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[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

 

Lavellans are very noxious rats, capable of spitting poison (evidently they sleep with wolves and/or bulls too).

 

LOL !

 

& Corypheus calls you  rat when you fight him, doesn't he ?

 

Nice one Bioware.

 

[TheyCallMeBunny]

Lavellans are very noxious rats, capable of spitting poison (evidently they sleep with wolves and/or bulls too).

 

LOL !

 

& Corypheus calls you  rat when you fight him, doesn't he ?

 

Nice one Bioware.

 

 

I believe he called us a gnat, not a rat? Still, nice find! 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Does this mean Arlathan is underwater since Lavellans are water rats ? Does this also mean Lavellans are Rogues since Rogues are the ones with poison in their skill tree (I know you can brew poison but Rogues can have them innately) ?

 

Headcannon accepted. All aboard the water shrew Elven train !

[midnight tea]

Lavellans are very noxious rats, capable of spitting poison (evidently they sleep with wolves and/or bulls too).

 

LOL !

 

& Corypheus calls you  rat when you fight him, doesn't he ?

 

Nice one Bioware.

 

 

So basically Lavellans are ROUS?

 

 

 

 

...Now I imagine Solas conversing with his agents before he sets out into the world and claiming "yeah, I don't think people like that exist."

 

*the universe throws a Lavellan at him*

[midnight tea]

I believe he called us a gnat, not a rat? Still, nice find! 

 

No, he later says that ancient Tevenes called the elves "rattus".

[Ellawynn]

 

Overall, I think Solas probably was once no better than the Evanuris, but something changed that led him to take up arms against them, as much to free the people that suffered under their heel as a means to atone for his own misdeeds as one of them.

 

Maybe. I do think that young Solas was sort of pugnacious and arrogant (I know everyone's seemingly in love in with this idea of precious baby Pride, but there's a sh*t ton of evidence pointing to that being pretty OOC.) probably still big on his morals and freedom, but not as... aware or wise as he'd need to be in order to actually make a difference - as he probably became later when he went to start his rebellion. 

 

But, I don't think Solas was an Evanuris like the rest. Maybe he was raised up later like Ghilan'nain, but I highly doubt he was one of them from the beginning - he refers to them constantly as "they," even in Trespasser when he's talking about their rise to power, implying he wasn't he included in it. The games make a point of showing how Fen'Harel was subservient to Mythal - something which doesn't show up for any other Evanuris, even ones that should have a similar connection such as Andruil and Ghilan'nain, or Dirthamen and Falon'Din. And if all of Cole's cryptic comments in Trespasser are about Solas (And if Solas' own account of his childhood wasn't a straight up lie) then there's no way he was one of "the first of his People," as he says the Evanuris were. So if he ever gained proper membership to the Evanuris, I imagine it came after the war they fought was over, after the others were already being hailed as kings, if not gods.

 

But there was definitely something going on there. No way he was just some random general who's only important because he ended up defecting. He was definitely being treated with his own importance before he started the rebellion - he was just also being treated as secondary to Mythal. Hmm...

 

I don't know about the first picture but it looks to me that the second represents the accession of solas from spiritual (left) to corporeal (right) form and if you obsserve the circles the spiritual is yellow and we know powerfull spirits in the fade (spirit of faith) glow yellow and the corporeal is blue which is the color of solas eyes every time he unleashes his magic (mythal to)

 

Spirits can be all sorts of different colors - orange, red, blue. That particular spirit was gold, but not all of them are. And if Solas' magic has a color, it's probably the same electric green we see in rifts, or emanating from the Orb. Mythal's, and only Mythal's, would be blue.

[Sifr]

 

Well...

 

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Then there's this, which... I don't know what that really is, but it must've happened BEFORE the Veil dropped, since we find it in Vir Dirthara. And I don't think Solas painted it post-Veil, since he was slumbering, exhausted.

