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Mages can cast spell without a staff that's true,this however does not mean that a staff is there just for gameplay reasons.
A staff is an enchanted object that can increase the power of a mage,powerful staff are expensive because they are developed to amplify the power of the mage.
 
Abelas is an ancient elf tied with Mythal and mostly of those who served Mythal were magical warriors that used more weapons like bows and swords like the sentinels in the temple that threaten the Inquisitor with their magical bows.
Solas is a dreamer,while Morrigan has a staff that reminds me of a broomstick

 

 

Mages *can* use swords outside of gameplay mechanics though - yes in the Dragon Age universe.  It's just iconic for magic users to use staves and it also helps differentiate the classes within the game itself.  I wanted to be able to play a hybrid class in DAI but the closest I could get was Arcane Warrior from DAO.



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Suddenly a lot of people start naming their blond, ponytailed Trevelyan's Edward, wearing red longcoats and complaining that there's no alchemy specialization yes, I know what happens to Ed in the end.

 

Losing an arm didn't take away from Ed's level of badass (but then Amestris is a Country of Badasses where little things like losing limbs, internal organs and eyesight honestly don't bother people).

 

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Totally Serious List of Solas' Supernatural Ex-Girlfriends

 

- Flemeth / Mythal

- Wisdom

- Andruil

- Hell probably Andraste

Why Andruil? Where did you get Andruil?



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Why do I vicariously feel jealous of Wisdom and Mythal vicariously? Am I mad? Srsly



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Mages *can* use swords outside of gameplay mechanics though - yes in the Dragon Age universe.  It's just iconic for magic users to use staves and it also helps differentiate the classes within the game itself.  I wanted to be able to play a hybrid class in DAI but the closest I could get was Arcane Warrior from DAO.

In order to use a sword properly a great deal of training is always required,so unless the mage trained since childhood to be a swordsman and a spellcaster i can see why mages don't use swords.
Unless they are trained to be arcane warriors they do have a problem in wearing armors which are important in melee combat since this obstacle in some capacity their willpower and increase the fatigue.
Only mages i saw in DAO wearing armors and use spells were some darkspawn,but their magic is not dependant on will power


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Why Andruil? Where did you get Andruil?

Isn't Andruil the daughter of Mythal?



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Why Andruil? Where did you get Andruil?

Not sure this is the exact reason, but this is what comes to my mind. In The Masked Empire, Felassan tells a story about how Andruil tried to make Fen'Harel serve in her bed for a year for hunting Halla without her blessing.


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Completely random and not related to Solas question but... do they have pianos in Thedas?  What instruments do they have?  I tried googling but nothing came up.



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In order to use a sword properly a great deal of training is always required,so unless the mage trained since childhood to be a swordsman and a spellcaster i can see why mages don't use swords.
Unless they are trained to be arcane warriors they do have a problem in wearing armors which are important in melee combat since this obstacle in some capacity their willpower and increase the fatigue.
Only mages i saw in DAO wearing armors and use spells were some darkspawn,but their magic is not dependant on will power

 

 

The Arcane Warrior specialization lets you use your magic stat to substitute strength. And that lets a mage pass nearly every strength check in the game, because it eliminates the need to do anything but pour all your points in magic. That includes the strength requirement on armors and weapons - so yeah, mages with little actual training can run around in full plate slinging great swords. They'll actually do considerably more damage doing it, despite being staffless. 

 

And while Morrigan has a staff, she doesn't always use it. And there are several points where she uses magic just fine without it. Where several others use magic just fine without it. Merrill, Jowan, that weird hermit in Brecilian. The Inquisitor themselves actually uses magic without a staff to light Veilfire or shift rubble out of the way.

 

Like, I can buy the idea that staves are useful for... increasing accuracy or something. But I've seen nothing to imply they're necessary to casting magic well, much less to casting it at all. In same vein, I doubt all the random mercenaries and monsters in Thedas politely lined up and arranged themselves by power level so that the Inquisitor was always challenged but never overwhelmed by their enemies. And I doubt that switching armor and weapons mid-battle means everyone kindly drops the fight for the hour or so it'd take for you to change out of one set of armor into another. I doubt you drink poultices like they did in DAO.

 

Gameplay and Story Segregation, guys. It's your friend.



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Completely random and not related to Solas question but... do they have pianos in Thedas?  What instruments do they have?  I tried googling but nothing came up.

Thedas better have pianos or I am going to be really unhappy. :angry: There was some concept art of musical instruments in The Art of Dragon Age Inquisition

 

EDIT: Took a photo of my copy.

