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[Addictress]

It's probably just that I'm too tired to grasp what they're trying to get at... but I don't really get it either?

Maybe if someone had the 2 videos playing side by side on YouTube?

All I'm seeing is a similarity between "Solas enters stage left" and "Inquisitor enters stage left." Solas and Mythal are in the same relative spaces on the screen.

Other than that... I don't know? Solas takes Mythal's power, and dispels yours.

Maybe the implication is Solas is the Inquisitor's Mythal, somehow? Bleh, that doesn't make sense. But if it were the case then it would mean we're going to kill Solas and steal his power with the Inquisitor (who's no longer "us" in the next game)...

I'm sure I'm missing whatever it is people are seeing though. 100% sure. Could someone enlighten me?

"Solas is the inquisitor's Mythal"

That symbolism would only work if the glowy eyes were switched, like the inquisitor's eyes glowed instead. However, it's Solas' eyes that glow in both scenes, so I don't think this works.

[Addictress]

Someone on Tumblr did a gif comparison of the two scenes...

Source: http://smalllady.tum...st/141349684903





My mind is blown... What does this meeaann?

Perhaps....he took some of the anchor power from Quizzy in the way he took Mythal's power.

It's just confusing at first because he could've tried to take the anchor's power sooner...he could've approached the inquisitor immediately after his strength was restored.

But perhaps he was precognizant that the Inquisitor would eventually come to him, and his long-term strategy is such that he could be patient and await the encounter just so. Such that he expected the Inquisitor behind him as he stepped toward the Eluvian. It was all in his design.

He's "not a monster" and wanted the Inquisitor to have an arm a while longer. After all, they did need that arm and the anchor to do their part in stopping the Qunari, which Solas wanted as well.

[Brass_Buckles]

Perhaps....he took some of the anchor power from Quizzy in the way he took Mythal's power.

It's just confusing at first because he could've tried to take the anchor's power sooner...he could've approached the inquisitor immediately after his strength was restored.

But perhaps he was precognizant that the Inquisitor would eventually come to him, and his long-term strategy is such that he could be patient and await the encounter just so. Such that he expected the Inquisitor behind him as he stepped toward the Eluvian. It was all in his design.

He's "not a monster" and wanted the Inquisitor to have an arm a while longer. After all, they did need that arm and the anchor to do their part in stopping the Qunari, which Solas wanted as well.

 

I think it may be closer to the truth that people who said Mythal took over Solas were right.  Maybe he's not entirely taken over, but maybe Mythal's will now drives him.

 

Although it's also likely he was under a geas the entire time--it would explain why his intent to do what he sees as his duty cannot be turned aside no matter what we do or say in Inquisition.  And he comes very close, if you romance him... only he just can't stop.

 

Taking the Anchor's power back makes a certain amount of sense--with how it was doing massive magical explosions, it must have had a tremendous amount of magic in it.  Dispelling it might not have been entirely successful.  So absorbing that power might actually be wiser than setting it loose.

 

And yet, if Solas took our power, why is he in the Mythal role this time?  Note he's in Mythal's position the whole way through.  Why?  Is it that he's the one losing something this time? If so, then... What?  Himself?  His connection to the Inquisitor?

 

There could be something to the magic colors.  If Solas's anchor is green, shouldn't his magic be green?  But he takes Mythal's power, and he's got a blue or violet glow now.  Might be a silly observation, but it might also be relevant.

 

Something that might be important to understand what the parallel is about that Mythal expects Solas to come, and Solas expects the Inquisitor to come.  Mythal knows what Solas wants, and Solas believes the Inquisitor wants answers (as well as rescue from the magic hand).

 

If Solas told us the truth about not wanting to cause unnecessary harm/death, then it implies that he believes Mythal's death was necessary to his goals.  It also implies that he feels his goal is so important that it is worth any amount of death.  Food for thought.  If he had needed to kill the Inquisitor, the Inquisitor would be dead.

 

Solas viewed Felassan's death as necessary as well.  Felassan had betrayed him, and was not going to help him.  Therefore, Felassan had to die.

 

So why, knowing the Inquisitor will oppose him one way or another, is the Inquisitor's death not necessary?  Or is it more that the Inquisitor's death would be too inconvenient for his plans (cause too much chaos etc) such that it's better not to kill the Inquisitor, at least not yet?

