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[Ran_Fujimiya]

I get what you are saying with that. I tend to prefer games where I can play as a female, but it didn't take me long to realize that when I can play as my own gender that I then find it fun to go back and play as a male character, or a different race than the one I prefer for my main character. My canon for Origins was a female Dalish elf, but my favorite playthrough was a male Brosca who never learned to keep his fingers out of other people's pockets. Never in a million years would I have thought I would enjoy the game as a male dwarf, but it certainly opened my mind and broadened my worldview.

 

It really isn't that we are being forced to do anything, though. We have the option to make a particular character to see another part of the story we otherwise wouldn't, and that's true for any romance arc. It's also true of the main story, depending on the race we play and the choices we make.

If i want to romance Solas i am forced to play as a female, that's it. Kinda unfair :/ I mean.
We have romances so far:

for straight F!I: cullen, solas, bull
for straight M!I: cassandra, Jo
for lesbians: Sera, Jo
for gay: Dorian, Bull

I don't know... i mean...
I am a female bodied person, but i feel as a guy, so the last thing i want to do is playing as a female.
I am female enough in my real life, so i want to be the person i am really are: a guy.

Sounds unfair, but again i feel it would be better to be cis and straight - you get what i say?
Plus they changed Bull for the Fandom - why not Solas?
At least for equal numbers of romances?
So.. if the last romance would be Blackwall and he would be Bi, would mean straight F would have one more romance and gay too, but what about straight m and lesbians? If it's Vivi and she would be Bi, there would be one more for straight m and lesbians.
There will be a left out group everytime and it's not fair.

There was so much potential for him to be a bi romance and.. nothing. I am still hurt.
I cried the day it was announced, i cried the day after and i still almost cry when i see Solas.

I am so disappointed and sad.. i only want him for my male elf as a romance option :/

[RynJ]

 

*snip*

Actually, Weekes always envisioned Iron Bull as pansexual. They just didn't think they could get the animations right for every race so for a while he was race-gated. They didn't change him for the fandom, they just worked so he could actually be the sexuality he was supposed to be.

 

I understand your frustration, though. I'm sorry that you couldn't have Solas for your male Inquisitor! I also was convinced he would be a bisexual romance and am disappointed that he's not for all of the people who wanted to romance him with a male character.

[Ieldra]

One last word on the race/gender gating:

 

As I see it, if a character option exists that lets you romance someone, then it's your problem if you don't want to / can't play that character type, This is a roleplaying game after all, aren't we all called to be someone else than in real life in here? I'm saying that as someone who regrets that Dorian is gay because I can't play m/m romances, but yet again, that's my problem and not Bioware's fault. 

 

And no, "make everyone bi" is not a solution because that just destroys the fictional world's plausibity. People have preferences and so should the NPCs in our games. Else things look artificial, and from my point of view, that's a great deal worse than being locked out from a romance.

[Ran_Fujimiya]

One last word on the race/gender gating:

 

As I see it, if a character option exists that lets you romance someone, then it's your problem if you don't want to / can't play that character type, This is a roleplaying game after all, aren't we all called to be someone else than in real life in here? I'm saying that as someone who regrets that Dorian is gay because I can't play m/m romances, but yet again, that's my problem and not Bioware's fault. 

 

And no, "make everyone bi" is not a solution because that just destroys the fictional world's plausibity. People have preferences and so should the NPCs in our games. Else things look artificial, and from my point of view, that's a great deal worse than being locked out from a romance.

You can't say it easy like that.
You don't know how a person feels, you don't know why a person plays a RPG.
I for myself NEED to be a different person than i am in real life, i would never manage to play a female character. Not if i can choose a male one.
That's how i feel.
I think it was perfect how they managed everything in DA II concerning the romances.
Everyone could romance their prefered character and now.. there's so much frustration :/
I mean...
i think about deleting my pre-ordered Inquisition Box, it's gonna hurt so much seeing this elf while playing.

