153429 réponses à ce sujet

[midnight tea]

(The good reason was Highlander 2 sucked, it was ridiculous and I refuse to admit it's existence.)

 

That's the precise reason why Solas want to tear the Veil down

[Ellawynn]

Does this "friend" have no hobbies that do not relate directly to their job or advancing their education?  I'm assuming that if they think fiction in general is a waste of time, they don't watch any TV shows or movies of any kind unless they're documentaries.  I'm also guessing they don't play sports or watch sports.  Sports are games and, according to this "friend" are also pointless wastes of time.  I'm also guessing they don't listen to music or play music as they would be pointless wastes of time.  Any food they eat is probably bland and tasteless too .. why go to the effort of making something taste good?  You're only going to consume it for energy to continue life.  I'm actually surprised they had a conversation with you about games/fiction as such a conversation would, itself, be a pointless waste of time.  They also probably don't go to art museums (art being a pointless waste of time and all that).

 

People aren't emotionless automatons.  We need stimulus of all kinds.  Even Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory is into comic books and Star Trek.  Games and fiction are a way we can distract ourselves from the stresses of real life and allow us to mentally and emotionally recharge.  The same goes for music, art, sports, etc.

 

Edit to add:  I haven't yet read any of the responses to your question btw, doing that now.

 

Actually, yeah, she doesn't like books, movies or television. S'weird. But this discussion isn't really supposed to be about her. 

 

I'm just... well, I'm mostly over it now.

[Elessara]

Actually, yeah, she doesn't like books, movies or television. S'weird. But this discussion isn't really supposed to be about her. 

 

I'm just... well, I'm mostly over it now.

 

My post wasn't really intended to be about her specifically to be honest.  Mostly just to point out that *any* activity that didn't directly relate to survival (roof, food, clothes) or anything that's considered a luxury (movie, books, television, music, art, sports, games, jewelry, nice cars, nice clothes, nice shoes, good food) could be considered a waste of time.  Even having a conversation with someone.  

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Another gorgeous sketch of Solas by nipuni. 

Spoiler

Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...-was-going-with

 

 

'I give you... The Sinquisition!' by kallielef. (NSFW-ish for pole-dancing Solas wearing a glittery thong. )

Spoiler

Source: http://kallielef.tum...me-motherofbees

 

 

A very naughty Lavellan messing around with an annoyed-looking Solas by nanananananablr.   (NSFW-ish)

Spoiler

Source: http://nanananananab...40391262119/ლ-ლ

 

 

'God and his disciple'. (Solavellan)

Spoiler

Source: http://eggpreg.tumbl...nd-his-disciple

 

 

When your bf wears better makeup than you. Solavellan WIP.

Spoiler

Source: http://vladimirka.tu...makeup-than-you

 

 

Lavellan and Solas being all sweet. 

Spoiler

Source: http://destinyaposta...i-get-some-work

 

 

Solavellan WIP sketch.

Spoiler

Source: http://ruxandralache...ming-commission

 

 

Sketch of Solas and Cadash in the rotunda.

Spoiler

Source: http://kelukana.tumb.../trace-practice

 

 

Trespasser Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://pembroke.tumb...ting-with-anime

 

 

Solas face study. With doodles of bald Solas and Solas with different hairstyles.

Spoiler

Source: http://athousanddayy...olas-face-study

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I have to ask this:-

 

Why is the Elf Fandom, particularly the Dalish Fandom, so weird and hostile ? Especially the ones in Tumblr ?

 

I mean, I like playing an Elven character because I am a guy with a short, lean and athletic body type (courtesy of archery, long distance running and Asian Indian heritage) so I prefer playing male characters with that body type. That means I end up playing as a male elf for my canon playthrough if I am given the option to do so. 

 

Naturally I tend to play an Elf who is not racist ( they are cautious towards Humans though), who wants peace and who finds Solas' actions to be quite drastic and not well thought out.

 

But when I talk about my character to these Fandoms, all I get is hate. Apparently, Elven protagonists are supposed to be super perfect, can do no wrong, must be racist towards humans, must be female only & romance Solas, must go along with Solas' plans and what have you.

 

Is this behavior normal among the DA Elf Fandom ? Or is it an outlier ?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I have to ask this:-

 

Why is the Elf Fandom, particularly the Dalish Fandom, so weird and hostile ? Especially the ones in Tumblr ?