 

And this brings me back full circle to the question I posted as its own thread:  Knowing he hates unnecessary death, knowing he prefers to be kind to people, knowing that if you friended or romanced him he sees the people of modern Thedas as people... what is so big about this goal of his, that he feels that the tremendous amount of death and destruction it's going to cause, is necessary?  Because that seems to be the case.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Mages of the Inquisition by nipuni. 

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Source: http://nipuni.tumblr...the-inquisition

 

 

And may the Dread Wolf never catch your scent. (Solavellan)

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Source: http://athousanddayy...atch-your-scent

 

 

Close up:

 

 

Bloodied Solas and Lavellan.

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Source: http://eggpreg.tumbl...the-truth-honey

 

 

Beautiful artwork of Solas and Lavellan cuddling (NSFW-ish for nudity.)

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Source: http://queensoledad....cond-solas-smut

 

 

Aerys Lavellan and Solas' ideal date.

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Source: http://niklisson.tum...all-of-your-ocs

 

 

One Punch Wolf.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...-uhtsceatha-why

 

 

Sketch of Solas in salesart's favorite color.

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Source: http://salesart.tumb...hed-solas-in-my

 

 

Painting of Solas.

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Source: http://raniart.tumbl...st/141326706717

 

 

Solas again.

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Source: http://stolen-wings....-be-sleepingugh

 

[Elessara]

I see the similarities in the scene now but I need stuff like this spelled out for me lol.  Some other things I noticed too .. wasn't the scene between Solas and Flemeth darker?  In lighting that is and of course someone died.  But the scene between Solas and the Inquisitor is brighter.  Also no one dies.  But keep in mind this may not have anything to do with Solas and Mythal once being lovers.  The question asked (I believe) was more clarity in the stinger scene between Flemeth and Solas and Weekes suggested looking at them side by side.  A hostile Inquisitor has the same scene.

 

Possibly Solas once fought against Mythal the same way the Inquisitor is fighting against Solas so in that way yes, he could very well be the Inquisitor's Mythal.

[Sifr]

"Solas is the inquisitor's Mythal"

That symbolism would only work if the glowy eyes were switched, like the inquisitor's eyes glowed instead. However, it's Solas' eyes that glow in both scenes, so I don't think this works.

 

Unless you consider that in Trespasser, we did gain an Anchor ability that made our eyes glow...

[ladyiolanthe]

I just finished re-reading The Masked Empire. I had read it before DAI came out and figured I ought to read it now that I know about Solas and Felassan, etc.

 

I think just before Fen'Harel killed Felassan, Felassan was about to say that Briala was very similar to whichever female person betrayed Solas back in the dawn of time. The trusted friend about whom he says "I know that mistake well enough to carve the angles of her face from memory."

 

(Incidentally, she would also be the person who made it impossible for him to trust a romanced Lavellan.  Grrrrr!  When I find out who that was...  )

[NightSymphony]

Tiny art break

 

Beautiful Solavellan

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http://mappeli.devia...ellan-597758131

 

 

Hehehe.. Poor Solas.

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http://bbmactoma.dev...-Time-597747545

[midnight tea]

I see the similarities in the scene now but I need stuff like this spelled out for me lol.  Some other things I noticed too .. wasn't the scene between Solas and Flemeth darker?  In lighting that is and of course someone died.  But the scene between Solas and the Inquisitor is brighter.  Also no one dies.  But keep in mind this may not have anything to do with Solas and Mythal once being lovers.  The question asked (I believe) was more clarity in the stinger scene between Flemeth and Solas and Weekes suggested looking at them side by side.  A hostile Inquisitor has the same scene.

 

Possibly Solas once fought against Mythal the same way the Inquisitor is fighting against Solas so in that way yes, he could very well be the Inquisitor's Mythal.

 

I wouldn't take the scene too literally It isn't supposed to be a perfect analogue, but - like with many arcs or visuals in Inquisition - it's supposed to subtly reverberate a theme.

 

Also - why would it indicate that Solas and Mythal were lovers? Aside from the 3rd screenshot, every single Inky, no matter or race or approval level, approaches Solas in a way that mirrors Solas approaching Flemeth.

