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So.. I spent more than half an hour on writing a long and elaborate post not only answering the one above, but also featuring my thoughts on certain matter. However, WIndows 10 decided that it is a time for update and restarting my computer without any warning, so I lost everything and I'm too tired and angry at the moment to write it all over again.

 

I wanted to talk about Solas and his possible fate.

Does any of you honestly think that Solas can survive the events of the next game (assuming his plot will be finished in next game, not another one)?

 

To me, it would be the only satisfying end, because I hate forced death. Sadly,  I'm certain that Solas will die no matter what we do. I bet everyone would think that it is fitting and I'm going to hate that so it's the most probable outcome.

 

I know some people here are because they love such tragic and emotional endings, but I'm here because I like Solas as a character and I wish to see him appearing in more games, and most importantly living a life finally for himself and not everyone else.

 

Does anyone here believe that it is possible for him to survive?

I'll try to write something more tomorrow...


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So.. I spent more than half an hour on writing a long and elaborate post not only answering the one above, but also featuring my thoughts on certain matter. However, WIndows 10 decided that it is a time for update and restarting my computer without any warning, so I lost everything and I'm too tired and angry at the moment to write it all over again.

 

I wanted to talk about Solas and his possible fate.

Does any of you honestly think that Solas can survive the events of the next game (assuming his plot will be finished in next game, not another one)?

 

To me, it would be the only satisfying end, because I hate forced death. Sadly,  I'm certain that Solas will die no matter what we do. I bet everyone would think that it is fitting and I'm going to hate that so it's the most probable outcome.

 

I know some people here are because they love such tragic and emotional endings, but I'm here because I like Solas as a character and I wish to see him appearing in more games, and most importantly living a life finally for himself and not everyone else.

 

Does anyone here believe that it is possible for him to survive?

I'll try to write something more tomorrow...

 

I dislike the idea of forced death as well not to mention salvation/redemption through death is overused as a plot point (in my opinion).  I think the story would be more interesting if Solas survived.  Ultimately though I think this particular decision *should* be through player choice.  We should be able to save him or not and hopefully there would be consequences in future games.


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So.. I spent more than half an hour on writing a long and elaborate post not only answering the one above, but also featuring my thoughts on certain matter. However, WIndows 10 decided that it is a time for update and restarting my computer without any warning, so I lost everything and I'm too tired and angry at the moment to write it all over again.

 

I wanted to talk about Solas and his possible fate.

Does any of you honestly think that Solas can survive the events of the next game (assuming his plot will be finished in next game, not another one)?

 

To me, it would be the only satisfying end, because I hate forced death. Sadly,  I'm certain that Solas will die no matter what we do. I bet everyone would think that it is fitting and I'm going to hate that so it's the most probable outcome.

 

I know some people here are because they love such tragic and emotional endings, but I'm here because I like Solas as a character and I wish to see him appearing in more games, and most importantly living a life finally for himself and not everyone else.

 

Does anyone here believe that it is possible for him to survive?

I'll try to write something more tomorrow...

 

I really don't know. I'd like to be able to have him survive if we chose to redeem him. But whether you chose to redeem him or hunt him down, either ending is going to have to be pretty much the same because if there's a DA5, it's going to have to have the same basic environment for both Solas-redeemers and Solas-killers. (ie, the Veil is gone for everyone, or the Veil is still present for everyone, or the Veil is absent in a small area or several small areas (immortal elven homeland(s)) throughout Thedas.

 

If he can survive, I'd really like for him to be able to be happy with his lot, too. Can he find happiness in whatever future BioWare brings us? I don't know. I feel that there are so many variables for the character he is.