 

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From what that mural looks like, it seems to suggest Solas killed the Titan, took it's "heart" and with it fashioned the Orb.

 

Could that be why the Orb was Solas' means to "shape" the world and separate Thedas from the Fade with the Veil? Or perhaps explain why the Titan was awoken by the Breach, having sensed something connected to it was used... as well as why it was so scared when we arrived near one of it's "hearts", perhaps believing we sought to kill it to gain a similar power?

[DiannaK]

 

 

Spirits can be all sorts of different colors - orange, red, blue. That particular spirit was gold, but not all of them are. And if Solas' magic has a color, it's probably the same electric green we see in rifts, or emanating from the Orb. Mythal's, and only Mythal's, would be blue.

but you did saw his eyes turning blue when using magic I think it a characteristic of beings like him (Mythal, Evanuris)

and I said powerful spirits like Faith, Love and wisdom are probably yellow but we have seen only Faith because well every spirit you encountered turned into a demon and if you remember solas's friend she was black because she was dying but her eyes had a yellow/green glow probably indicate what she was like before her corruption

[TheyCallMeBunny]

No, he later says that ancient Tevenes called the elves "rattus".

 

I did a bit of research, and realized we were all correct. The scene I was thinking about was this:

 

 

Around 3:00 Corypheus calls the Inquisitor "gnat". However, in this clip Cory refers to Solas as a rat:

 

 

  

[DiannaK]

From what that mural looks like, it seems to suggest Solas killed the Titan, took it's "heart" and with it fashioned the Orb.

 

Could that be why the Orb was Solas' means to "shape" the world and separate Thedas from the Fade with the Veil? Or perhaps explain why the Titan was awoken by the Breach, having sensed something connected to it was used... as well as why it was so scared when we arrived near one of it's "hearts", perhaps believing we sought to kill it to gain a similar power?

Oh good guess, I only said about the second one but you may be spot on about the first

[Ellawynn]

 

but you did saw his eyes turning blue when using magic I think it a characteristic of beings like him (Mythal, Evanuris)

and I said powerful spirits like Faith, Love and wisdom are probably yellow but we have seen only Faith because well every spirit you encountered turned into a demon and if you remember solas's friend she was black because she was dying but her eyes had a yellow/green glow probably indicate what she was like before her corruption

 

 

Precisely. Wisdom had a green glow. There's no yellow about it, it was pretty solidly green - well, green-ish black, but the black was probably from corruption. The spirit of command in Crestwood was orange-red, and so was the archivist in the Vir Dirthara (And the wiki claims the Archivist was a spirit of wisdom.), and the nameless spirits we encountered going into Solas' stronghold were blue. Faith is the only spirit we've really seen that's yellow, and I don't recall anyone saying Faith was particularly powerful, or that all spirits are as powerful as well, or that the power hierarchy (Assuming one exists) is denoted by color. I think Faith just... happened to be yellow. 

 

I mean, yeah, I saw his eyes turn blue, but... he's also using Mythal's power. And his eyes turned blue right after he got it - meanwhile, the Anchor, which is supposed to be his magic, is bright green. And Wisdom's green. The clothes he wears in his old murals are all dark green. And things associated the Veil and the Fade are almost always green, too. So...

[ladyiolanthe]

*snip*

 

I do find it interesting that although all the Evanuris (except Solas and Mythal) seem to be bound/hidden/chained/whatever somewhere, we have barely heard anything that would indicate what Sylaise or June might have done to deserve their punishment. Fallon Din was obviously bloodthristy, Andruil had a spat with Mythal, Elgar'nan seemed ready to blow at the slightest provocation, Dirthamen was shady had one of his followers corrupted, Ghilhan'nain appears a bit deranged... but what of Sylaise and June? Why so much silence regarding them? It makes me think that they are probably the masterminds behind Mythal's murder. 

