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I am perfectly fine with flowery, over-the-top, clunky and repetitious language when it comes to fiction and entertainment. I mean, you want to entertain yourselves so sky's the limit. You want to be obtuse or bombastic, that's up to you. Its entertainment and its for fun.

 

However, I am not fine with flowery, over-the-top, clunky and repetitious language when it comes to philosophy and reality comprehension. If you want to teach or educate or enlighten people with how you think the world works, how reality functions and how one should live their lives, it is best to use concise and clear language. Furthermore, you must list your sources of information. This allows people to understand what you are talking about and allows them to replicate or verify your findings and viewpoints on their own.

 

The problem comes from the fact that religion and religious like philosophy like the Qun try to portray themselves as the source of all the answers for the questions we seek, as the source of morality, as a source for laws and as a way of life...While using obfuscative, over-the-top, flowery, clunky, and repetitious language.

 

If religion and religious philosophy are viewed as fictional entertainment (which is what they actually are), then I would have no problems with them but they are not viewed that way. Specific groups of people are persecuted and oppressed, facts are whitewashed away, wars are started and resources are wasted under the banner of religion and religious philosophy.

 

With all due respect, you're holding modern standards to ancient times. What's more, our modern technological aids like pen and paper to write things down, and computers and internet to print and store large amounts of information, allows us to keep things short and concise so it's easy to flip to the page or click on the website/document we want to use to recall that little blurb of information we were thinking of.

 

The thing is, before the newfangled invention of "writing" from ancient Egypt, Greece, Persia, China, etc. most societies had a really strong oral tradition. The way they conveyed information was purely through word of mouth, and the way they stored it was through memory. And what's the best way to make something easy to remember? Make it flowery and dramatic so it's interesting, and make it repetitive so the more times you repeat something, the more likely the listener is to remember.

 

Think of when you give your phone number or address to someone and they don't have a phone to type it into or pen and paper to write with. Do you just say it once to keep it short and concise? No. You'll repeat your phone number or address several times, maybe with little details or memory aids to throw in, and possibly have them repeat it back to you, because the more you say it the more likely they are to remember it.

 

 

"But they wrote it down," you might say, "There's no reason to make it long, flowery, and repetitive since they had the written documents." Problem is, even after writing and recording was invented, throughout most of recorded history most people were illiterate. Until about modern times, only the elite could read and write and/or had access to written documents since they were very hard to make.

 

For things like philosophy and especially religion, the elite who could write and read these documents wanted to impart what they thought were the answers to life to the masses. But they couldn't exactly pass out little pamphlets with snappy little slogans the way we do today, because, a) people couldn't read it, b ) most people's lives were too mean and hard to take time out to learn to read since those crops weren't going to grow themselves, c ) even if they could take time to teach people how to read, writing was a long and laborious process. Papyrus (or, more commonly, parchment, which was made from animal skins), ink, and books had to be made by hand. In fact, before the printing press in the 1400's, books were so scarce because they had to be written by hand, which was a long and difficult process.

 

So, yeah. If you're a religious or philosophical leader in ancient or medieval times, and you have what you think are very important religious or philosophical answers to life that you want to share with the unwashed masses, then when you bring your information forth to the public, you're going to make it sound exciting and dramatic so people will listen to you, and you're going to keep repeating your main points so the people you're preaching to will be more likely to remember it. If you're a scholar recording religious or philosophical ideas, knowing that most people aren't going to read it but rather a few educated individuals will read it out loud to illiterate masses for generations to come (think preachers and sermons at church; today it seems redundant for religious leaders to read the Bible out loud since we can read it ourselves on our own time, but throughout most of history people relied on their preachers to tell them what the religious texts even said), you're going to write it to be "flowery, dramatic, and repetitive" so the more times the religious leaders recite it out loud, the more likely the masses are to remember.

 

Does that make sense? We can afford to be short and concise today (and have been for only a few centuries) because we have a mostly literate population, along with access to lots of paper, ink, and computers to store our information. We can just pull up any book or document or website giving us the information we need. But during the time that most of these religious and philosophical documents were written (the Bible, Confucius, etc), most people relied on word-of-mouth and memory to remember, so these ancient religious and philosophical documents had to be dramatic and repetitious so the people hearing The Word would be able to remember it.