  • Bringing down the Veil - it might destroy him, as he hints in Trespasser, or it might not. He might succeed in bringing it down; he might not. If Inquisitor convinces him not to tear down the Veil and he can't restore something of the ancient Elvhen at all, can he be happy living in the modern world, Veil intact?
  • Rebuilding the ancient Elvhen world - he can only rebuild it based on his memories and perhaps the memories of other surviving ancient Elvhen - and it's well established by Solas himself that memories are flawed (hence why the past events he sees in the Fade can have conflicting details, like his description of the Battle of Ostagar. Yes, it's also a way for BioWare to accommodate different players' world states without busting the word budget, too, I know.   :) ) Would that world be comfortable for him or would he find it deeply flawed/missing something essential?
  • 'Restoring' the ancient Elvhen - How many ancient Elvhen are actually still alive? Can he actually transform modern, mortal elves, into immortal Elvhen? Will surviving ancient Elvhen accept him if he survives? Will transformed modern Elvhen be too different from the ancient ones he remembers for him to feel quite comfortable with them?
  • Being immortal with a potentially very mortal Lavellan - If he can't transform modern elves into immortal Elvhen, where does that leave his relationship with Lavellan?  I think it would be hard for him to watch her grow old and die while he stays looking about 45 years old. If he and Lavellan are physically intimate, will he eventually find it somewhat lacking for him since the ancient Elvhen seem to have flipped back and forth between physical and spirit forms, flying around, etc. while getting intimate?
  • Evanuris - What exactly is his plan for taking care of the Evanuris? Will he be able to live in peace after tearing down the Veil or will he and his loved one(s) have to be constantly wary/on the run from vengeful Evanuris?
  • Guilt - if his plans succeed but do result in the deaths of many modern people, can he live with that guilt? If his plans fail, can he live with the guilt he's already feeling for having destroyed the world of the Elvhen?

The cards really seem to be stacked against our poor Dread Wolf. But here's hoping that Patrick Weekes and his team come up with an amazing tale of redemption. It did seem to be a theme in DAI: Cullen can experience redemption and a new lease on life by breaking his lyrium addiction. Blackwall can experience redemption and a new lease on life if the Inquisitor shows him mercy. Dorian can experience redemption and a new lease on life if you give him the acceptance he lacked from his family. The Montilyets experience redemption and experience a new lease on commerce if you help Josephine out with her personal quest. I'm sure there are lots more 'redemptive' story arcs I'm forgetting from DAI. 

 

tl;dr I don't know if Solas will survive the current story arc but I hope he can, happily. BioWare gave lots of other DAI characters redemptive storylines, so it's only fair to give Solas one too, right? Right???!  :unsure:

 

(At the same time, my less hopeful side is thinking: Ugh, it's BioWare; they love fan tears. :wacko: )


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I really don't know. I'd like to be able to have him survive if we chose to redeem him. But whether you chose to redeem him or hunt him down, either ending is going to have to be pretty much the same because if there's a DA5, it's going to have to have the same basic environment for both Solas-redeemers and Solas-killers. (ie, the Veil is gone for everyone, or the Veil is still present for everyone, or the Veil is absent in a small area or several small areas (immortal elven homeland(s)) throughout Thedas.

 

If he can survive, I'd really like for him to be able to be happy with his lot, too. Can he find happiness in whatever future BioWare brings us? I don't know. I feel that there are so many variables for the character he is.

  • Bringing down the Veil - it might destroy him, as he hints in Trespasser, or it might not. He might succeed in bringing it down; he might not. If Inquisitor convinces him not to tear down the Veil and he can't restore something of the ancient Elvhen at all, can he be happy living in the modern world, Veil intact?
  • Rebuilding the ancient Elvhen world - he can only rebuild it based on his memories and perhaps the memories of other surviving ancient Elvhen - and it's well established by Solas himself that memories are flawed (hence why the past events he sees in the Fade can have conflicting details, like his description of the Battle of Ostagar. Yes, it's also a way for BioWare to accommodate different players' world states without busting the word budget, too, I know.   :) ) Would that world be comfortable for him or would he find it deeply flawed/missing something essential?
  • 'Restoring' the ancient Elvhen - How many ancient Elvhen are actually still alive? Can he actually transform modern, mortal elves, into immortal Elvhen? Will surviving ancient Elvhen accept him if he survives? Will transformed modern Elvhen be too different from the ancient ones he remembers for him to feel quite comfortable with them?
  • Being immortal with a potentially very mortal Lavellan - If he can't transform modern elves into immortal Elvhen, where does that leave his relationship with Lavellan?  I think it would be hard for him to watch her grow old and die while he stays looking about 45 years old. If he and Lavellan are physically intimate, will he eventually find it somewhat lacking for him since the ancient Elvhen seem to have flipped back and forth between physical and spirit forms, flying around, etc. while getting intimate?
  • Evanuris - What exactly is his plan for taking care of the Evanuris? Will he be able to live in peace after tearing down the Veil or will he and his loved one(s) have to be constantly wary/on the run from vengeful Evanuris?
  • Guilt - if his plans succeed but do result in the deaths of many modern people, can he live with that guilt? If his plans fail, can he live with the guilt he's already feeling for having destroyed the world of the Elvhen?