 

*snip*

 

One of the codices in the Vir Dirthara suggests that Sylaise may have been very wasteful with the Fade's raw essence and possibly enslaved a lot of elves to make things for her. Maybe that's what Solas objected to?

 

The pages of this book—memory?—describe a heated argument between a group of well-dressed elves inside an elaborately arched pavilion on an island floating in a void. In the distance, haloed by a blizzard of light, thousands of elves are maintaining an elaborate magical ritual that pulls raw essence from the Fade, funneled into a sphere in the air. Through the lens of the sphere can be seen a world of indigo waterfalls and rust-red jungles, and a temple palace so frescoed and cleverly carved, it is a masterpiece in itself.

 

The well-dressed elves' shouting grows so loud, it can be heard over the magic. One leaps at another, howling and pulling out a knife burning with prismatic flame.

 

"Architects of the Grand Sonallium (a gift from Blessed Sylaise to Clever June as thanks for a great favor) in friendly debate over the color of the palace's roof trim."

 

 

Or perhaps opening a portal to another world (?) was problematic? Who knows what might have come through.

 

I don't know what June might have done to land himself in Solas' black book, though. Perhaps whatever favour he did for Sylaise was objectionable.  Or maybe Solas didn't think very highly of June for accepting Sylaise's Grand Sonallium as a gift, due to its wastefulness, potential slave labour used to make it, or opening a portal to somewhere that let something bad into Thedas...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Precisely. Wisdom had a green glow. There's no yellow about it, it was pretty solidly green - well, green-ish black, but the black was probably from corruption. The spirit of command in Crestwood was orange-red, and so was the archivist in the Vir Dirthara (And the wiki claims the Archivist was a spirit of wisdom.), and the nameless spirits we encountered going into Solas' stronghold were blue. Faith is the only spirit we've really seen that's yellow, and I don't recall anyone saying Faith was particularly powerful, or that all spirits are as powerful as well, or that the power hierarchy (Assuming one exists) is denoted by color. I think Faith just... happened to be yellow. 

 

I mean, yeah, I saw his eyes turn blue, but... he's also using Mythal's power. And his eyes turned blue right after he got it - meanwhile, the Anchor, which is supposed to be his magic, is bright green. And Wisdom's green. The clothes he wears in his old murals are all dark green. And things associated the Veil and the Fade are almost always green, too. So...

 

At this rate we might end up getting the Lantern Corps' entire color spectrum, except its for creatures of the Fade.

[midnight tea]

I did a bit of research, and realized we were all correct. The scene I was thinking about was this:

 

<snip>

 

Oh right, I forgot - the rattus comment only fires if f!Lavellan removes her vallaslin.

 

Therefore... LOL... Corypheus turns out to be one of the few NPCs that comments on Sollavelan

[Qun00]

The thing we need to remember is that the Ancient Elves were immortal, so the span of time that including Solas going from a nobody to a general, joining the ranks of the Evanuris and finally rebelling in the guise of the Dread Wolf, could have taken centuries, millennia or even aeons to occur.

I suspect that Solas' humble nature in the present, comes from having a lot of time to recognise that he once as a much more arrogant and selfish man, something he even alludes to at several points in banter and in dialogue. The reason for his iconography in many Elven structures could be because for a very long time, he embraced the role as a member of the Evanuris and felt that becoming a God-Emperor was sufficient reward for all he'd done to end the terrible war he alludes to.

Obviously something changed. What we don't know or if Mythal had anything to do with it, but it could have just been having had centuries to come to realise how shallow being treated like a God was, how much the common people suffered under the yoke of his kinsmen and that any nobility the Evanuris might have once possessed had been lost in their zeal and lust for more power.

This could be why he warns so much about the inherent corruption of organisations and institutions that last too long without change, having had witnessed it happen to his own friends and comrades after they let their own self-gratification after winning a war go to their heads.

