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Couldn't one say that the endings of Dragon Age Origins "conclusively tied off this protagonist" with regards to the Warden? In fact, much more conclusively than the events of Trespasser did the Inquisitor b/c the Warden had no real hanging plot threads by the end. They slayed the archdemon, and either lived to be a hero or died in the attempt. Their goal was accomplished. And yet the Warden, if alive, still returns as Warden Commander of Amaranthine to experience a whole new, mostly unconnected adventure. 

 

The story of the Inquisition, and our role as its leader, is concluded. If you consider the protagonist to be the Inquisitor (or the Inquisition itself) then its possible to say "mission accomplished". The person behind the Inquisitor role(Trevelyan/Lavellan/Cadash/Adaar), however, has more to deal with still, as the DLC itself shows with the fervent planning in the basement that all PCs see no matter their choices. 

 

I'm not trying to be overly literal here with this slide. I think this differentiation btwn the Inquisitor and Trevelyan/Lavellan/Cadash/Adaar is a valid interpretation b/c it would actually be keeping with the theme of how the Inquisitor (and the Herald of Andraste) was becoming a symbol that was almost a separate entity from the actual person behind it. Many companions commented on it: Varric, Cassandra, Vivienne, etc. And there was a general theme of people wearing a mask or Becoming the Mask throughout the entire game. It wouldn't surprise me if the dev team also thought of the Inquisitor in this way on a meta-level. And, due to this, its entirely possible for them to say they want to "tie up" the Inquisitor as protagonist in DA3 and still have Trevelyan/Lavellan/Cadash/Adaar playable in some capacity in DA4.

 

tl;dr that slide doesn't rule out being able to play as your Inquisitor at some point in DA4, imo.

 

I've wondered that. Trespasser did tie up a lot of stuff - the Inquisition, the rifts, most of the companions. Solas (And Dorian, to a lesser extent) was left hanging, and the obvious question of how to handle him was introduced. But the arc presented in Inquisition, of why the Breach happened, who made it happen, and what happened to the people who stopped it - that was mostly resolved. 

 

I mean, part of what would make this so absurd (assuming we never see or play the Inquisitor again.) is how unnecessary it is. It's not really a continuation of Inquisition's arc - that was all Corypheus and the Breach and the emerging Inquisition. Solas was related, but (Before Trespasser) it was a small and vague relation that could've been expanded upon with a different character. Trespasser could've been solely about the Qunari and the fate of the Inquisition. We could've battled through Qunari forts instead of elven ruins. We could've been aided by some "mysterious benefactor" who never reveals himself, instead of an old ally who stops to monologue us at the end. At the very end, someone could ask the Inquisitor "what will you do now?" and one of the replies could've been "I've got an old friend to find."A new story could've been hinted at, without being dropped straight into the Inquisitor's lap. The story Inquisition gave us would've been tied up for good, and the Inquisitor could ride off to find some new adventure. It's not much different from what they did to the Warden. 

 

It still would've felt a little hollow, because the question of Solas would still remain, but they would've solved all the story lines they had going without dragging any others into the spotlight. 

 

But they didn't do that. They did tie up the Inquisitor's story... and then they dropped a whole new one in their lap.

 

So, maybe that is how BioWare sees it - the story of the Inquisition is over (And it is - The Inquisition's diminished, the Mark's gone, we're unlikely to see most of the companions in anything but cameo roles in the future.), but that's not necessarily the story of the Inquisitor. Because honestly, I know I don't have as much faith as I used to in BioWare, but I can't believe they'd be dumb enough to drop a plotline like that on a character and then completely remove them from the story - it'd be like if the last Star Wars movie ended with some rando on the other side of the galaxy assassinating Darth Vader while Luke cried over his severed hand.

 

But, maybe that's just wishful thinking.


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Art break. 

 

'Penance' by nipuni. Wow!  :o (There be blood and some likeness to a certain religious someone.)

 

Cute comic of the first time Lavellan (set pre-relationship and has a BIG CRUSH on him)

had to sleep in the same tent with Solas because she forgot her sleeping bag. :lol:

 

Solas with and without hair. (Gorgeous!)