The cards really seem to be stacked against our poor Dread Wolf. But here's hoping that Patrick Weekes and his team come up with an amazing tale of redemption. It did seem to be a theme in DAI: Cullen can experience redemption and a new lease on life by breaking his lyrium addiction. Blackwall can experience redemption and a new lease on life if the Inquisitor shows him mercy. Dorian can experience redemption and a new lease on life if you give him the acceptance he lacked from his family. The Montilyets experience redemption and experience a new lease on commerce if you help Josephine out with her personal quest. I'm sure there are lots more 'redemptive' story arcs I'm forgetting from DAI. 

 

tl;dr I don't know if Solas will survive the current story arc but I hope he can, happily. BioWare gave lots of other DAI characters redemptive storylines, so it's only fair to give Solas one too, right? Right???!  :unsure:

 

(At the same time, my less hopeful side is thinking: Ugh, it's BioWare; they love fan tears. :wacko: )

 

 

I agree that the overall worldstate itself would have to remain the same for everyone, whether or not you kill Solas.  So the Veil is either going to come down or it won't.  Whether or not Solas lives or dies however could (and I believe should) be up to player choice as Solas may or may not have a role in any future games.  And yes darn it I personally want a happy ending for him (and Lavellan).  


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I think the Veil will come down one way or another. Remember Sandal's prophecy ? I think it will come to fruition in DA V with DA IV laying the groundwork with regards to the range of Solas' powers, how the Veil was actually created, more lore on Titans, etc.


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I think the Veil will come down one way or another. Remember Sandal's prophecy ? I think it will come to fruition in DA V with DA IV laying the groundwork with regards to the range of Solas' powers, how the Veil was actually created, more lore on Titans, etc.

 

Well, we are heading to the country that is a.) reliant on magic and built on bones of Elvenhan b.) a place where at some point people worshiped Old Gods, which - in one way or another - were real c.) Tevenes together with their Old Gods are responsible for piercing the Veil and letting into the world horrors that Solas likely tried to protect people from

 

Anyway - I do think that something may happen to the Veil, or the world will change, however I do think that it will not necessarily be "restoring the world to how it was", but perhaps it will be something new - or perhaps something in-between.


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I'm really curious how Solas plans to contain the Evanuris sans Veil.  I doubt that even Mythal has the firepower to take them all down at the same time, and if the red lyrium theories are true, you've got the potential of seven psychotically insane mage-lords with access to the Blight's power. All in the middle of spirits and demons going collectively apeshit as 'Mundus' and the Fade collide. 

My one issue with Inquisition is that, outside of a few select areas, you don't feel the apocalyptic nature of the times as much as you should. The Mage-Templar conflict is resolved without much rising action, and the Venatori and Red Templar largely restrict themselves to smaller scale stuff after the Breach is sealed. I'd like something more like Mass Effect 3. For all of its flaws, the old bird was incredibly effective at conveying the horror and despair of the Reaper War. Inquisition likely could have achieved something similar if we'd had more villages and cities in the game, less open world romping, as much as I enjoy it. Hopefully the build-up with Solas and #EpicVeilTakeTwo pays off half of what it's promising.

 

As someone brought up earlier, Dragon Age 2 is probably the game that would have done best as open world. I'm inclined to think that an open world game, Witcher 3 style, would be interesting for Tevinter. Minrathous as a hub city, Novigrad style, with smaller zones in Seheron and the like. You even get a cutesy fortress with Weisshaupt!  :lol:

Or we could do strictly story-tiered missions, Origins style, but with Inquisition level design. That would also be okay. :D


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(As per usual, sorry for the rambly wall of text.)

 

 

  • Bringing down the Veil - it might destroy him, as he hints in Trespasser, or it might not. He might succeed in bringing it down; he might not. If Inquisitor convinces him not to tear down the Veil and he can't restore something of the ancient Elvhen at all, can he be happy living in the modern world, Veil intact?