I don't think Solas began as a rebel and that his loathing of the Evanuris (save Mythal) was always there. It seems more to me like he'd underwent some self-realisation over time that he didn't like the people his former friends and himself had become and feels shame and disappointment that they'd let power corrupt their once good intentions as much as it had.

His close bond with Mythal might be because they both realised they shared doubts over what they'd let themselves become and felt that things needed to change. Perhaps they conspired so that Solas would be the rebel, outcast and abolitionist, while Mythal would be his spy on the inside, feeding him information... and perhaps the discovery of the latter is part of what prompted them to eventually murder her?

Overall, I think Solas probably was once no better than the Evanuris, but something changed that led him to take up arms against them, as much to free the people that suffered under their heel as a means to atone for his own misdeeds as one of them.

That is assuming Solas was in a position of power before rising to fame as a rebellion leader. From his banter with Blackwall, it seems he was a common soldier in his early life.

Fen'Harel being part of the elven pantheon is a Dalish notion. It originally was a name that branded him a traitor, as you well know.

[ShallowlLife9871]

What about the legend of HOW Solas bashed of the False Gods?
In one Legend he told both lots that he would negotiate a truce/ surrender and then sealed them away, larghing insanely as he did. ( not that I see him giggling insanely.)
The story Merill says in DA2 says he told both groups of a weapon that would destroy the other, and sealed them away when they went looking for the Weapons.

So for me the question becomes this: witch version is more accurate? I see the truce Surrendering thing as something Solas would do.

And speaking of his place in the evhairus ( ecuse my spelling errors, as I am typing this on my phone. ) I am leaning towards he was risen to join their ranks, that he was one at some point. Mainly because both versions of the ledged states that the God's thought of Solas as a brother, and the Forgotten ones saw him as a ally or sympathizer.

[Addictress]

I don't have a twitter or twitter friends so

It would be really creepy for me to make a twitter solely to correspond with Patrick Weekes

That said, in college I once participated in a *shared* twitter account which shared fan things about star trek (2009)

Would anyone like to make a shared twitter account for directing Solasmancer questions, and sharing fanart about Solasmance?

Pros-
*publicity and grab attention of twittersphere with right hashtags, maybe get Bioware's attention
*no embarrassment as it is multiple people, not just one loner obsessed weirdo (me) with no followers tweeting at Bioware

Cons
* potential to disagree on tweets, potential to cast negative light on Solasmancer community if the account is to represent the community but one tweet is bad

Some tweets I want to make:

@PatrickWeekes can you draw a diagram of Solas' ex-girlfriends thx
^ironic humor masking actual earnest need to know

Retweeting the hottest Solas fanart of the week (sunny can pitch in and narrow down her faves)

[midnight tea]

That is assuming Solas was in a position of power before rising to fame as a rebellion leader. From his banter with Blackwall, it seems he was a common soldier in his early life.

Fen'Harel being part of the elven pantheon is a Dalish notion. It originally was a name that branded him a traitor, as you well know.

 

That's... entirely inaccurate. Not only banter with Blackwall suggests nothing about his position in military (it only suggests that he was in military and was hot-blooded and cocky in youth; nothing about whether he was a foot soldier or a general), Trespasser has a wealth of evidence suggesting his elevated position during earlier days of Elvenhan:

 

We have evidence that supports his high position among elves during war with Titans in Trespasser:

http://dragonage.wik...oads,_Section_1

 

"These statues are old. Better shape than anything I've seen on the surface. Many of them are for Mythal, though. And Fen'Harel. Not in a spot of honor, but guarding, attending.

Protector and All-Mother, why are you honored here, so far from the light of the sun? And why was the Dread Wolf at your side?"

 

 

...And Fen'Harel WAS part of elven pantehon - for a brief time maybe, but was recognized as one by other Evanuris:
http://dragonage.wik...Ancient_Mosaics

 

"Fen'Harel has been falsely named a god, but is as mortal as any of you. He takes no divine mantle and asks that none be bestowed upon him. He leads only those who would help willingly. Let none be beholden but by choice."