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I have internet again (at last!), so...

 

More fanart! :D

 

... Well, just two:

 

Trespasser!Solas

 

Shirtless Solas in the seaside

 

Cheers! Now to read through the pages I missed... ^-^


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Dunno if the Evanuris are the Old gods but these fan arts help me to give them a less nebulous  appearance to both sides.

 

Elgar’nan God of vengeance

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 Mythal: the Great Protector
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Falon'Din: Friend of the Dead, the Guide
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Dirthamen: Keeper of Secrets
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Andruil: Goddess of the Hunt
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Sylaise: the Hearthkeeper 
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June: God of the Craft
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Ghilan'nain: Mother of the Halla 
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Old gods
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The art above is drawn by ...

http://alteya.deviantart.com/

 

Except for the last two...dunno who drew those.

 

The Ghilan'nain artwork was drawn by: http://silverchimaera-art.tumblr.com/ :wizard:

 

Beautiful arts; thanks for posting the sources, Night and Capricorn! <3

 

Just a friendly reminder of how absolutely important it is to credit artwork when sharing online, or anywhere, really. If one doesn't know the source, a reverse google image search will often do the trick (more information in the first link provided).

 

So please everyone, remember to post your sources and gently remind those who don't why it matters. That way, artists can feel supported and safe to continue creating amazing stuff for us to share and admire.


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I believe the romance is going to end with either Solas or the Inquisitor sacrificing their own life so the other one can live... The player can decide which one dies. Kind of like the choice between Hawke and the Warden Ally in DAI. Every DA protagonist so far has had the chance to die heroically in the game (Warden and US, Hawke and the Nightmare). So it seems likely that the Inquisitor will have similar fate. Of course we may have no choice at all... if you drank from the Well of Sorrows either Mythal or now maybe Solas can control you, if so he might do the same thing as Alistair did in the battle of Denerim. Or if the anchor is still part of the Inquisitor then maybe it will kill them instead because they have been slowly dying all along... Inquisitors death would also make sense since they are 'Andraste's Herald', after all;

 

"Let the blade pass through the flesh,

Let my blood touch the ground,

Let my cries touch their hearts,

Let mine be the last sacrifice."

 

That's my guess anyway.  :D Can't wait to see what happens...

 

That can potentially be one of the most badass yet heartbreaking scenes in the next DA. Especially if Solas or Inquisitor echoes Andraste's lines.

 

... I kinda want to see this scenario happen, but dreading it at the same time (because FEELS). :lol:  :wacko:  :ph34r:  



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That can potentially be one of the most badass yet heartbreaking scenes in the next DA. Especially if Solas or Inquisitor echoes Andraste's lines.

 

... I kinda want to see this scenario happen, but dreading it at the same time (because FEELS). :lol:  :wacko:  :ph34r:  

 

You are dreading it ? That is quite a wolfish thing to say, wouldn't you agree ? Perhaps we could rebel against or trick our way out of it. By doing so, we could give a hand and make our mark on this orb that we stand on.

 

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I have had this endding image in my head for days. Ever since I played trespasser.
The HoF or new hero if faceing off agenst Solas. As they try to get to him, a romanced Lathellon steps between them and takes a killing blow. Solas, angry and greaveing decdes to tear down the vail.. without a second thought.
...
But this is just my own angst filled mind at work

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Beautiful arts; thanks for posting the sources, Night and Capricorn! <3

 

Just a friendly reminder of how absolutely important it is to credit artwork when sharing online, or anywhere, really. If one doesn't know the source, a reverse google image search will often do the trick (more information in the first link provided).

 

So please everyone, remember to post your sources and gently remind those who don't why it matters. That way, artists can feel supported and safe to continue creating amazing stuff for us to share and admire.