 

I dunno. Can he be happy living in any world? Well, I mean - hmm. I think Solas could, conceivably, live with Lavellan, living as he pleases, being happy and fulfilled. But I don't think Solas could ever be content. He doesn't seem the sort to just give up and stay home when he thinks something's wrong, and thinks he can help fix it. He doesn't seem the sort to give up and stay home, period. He says he could never simply stand by and watch the Breach consume everything, and while I'm sure that's at least partially from a place of guilt, I think it's also just his character - It's why I'm always sort of annoyed when I read a fanfic that gives him some generic happy ending, with a house and a lawn and 2.5 kids with Lavellan. It doesn't seem like the sort of life Solas would be content with. He likes to travel, to learn, to teach. He revels in court, he debates with the companions, he takes a stand for his beliefs and values even when it'd probably be best for him to keep quiet. He tells you that story, of him as a small child, who leaves his home because he's learned all he can, and seen everything there is to see.

 

To me, that doesn't sound like someone who'd be happy with the typical life, being a husband, raising kids, happily ever after. So... I dunno. I can't see it, this fairytale ending. I think he could achieve a happy life. But never a quiet, peaceful one - he's too restless.

 

 

 

  • Rebuilding the ancient Elvhen world - he can only rebuild it based on his memories and perhaps the memories of other surviving ancient Elvhen - and it's well established by Solas himself that memories are flawed (hence why the past events he sees in the Fade can have conflicting details, like his description of the Battle of Ostagar. Yes, it's also a way for BioWare to accommodate different players' world states without busting the word budget, too, I know.    :) ) Would that world be comfortable for him or would he find it deeply flawed/missing something essential?

 

I don't think he cares too much about replicating Arlathan. I think he's more concerned with the return of magic and spirits and immortality. Maybe he'll want to restore certain landmarks and wonders, but the civilization as a whole? I mean, he rebelled against it, after all. 
 

 

  • Being immortal with a potentially very mortal Lavellan - If he can't transform modern elves into immortal Elvhen, where does that leave his relationship with Lavellan?  I think it would be hard for him to watch her grow old and die while he stays looking about 45 years old. If he and Lavellan are physically intimate, will he eventually find it somewhat lacking for him since the ancient Elvhen seem to have flipped back and forth between physical and spirit forms, flying around, etc. while getting intimate?

 

Immortality came from the Fade. It's currently blocked by the Veil. And given the hints about elves in the Crossroads that we got from Trespasser/Masked Empire, I think this remains the case even for modern elves. So I find it likely that, if Lavellan somehow survives and her connection to the Fade is restored, she'll regain immortality (And magic if she's not already a mage.) Even if she doesn't, I don't think this would prevent Solas from being with her. It'd give their romance a more tragic ending, sure, but her mortality didn't stop him from getting into the relationship in the first place.

 

As for changing forms, Lavellan's already capable of all that - in the Fade. We know she (And all other Inquisitors) are capable of rudimentary Dreamer abilities. We know anyone with proper control over themselves and their dream can change their form.

 

Like - you ever wonder why Solas seemed so happy and surprised during that Fade scene? Why he tells the Inquisitor "You continue to surprise me?" Why Weekes said that, if there's a point where Solas truly begins to see the Inquisitor as an equal, it's during that scene? Because the Inquisitor proved they're capable of all that, of everything Solas does, of everything the ancient elves used to do. They can walk the Fade, they can speak with spirits, they can visit memories, they can recover what's been lost - oh, sure, they're not very good at it, but that's just a matter of time and practice. 

 

That was the whole point of the scene - there's the world Solas loves, this world he thinks has been slandered and broken and irretrievably lost - and here's Lavellan, who, with a single dream and a few words, proves him wrong. Proves that there's still hope, for the Fade, for mortals, for this world. So... *Shrug* I don't think that'd really be an issue. 

 

  • Guilt - if his plans succeed but do result in the deaths of many modern people, can he live with that guilt? If his plans fail, can he live with the guilt he's already feeling for having destroyed the world of the Elvhen?

 

Ah, now this, this is the only serious problem I see. Because, yes, Solas is going to be burdened with guilt no matter what he does. I imagine the redemption arc will deal a lot with untangling this guilt, but if (As the game implies) there are people still currently suffering from his actions, than I don't think a pep talk will really cut it. Convincing him to let go of the past is one thing. Telling him he needs to abandon living, breathing people who are trapped in torment because of his actions? That's going to be a harder sell.


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Art post.

 

kallielef's gorgeous WIP sketch of sad Solas for a sad comic she's making. :(

 

Dark picture of Solas and Lavellan.