 

 

Because they are of the Dalish people

[Witch Cocktor]

Your over exaggeration aside, elf snobbery/elitism seems to be pretty popular around this fandom, especially in crazytown (aka. tumblr)

From my narrow, shallow observation:

 

elves are oppressed -> oppressed people relate to them -> use DA elves (and their mistreatment) as a way to spread their views, politics and agenda one way or another -> feel wronged and invalidated when elves dont get as much screentime and importance as humans who are priviliged -> art imitates life, life imitates art

 

BUT

 

human players got DA2 with a human-only protagonist -> humans do get a lot of focus in games -> have the nerve to say that '' ugh why are elves getting the spotlight!?!? im tired of BW forcing elves down my throat!!! '' 

 

it's only a matter of time until dwarf and qunari players join the fight, but at the moment they are just sitting in the background, weeping.

[TheyCallMeBunny]

I have to ask this:-

 

Why is the Elf Fandom, particularly the Dalish Fandom, so weird and hostile ? Especially the ones in Tumblr ?

 

I mean, I like playing an Elven character because I am a guy with a short, lean and athletic body type (courtesy of archery, long distance running and Asian Indian heritage) so I prefer playing male characters with that body type. That means I end up playing as a male elf for my canon playthrough if I am given the option to do so. 

 

Naturally I tend to play an Elf who is not racist ( they are cautious towards Humans though), who wants peace and who finds Solas' actions to be quite drastic and not well thought out.

 

But when I talk about my character to these Fandoms, all I get is hate. Apparently, Elven protagonists are supposed to be super perfect, can do no wrong, must be racist towards humans, must be female only & romance Solas, must go along with Solas' plans and what have you.

 

Is this behavior normal among the DA Elf Fandom ? Or is it an outlier ?

 

I don't post on or read Tumblr in particular, so I can't really answer your question, but I do think that all fandoms tend to draw toxic people to them who have serious difficulties understanding that their canon isn't everyone's canon. I too prefer to play as an Elf when I can, but I will usually try to create different personalities and perspectives for each of them (makes it way more fun when replaying). So in DAI I've played:

1. a sarcastic, and initially a bit racist, Elf who romanced Solas and disbanded the Inquisition to find a way to change his mind

2. an "outcast" Elf who believes in the Maker and wants to spread the Chant to his people (he is going to romance Cassandra) (haven't decided on the Inquisition or Solas yet)

3. an aloof and righteous Elf who feels very little regarding her people's past and only wishes to, often bluntly, help the innocent (she romanced Blackwall). She is going to fight Solas with everything she got, because she thinks his plan is &%*#

 

As hard as it might be, try to ignore anyone who tries to make you feel bad about the way you are playing the game. There is no right or wrong way to play Dragon Age! If Tumblr still feels to hostile you can still hang around here, we like discussions and different viewpoints (well, I know I do). 

[German Soldier]

Your over exaggeration aside, elf snobbery/elitism seems to be pretty popular around this fandom, especially in crazytown (aka. tumblr)

 

You have perfectly described tumblr

[Addictress]

(jumononoke.tumblr.com)

[Contraire]

I have to ask this:-

 

Why is the Elf Fandom, particularly the Dalish Fandom, so weird and hostile ? Especially the ones in Tumblr ?

 

I mean, I like playing an Elven character because I am a guy with a short, lean and athletic body type (courtesy of archery, long distance running and Asian Indian heritage) so I prefer playing male characters with that body type. That means I end up playing as a male elf for my canon playthrough if I am given the option to do so. 

 

Naturally I tend to play an Elf who is not racist ( they are cautious towards Humans though), who wants peace and who finds Solas' actions to be quite drastic and not well thought out.

 

But when I talk about my character to these Fandoms, all I get is hate. Apparently, Elven protagonists are supposed to be super perfect, can do no wrong, must be racist towards humans, must be female only & romance Solas, must go along with Solas' plans and what have you.

 

Is this behavior normal among the DA Elf Fandom ? Or is it an outlier ?

Tumblr builds on itself and can easily get very toxic. (Not all, of course: a lot of perfectly nice and interesting people post their fics both on tumblr and on the AO3).

 

I have to say, though, that some anti-Dalish views on this board are pretty upsetting. Especially when it tries to use the evils of an empire millennia ago to argue that their descendants nowadays have no right to their own country, or when it uses the Dalish' ignorance of their own past as justification for dismissing their attempts to reclaim their own culture, etc. 

[Illyria]

Tumblr builds on itself and can easily get very toxic. (Not all, of course: a lot of perfectly nice and interesting people post their fics both on tumblr and on the AO3).

 

I have to say, though, that some anti-Dalish views on this board are pretty upsetting. Especially when it tries to use the evils of an empire millennia ago to argue that their descendants nowadays have no right to their own country, or when it uses the Dalish' ignorance of their own past as justification for dismissing their attempts to reclaim their own culture, etc. 