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Thedas better have pianos or I am going to be really unhappy. :angry: There was some concept art of musical instruments in The Art of Dragon Age Inquisition

 

EDIT: Took a photo of my copy.

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Most of these look like they are based on pre-enlightenment instruments which would fit with the rest of dragon age.  Since pianos weren't invented till 1700 and enlightenment began sometime around 1701ish, by some estimates, there could be pianos.  It wouldn't be a completely left field thing to head canon, but they'd probably still be a newer invention.

 

Sorry thinking aloud.

 

Your post was very helpful thank you!


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Thedas better have pianos or I am going to be really unhappy. :angry: There was some concept art of musical instruments in The Art of Dragon Age Inquisition

 

EDIT: Took a photo of my copy.

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There were instruments like the clavichord around from the 14th century on, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch. They'd probably only be easily available in places that could support their manufacture and distribution, like Val Royeux or Minathrous, but I can see a larger chantry or opera house having something similar to a piano.

 

Editing to add:

The arts seem to be well-supported in Minathrous, btw, and are aided by magic, if this page in Magekiller #2 is anything to go by:

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I dunno. Can he be happy living in any world? Well, I mean - hmm. I think Solas could, conceivably, live with Lavellan, living as he pleases, being happy and fulfilled. But I don't think Solas could ever be content. He doesn't seem the sort to just give up and stay home when he thinks something's wrong, and thinks he can help fix it. He doesn't seem the sort to give up and stay home, period. He says he could never simply stand by and watch the Breach consume everything, and while I'm sure that's at least partially from a place of guilt, I think it's also just his character - It's why I'm always sort of annoyed when I read a fanfic that gives him some generic happy ending, with a house and a lawn and 2.5 kids with Lavellan. It doesn't seem like the sort of life Solas would be content with. He likes to travel, to learn, to teach. He revels in court, he debates with the companions, he takes a stand for his beliefs and values even when it'd probably be best for him to keep quiet. He tells you that story, of him as a small child, who leaves his home because he's learned all he can, and seen everything there is to see.

 

To me, that doesn't sound like someone who'd be happy with the typical life, being a husband, raising kids, happily ever after. So... I dunno. I can't see it, this fairytale ending. I think he could achieve a happy life. But never a quiet, peaceful one - he's too restless.

 

 

 

I am so glad you wrote this.  I was beginning to think I was the only one in the fandom who wasn't all gooey eyed about the idea of Solas playing house/having kids.  Now let me disclaimer that by saying if that's your thing, what you want to imagine, awesome.  Go you.  That's your thing.  However, I kind of cringe every time I see fan-art with him pictured as a dad or whatever.  Not because I think he'd be a bad father, I think he would be patient and good and all that jazz but I don't see him wanting to be a father.  Like you said I see him becoming restless no matter how much he loved the kid(s).

 

It feels forced.  I wish more people could accept that not everyone's "fairy tale" ending involves a white picket fence and 2.5 kids.  

 

Sorry ranted.

 

Again, if that's your fairy tale ending cool.  Just not mine and not how I see Solas.  Personal opinion and all that, just releived I'm not the only one haha


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I am so glad you wrote this.  I was beginning to think I was the only one in the fandom who wasn't all gooey eyed about the idea of Solas playing house/having kids.  Now let me disclaimer that by saying if that's your thing, what you want to imagine, awesome.  Go you.  That's your thing.  However, I kind of cringe every time I see fan-art with him pictured as a dad or whatever.  Not because I think he'd be a bad father, I think he would be patient and good and all that jazz but I don't see him wanting to be a father.  Like you said I see him becoming restless no matter how much he loved the kid(s).

 

It feels forced.  I wish more people could accept that not everyone's "fairy tale" ending involves a white picket fence and 2.5 kids.  

 

Sorry ranted.

 

Again, if that's your fairy tale ending cool.  Just not mine and not how I see Solas.  Personal opinion and all that, just releived I'm not the only one haha

 

You're probably gonna despise one of my upcoming artworks then. :P



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Then you're probably gonna hate one of my upcoming artworks then. :P

 

Your artwork is always lovely but yeah if it has kidos in it I'll probably keep on scrolling.  Though I can still appreciate good style.  It is similar to how I have my modern girl in Thedas not becoming a Lavellan.  I know my artwork with her isn't going to be as popular with everyone because she isn't a Lavellan but that's ok.  I still love them as a pair because they... urhm scratch that because I could go on for ages with it but point is, I respect everyone's art and fanfiction even if it isn't my cup of tea and think they should do what they love, if it isn't my thing I just keep on scrolling.  ;)



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I am so glad you wrote this.  I was beginning to think I was the only one in the fandom who wasn't all gooey eyed about the idea of Solas playing house/having kids.  Now let me disclaimer that by saying if that's your thing, what you want to imagine, awesome.  Go you.  That's your thing.  However, I kind of cringe every time I see fan-art with him pictured as a dad or whatever.  Not because I think he'd be a bad father, I think he would be patient and good and all that jazz but I don't see him wanting to be a father.  Like you said I see him becoming restless no matter how much he loved the kid(s).