 

Poor Solas has problems in bed. (Because he is damn old.)  :P Based on part 1 of the fic Elven Glory. :lol:

 

Solavellan kissu.  ^_^

 

Airbender!Solas. :D

 

Sketches of Solas in Avvar armor and Grey Warden armor. :)

 

Lineart of Solas in Avvar armor.

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So.. I spent more than half an hour on writing a long and elaborate post not only answering the one above, but also featuring my thoughts on certain matter. However, WIndows 10 decided that it is a time for update and restarting my computer without any warning, so I lost everything and I'm too tired and angry at the moment to write it all over again.

 

I wanted to talk about Solas and his possible fate.

Does any of you honestly think that Solas can survive the events of the next game (assuming his plot will be finished in next game, not another one)?

 

To me, it would be the only satisfying end, because I hate forced death. Sadly,  I'm certain that Solas will die no matter what we do. I bet everyone would think that it is fitting and I'm going to hate that so it's the most probable outcome.

 

I know some people here are because they love such tragic and emotional endings, but I'm here because I like Solas as a character and I wish to see him appearing in more games, and most importantly living a life finally for himself and not everyone else.

 

Does anyone here believe that it is possible for him to survive?

I'll try to write something more tomorrow...

 

I think it's much more interesting to have him redeem himself through his actions.  He's an ancient elf, and once worshipped as a god.  Think of all the ways he could teach modern elves.


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Solas looks so done with whoever wrote this.

 

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Art art art

 

Solas and Lavellan line art

http://nahves.devian...-Dump-592916130

 

Inquistion (this would make a great poster for my door)

http://morebodyparts...ition-592941872

 

Solas kissing Lavellan's cheek

http://azureverie.de...Solas-592901722

 

Picnic Time.  (I think Sunny might have shared this a few days ago. I remember seeing it somewhere...)

http://lia-amari.dev...-Time-592884647

 

"You didn't even say goodbye, you a-hole!!!"  Comic

http://deadcoldmouth...-salt-592841952

 

 

Adorable little Zevran

http://iragana.devia...evran-592955221


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Art art art

 

Solas and Lavellan line art

http://nahves.devian...-Dump-592916130

 

 

It's a pity this cute lineart of Solas and Lavellan was ruined a bit by the sketch of that Naruto OC being in the way.  :wacko:


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My turn for an art post. :D

 

'It's too late.' by nanananananablr. Lavellan defeats Solas. :crying:

 

Smooch. (I love how Solas' nose is all smooshed up! <3 )

 

Solas and Lavellan cuddling on the couch.  :wub:

 

Adorable Looking Glass doodles of Lavellan and Pride.

 

Trespasser Solas with glowing eyes. Oooh! <3


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Much has been mentioned about Elves and Dwarves but we don't know much about the origins and true nature of Dragons. However, we do know from Yavana that they reigned during the pre-Veil days and they can actually communicate using their own brand of language.
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Oh? So they had the Dovah tongue? Everything makes sense now! Just look at their names: Kal-Ten-Zahn. Hi-Ver-Nal. Vin-So-Mer.

Maybe Kieran is the first Dragonborn ever! :D
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Oh? So they had the Dovah tongue? Everything makes sense now! Just look at their names: Kal-Ten-Zahn. Hi-Ver-Nal. Vin-So-Mer.

Maybe Kieran is the first Dragonborn ever! :D

 

LOL, so Nirn is perhahs what will happen to Thedas after the Veil gets torn down? The Evanuris and those with enough mental fortitude just become the deadric princes or Aedra :P


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LOL, so Nirn is perhahs what will happen to Thedas after the Veil gets torn down? The Evanuris and those with enough mental fortitude just become that deadric princes or Aedra :P


Indeed. This merely is the kalpa that came before Nirn's time. The Dragon Age will end when Alduin emerges to devour everything so that the next age can come to pass.
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Indeed. This merely is the kalpa that came before Nirn's time. The Dragon Age will end when Alduin emerges to devour everything so that the next age can come to pass.

 

Hmmm, what if Alduin is actually a twisted version of Solas?:P Punished (by himself? Others?) for eternity by destroying every world that arose?

 

... That would actually be pretty goddamn sad :/


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Re: Solas' fate...

 

I've thought about this before and... what if, after he has redeemed himself, he is finally ready to die? His biggest fear in DAI was dying alone, but what if the redemption rids him of this fear? No longer burdened by his duty, he could finally be.. free. Maybe, in a worldstate with a romanced Lavellan, he'd live the rest of his days with her as a mortal, getting a nice end to a very long and tiring life.