 

Dalish fans on tumblr tend to get a pretty bad rep, but everything I've seen there is mild compared to the hate the elves get here.

[Inkvisiittori]

What alignment do you think Solas is?

 

My guess: chaotic neutral.

[Janic99]

Okay some months ago I saw this episode of The originals and heard this song and I had to make a video out of it so here it is lovelies! I hope you like it! I will make a longer version if ppl request so! ^^

 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

What alignment do you think Solas is?

 

My guess: chaotic neutral.

I think he'd consider himself chaotic good. Leading a slave rebellion, raising the Veil, etc, was all done with the intent of bringing about good for others/the world at large. Neutral means he wouldn't care about his outcomes beyond their effect on himself and his agenda. IMO.

 

I'd say he's chaotic good, as well. His chaotic methods are just kinda stupid right now. His head is up his butt and he really needs to fix that.

[Ellawynn]

Neutral means he wouldn't care about his outcomes beyond their effect on himself and his agenda. IMO.

 

 

 Wouldn't that be more like evil, though? In my (admittedly limited) experience, the DnD alignment system doesn't really allow for moral ambiguity.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 Wouldn't that be more like evil, though? In my (admittedly limited) experience, the DnD alignment system doesn't really allow for moral ambiguity.

I think it gets a bit dicey there b/c being neutral, far as I understand it, is basically being apathetic to the effect of your goals on others. This of course can let you stand by and allow evil to occur. But it's not inherently evil because you can also cause actions that result in the good of others and leave it at that. Its just that the good or ill of others isn't your goal. Whereas an evil character's ultimate goal is the ill fate of other people/places/creatures. Again, that's just my understanding.

[Elessara]

I think it gets a bit dicey there b/c being neutral, far as I understand it, is basically being apathetic to the effect of your goals on others. This of course can let you stand by and allow evil to occur. But it's not inherently evil because you can also cause actions that result in the good of others and leave it at that. Its just that the good or ill of others isn't your goal. Whereas an evil character's ultimate goal is the ill fate of other people/places/creatures. Again, that's just my understanding.

 

As I understand it the Chaos/Neutral/Law aspect of D&D alignment (for 2.5, 3.0, and 3.5) is determined by how likely are you to follow laws.  Either your own set of codes/rules or of the land you're in, things like that.  Druids were always supposed to be neutral because nature is balanced (neither wholly chaotic nor bound by laws).  Paladins were supposed to be lawful ... because reasons.  Thieves were quite often chaotic (though not always) because they quite often broke the law.  Laws themselves could be either good or bad so if you were a character who would follow laws they felt were good and just but would disregard laws they felt were evil or unjust then you would most likely be neutral.  That was just an example, you can totally be lawful evil - you work within the law to do evil things or you have your own set of codes you felt bound to follow.  Ok, paladins weren't lawful just because reasons (although it felt like it sometimes), paladins were bound by a strict set of codes and rules.

 

As Ellawynn said, D&D morality can get pretty confusing as it doesn't allow for moral ambiguity.  And if you were a paladin being forced to choose between two evils you were kinda screwed either way.  

[ladyiolanthe]

*Pulls out her D&D 3.5 rulebooks...*

 

Chaotic Neutral:

Spoiler

"A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn't strive to protect others' freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from him suffer). A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behaviour is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it."

 

Doesn't really sound like Solas, to me, because Solas has strived to protect others' freedom and intentionally disrupt organizations out of a desire to liberate others.

 

Chaotic Good:

Spoiler

"A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he's kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society."

 

Sounds much more like Solas to me. Doesn't really care that Dorien and Viv think he looks like a hobo. In his guise as the Solas we knew through most of Inquisition, he was making his own way as an apostate, and he was always talking about freedom of thought, etc. Hates the Qun, which tries to tell people what to do/deprive them of their own capacity to think for themselves. Believes he needs to tear down the Veil to fix things, although most of the rest of Thedas society would be pretty horrified by that idea.

 

Although a lot of people would say he's got to be evil for wanting to destroy the world to remake his own, I've read through all the evil alignments and... none of them really fit. Lawful evil? Cares nothing for freedom, dignity, or life - this is not Solas. Neutral evil? Out for himself, sheds no tears over people he kills, whether for profit, sport, or convenience - also not Solas. Chaotic evil? Does whatever his greed, hatred, or lust for destruction drive him to do; hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, unpredictable - not really Solas, except for that bit about 'hot-tempered'. I have to say from what I've seen that he can be pretty hot-tempered but only when he's passionate about something... Not just because he feels like being a jerk.