 

I don't mind the family fan arts, personally. They're cute and just one possibility that people can imagine for themselves.

 

But the "happy ending" my Lavellan would want would be to just disappear with Solas, traveling and teaching and learning. Maybe some Lavellans would be happy to settle down and stay in one place after a lifetime of moving with their clan, but mine wouldn't know what to do with herself being so idle. She's far too restless and wants to see all that there is to discover.

 

Though on that note, kids are kind of portable and the idea that having them means you must remain in one spot, forever, is silly. They might hole up for a year or two when the babes are tiny, but after that? It's not like the Dalish stayed in one place and yet managed to raise the clan's kids to adulthood just the same. My Lavellan would see no reason it should be otherwise, assuming children are something that would even be a consideration.


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Though on that note, kids are kind of portable and the idea that having them means you must remain in one spot, forever, is silly. They might hole up for a year or two when the babes are tiny, but after that? It's not like the Dalish stayed in one place and yet managed to raise the clan's kids to adulthood just the same. My Lavellan would see no reason it should be otherwise, assuming children are something that would even be a consideration.

 

True but I think there is a difference on raising kids in a clan environment that moves and raising kids with just the parents moving from place to place.  Not to mention Thedas isn't the safest place in the world to go adventuring with kids.  Not that it couldn't be done it just might be risky and they wouldn't be able to live/travel exactly like before, though that is a given with kids even if you stay in one place.



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I am so glad you wrote this.  I was beginning to think I was the only one in the fandom who wasn't all gooey eyed about the idea of Solas playing house/having kids.  Now let me disclaimer that by saying if that's your thing, what you want to imagine, awesome.  Go you.  That's your thing.  However, I kind of cringe every time I see fan-art with him pictured as a dad or whatever.  Not because I think he'd be a bad father, I think he would be patient and good and all that jazz but I don't see him wanting to be a father.  Like you said I see him becoming restless no matter how much he loved the kid(s).

 

It feels forced.  I wish more people could accept that not everyone's "fairy tale" ending involves a white picket fence and 2.5 kids.  

 

Sorry ranted.

 

Again, if that's your fairy tale ending cool.  Just not mine and not how I see Solas.  Personal opinion and all that, just releived I'm not the only one haha

I tend to agree. I don't think he's the settling kind, as they say, the sort who wants to put down roots and have a quiet home life. I think he could be a loving father, as seen by his treatment of Cole, but the problems would come with him being available to offer guidance and caring.

 

Solas as Fen'Harel is historically an outspoken instigator, a rabble-rouser and a revolutionary. I love him, but he is arrogant and self-important, and he uses people as pawns in a game that is being run by a group of overpowered immortals. He actively enjoys being in the middle of events right when they are getting hot and dangerous!

 

This is the sort of guy who always has trouble following him around (most of which he has brought upon himself) - I mean if the Evanuris get free, they are going to be on his ass like wasps on your Coke can.

 

Being the person who likes pull the levers on the state of everyone's existence, frankly does not lead to a happy and stable family, even if he should ultimately be redeemed and both he and Lavellan survive to potentially start one. I just really do not see this man stopping his machinations long enough to do a lot of mundane family stuff, as much as he might truly love his wife and their sprogs.

 

My two cents as well. :P


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 if the Evanuris get free, they are going to be on his ass like wasps on your Coke can.

 

 

buahaha  :lol:  :lol:


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True but I think there is a difference on raising kids in a clan environment that moves and raising kids with just the parents moving from place to place. 

 

Every military brat in existence would like to have a word with you. :P


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Every military brat in existence would like to have a word with you. :P

 

Fair enough  :D



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I am so glad you wrote this.  I was beginning to think I was the only one in the fandom who wasn't all gooey eyed about the idea of Solas playing house/having kids.  Now let me disclaimer that by saying if that's your thing, what you want to imagine, awesome.  Go you.  That's your thing.  However, I kind of cringe every time I see fan-art with him pictured as a dad or whatever.  Not because I think he'd be a bad father, I think he would be patient and good and all that jazz but I don't see him wanting to be a father.  Like you said I see him becoming restless no matter how much he loved the kid(s).