Does anyone know if he could become a spirit if he died? A wisp?


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Re: Solas' fate...

 

I've thought about this before and... what if, after he has redeemed himself, he is finally ready to die? His biggest fear in DAI was dying alone, but what if the redemption rids him of this fear? No longer burdened by his duty, he could finally be.. free. Maybe, in a worldstate with a romanced Lavellan, he'd live the rest of his days with her as a mortal, getting a nice end to a very long and tiring life.

Does anyone know if he could become a spirit if he died? A wisp?

 

This might sound like a bunch of spooky spirit crap, but my take on it is basically this - no one actually dies in Dragon Age. Everyone has a soul, and magic, spirits, and souls are all made out of the same... magicky... stuff. When a person dies, or a spirit is destroyed, or a spell fades away, it all sinks back into The Lifestream  the universe's collective resource of raw magicky stuff, and that magicky stuff eventually goes on to create new souls, spirits, or spells. If you'd like to give it a Hindu bent, we can say that this collective resource is. more-or-less, the Maker, and "The Maker's Bosom" as a euphemism for Heaven is a little wink-wink nudge-nudge on the writers' part. The Maker and magic are the same thing, and it's all a sort of primordial chaos from which all of existence sprang.

 

I guess it's possible for that magicky stuff to retain impressions of what it was before, and reform into something similar, just as Solas says Wisdom will reform into a new spirit - but she won't really be Wisdom, and she won't really remember him. Same for anything else. So if Solas died, yeah, I imagine he'd become a wisp - either because everyone does, or because (Like Mythal) he can retain a rudimentary identity beyond death, which allows him to persist and eventually come back (Albeit, he can only do so in the same way Mythal does, so he'd arguably have to become someone else to actually live again.)

 

Alternatively I could just be a lunatic and everything here is completely wrong. That's a possibility, too.

 

(I really am curious about the difference between spirits and souls, though. Souls seem to be more complex versions of spirits, but does that mean everyone somehow came from spirits? Does that mean everyone can go back to being spirits? Is that what happens when a person dies? And if everyone has a spirit, then what's the difference between elves and everyone else, that gives elves their special connection to the Fade?)


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Re: Solas' fate...

 

I've thought about this before and... what if, after he has redeemed himself, he is finally ready to die? His biggest fear in DAI was dying alone, but what if the redemption rids him of this fear? No longer burdened by his duty, he could finally be.. free. Maybe, in a worldstate with a romanced Lavellan, he'd live the rest of his days with her as a mortal, getting a nice end to a very long and tiring life.

Does anyone know if he could become a spirit if he died? A wisp?

He says himself that the first of his people do not die easily, as seen with Mythal, and I can't help but wonder if one of the reasons he didn't kill them, was that they would just come right back in another body to trouble the world again, once their spirits had been released.

 

If spirits like the one Solas has, are anything like the ones which the Avvar revere and can seem to repeatedly resurrect (I mean Hakkon Wintersbreath clearly held the shape of a dragon, when he went back to the Fade, so he definitely didn't break up into spirit particles), I think there is a chance he could return with at least some of himself intact. Not the same, but with certain memories, and an understanding of the world, kind of like Urthemiel inside of Kieran.


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I agree that the overall worldstate itself would have to remain the same for everyone, whether or not you kill Solas.  So the Veil is either going to come down or it won't.  Whether or not Solas lives or dies however could (and I believe should) be up to player choice as Solas may or may not have a role in any future games.  And yes darn it I personally want a happy ending for him (and Lavellan).  

 

I'd love a happy ending for Solas and Lavellan. Lavellan's spirit is strong (rare and marvelous, in fact!), I'm sure together they can find a way.

 

Thing is, if there is player choice for Solas' fate, I fear that any role he might have in DA5 might be small, since I can't see them splitting their resources for an alternative storyline.

 

Then again if the Veil is removed and spirits are able to interact freely with Thedas, or the line between spirits and mortals are blurred, perhaps that will allow Solas to continue having a big role in future games, whether or not the player killed him in DA4. (Also, we know death hasn't always stopped previous characters from reappearing.)

 

Solas/Fen'Harel as a character is interesting, as interesting as Mythal I think, I hope he continues to play a part in the DA world past DA4.