 

You are right, and I realized the last time I linked an image I was tired and did not do it properly, so now I have fixed it (or so I hope, I'm still tired!). :P

 

And please, try to be optimistic about Solas - I have an exam in a week and there is no time for me to descend into Solavellan hell again! :P :unsure: :crying:  


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My favorite armor  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:


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"Do not trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands."

 

I believe the romance is going to end with either Solas or the Inquisitor sacrificing their own life so the other one can live... The player can decide which one dies. Kind of like the choice between Hawke and the Warden Ally in DAI. Every DA protagonist so far has had the chance to die heroically in the game (Warden and US, Hawke and the Nightmare). So it seems likely that the Inquisitor will have similar fate. Of course we may have no choice at all... if you drank from the Well of Sorrows either Mythal or now maybe Solas can control you, if so he might do the same thing as Alistair did in the battle of Denerim. Or if the anchor is still part of the Inquisitor then maybe it will kill them instead because they have been slowly dying all along... Inquisitors death would also make sense since they are 'Andraste's Herald', after all;

 

"Let the blade pass through the flesh,

Let my blood touch the ground,

Let my cries touch their hearts,

Let mine be the last sacrifice."

 

That's my guess anyway.  :D Can't wait to see what happens...

 

Nah, the Solasmance was a path choosen only by a portion of players, so chances are pretty slim that they'll give Solasmancers a choice like that with such an important character. Besides, the sadistic choice trope really only works when the fandom has a universally positive opinion on a character, like Alistair and Hawke (Which is why they pulled the sadistic choice with Alistair (Twice!) and Hawke.) Opinions on Solas, however, are more evenly split, and everyone on the opposite end of the scale from us would find it too easy to sacrifice him. They might do it, but it wouldn't have the same punch as it would with other characters. 

 

Which is why the main "theme" they seem to be going for with Solas is redeem/condemn, because that better fits a character as controversial as him. It preserves the ambiguity of him, and allows the player to decide if he's right or wrong, a tragic villain or a callous dick. Like, that's what the choice in Trespasser was all about - do you think is Solas just a good guy who needs to be persuaded off his bad path, or is he a selfish monster that can't be saved? Your choice will depend on what you think of him.

 

A sacrifice choice would sort of pull away from that, because it's a more... I don't want to say straightforward choice, because choosing between two things you like can be difficult. But it's more like... you don't have to analyze the character as much, you just have to decide how much you like them. Does that make sense? Characters like Alistair are valuable because they're well-liked - but also pretty simple and straightforward, and you won't get a lot of varying interpretations on them. Characters like Solas are valuable because they're complex and ambiguous, and can generate many different opinions and interpretations. Good writing should utilize them in different ways.

 

So, rather than "Would you save Solas at the cost of your Inquisitor?" a better choice would be "Would you save Solas?" full stop. 


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You are dreading it ? That is quite a wolfish thing to say, wouldn't you agree ? Perhaps we could rebel against or trick our way out of it. By doing so, we could give a hand and make our mark on this orb that we stand on.

 

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hhnnnngg!

 

okay I'm done.


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*Appears.*

Song about Solas being all conflicted: Rhodes - Losing it

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 Or put in the end of the youtube url stuff: si6eDqJfNlU

Made a shameful amount of edits to this post *sigh* I suck at this stuff,

​I really do.

*Disappears.*



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You are right, and I realized the last time I linked an image I was tired and did not do it properly, so now I have fixed it (or so I hope, I'm still tired!). :P

 

And please, try to be optimistic about Solas - I have an exam in a week and there is no time for me to descend into Solavellan hell again! :P :unsure: :crying:  

 

The world needs more people like you! Thanks for doing the right thing. :3

 

Here's an optimistic Solas-ism: he has a nice bum. I am optimistic that his bum will remain nice. Therefore, everything will be fine, because his bum is fine.

 

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Edit: Formatting.


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... I probably shouldn't be surprised that this exists, given the existence of arguably even more useless or bizarre products, but still - Bald Guyz Head Wipes???? Wat?

 

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... I probably shouldn't be surprised that this exists, given the existence of arguably even more useless or bizarre products, but still - Bald Guyz Head Wipes???? Wat?