[lyrabelacqua]

Yeah, just a little friendly reminder that it's really not cool telling (especially trans) people that it's their problem if they don't feel comfortable playing as a certain gender. Race/class is one thing, but having to play as a gender that invalidates your identity is a whole different matter.

[RynJ]

Ooookie dokie let's not go down this path again. It made a lot of people uncomfortable before.

 

Other very, very important topics for discussion:

 

- What kind of vallaslin Solas would have if he had them.

- What kind of hair Solas would have if he had it.

- Solas's magical feet.

[CuriousArtemis]

I am still hurt.
I cried the day it was announced, i cried the day after and i still almost cry when i see Solas.

 

Hey there. I understand your feelings completely. I cried when Cullen was announced as straight.

 

Luckily most everyone in the Cullen thread was very kind; people even reached out to me on Twitter and via PM to ask if I was okay. That really helped, to know that my friends cared about me. A part of me was upset with myself for feeling so distraught over a game, but other people reaching out to me made me realize it was okay to feel the way I did, that I wasn't a bad person.

 

There will be people who don't understand your point of view, who will tell you to just "play someone else" to romance the LI of your choice. They don't understand, and that's okay. They are probably annoyed with people like us; we don't know how or where to express our hurt, so we do it in these character threads. And it seems strange to someone who doesn't play the games the way we do.

 

All I can tell you is that the pain does fade after awhile; I am still sad about not being able to romance Cullen, and I do tear up, but I don't cry anymore. I, too, feel ambivalent towards my inquisitor's LI prospects; Dorian is just not for me, and Bull I am just 'okay' with. At present I am hoping against hope for Blackwall. Who knows how I will react if I don't "get" him? More tears, I suspect.

 

My advice is to either walk away from the fandom completely for awhile and/or try to focus on some aspect of the game aside from romance. It is hard, I know. You invested a lot of excitement and anticipation and love into this romance. But it's time to start letting it go, for your own state of happiness. Focus on the character creator, what kind of awesome inquisitor will you be creating?? Focus on the story, or the combat, or anything. Or step away from DAI for awhile.

 

Just don't dwell on what's happened, because it isn't going to change, and you'll just keep feeling upset and wanting to defend yourself against others who tell you to "just play this" or "get over it" or whatever. 

 

So that's my advice; hope you are able to feel better sometime soon

[LBickert]

But does that refer to making sense to Solas as part of his story, or sense to the main story we'll be playing through? Don't get too wild with speculation if we aren't sure.

 

Good point. I can see it being a little bit of of both, the main story and his story. Whatever the reason I am sure it will be interesting.

[RebbyWriter]

So....How 'bout them longjohns, eh?

[Basement Cat]

So....How 'bout them longjohns, eh?

Never mind the longjohns. What about the jonhson? 

[Tamyn]

Nope. If you play as an Elf, you have to have Vallaslin. 

 

 

At least the tattoos I saw on Mike's elf were really tiny and only on one side of the face. Hopefully there will be several tattoos that are small and we'll have a slider to make them almost invisible.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Never mind the longjohns. What about the jonhson? 

This Johnson? 

 

[Phate Phoenix]

Ooookie dokie let's not go down this path again. It made a lot of people uncomfortable before.

 

Other very, very important topics for discussion:

 

- What kind of vallaslin Solas would have if he had them.

- What kind of hair Solas would have if he had it.

- Solas's magical feet.

 

Have any of you seen that Dual Survivor show? I bet Solas's feet are like one of those dude's--Cody, I think. The guy doesn't wear shoes. Ever. Like, even when they went to Alaska to tough it out for a week, he wore wool socks, and that was it. It's why, when people cringe about Solas's bare feet, I just shrug, because it's totally doable in real life.

[Drasanil]

One last word on the race/gender gating:

 

As I see it, if a character option exists that lets you romance someone, then it's your problem if you don't want to / can't play that character type, This is a roleplaying game after all, aren't we all called to be someone else than in real life in here? I'm saying that as someone who regrets that Dorian is gay because I can't play m/m romances, but yet again, that's my problem and not Bioware's fault. 