[Ellawynn]

 

Sounds much more like Solas to me. Doesn't really care that Dorien and Viv think he looks like a hobo. In his guise as the Solas we knew through most of Inquisition, he was making his own way as an apostate, and he was always talking about freedom of thought, etc. Hates the Qun, which tries to tell people what to do/deprive them of their own capacity to think for themselves. Believes he needs to tear down the Veil to fix things, although most of the rest of Thedas society would be pretty horrified by that idea.

 

Maybe, but that boils Solas purely down to his intentions - it completely ignores his methods, which are of course pretty objectionable. It also ignores his pretty ruthless nature - to say nothing of that whole stint with the mages in his personal quest, or his initial dismissal of modern life. Like yeah he started a whole revolution, but by his own admission he made a lot of sacrifices to get it done, which I'm guessing the alignment system doesn't really account for. Which is why I brought up the moral ambiguity thing - I'm not sure he'd fit into any category really. He's like... chaotic neutral-good. 

[Inkvisiittori]

I think the way Solas is acting in the modern Thedas makes him chaotic neutral. He's only fighting for his people and doesn't care what happens to the modern people of Thedas as consequence. He may not enjoy the fact that other will suffer greatly thanks to his actions, but it won't stop him either. He only cares about his goal of restoring the ancient elven world. Everything else is secondary. I agree with Ellawynn, it seems like he is balancing between good and neutral chaotic. Maybe once he was pure chaotic good, but after Mythal's death he became a much darker character. I'm sure he still seems himself as a good person and is only doing what he thinks is right, but that doesn't lessen the fact his actions have brought much evil and suffering to the world. Also isn't vengeance always a very selfish thing to seek? He only wanted to avenge Mythal and achieving it also meant destroying the ancient elves. Again, he might not have wanted that to happen, but it happened all the same.

[Elessara]

I think the way Solas is acting in the modern Thedas makes him chaotic neutral. He's only fighting for his people and doesn't care what happens to the modern people of Thedas as consequence. He may not enjoy the fact that other will suffer greatly thanks to his actions, but it won't stop him either. He only cares about his goal of restoring the ancient elven world. Everything else is secondary. I agree with Ellawynn, it seems like he is balancing between good and neutral chaotic. Maybe once he was pure chaotic good, but after Mythal's death he became a much darker character. I'm sure he still seems himself as a good person and is only doing what he thinks is right, but that doesn't lessen the fact his actions have brought much evil and suffering to the world. Also isn't vengeance always a very selfish thing to seek? He only wanted to avenge Mythal and achieving it also meant destroying the ancient elves. Again, he might not have wanted that to happen, but it happened all the same.

 

He wasn't motivated solely by vengeance though.  He put up the Veil and locked away the Evanuris to prevent them from destroying the world.  It seems he truly believed the Evanuris would destroy the world if left unchecked and when asked he says that every other alternative (to the Veil) was worse.

[midnight tea]

I think the way Solas is acting in the modern Thedas makes him chaotic neutral. He's only fighting for his people and doesn't care what happens to the modern people of Thedas as consequence. 

 

Er, no? He does care - especially if Inquisitor befriends/romances him. He even tells a friend that he's not taking any joy of it, calls his plan a terrible one (but the only option left to him) and even that he's looking forward to being proven wrong again. Right now, aside from his remorse, he simply seems to think that what he must do is a necessity - same way creating the Veil was in order to stop the Evanuris, even if it meant destroying Elvenhan and pushing the Fade away. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about them, same way he supposedly doesn't care about modern people.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

A lovely WIP sketch of Trespasser Solas sleeping with his hand being held by Lavellan.

Spoiler

Source: http://athousanddayy...am-i-even-doing

 

 

Part 1 of a Solavellan comic. (Set post Trespasser?)

Spoiler

Source: http://lystandthefan...has-always-been

 

 

Solas kissing Lavellan on the head.

Spoiler

Source: http://athousanddayy...62906478/besito

 

 

Lovely art of concept!Solas.

Spoiler

Source: http://kingsiha.tumb...-i-wanted-to-be

 

 

Gorgeous art of Lavellan, Solas, Dorian, Iron Bull, Cullen, and Vivienne.

Spoiler

Source: http://projectnelm.t...draw-your-faves

 

[Inkvisiittori]

Of course Solas believes the Evanuris deserved their fate. He needs some kind of justification to why what he did was necessary. Maybe we find out more about what really happened in the next game. Right now we only have pieces of the whole story.

 

Maybe chaotic good does fit Solas the best, even if not perfectly. I also see some traits of neutral evil - in that he doesn't see what he does is evil, because he believes he is right and good.