 

Anyway, I don't really think this has anything to do with personal relationship between Mythal and Solas - what it probably is... is succession.

 

Morrigan may have been groomed by Flemythal to be her inheritor, but Solas is most likely the successor of her fight. Not in a sense that she controls him, but likely meaning that they worked or likely still work together, or agree on one major goal. I also wouldn't be surprised if it somewhat confirmed what I suspected for a while, and that is that in times long past Mythal groomed Solas to be her true successor, meant to replace the Evanuris project fiasco. Perhaps he still is, in some sort of way.

 

That casts an interesting light on relationship between Solas and Inky - for a while I've been throwing an idea that Solas sees Inquisitor (especially approved one) as their successor, symbolized not only by Inquisitor wielding part of his power, but also being given his hidden stronghold (and an important one, since it's a place where likely the Veil was either created or first lifted) and the throne hidden within it.

 

Of course, this doesn't necessarily means that the succession itself is literal as well - as if Inquisitor is supposed to become something like Mythal or Solas were in the past. But perhaps in a future they either are supposed to continue his fight, or make some heart-wrenching decisions about the world at large.

 

I mean, that part of interpretation is already true, considering that Inquisitor already was the only person capable of saving, or perhaps even changing Thedas (Solas remarks that Inquisitor "changes the world" start to sound even more interesting, ey?), and if BW continues with the way they've set things in Trespasser, they're still the only person who has any chance to stop/save Solas... and there's no way of telling what they'd have to do in order to accomplish it.

[Elessara]

I wouldn't take the scene too literally It isn't supposed to be a perfect analogue, but - like with many arcs or visuals in Inquisition - it's supposed to subtly reverberate a theme.

 

Also - why would it indicate that Solas and Mythal were lovers? Aside from the 3rd screenshot, every single Inky, no matter or race or approval level, approaches Solas in a way that mirrors Solas approaching Flemeth.

 

 

This part ... *I* did not say it indicates they were lovers.  Someone above said that and I was saying no it probably doesn't because every Inquisitor gets that scene in Trespasser, romanced or not.

[Ellawynn]

Someone on Tumblr did a gif comparison of the two scenes...

 

Source: http://smalllady.tum...st/141349684903

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My mind is blown... What does this meeaann? 

 

Probably nothing? The first two are basic cinematography shots - when new character enters scene, have a shot of present characters turning around, and then a shot of the new character entering proper. It's just an over-the-shoulder shot followed by a wide shot, with both adhering to rule-of-thirds. You could probably find countless examples of that exact sequence across cinema.

 

And the third's only similar in that they're both displays of affection. They're not even the same display of affection, or shot similarly, or anything. And it doesn't even happen unless you romance him.

 

Not to mention this gifset ignores all the inbetween bits of the confrontation with Solas. 

 

If that's the "resonance" we're looking for then it's pretty thin, at best.

 

I think it may be closer to the truth that people who said Mythal took over Solas were right.  Maybe he's not entirely taken over, but maybe Mythal's will now drives him.

 

Although it's also likely he was under a geas the entire time--it would explain why his intent to do what he sees as his duty cannot be turned aside no matter what we do or say in Inquisition.  And he comes very close, if you romance him... only he just can't stop.

 

Taking the Anchor's power back makes a certain amount of sense--with how it was doing massive magical explosions, it must have had a tremendous amount of magic in it.  Dispelling it might not have been entirely successful.  So absorbing that power might actually be wiser than setting it loose.

 

And yet, if Solas took our power, why is he in the Mythal role this time?  Note he's in Mythal's position the whole way through.  Why?  Is it that he's the one losing something this time? If so, then... What?  Himself?  His connection to the Inquisitor?

 

There could be something to the magic colors.  If Solas's anchor is green, shouldn't his magic be green?  But he takes Mythal's power, and he's got a blue or violet glow now.  Might be a silly observation, but it might also be relevant.

 

Something that might be important to understand what the parallel is about that Mythal expects Solas to come, and Solas expects the Inquisitor to come.  Mythal knows what Solas wants, and Solas believes the Inquisitor wants answers (as well as rescue from the magic hand).