 

And no, "make everyone bi" is not a solution because that just destroys the fictional world's plausibity. People have preferences and so should the NPCs in our games. Else things look artificial, and from my point of view, that's a great deal worse than being locked out from a romance.

 

 

Not enough likes for this.

 

Yeah, just a little friendly reminder that it's really not cool telling (especially trans) people that it's their problem if they don't feel comfortable playing as a certain gender. Race/class is one thing, but having to play as a gender that invalidates your identity is a whole different matter.

 

Actually that's pretty much the definition of it being their problem. If you're only interested in playing self-inserts or can't disassociate a set of pixels on a screen from yourself, then it really is your own personal set of hiccups and foibles and it is perfectly fair to say 'its your problem'. Doubly so when absolutely no one is 'forcing' you to do anything in the first place.

[AresKeith]

Ooookie dokie let's not go down this path again. It made a lot of people uncomfortable before.

Other very, very important topics for discussion:

- What kind of vallaslin Solas would have if he had them.
- What kind of hair Solas would have if he had it.
- Solas's magical feet.

For Vallaslin, Solas would probably have one similar to that Elf in The Masked Empire

I kinda liked that monk hair he had in his early concept art

[RynJ]

Not the place for this debate. 

 

Really, we already got a warning a little while ago. Which was sad because that doesn't happen in this thread.

[CuriousArtemis]

- What kind of hair Solas would have if he had it.

 

Mohawk ponytail, of course (may it rest in peace)

[Phate Phoenix]

Playing a certain gender in a roleplaying game has absolutely zero impact on my RL gender identity. I get that some people feel differently, but actually, that IS their specific real world problem that IMO they should aim to resolve.

 

Again, using myself as an example, I feel uncomfortable with m/m romances. I can't account for how I feel but it's sort of a disadvantage, I'd rather not feel that way. Maybe I'll use DAI as a vehicle to get more comfortable with it, maybe not, but I certainly won't cry "Why oh why Bioware did you make Dorian gay". That's just pathetic.

 

Sorry if I'm being less than super-friendly here, but I'm really getting pissed with people golng on and on about this.

 

I'm glad it doesn't impact you, but it does impact other people. Please be respectful of that. There's no need for the hostility you're giving off here. People are sad, people are allowed to be sad, and people are allowed to express that sadness in this thread.

[CuriousArtemis]

it is perfectly fair to say

 

There is a difference between "not cool" and "not fair."

[RebbyWriter]

This Johnson? 

 

Johnson is a total BAMF.

 

Okay. If you guys are going to get into a general debate/discussion maybe go to the romance thread or another dedicated to equal representation and whatnot? K thanks.

 

 

I lol'd at magical feet. It makes us sound like we have a foot fetish, or something.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

At least the tattoos I saw on Mike's elf were really tiny and only on one side of the face. Hopefully there will be several tattoos that are small and we'll have a slider to make them almost invisible.

Yeah, their 'compromise'(it isn't one but I digress) is that you can make them vague. 

[Basement Cat]

Johnson is a total BAMF.

 

Okay. If you guys are going to get into a general debate/discussion maybe go to the romance thread or another dedicated to equal representation and whatnot? K thanks.

 

 

I lol'd at magical feet. It makes us sound like we have a foot fetish, or something.

And this is a problem?... I like feet. With dainty little toes and long arches and...

 

I'll be in my bunk.

[RebbyWriter]

And this is a problem?... I like feet. With dainty little toes and long arches and...

 

I'll be in my bunk.

Oh no, no problem at all. Not trying to shame it. Just thought it was amusing, is all.

 

Solas does have some cute feet, though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually that's pretty much the definition of it being their problem. If you're only interested in playing self-inserts or can't disassociate a set of pixels on a screen from yourself, then it really is your own personal set of hiccups and foibles and it is perfectly fair to say 'its your problem'. Doubly so when absolutely no one is 'forcing' you to do anything in the first place.

I dare you to say this to people asking for representation of women or LGBT.