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This might sound like a bunch of spooky spirit crap, but my take on it is basically this - no one actually dies in Dragon Age. Everyone has a soul, and magic, spirits, and souls are all made out of the same... magicky... stuff. When a person dies, or a spirit is destroyed, or a spell fades away, it all sinks back into The Lifestream  the universe's collective resource of raw magicky stuff, and that magicky stuff eventually goes on to create new souls, spirits, or spells. If you'd like to give it a Hindu bent, we can say that this collective resource is. more-or-less, the Maker, and "The Maker's Bosom" as a euphemism for Heaven is a little wink-wink nudge-nudge on the writers' part. The Maker and magic are the same thing, and it's all a sort of primordial chaos from which all of existence sprang.

 

I guess it's possible for that magicky stuff to retain impressions of what it was before, and reform into something similar, just as Solas says Wisdom will reform into a new spirit - but she won't really be Wisdom, and she won't really remember him. Same for anything else. So if Solas died, yeah, I imagine he'd become a wisp - either because everyone does, or because (Like Mythal) he can retain a rudimentary identity beyond death, which allows him to persist and eventually come back (Albeit, he can only do so in the same way Mythal does, so he'd arguably have to become someone else to actually live again.)

 

Alternatively I could just be a lunatic and everything here is completely wrong. That's a possibility, too.

 

(I really am curious about the difference between spirits and souls, though. Souls seem to be more complex versions of spirits, but does that mean everyone somehow came from spirits? Does that mean everyone can go back to being spirits? Is that what happens when a person dies? And if everyone has a spirit, then what's the difference between elves and everyone else, that gives elves their special connection to the Fade?)

 

I kinda have similar thoughts about the whole thing. And I keep wondering whether the whole:

 

“Whatsoever passes through the fire
Is not lost, but made eternal;
As air can never be broken nor crushed,
The tempered soul is everlasting!”
 
or alternatively
 
"Let the fire in. Let it burn."
 
... may mean that there's some sort of process, or ritual perhaps, that basically makes the soul immortal (survive the Fade/whatever with identity intact)?

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I kinda have similar thoughts about the whole thing. And I keep wondering whether the whole:

 

“Whatsoever passes through the fire
Is not lost, but made eternal;
As air can never be broken nor crushed,
The tempered soul is everlasting!”
 
or alternatively
 
"Let the fire in. Let it burn."
 
... may mean that there's some sort of process, or ritual perhaps, that basically makes the soul immortal (survive the Fade/whatever with identity intact)?

 

 

In general identity and self-awareness seems important to the Fade and it's denizens. Solas says only spirits with a particular strong sense of self can survive in the physical world without becoming a demon, wisps appear to be spirits that are so simple and general they don't even have a proper concept (Like Compassion or Desire), and Cole implies that spells are somehow powered by minuscule wisps, pulled through the Veil and given identity by the mages who shape them - and of course there's Cole himself, who's torn between spirit and human, or more simply, between simple, general purpose, or complex, individualized identity.  (If we pull this through to "The Maker is magic" idea, I guess it's possible that once the Maker was whole, and made the Evanuris for company, only to be shattered and scattered when Elgar'nan "threw down the sun" (The Sun likely being an oblique reference to the Maker) and that this quest for identity is a reflection of the Maker's desire to reform again. But that's getting reaaaalllly out there.) 

 

But it makes me wonder if dying completely strips a being of their identity, or just knocks them down a few pegs. Spirits collapse back into primordial cosmic soul goop, but souls collapse back into wisps, and particularly strong souls can collapse back into spirits. To go back to Hinduism - instead of everyone just getting kicked back to vermin every time they die, princes become middle class men, middle class men become peasants, peasants become animals, etc. I still like the idea that the Justinia we see in the Fade is both the soul of Justinia and a spirit of faith, because that's what her soul was/became. 

 

It would explain how Mythal survived death, despite Solas' insistence that the Evanuris were simply powerful mages. As the first and most complicated spirits around, even death didn't destroy enough of their identity to really kill them. 


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You know, I think that's because she draws so often the same subjects? I think that what actually takes time in my personal drawing process is the "research" part... Need one thousand references of Solas of all angles, etc etc etc. If you draw the same character often enough you don't need to do it again and it's cutting a good part of your drawing time. Also more experienced artists like her might probably master their process well so it seriously cut time. When you don't have to figure out ten times who to do that step... :D

Late reply but I agree, I think you are right. She is probably now able to draw Solas and her Lavellan with closed eyes :P