 

 

Also - we see his statues and mosaics in old Elvhen temples, including those not touched by the Dalish, including Temple Of Mythal. I mean.. did you miss the conversation you can have with Morrigan near the statue of Fen'Harel in ToM, or the codex we can find there?
http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God

 

"The Dalish use "Harellan" to mean "traitor to one's kin," but the word does not appear in any elven text before the Towers Age. The ancient root-word is related to "harillen," or opposition, and "hellathen," or noble struggle. The Dalish call Fen'Harel a god of deception, but I posit a far more accurate translation would be "god of rebellion.""

[Caddius]

Weapons looks more likely, simply as Solas brings up the Evanuris trying to go for something big and nasty, likely involving the Titans and the Blight. And we have the mention of Andruil's golden spear, and the Forgotten Ones aren't really brought up by Solas. I imagine they weren't making things easier for people. I am curious if the Forgotten Ones are still present in any shape or form. The Tirashan elves are possible Forgotten One worshipers, complete with red vallaslin.

[dawnstone]

I don't have a twitter or twitter friends so

It would be really creepy for me to make a twitter solely to correspond with Patrick Weekes

That said, in college I once participated in a *shared* twitter account which shared fan things about star trek (2009)

Would anyone like to make a shared twitter account for directing Solasmancer questions, and sharing fanart about Solasmance?

Pros-
*publicity and grab attention of twittersphere with right hashtags, maybe get Bioware's attention
*no embarrassment as it is multiple people, not just one loner obsessed weirdo (me) with no followers tweeting at Bioware

Cons
* potential to disagree on tweets, potential to cast negative light on Solasmancer community if the account is to represent the community but one tweet is bad

Some tweets I want to make:

@PatrickWeekes can you draw a diagram of Solas' ex-girlfriends thx
^ironic humor masking actual earnest need to know

Retweeting the hottest Solas fanart of the week (sunny can pitch in and narrow down her faves)

I know that Renmiri has fielded questions for Solasmancers to Patrick in the past. She's not really active here at the moment, but you can send her an ask on her Solavellan tumblr if you have a question, and she can send you back the answer if she gets one.

[DiannaK]

Precisely. Wisdom had a green glow. There's no yellow about it, it was pretty solidly green - well, green-ish black, but the black was probably from corruption. The spirit of command in Crestwood was orange-red, and so was the archivist in the Vir Dirthara (And the wiki claims the Archivist was a spirit of wisdom.), and the nameless spirits we encountered going into Solas' stronghold were blue. Faith is the only spirit we've really seen that's yellow, and I don't recall anyone saying Faith was particularly powerful, or that all spirits are as powerful as well, or that the power hierarchy (Assuming one exists) is denoted by color. I think Faith just... happened to be yellow. 

 

I mean, yeah, I saw his eyes turn blue, but... he's also using Mythal's power. And his eyes turned blue right after he got it - meanwhile, the Anchor, which is supposed to be his magic, is bright green. And Wisdom's green. The clothes he wears in his old murals are all dark green. And things associated the Veil and the Fade are almost always green, too. So...

No if you look closer you can see more yellow than green and I don't think solas is using mythal's powers remember mythal may have moved to a different host so what good is she without her powers I am not sure what solas took from her Patrick Weekes said something about it but I am not sure what

[CapricornSun]

Art post. 

 

'….The light shall lead her safely through the paths of this world….'. Beautiful Solavellan artwork by kallielef.

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...ely-through-the

 

 

Lavellan shows Solas the new Skyhold decor. (NSFW-ish because Qunari butts. )

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Source: http://thecopperkidd...-new-bed-vhenan

 

 

Solavellan cuddles. 

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Source: http://kellinahasash...ave-some-fluffy

 

 

Close up:

 

 

Dark!Ellana.