 

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That's an oddly specific target consumer.. Like..a handkerchief or tissue don't work? haha. I like seeing weirdly specific items.



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... I probably shouldn't be surprised that this exists, given the existence of arguably even more useless or bizarre products, but still - Bald Guyz Head Wipes???? Wat?

 

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Someone needs to photoshop Solas onto the front, stat.



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Someone needs to photoshop Solas onto the front, stat.

 

Bald Guyz Fade Wipes.

 

Cleanse Yourself For A Better Fade Dreaming Experience !


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Someone needs to photoshop Solas onto the front, stat.

The deed is done. Behold: My terrible Photoshop skils!

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I accidentally miscredited.. I guess I shouldn't post things at 3 AM.

So I replaced it with my own screenshot.

..I like him angry anyway. :P


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The deed is done. Behold: My terrible Photoshop skils!

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PFFFF omg. I laughed so abruptly I spat. It's beautiful. ಥ‿ಥ


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Art post.

 

Solavellan family time in Lavellan's secret garden with the kids. (SO PRETTY! <3)

 

Gorgeous art of Solas and the orb by kallielef.

 

Picking your mage specialization. :lol:

 

Modern AU Solavellan bumping (crashing? xD) into each other. :lol:

 

Lovely artwork of Lavellan and the Dread Wolf.

 

Din'anshiral

 

Divine Solas. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 


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This is why you pick Necromancer. as specialization :D

 

I mean here is the Necromancer character, Sidony's tarot card from DAI Multiplayer :-

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Sidony looks like she is having an orgy with the dead and the bowl she is holding is most likely filled with liquid undead viagra or something.

 

The should have straight up called the Necromancer specialization as Necrophilia specialization. :P


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*wanders into the thread*

 

Oh, hai guys what's goi-  ... undead orgies ... uh, um see y'all later!

 

*runs out*

 

 

I've seen Sidony's card before and I did not see undead orgy in there.  Sometimes I wonder when people see these things if I should be worried at my lack of imagination b/c that would never have occurred to me or be relieved at my lack of imagination b/c that would never have occurred to me .... 

 

And now, thanks to Bayonet Hipshot, I will never be able to look at Sidony's card in the same way again.


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*wanders into the thread*

 

Oh, hai guys what's goi-  ... undead orgies ... uh, um see y'all later!

 

*runs out*

 

 

I've seen Sidony's card before and I did not see undead orgy in there.  Sometimes I wonder when people see these things if I should be worried at my lack of imagination b/c that would never have occurred to me or be relieved at my lack of imagination b/c that would never have occurred to me .... 

 

And now, thanks to Bayonet Hipshot, I will never be able to look at Sidony's card in the same way again.

 

You didn't see it ? Here's my thought process when I saw Sidony's card:-

  1. Hmm, interesting picture. A bit creepy, but interesting.
  2. Wait a minute, why does it look like she being groped by rotten hands ?
  3. Oh, those are corpses. She is being groped by corpses.
  4. Doesn't look like she is resisting it. Maybe she is into it ? I guess people do have different tastes.
  5. Wait, Wiki page here says she's a Necromancer from Nevarra.
  6. Huh. So Sidony is a necromancer that has orgies with corpses. I guess that's a Nevarran thing. Need to ask Cassandra or Viuus Anaxas about it in game.
  7. *Looks for any dialogue on Nevarran Undead Orgies*...Goddamit Bioware, why didn't you let us talk about this to Cassandra or Anaxas ?! It would have made for an interesting dialogue !
  8. *Makes a mental note to play DAI Multiplayer as Sidony a lot more*

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You didn't see it ? When I first saw Sidony's card, I saw a female mage being groped by corpses and that she wasn't resisting. After seeing that Sidony is a Necromancer, I came to the conclusion that she was having some fun times with some corpses.

 

 

Lol no, I saw the card and thought, "Huh, well isn't that creepy"   =x



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Lol no, I saw the card and thought, "Huh, well isn't that creepy"   =x

 

I edited my response. Check it out. It appears we start off with the same observation but reach very different conclusions. :P