 

If Solas told us the truth about not wanting to cause unnecessary harm/death, then it implies that he believes Mythal's death was necessary to his goals.  It also implies that he feels his goal is so important that it is worth any amount of death.  Food for thought.  If he had needed to kill the Inquisitor, the Inquisitor would be dead.

 

Solas viewed Felassan's death as necessary as well.  Felassan had betrayed him, and was not going to help him.  Therefore, Felassan had to die.

 

So why, knowing the Inquisitor will oppose him one way or another, is the Inquisitor's death not necessary?  Or is it more that the Inquisitor's death would be too inconvenient for his plans (cause too much chaos etc) such that it's better not to kill the Inquisitor, at least not yet?

 

And this brings me back full circle to the question I posted as its own thread:  Knowing he hates unnecessary death, knowing he prefers to be kind to people, knowing that if you friended or romanced him he sees the people of modern Thedas as people... what is so big about this goal of his, that he feels that the tremendous amount of death and destruction it's going to cause, is necessary?  Because that seems to be the case.

 

Solas didn't kill Felassan simply because he had become an enemy. Solas killed Felassan because he was a traitor with vital information he could expose to other enemies, and had already proven his refusal to carry out orders (Thus making him a useless ally as well as massive security leak.) It was still pretty cold to just up and kill him, but it's slightly more... I don't want to stay justified, but necessitated than killing the Inquisitor would be. Because the Inquisitor will oppose him, but that's all they'll do. They can't completely dismantle him (yet) like Felassan could've. In the same vein, this is why Solas refused to go into detail about his plans. 

 

(And I said it before, I'll say it again - I just flat out hate the idea that Solas is being directly controlled or influenced into doing what he's doing. He's a much more interesting character if he makes these decisions entirely of his own volition. He may not be a nicer character. But he's far more interesting as his own agent rather than an unthinking accessory to Mythal's revenge plan (Which is itself a less interesting motivation, if only because it's so common and straightforward.))

 

As for your last question - I get this sneaking suspicion that part of Solas' arc (And likely how we'll end up redeeming him) is getting him to remember his own values and ideals. Between Spirit!Cole's comment at the end of Trespasser (That whole "he needs me to help remember who he is" or whatever.), his own obvious distaste over what he thinks he has to do, and temptations like using the Well geas on Quizzie/Morrigan - seems to me like the point is that he's going against his own values, and to get him to stop we have to remind him of why he believed so much in those things, why they're important.

 

That being said, Solas implied he did some bad stuff during his rebellion, and some of the other comments he makes are pretty cold. I don't think he was ever some all-loving pacifist - he just doesn't enjoy hurting others. But he seems to be pretty passionate about what he believes is right and wrong, and if someone has to suffer for things to be made right, he'll make it happen. He won't like it, maybe, but he'll do it. "The healer has the bloodiest hands" and all that.

 

Villains like that have always fascinated me...

[Brass_Buckles]

Probably nothing? The first two are basic cinematography shots - when new character enters scene, have a shot of present characters turning around, and then a shot of the new character entering proper. It's just an over-the-shoulder shot followed by a wide shot, with both adhering to rule-of-thirds. You could probably find countless examples of that exact sequence across cinema.

 

And the third's only similar in that they're both displays of affection. They're not even the same display of affection, or shot similarly, or anything. And it doesn't even happen unless you romance him.

 

Not to mention this gifset ignores all the inbetween bits of the confrontation with Solas. 

 

If that's the "resonance" we're looking for then it's pretty thin, at best.

 

 

Solas didn't kill Felassan simply because he had become an enemy. Solas killed Felassan because he was a traitor with vital information he could expose to other enemies, and had already proven his refusal to carry out orders (Thus making him a useless ally as well as massive security leak.) It was still pretty cold to just up and kill him, but it's slightly more... I don't want to stay justified, but necessitated than killing the Inquisitor would be. Because the Inquisitor will oppose him, but that's all they'll do. They can't completely dismantle him (yet) like Felassan could've. In the same vein, this is why Solas refused to go into detail about his plans. 

 

(And I said it before, I'll say it again - I just flat out hate the idea that Solas is being directly controlled or influenced into doing what he's doing. He's a much more interesting character if he makes these decisions entirely of his own volition. He may not be a nicer character. But he's far more interesting as his own agent rather than an unthinking accessory to Mythal's revenge plan (Which is itself a less interesting motivation, if only because it's so common and straightforward.))