 

Sera picking on Solas. :P

 

Solas and Sera carrying an unconcious male Trevelyan based on Feynite's Dick!Herald AU. :P

 

Solas in a flower crown. :D Based on this post.


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Kind of off topic, but doesn't this guy look just like a miniature nug?  He's so cute!!! :D

https://www.thedodo....1664323905.html


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I'll just drop this here. Chapter 25 is posted for any that are reading it. SFW


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One of my friends just posted this.  I think it's been posted in here before. :-P

 

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For those hoping to stop/save Solas as the Inquisitor, I have some bad news. Bioware confirmed at a panel that one of the goals of the Trespasser DLC was to "conclusively tie off this protagonist". 

Spoiler

 

BIOWARE, YOU MOTHERF***ER.

 

anigif_enhanced-buzz-30742-1380680075-0.

 

If we're not going to be the Inquisitor again, then I am REALLY PISSED my options were so ****ING LIMITED. What the hell was the point in limiting my options in the end of that encounter with Solas, if I'm not even going to able to play as the bloody character?! I should have been able to JOIN WITH SOLAS if they weren't going to let me play as my INQUISITOR again, DANG IT! 

 

I'm so sad mad right now. I don't even want to play the next stupid Dragon Age game. I mean, seriously. The only reason I let them get away with that ending in the first place is that I thought I'd be able to play as my Inquisitor in the next game. T_T *cries in bed forever while throwing pillows and small stuffies at the computer screen in angst*


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Art post.

 

Lovely artwork of Lavellan and Solas in fancy outfits. One version with Solas with hair and another with bald Solas.

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'I'm so sorry Vhenan'. :( (Solavellan)

 

Completed/finished comic of Lavellan working on some papers while Solas eventually falls asleep on the couch. (Cuteness ensues! <3 )

 

Turtle Solas in hiding by drosophilia! :D (So cute!)

 

Solas warmup sketch.

 

Umm.... a very, very bloodied Solas.  :blink: (Like REALLY bloody!)

 

Solas comforting Cole. Based on this post.

 

Sesshomaru from Inuyasha and Solas.


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I have begun the new fic.

 

Looking forward to writing the next chapter!

 

No Solas yet, but he'll be around in the next chapter or two.

 

OCxSolas (probably.  My OC can be pretty sassy and she might not go along with that idea in the end.  I think it'll work though.)  Third person POV, not a self insert.  Character's not a blank slate, and in this case, she's got people who care about her and a pretty good life to look forward to only to be snatched away.  Hopefully that's a bit different--I know a lot of OC oriented fics have the OC have a terrible life, etc.


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BIOWARE, YOU MOTHERF***ER.

 

anigif_enhanced-buzz-30742-1380680075-0.

 

If we're not going to be the Inquisitor again, then I am REALLY PISSED my options were so ****ING LIMITED. What the hell was the point in limiting my options in the end of that encounter with Solas, if I'm not even going to able to play as the bloody character?! I should have been able to JOIN WITH SOLAS if they weren't going to let me play as my INQUISITOR again, DANG IT! 

 

I'm so sad mad right now. I don't even want to play the next stupid Dragon Age game. I mean, seriously. The only reason I let them get away with that ending in the first place is that I thought I'd be able to play as my Inquisitor in the next game. T_T *cries in bed forever while throwing pillows and small stuffies at the computer screen in angst*

 

 

Even if we don't get to play as the Inquisitor again, they obviously have some role to play in the upcoming story - in which case the writers needed all Inquisitors to be in the same place/state.

 

To go on a slight tangent, I still think it's possible we won't actually directly deal with Solas in the next game.  It may be all about finding out what exactly his plans are and figuring out how to stop him or maybe it starts out that way and then (of course) something else pops up that we need to deal with - because let's face it, Thedas is a mess.  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we start out in Tevinter and a Qunari invasion happens (which of course we have to stop) and then OMG a Blight with the (presumably) last 2 Archdemons occurs and then the Evanuris wake up and start even more crap.  And at the end of the game it's all like ... oh right,  Solas is going to destroy the world (or whatever it is he's planning), we totally forgot!  Thedas is like that.


