan into the Eluvian. 

 

 

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awesome posable figure as reference! (I need one of those...)

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my god.

That thing is beautiful!!!!!!!!

It reminds me of something similar I've been planning to draw where he carries her like that, but instead of being a single drawing it would be 4 pages with dialogues etc.. I've already planned out the pages layout, all the dialogues etc, but it would require me to draw Solas 13 times, Lavellan 4 times, Cassandra 6 times, Cole 2 times and and Dorian 1, (all in different sizes) plus all the environment etc... so knowing how lazy and slow I am it would take me months to do this         So I keep delaying and delaying it... And one day someone is gonna do something similar and then I will hate myself forever for not doing it first XD


Also, that posable figurine... it's amazing! I want one!

[Illyria]

I started playing the Elder Scrolls with Morrowind.

 

Call me petty but I found the elves in the single player ES games to be particularly unattractive.  And the Argonians.  The Khajit were ok looking.  But mostly I played humans in those games.  In ESO I played an Altmer and a Dunmer.  I also rolled a Bosmer that I never really got around to playing.  Ditto with the Imperial.

 

I started with Oblivion.  I came really late to PC gaming so Skyrim was already out + had the ultimate edition when I got Oblivion.  I played a dunmer in that because I didn't like the bonus for the altmer, but now I'm a bosmer thief in Oblivion.  Still haven't completed it.

 

I recommed etheral elven overhaul for the elves in Skyrim.  It keeps the otherworldyness of the them but they're less of an eyesore.

 

Altmer are a tad bit too pompous for me. But their women look exotic. I am still mad that Bethesda remove the quest that would allow players to marry either Faralda or Niranye, leaving us stuck with Taarie.

 

 

That's the best part about Elder Scrolls Elves. They are species of exotic bipedal humanoids. They are not just better versions of humans. They are not pretty but they are badasses.
 

 

My altmer is a rogue and a thief (and she'll tempt your fate) married to a lesbian nord bard.  She could not give a crap about the Aldmeri Dominion or the Thalmor or anything.  She just wants to get rich and have fun.

 

Oblivion was a first RPG for me, so it'll always look at it with nostalgia... And I really have to laugh about it, because back when I began playing and finding stuff about, say mods or leveling on some forums, there were these "huh, they don't make games as they used to anymore" or "Previous game was so much better!" threads I kept stumbling upon.

 

...Funny how it still happens with almost every game I play almost a decade later  Sometimes people are such predictable creatures, it's funny

 

 

 

Dunmer for me, predominantly I played with Altmers and Bretons quite a few times too.

 

I'm looking forward to ESO6 so people can say 'remember how good Skyrim was'.

 

(I am a tad worried about that game because I really don't want Bethesda to go the same route as FO4 and its 'streamlined' levelling+voiced PC).

[Bayonet Hipshot]

My altmer is a rogue and a thief (and she'll tempt your fate) married to a lesbian nord bard.  She could not give a crap about the Aldmeri Dominion or the Thalmor or anything.  She just wants to get rich and have fun.

 

A non magical Altmer ? But Highborn & +50 magicka boost ?

 

 

[Illyria]

A non magical Altmer ? But Highborn & +50 magicka boost ?

 

She uses illusion magic (mostly because I play by guild rules, so no killing unless it can't be avoided.  Illusion magic is needed for this) but her main skills are all rogue related (sneak, pickpocket, archery, lockpicking).  I also use a race/class mod so her starting racial skills are a little different (still geared towards magic though) but her rogue skills level up twice as fast due to her class.

[Illyria]

Re: radiant quests, I was about to make a Preston Garvey joke. And I missed having perk-specific dialogue choices in Fallout 4. (Where the hell are my Black Widow dialogue choices, Bethesda?!)

 

But yes, if someone made a perfect merger of Bethesda's open world with Bioware's story and companions I'd be all over that.

 

Sunny, there's another settlement that needs your help.

 

Here, let me mark it on your map.

 

And I'm wondering where the cherchez la femme or confirmed bachelor perks are.

[NightSymphony]

Thank you for the Ethereal Elven Overhaul Mod recommendation, Illyria.  I've been playing Skyrim a lot lately and ended up making a Nord since I couldn't get the elves to look right.  Now, hopefully I can play a pretty one.

[CapricornSun]

Thank you for the Ethereal Elven Overhaul Mod recommendation, Illyria.  I've been playing Skyrim a lot lately and ended up making a Nord since I couldn't get the elves to look right.  Now, hopefully I can play a pretty one.

 

I used that mod when I finally bought Skyrim from Steam. My Bosmer looks soooo much prettier with that mod!

 

Before the mod (PS3):

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Using the Ethereal Elven Overhaul Mod (PC):

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EDIT: And then her using Triss' outfit and Geralt's hair.

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Modifié par CapricornSun, 23 février 2016 - 03:24 .

[Illyria]

Thank you for the Ethereal Elven Overhaul Mod recommendation, Illyria.  I've been playing Skyrim a lot lately and ended up making a Nord since I couldn't get the elves to look right.  Now, hopefully I can play a pretty one.

 

You're welcome.  I can't play the game without it.  There's also another modder who has made a bunch of patches for EEO and the DLC+mods.

[NightSymphony]

Oh she looks so beautiful, Sunny.  LOL...I use the Triss outfit too.

 

I hope all my mods play nicely...I am using so many.

[CapricornSun]

Oh she looks so beautiful, Sunny.  LOL...I use the Triss outfit too.

 

I hope all my mods play nicely...I am using so many.