 

As for your last question - I get this sneaking suspicion that part of Solas' arc (And likely how we'll end up redeeming him) is getting him to remember his own values and ideals. Between Spirit!Cole's comment at the end of Trespasser (That whole "he needs me to help remember who he is" or whatever.), his own obvious distaste over what he thinks he has to do, and temptations like using the Well geas on Quizzie/Morrigan - seems to me like the point is that he's going against his own values, and to get him to stop we have to remind him of why he believed so much in those things, why they're important.

 

That being said, Solas implied he did some bad stuff during his rebellion, and some of the other comments he makes are pretty cold. I don't think he was ever some all-loving pacifist - he just doesn't enjoy hurting others. But he seems to be pretty passionate about what he believes is right and wrong, and if someone has to suffer for things to be made right, he'll make it happen. He won't like it, maybe, but he'll do it. "The healer has the bloodiest hands" and all that.

 

Villains like that have always fascinated me...

 

I think it's going to turn out to be far more interesting if he's not actually the villain at all, if his plan, or at least the goal his plan is meant to achieve, actually is necessary in some way.

 

My two cents only.

[midnight tea]

This part ... *I* did not say it indicates they were lovers.  Someone above said that and I was saying no it probably doesn't because every Inquisitor gets that scene in Trespasser, romanced or not.

 

No, but you made a mention about the scene being darker and someone has died in Flemeth scene while nobody died in Trespasser scene.

 

This is what I meant, not the romance thing, which was a general comment (probably should've made distinction more clear).

[In Exile]

This part ... *I* did not say it indicates they were lovers.  Someone above said that and I was saying no it probably doesn't because every Inquisitor gets that scene in Trespasser, romanced or not.

 

I think Leliana already summarized the relationship that Solas had with Mythal when she responded to the question of whether or not she was lovers with Justinia.

[midnight tea]

As for your last question - I get this sneaking suspicion that part of Solas' arc (And likely how we'll end up redeeming him) is getting him to remember his own values and ideals. Between Spirit!Cole's comment at the end of Trespasser (That whole "he needs me to help remember who he is" or whatever.), his own obvious distaste over what he thinks he has to do, and temptations like using the Well geas on Quizzie/Morrigan - seems to me like the point is that he's going against his own values, and to get him to stop we have to remind him of why he believed so much in those things, why they're important.

 

I think this is pretty much it. Not just because of Cole's comment or Solas himself, but because it's a theme that keeps poking its head nearly everywhere in Inquisition, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was pushed on the forefront in DA4.

 

DAI keeps asking a question of how much we'd sacrifice for either greater good or a great cause, or if circumstances sort of call for it. Is it worth sacrificing all? Including one's values, goals or things that make us ourselves?

 

It's like that with Leliana (the tile for her mission literally says that "she's reminded of her values" if we choose to soften her), it's like that with Cullen (do we let him try and shake the lyrium addiction, or do we make him chug lyrium again to keep the risk of him faltering as a Commander at minimum?), it's like that with Iron Bull (guaranteed help of the Qun for a time being or Chargers' life and Bull's soul?), in smaller doses it's like that with Grey Wardens (if we choose to ally with them, Crier Belinas' announcements make it seem as if propaganda machine whitewashes their connection with Corypheus and makes it seem as if they never had a crazy plan to begin with, so we basically sacrifice the truth to give them that last chance), among other things.

[In Exile]

If we're talking about Cole quotes to Solas, then "You weren't wrong" and "You saved them" (I'm paraphrasing from memory here) are likely more pertinent. I don't think his being dissuaded from his course of action is just about recognizing the gravity of his proposed world-altering change, but appreciating that he already did what he set out to do, which was save the ancient elves from the Evanuris. Part of what drives Solas, I think, is that he left the job half-done. 

[almasy87]

D:
Well..

In the first set of gifs, Solas sort of "loses" Mythal because of wanting to accomplish his goal. (we have no idea if she is still alive or not)

In the second.. he loses the Inquisitor for the same reason... (by making them their enemies or breaking the relationship forever).