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This song makes me think of the end of Trespasser & Solavellan

 

 

Calling your name in the midnight hour

Reaching for you from the endless dream

So many miles between us now

But you are always here with me

 

"...still she searched and dreamed and waited for a way to change the Dread Wolf's heart."

 

Two worlds in your hands in your heart

It's one universe

You are always here with me

 

Solas' inner struggle. Also reminds me of what Inquisitor once said to Mother Giselle: "All of this happened because of fanatics and arguments about the next world. It's time we start believing in this one."


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To go on a slight tangent, I still think it's possible we won't actually directly deal with Solas in the next game.  It may be all about finding out what exactly his plans are and figuring out how to stop him or maybe it starts out that way and then (of course) something else pops up that we need to deal with - because let's face it, Thedas is a mess.  It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we start out in Tevinter and a Qunari invasion happens (which of course we have to stop) and then OMG a Blight with the (presumably) last 2 Archdemons occurs and then the Evanuris wake up and start even more crap.  And at the end of the game it's all like ... oh right,  Solas is going to destroy the world (or whatever it is he's planning), we totally forgot!  Thedas is like that.

 

I had thought that initially too, but then remember Weekes' tweet that Solasmancers will get closure in the next game? I think it's unlikely we can get closure before redeeming him - unless, of course, something extremely unpalatable happens. I fully expect drama unrelated to Solas to be happening concurrently in Tevinter, though.



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I had thought that initially too, but then remember Weekes' tweet that Solasmancers will get closure in the next game? I think it's unlikely we can get closure before redeeming him - unless, of course, something extremely unpalatable happens. I fully expect drama unrelated to Solas to be happening concurrently in Tevinter, though.

 

As I recall, Weekes said he *wanted* to provide closure for Solasmancers provided there is a next game.  Anyone want to dig through his tweets to find it?  I am way too lazy to do that lol.   =x



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As I recall, Weekes said he *wanted* to provide closure for Solasmancers provided there is a next game.  Anyone want to dig through his tweets to find it?  I am way too lazy to do that lol.   =x

 

Damn, you're right! And no one mentioned DA4, just the nebulous "future":

 

https://twitter.com/...741652915163136



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Damn, you're right! And no one mentioned DA4, just the nebulous "future":

 

https://twitter.com/...741652915163136

 

Um, don't forget that he said that "he hopes Trespasser makes that clear". So basically, he confirms that the way they've set up the story, with hints suggesting that Inky will be present in DA 4, is fully intentional and so far as things go well in development, it's not something they'd just forget about or throw away - there will be a continuation, even if we won't be playing Inky as main PC.


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Biofan's interview with Patrick Weekes will be released tomorrow (1 PM CST)... perhaps it will shed some light on the situation.  :)

 

Or Weekes will troll us once again, it would not be the first time.  :P


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Um, don't forget that he said that "he hopes Trespasser makes that clear". So basically, he confirms that the way they've set up the story, with hints suggesting that Inky will be present in DA 4, is fully intentional and so far as things go well in development, it's not something they'd just forget about or throw away - there will be a continuation, even if we won't be playing Inky as main PC.

 

Yes, I'm sure the Inquisitor must come back in some capacity, if the ending of Trespasser is to make any sense. What I meant was that it's not clear when we will get to face Solas again. Elessara's theory that we might end up facing him in DA5 instead is not implausible.


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Biofan's interview with Patrick Weekes will be released tomorrow (1 PM CST)... perhaps it will shed some light on the situation.  :)

 

Or Weekes will troll us once again, it would not be the first time.  :P

 

I am betting on the latter.  Especially since I doubt he's been given the go ahead to actually reveal anything.

 

Anyone want to take that bet?


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Yes, I'm sure the Inquisitor must come back in some capacity, if the ending of Trespasser is to make any sense. What I meant was that it's not clear when we will get to face Solas again. Elessara's theory that we might end up facing him in DA5 instead is not implausible.

 

I don't wanna be right though!  Hopefully I'm not. 


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Art break. 

 

Beautiful sketch of Solas, Vivienne, and Dorian by kallielef. <3

 

Solavellan WIP(?)