 

It feels forced.  I wish more people could accept that not everyone's "fairy tale" ending involves a white picket fence and 2.5 kids.  

 

Sorry ranted.

 

Again, if that's your fairy tale ending cool.  Just not mine and not how I see Solas.  Personal opinion and all that, just releived I'm not the only one haha

 

Yeah, I mean - I haven't got anything against that interpretation of Solas either, but it's not one I really see. It's not even the father thing, really - I can see a Solas who wants kids and enthusiastically tries to have one with Lavellan when things settle down. I can see a Solas who wants kids but thinks his preferred lifestyle isn't suited for it, and so refuses to actually entertain the idea. And I can see a Solas who just... isn't too into the idea, period.

 

But I have a lot of trouble seeing a Solas who would just give up on seeking knowledge, seeing the world, witnessing history - just to get that white picket fence with Lavellan. I know we like to joke a lot about the break-up and how it came out of nowhere, but to me... I wasn't that blindsided, to be honest. I never took Solas for someone who would settle down, and half-expected for him to continue with his life of isolation and travel after the game (This being before I found out he was the Dread Wolf) while the Inquisitor would probably have to stick around and, y'know, inquisit things.

 

Now, I wasn't expecting for Lavellan to be cut off cold turkey. I was expecting something like "I must go, but we can still have fade dates and stuff, and I'll show up in person whenever I can." Of course, I also wasn't expecting him to be Fen'Harel, or bent on this world's destruction and rebirth, so, most of my expectations have been sort of totally demolished. 

 

It occurs to me that I had this same problem after Origins came out, and everyone was mad at Alistair for breaking it off with their Warden when "We could've had a fairytale ending!"

 

And here I was with my Surana like "YEAH! I got DUMPED! GIMME THAT ANGST, BIOWARE!"


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No offense, but it seems everyone here assumes that in order to have kids, Solas and Lavellan must "settle down." As in, pick one house and live a sedentary lifestyle until the kids are grown. Technically speaking, they don't have to. They can keep traveling the world, seeking new knowledge and discoveries, just now with kids in tow.

 

It might just be me, but I think today we think having kids means one has to settle down till the kids are grown mostly because modern society has public schools and mandatory K-12 education requirements, which is designed with a sedentary lifestyle in mind. However, They didn't have K-12 education requirements in the middle ages (in fact, they weren't educated at all except for the clergy and occasional nobility), so if Solas and Lavellan want to travel the world and take their kids with them, no one's gonna stop them. It's not like they're farmers who have to work the plot of land they rent, or are nobles who have to overlook the castles and lands their family owns.

 

I mean, the Dalish travel around and raise kids just fine. In DAO, Lanaya mentions how her parents were servants to a traveling merchant caravan and she traveled around with them, until the day their caravan was destroyed by bandits, and she was taken as a slave until the Dalish attacked them and took her in. And then you have Bodahn, a traveling merchant who brings his boy Sandal with him everywhere. So it's not like it can't be done.

 

EDIT: Ah! Top of the page! Here's some fanart I found today.

 

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No offense, but it seems everyone here assumes that in order to have kids, Solas and Lavellan must "settle down."

*snip*

 

Uh....I don't see everyone saying or assuming that.

*snip*

Though on that note, kids are kind of portable and the idea that having them means you must remain in one spot, forever, is silly. They might hole up for a year or two when the babes are tiny, but after that? It's not like the Dalish stayed in one place and yet managed to raise the clan's kids to adulthood just the same. My Lavellan would see no reason it should be otherwise, assuming children are something that would even be a consideration.


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*snip*

 

I would also argue that I wasn't the first to bring up the travel around stuff being an issue.  In my initial post I said I didn't see Solas as a dad type in so much as actually wanting kids of his own.  For me that means staying at home or dragging them every where with you.  Doesn't matter if you are in a white picket fence or traveling in a caravan your lifestyle is going to change when you have kids.  There are going to be things they just wouldn't be able to do anymore.  Tiny example Solas thinks hey Lavellan lets go into the Fade and find memories in this place except now you have a screaming toddler who doesn't want to take a nap nap right then and has no interest in the Fade at that moment.  So never mind.

 

No going out to save people either.  Unless you're cool taking your kid in a war zone, and I don't mean military when they are technically in a safe place.  Solavellan wouldn't really have that kind of option that military families have now.  Unless they have an on call baby sitter.  I guess Cole could do it... still point is I just don't see it with Solas and my Lavellan. 

 

Again not saying others can't imagine that stuff working with their Lavellans but yeah.

 

Also awesome art.  Is it weird that I love the way people paint his hands when they are all long fingered like that... I feel like it is but dang.  I love hands like that :wub: