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[pushtheheart]

Someone on Tumblr did a gif comparison of the two scenes...

 

Source: http://smalllady.tum...st/141349684903

 

 

My mind is blown... What does this meeaann? 

 

Mythal gave up her power/lifeforce to Solas, with which he intends to restore the People... and then he'll give up his power/lifeforce to accomplish it, and restore Lavellan? (And all the other elves?) Maybe? I've been reading too much meta tonight, and it's breaking my brain.

 

edit to add: Maybe that's what he means by "There is only death on this journey". Because he knows how it will end, because it must -- that he has to die, doing whatever it is he has to do to bring down the Veil and restore the People. And now I'm sad again. Ah, Solavellan hell. I'm in so deep.

 

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I saw this thread on DA Reddit :- https://www.reddit.c...ing_dragon_age/

 

I am curious how did your significant other react to romancing Solas if they played the game.

[Qun00]

Or the Evanuris no longer have to be dealt with.

For instance, if they are related to the Old Gods, we've only got two (Three if you have the OGS) kicking around.

Unlikely. When the Inquisitor asks Solas why he didn't kill the evanuris instead of just sealing them away, his answer is "The first of my people don't die so easily".

If your theory were correct, he would've said that most of them are dead.

[Addictress]

Unlikely. When the Inquisitor asks Solas why he didn't kill the evanuris instead of just sealing them away, his answer is "The first of my people don't die so easily".

If your theory were correct, he would've said that most of them are dead.

Good point. Many including me suspected the old gods are the evanuris, but I suppose it seems they are not, after all.

[Ellawynn]

Unlikely. When the Inquisitor asks Solas why he didn't kill the evanuris instead of just sealing them away, his answer is "The first of my people don't die so easily".

If your theory were correct, he would've said that most of them are dead.

 

Not necessarily. The Old Gods thing was just an example - "No longer have to be dealt with" could mean any number of things. Could mean pacified. Could mean crippled to the point of powerlessness. Could mean that this was the only way of killing them/otherwise taking them out of the game, and since that has now succeeded, the Veil is pointless.

 

Not that I really believe any of that, mind.

[Qun00]

Just consider what that would mean. Do the elven gods attract darkspawn with their song?

[midnight tea]

Just consider what that would mean. Do the elven gods attract darkspawn with their song?

 

We don't know, do we? There are  many reasons why they could attract darkspawn, just like there are likely many reasons why Old Golds whispered to their priests and eventually made them release the Blight from the Golden City. And Solas does suggests that they were the ones that released the Blight in the first place.

[Qun00]

He does? When?

[midnight tea]

He does? When?

 

When we're talking with him after cutscene with Erimond and prior to Adamant.

 

Inquisitor: I wouldn’t mind never having another Blight. Corypheus interfering is the real problem.

Solas: The Blight is the real problem.

Inquisitor: And the Wardens are trying to end the Blight forever.

Solas: That’s not the point. Even if they could succeed, the entire idea is wrong.

 

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Inquisitor: How many lives were lost during the last Blight?

Inquisitor: Corypheus notwithstanding, I don’t blame the Wardens for acting instead of reacting.

Solas: They acted stupidly.

Inquisitor: By trying to end the Blight forever?

Solas: Yes! Would it have worked? Do you know? Did they?

Solas: The fools who first unleashed the Blight upon this world thought they were unlocking ultimate power.

Solas: Forgive me. The entire idea is… unnerving.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 

When we're talking with him after cutscene with Erimond and prior to Adamant.

 

Inquisitor: I wouldn’t mind never having another Blight. Corypheus interfering is the real problem.

Solas: The Blight is the real problem.

Inquisitor: And the Wardens are trying to end the Blight forever.

Solas: That’s not the point. Even if they could succeed, the entire idea is wrong.

 

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Inquisitor: How many lives were lost during the last Blight?

Inquisitor: Corypheus notwithstanding, I don’t blame the Wardens for acting instead of reacting.

Solas: They acted stupidly.

Inquisitor: By trying to end the Blight forever?

Solas: Yes! Would it have worked? Do you know? Did they?

Solas: The fools who first unleashed the Blight upon this world thought they were unlocking ultimate power.

Solas: Forgive me. The entire idea is… unnerving.

 

That doesn't imply the Evanuris released the blight, necessarily. I think, especially in the second underline, he's talking about the magisters entering the GC on behalf of (who they/we assume are) the Old Gods.

[midnight tea]

That doesn't imply the Evanuris released the blight, necessarily. I think, especially in the second underline, he's talking about the magisters entering the GC on behalf of (who they/we assume are) the Old Gods.

 

But that's the thing - the magisters didn't know that they're unlocking the ultimate power. Their release of the Blight was not a point of their mission. And we know elvhen gods had discovered and even actively used it (Andruil).

 

Also - in Trespasser Cole says that Solas "broke the dreams to prevent old dreams from waking". I assume 'old dreams' may have something to do with the Blight. Same with his rune on the mural in Trespasser Deep Roads section - it suggests some sort of angry energy, likely connected with Titans that terrified him and made him lead the revolt against the elvhen gods.

 

Then we have Solas who says that he crated the Veil to stop Evanuris from doing something that would destroy the entire world. From available clues it's not that hard to assume that Evanuris and Blight are connected in some fashion and more than likely were those who thought that it's the ultimate power of some sort.

[Qun00]

I can't really support Solas there. Calling someone stupid without offering a better alternative is just empty words.

[midnight tea]

I can't really support Solas there. Calling someone stupid without offering a better alternative is just empty words.

 

Solas appears to be terrified and befuddled by the Blight, but how do you know he doesn't have any alternative? More than likely he never shared his idea for alternative without revealing that he's the Dread Wolf and creator of the Veil.

[Master Warder Z_]

but how do you know he doesn't have any alternative? 

 

Because nothing was mentioned obviously.

 

Anything beyond that fact is just speculation.

[midnight tea]

Because nothing was mentioned obviously.

 

Anything beyond that fact is just speculation.

 

You realize that this argument is a double-edged sword? Because whether he has or doesn't have an alternative wasn't specifically said, we can't say either way - that's what I am contesting.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

But that's the thing - the magisters didn't know that they're unlocking the ultimate power. Their release of the Blight was not a point of their mission. And we know elvhen gods had discovered and even actively used it (Andruil).

They broke into the Golden City seeking the ultimate in power: the Maker's throne and/or the power and altar of their gods, depending on who you ask.  Thus, the statement "The fools who first unleashed the Blight upon this world thought they were unlocking ultimate power." applies to the magisters. They cracked the city to unlock an ultimate power. They got the taint instead.

[Master Warder Z_]

 that's what I am contesting.

 

That's nice, I will await evidence, you can do your waifu headcanon.

[Qun00]

Sometimes, the fact that something isn't ideal doesn't make it bad.

The Dalish really are children mangling history, but that is better than elven culture becoming entirely forgotten.

The Grey Wardens don't know the best way to end the Blights, but hey, at least it keeps the world going.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

That's nice, I will await evidence, you can do your waifu headcanon.

Midnight's right. We don't know he doesn't have an alternative plan. It'd actually be rather stupid if he didn't have his own ideas for how to deal with the blights, considering he wants to unleash crazy amounts of magic back into the world. And its implied he knows more about the blight than the wardens do by his reactions everytime they or the blight are mentioned. Its very likely he has his own ideas on how to deal with them. He's just being infuriatingly close-lipped about what he knows. >.<

[midnight tea]

Sometimes, the fact that something isn't ideal doesn't make it bad.

The Dalish really are children mangling history, but that is better than elven culture becoming entirely forgotten.

The Grey Wardens don't know the best way to end the Blights, but hey, at least it keeps the world going.

 

... Yet they were a few steps away from presumably making everything worse. Solas obviously knows something about Old Gods and reacted to their plan with horror, so the likelihood of Grey Wardens almost unwittingly destroying their own legacy and world together with it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Midnight's right. 

 

Provide citations to that effect then.

 

Evidence of absence arguments don't work on me honey, I was in Iraq

 

There were no WMD's.

[Qun00]

Ohh yes, the plan was horrible. But Solas thinks the same way about how they handle the Blights in general. Should the Grey Wardens let the world end because they don't know what the best option is? Of course not.

[dawnstone]

They broke into the Golden City seeking the ultimate in power: the Maker's throne and/or the power and altar of their gods, depending on who you ask.  Thus, the statement "The fools who first unleashed the Blight upon this world thought they were unlocking ultimate power." applies to the magisters. They cracked the city to unlock an ultimate power. They got the taint instead.

I don't see why he can't be talking about the Magisters Sidereal and the Evanuris at the same time, when referring to fools who unleashed the Blight on the world. And if Solas did manage to seal the Blight into the Black City, behind the Veil, as some theories suggest, I can see him being extremely pissed that someone let it out again.

 

Oh well.

 

Edit: Top!Solas

 

My Inquisitor and her bae at the Storm Coast. Send umbrellas.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

What really struck me about that entire exchange after Erimond was when I picked the option that basically said "Killing the old gods is cool, its just the demon summoning that's bad." You'd think Solas would be very concerned with the spirits/demons being summoned and bound and sent at the taint, but he comes back with "The demons don't matter." (paraphrasing). He was more concerned with the OG dragons being killed than he was with the idea of fade denizens being bound to the real world and used. That was a huge red flag for me about both what the Wardens were doing, that there must be some unintended consequence we aren't seeing, and Solas knew WAY more than he was letting on. Also felt like he knew what should be done instead, but he just wouldn't say. Really rang alarm bells on my first PT.

 

I don't see why he can't be talking about the Magisters Sidereal and the Evanuris at the same time, when referring to fools who unleashed the Blight on the world.

This is true, he could be.

 

Provide citations to that effect then.

 

Evidence of absence arguments don't work on me honey, I was in Iraq

 

There were no WMD's.

Trucks to Syria.

 

And Solas always has plans. (Though he never claims that they're good plans. )

[Qun00]

Solas has interacted with both elven gods and the forgotten ones. He was around even before the other races flourished. The guy is right up there on OG Kieran's level.