 

Adorable art of Solas and Lavellan at Halamshiral with Lavellan wearing Solas' hat.  ^_^

 

Sketch of Solas having drinks with male Lavellan. (Hot elves <3 )

 

Adaar can't see in the dark... but Solas, Sera, and Varric can. :P (Glowing elf and dwarf eyes ;) )

 

Solas sketch.


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I had thought that initially too, but then remember Weekes' tweet that Solasmancers will get closure in the next game? I think it's unlikely we can get closure before redeeming him - unless, of course, something extremely unpalatable happens. I fully expect drama unrelated to Solas to be happening concurrently in Tevinter, though.

Wait what?! Can you show me the tweet you are referring to from Weekes?  This is all I desire  :wub:

 

I just hope that the 'closure' we get in the next game goes beyond how Hawke was handled in DA3. I just didn't like how all the past events from DAII were reduced to dialogue options in stiffly animated conversations on the ramparts of Skyhold or at Varric's spot in the main hall, and one line in the fade. I mean, I don't know... I want it to be more interactive and incorporated into the game. I don't know if the Bioware team has really seen our suggestion of dual protagonists? It doesn't even need to be for the whole game, but if you recall how...forgive me if I refer to TW3 again... Ciri was handled? She was a controllable character for *sections* of the game. And I think this would be a beautiful way to incorporate the inquisitor. Yes, feel free to have a brand new protagonist for the majority of the game, but I would also like large, substantial chapters or sections in which the inquisitor is the controllable character. This would please everyone, if done well. Or, perhaps, the inquisitor could be a companion!


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I am betting on the latter.  Especially since I doubt he's been given the go ahead to actually reveal anything.

 

Anyone want to take that bet?

The struggle is real  :unsure:



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Wait what?! Can you show me the tweet you are referring to from Weekes?  This is all I desire  :wub:

 

I just hope that the 'closure' we get in the next game goes beyond how Hawke was handled in DA3. I just didn't like how all the past events from DAII were reduced to dialogue options in stiffly animated conversations on the ramparts of Skyhold or at Varric's spot in the main hall, and one line in the fade. I mean, I don't know... I want it to be more interactive and incorporated into the game. I don't know if the Bioware team has really seen our suggestion of dual protagonists? It doesn't even need to be for the whole game, but if you recall how...forgive me if I refer to TW3 again... Ciri was handled? She was a controllable character for *sections* of the game. And I think this would be a beautiful way to incorporate the inquisitor. Yes, feel free to have a brand new protagonist for the majority of the game, but I would also like large, substantial chapters or sections in which the inquisitor is the controllable character. This would please everyone, if done well. Or, perhaps, the inquisitor could be a companion!

 

Yeah... not as conclusive as I remembered unfortunately, sorry about that  :( : https://twitter.com/...741652915163136

 

I like the idea of a dual protagonist approach, but I hope we get much, much more of the Inquisitor than we got Ciri in TW3. I didn't quite like how we only got to play Ciri for 15 minutes at a time, because it never felt sufficient to give me a feel for her character. I'd love to be able to do exploration, dialogue, cutscenes, quests, levelling up and all that with our Inquisitor.


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Art post.

 

"You make life more than just a dream."

Beautiful artwork of Solas and Lavellan kissing on the balcony.  :wub:

 

A peaceful looking Solas and Vir Lavellan from The Unending Wake^_^

 

Solas and Lavellan Trespasser epilogue.

 

"Vhenan". Trespasser Solas. :(

 

Copic and pencil art of Solas and the Orb.

 

Ink sketch of Solas.

 

Lifeguard!Solas. ;) (NSFW-ish?)


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Yeah... not as conclusive as I remembered unfortunately, sorry about that :( : https://twitter.com/...741652915163136

I like the idea of a dual protagonist approach, but I hope we get much, much more of the Inquisitor than we got Ciri in TW3. I didn't quite like how we only got to play Ciri for 15 minutes at a time, because it never felt sufficient to give me a feel for her character. I'd love to be able to do exploration, dialogue, cutscenes, quests, levelling up and all that with our Inquisitor.


Of course, the more tru solavellan, the better. Unfortunately I have little faith they will do this.
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What do you think about this :- http://forum.bioware...re-veil-world/