So the similarity could be that he keeps losing people he cares about and is destined to be forever alone...

/sad     

[midnight tea]

I think it's going to turn out to be far more interesting if he's not actually the villain at all, if his plan, or at least the goal his plan is meant to achieve, actually is necessary in some way.

 

My two cents only.

 

Personally I have no doubt that there's more to his plan than "I'll restore the elves!" or whatever the general consensus on his plan is, but either way the reveal for it will likely be one of the biggest - if not the biggest - plot twist of future games. Prior to that he'd likely be portrayed as either the antagonist/villain of next game or one of them.

[midnight tea]

D:
Well..

In the first set of gifs, Solas sort of "loses" Mythal because of wanting to accomplish his goal. (we have no idea if she is still alive or not)

In the second.. he loses the Inquisitor for the same reason... (by making them their enemies or breaking the relationship forever).

So the similarity could be that he keeps losing people he cares about and is destined to be forever alone...

/sad     

 

Well, the thing is that Trespasser puts Solas in Mythal's position and Inquistor in Solas'. The roles are reversed... which brings an interesting question about Quizzy's future, or perhaps why they won't be (main) protagonists in the next game.

[In Exile]

Personally I have no doubt that there's more to his plan than "I'll restore the elves!" or whatever the general consensus his plan is, but either way the reveal for it will likely be one of the biggest - if not the biggest - plot twist of future games. Prior to that he'd likely be portrayed as either the antagonist/villain of next game or one of them.

He tells us that there's more to his plan, when we ask about the Evanuris. He's his usual coy self, but he points out he's got a plan for that one, too.

[dawnstone]

He tells us that there's more to his plan, when we ask about the Evanuris. He's his usual coy self, but he points out he's got a plan for that one, too.

He says he "had" plans for dealing with the Evanuris, as in the plans he intended to implement are either no longer possible, or have to be altered to account for changes in the situation - the main one probably being his orb being destroyed. So, at the moment it is implied he does not have any means to deal with them.

[Ellawynn]

He says he "had" plans for dealing with the Evanuris, as in the plans he intended to implement are either no longer possible, or have to be altered to account for changes in the situation - the main one probably being his orb being destroyed. So, at the moment it is implied he does not have any means to deal with them.

 

Or the Evanuris no longer have to be dealt with.

 

For instance, if they are related to the Old Gods, we've only got two (Three if you have the OGS) kicking around.

[In Exile]

Or the Evanuris no longer have to be dealt with.

 

For instance, if they are related to the Old Gods, we've only got two (Three if you have the OGS) kicking around.

 

Given the "myths are true, with a twist" theme that Bioware is going for, it's more likely the trapped beings are the Forgotten Ones. Based on what Cole says when he reads Solas, and before Solas wipes away his memory of it, Cole implies the Evanuris are trapped elsewhere.

[Ellawynn]

Given the "myths are true, with a twist" theme that Bioware is going for, it's more likely the trapped beings are the Forgotten Ones. Based on what Cole says when he reads Solas, and before Solas wipes away his memory of it, Cole implies the Evanuris are trapped elsewhere.

 

That's what I think, too. But given that there's no real reason for the Old Gods to want into the Fade if they're trapped underground, something else is going on - what that something else is, I'm not too sure. Either the Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones, and wanted into the Fade to kill the Evanuris (And for some reason neglected to tell this to their priests.) The Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones, but never had anything to do with Tevinter - the Magisters simply assumed the gods speaking to them in dreams (Who were probably the Evanuris trying to get out.) were those big dragons running around. Or the Forgotten Ones are something else entirely and the Old Gods are the physical manifestations of the Evanuris or... some such magical non-sense.

 

I don't necessarily believe the "The Evanuris - and not the Forgotten Ones - are actually the Old Gods" theory to be true, but it is a theory, and it would explain their desire to get into the Fade.

[Caddius]

While I'm undecided on the Old Gods connection to anything, I'm leaning towards the whispers that directed the Magisters to the Golden City not being from the giant dragons sleeping underground. The Pillars of the Earth theory, that by the nature of their existence, the Old Gods are holding something up or back, makes sense to me. So I could see the Black City Assault as a very long-term plan to bust open something in the Fade by destroying the Pillars. *shrug*