 

Thanks!

 

I even used a mod that made my Dragonborn have a little bunny companion named Dovahbit. Not only does he carry your extra junk, you could also dress him up with different headgear!

 

Wearing a circlet:

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Wearing the iconic Dragonborn helmet:

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Wearing the Imperial helmet:

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*sigh* I use so many mods as well. I think my poor laptop couldn't handle it anymore because my game would crash whenever I try to fast travel. 

[NightSymphony]

Oh how adorable!!!  I'll have to look for that mod!

 

I've been using a romance mod that lets you have Bishop from NWN2 as a follower and romantic interest. He also has his wolf with him.  That wolf is so annoying, he loves to stand in doorways and just refuses to move.  But, he's a great fighter so I keep him.

 

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Here's my Nord chickie running around Whiterun in her pretty Eilhart dress from Witcher 2. 

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[NightSymphony]

We need some Solas in here...

 

https://twitter.com/...9586184/photo/1

[CapricornSun]

Oh how adorable!!!  I'll have to look for that mod!

 

I've been using a romance mod that lets you have Bishop from NWN2 as a follower and romantic interest. He also has his wolf with him.  That wolf is so annoying, he loves to stand in doorways and just refuses to move.  But, he's a great fighter so I keep him.

 

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Here's my Nord chickie running around Whiterun in her pretty Eilhart dress from Witcher 2. 

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Wow! Your Nord's gorgeous! And I could imagine the hassle of having companions standing in doorways. 

 

And here's the link to the Dovahbit mod: http://www.nexusmods...im/mods/37982/?

Turns out they updated it and now you can have TWO bunnies following you!

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The second one is female and is the original Dovahbit's apprentice. (There is a bit of lore to him, hehe!)

Gah! Now I want to play Skyrim again with two bunnies following me. xD

[NightSymphony]

oooooh....I need these bunnies...hehe.

 

Edit:  I agree with Cole...there needs to be more bunnies in stories!

[MoonDrummer]

I played Argonian in Oblivion. Argonian or Dunmer. Always either of those two.

 

Speaking of other video games, I finally found the time and desire to get back into Witcher 3 today. To find that my former ex-girlfriend has turned some weird quasimodo baby in to a tattooed elf man who everyone seems to think is hot.

 

I... I have no idea what's going on.

Dunmer all day everyday.

 

I hope house Redoran can make Morrowind great again, they need to build a wall, and make argonia pay for it. 

[Illyria]

Wow! Your Nord's gorgeous! And I could imagine the hassle of having companions standing in doorways. 

 

And here's the link to the Dovahbit mod: http://www.nexusmods...im/mods/37982/?

Turns out they updated it and now you can have TWO bunnies following you!

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The second one is female and is the original Dovahbit's apprentice. (There is a bit of lore to him, hehe!)

Gah! Now I want to play Skyrim again with two bunnies following me. xD

Oh how adorable!!!  I'll have to look for that mod!

 

I've been using a romance mod that lets you have Bishop from NWN2 as a follower and romantic interest. He also has his wolf with him.  That wolf is so annoying, he loves to stand in doorways and just refuses to move.  But, he's a great fighter so I keep him.

 

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Here's my Nord chickie running around Whiterun in her pretty Eilhart dress from Witcher 2. 

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I would recommend getting Interesting NPCs/3DNPCs if you guys don't have it already.  That's where my dragonborn's lesbian nord wife is from.  There's also Rumarin who is basically Alistair as an altmer mage.

 

Dunmer all day everyday.

 

I hope house Redoran can make Morrowind great again, they need to build a wall, and make argonia pay for it. 

 

I knew that was you even before I saw the username.  What does that say about you?

[roselavellan]

But - but - the Gray Fox! And the Dark Brotherhood! And Dagoth Ur - have you seen Dagoth Ur? He's so nice! And his minions are so congenial! One of them brings you wine and insists on a pleasant chat before he murders your face in!

 

On a more serious note - the reason why I'm so into Elder Scrolls is because I just love exploration games. BioWare and their stories are great, don't get me wrong, but one thing I love about video games, one thing I think they can do unlike just about any other medium, is to just... throw the player into a world and let them explore it. No rules or restrictions - including those a story would impose - just a vast expanse of space to uncover and explore. 

 

I really liked Morrowind's story. Of course, subsequent TES games were a little lighter on content, but Morrowind was great - learning about the Houses, the Tribunal, Nerevar and the Nerevarine... Perhaps it was because Morrowind was my first TES, but I was enthralled.

 

I would agree that the attraction of TES games is different to DA games. It's enjoyable just wandering around immersing yourself in the beauty of their world and Jeremy Soule's music. I also like modding my game, and tailoring it to my specific tastes - I think I spent almost 3 years playing around with the Creation Kit. It's all very geekily zen for me. I play TES when I want to relax... whereas with DA, it's quite the opposite, isn't it? It's all intensity, tears and emotional ravaging.

 

If there was just one area I think Bethesda could improve on, I'd pick relationships. Skyrim's story and quests, while not the most exciting, were adequate, but follower relationships were woeful.

 

Btw, I rather liked the move towards open-world in DAI; as much as I loved DAO, it did feel a little constrained to me, with no reason to leave your current quest area other than looking for fresh banter spots. I think I would appreciate TW3 style of open-world in the next DA, where there are legitimate reasons to visit/revisit different areas (though I have to say that's probably the only thing I really like about TW3).

 

[Edit: Gah, how did that get so long. It didn't look quite as rambly when I was writing it... Sorry about the rambliness...]