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Source: http://slayersangel....ease-stop-youre

 

 

Solas at his hideout post-Trespasser (I think). Very pretty art by umabbas. (The background... )

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Source: https://umabbas.tumb...o-be-wrong-once

 

 

Concept!Solas.

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Source: http://ioanaartblog....ee-the-light-of

 

 

Solas having a nap in the fall forest.

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Source: http://settleback.tu...the-fall-forest

 

[Caddius]

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In Exile Posted Today, 05:05 PM

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Gervaise, on 28 Feb 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:
Yes, I was referring to the area we visit in game rather than the location shown in the epilogue. In any case, the elves there are travelling to a location and have not yet arrived. So they could pass through a forest to get to the area where elves went for sanctuary during the time of the Evanuris. I don't think the Unchartered Areas would be suitable because it is so far south and so a rather inhospitable climate. The Arbor Wilds seemed to have a very lush vegetation for somewhere near the arctic of Thedas but I guess that could be down to residual magic from the city that was once there.

Anyway it seemed to me that he would need somewhere safe for them all to gather and what could be better than his old refuge?

It's likely a Titan (or the corpse of one). Remember - the death of Titan is said to make the land bloom. I'd wager that the Arbor Wilds - and the area we visit in JOH - is built on the remains of a Titan. Someone had a screenshot of the Temple of Mythal side-by-side with that dias in Descent. The temple is situated in a very similar position - it actually looks like the land was essentially stripped away, and the temple was build on top of a similar dais.

In Exile over in the General Discussion forum casually explained by geographic woes with the Arbor Wilds, Skyhold, and the Frostback Basin's unlikely climates. 

[Addictress]

That's... entirely inaccurate. Not only banter with Blackwall suggests nothing about his position in military (it only suggests that he was in military and was hot-blooded and cocky in youth; nothing about whether he was a foot soldier or a general), Trespasser has a wealth of evidence suggesting his elevated position during earlier days of Elvenhan:

We have evidence that supports his high position among elves during war with Titans in Trespasser:
http://dragonage.wik...oads,_Section_1

"These statues are old. Better shape than anything I've seen on the surface. Many of them are for Mythal, though. And Fen'Harel. Not in a spot of honor, but guarding, attending.
Protector and All-Mother, why are you honored here, so far from the light of the sun? And why was the Dread Wolf at your side?"


...And Fen'Harel WAS part of elven pantehon - for a brief time maybe, but was recognized as one by other Evanuris:
http://dragonage.wik...Ancient_Mosaics

"Fen'Harel has been falsely named a god, but is as mortal as any of you. He takes no divine mantle and asks that none be bestowed upon him. He leads only those who would help willingly. Let none be beholden but by choice."


Also - we see his statues and mosaics in old Elvhen temples, including those not touched by the Dalish, including Temple Of Mythal. I mean.. did you miss the conversation you can have with Morrigan near the statue of Fen'Harel in ToM, or the codex we can find there?
http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God

"The Dalish use "Harellan" to mean "traitor to one's kin," but the word does not appear in any elven text before the Towers Age. The ancient root-word is related to "harillen," or opposition, and "hellathen," or noble struggle. The Dalish call Fen'Harel a god of deception, but I posit a far more accurate translation would be "god of rebellion.""

However, perhaps he rose to his position from a simple background. Remember how he mostly lied by omission (mostly). He says he grew up in a small village. Maybe he was born a commoner indeed, then became evanuris later.

[Ellawynn]

No if you look closer you can see more yellow than green and I don't think solas is using mythal's powers remember mythal may have moved to a different host so what good is she without her powers I am not sure what solas took from her Patrick Weekes said something about it but I am not sure what

 

What good is Mythal without her power?

 

What good is the cunning, clever, unkillable ancient goddess who possesses unparalleled knowledge of the ancient elves, their lost history, their forgotten spells, their tremendous magical might and understanding?

 

Oh, bloody useless, I'm sure.