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plus I did notice that, while Solas has less romance scenes compared to others, they're also much more thoughtfully constructed, with a lot of them relying on visual language (there are a lot of things said through either background, colors, scene composition or little details) compared to other romances.

 

Exactly. However, only because Solas doesn't have a kiss-whenever-scene or a sex-scene doesn't mean the romance is shorter. Both might be deliberate decisions to allow roleplayers a "more intellectual" relationship without dominating physical intimacy. And if we assume this and just look at the interactions/content of Solas vs. Cullen, the case is pretty clear:

 

* full Cullen content:

Spoiler
(44 mins)

 

* full Solas content:

Spoiler
(65 mins)

 

Solas gets to say more, is included in more scenes, has the more creative and inventive romance scenes, gets more significant kiss scenes (I cannot prove this but it seems like it) and is overall more important. Plus he ends the friggin' game with a bang. I really don't see why people keep complaining just because they don't get 1.5 seconds of a half-naked back bending over a shadow until fade-out or something.

 

(due to Greg Ellis being unable to understand what an NDA is forcing BW to make a statement about the LIs.)

 

Sometimes mistakes (are supposed to) happen. ;) I mean, sure, NDA and stuff. But this leak did benefit DAI by fueling the hype before release tbh. Then again I might tend to falsely assume clever PR rather than human stupidity, who knows.


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(I was aiming for Teagan so I could annoy him his whole life by yelling whooooo issss tees woahman teeeeagahn every time he brought a date home. Husband said no. Then I gave him the wiki and told him to pick a name for the other. He then told me no more dragon age for awhile. ;) )

 

I love you, Ave.

 

Sometimes mistakes (are supposed to) happen. ;) I mean, sure, NDA and stuff. But this leak did benefit DAI by fueling the hype before release tbh. Then again I might tend to falsely assume clever PR rather than human stupidity, who knows.

 

He did delete the tweet and then BW had to do damage control.  I think it was Ellis screwing up rather than a deliberate move.

 

But... *shrugs*  who knows

 

Also *waves* Long time no see.



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Well, for starters, the writers basically can't do anything at all with the various PCs. Weekes might be well aware how tragic the situation is for Lavellan - but he can't do anything with that without running the risk of invalidating someone's character. For instance, I've seen some Lavellans that bounce right back after the break-up - how could you possibly handle a true tragedy with them, when they aren't too broken up about it at all? Sure, maybe it's a bad mistake to make, but it's not like they have any choice. They tried to make a story where the troubles of the PC were actually addressed - that was DA2, and it was received horribly, so they're unlikely to try it again. *Shrug* What can you expect from them, really? Their hands are tied.

 

Actually, the writers DID try to express Lavellan's hurt over the Crestwood scene.  Cole has a party banter about it.  And people complained because THEIR Lavellan didn't feel that way, didn't feel hurt, didn't feel hurt for those reasons, would never have though what Cole said, etc.  That and the writers simply cannot cover every conceivable instance of how a Lavellan might feel so yeah how are they possibly going to give the player the ability to really express in game how their character feels/thinks.

 

I really don't think so. They could have done more with the NPCs.

Let Cassandra -- after all they never tire of exposing her as emotional, deeply romantic and caring -- ask Lavellan how she's holding up and if she needs somebody to talk.

Let Cullen look at her strangely and ask if she's slept alright... because of... Solas... you know... Maker! He didn't mean to... it... was inappropriate, he is sorry.

Let Blackwall mumble something about how he admires her strength despite adverse fate.

Let Bull comment drily that we cannot sacrifice everything and ignore our duty for feelings and that sometimes things happen as they must.

etc.

I mean, there would have been a roster of possibilities, all in character, and all non-invasive for the PC, who could have reacted in any desired way (angry: "This is none of your business, soldier!", sad: "It just hurts...", appreciative: "Thank you, it's good to have friends.", strong: "I will be fine.", detached: "I think I would have made the same choice later on to be honest. He just ended it before I did." etc.), followed by a standard line by the respective NPC: "Yes, Inquisitor!" or "Alright. But should you need to talk, I'll be here." or even: silence.

 

Pick any three (angry/sad/detached ; appreciative/angry/strong ; etc.), which is the standard BW procedure. This is basically the same we get for the scene where Solas does actually break up.

 

I personally don't care about this, I wouldn't need that song and dance. But I simply say it would have been possible to include and I really wouldn't say their hands were tied. Or that they couldn't do right by everyone anyway. There are a ton of good reasons not to address the PCs after-the-breakup state (monetary, if no others), but to excuse it for a lack of options seems rather weak to me.

 

Regarding IB, the fact that the romance starts as non-romantic is intentional. He clearly does become invested later.

When you two are caught in the act by Cassandra, Cullen and Josephine, the Inquisitor can choose to say it was just for fun and nothing more.

Then the Iron Bull ends the romance and blames himself: "I was trying to relieve your stress, not add to it. If you're ashamed of this, then I'm doing a crappy job."

 

But this wasn't her point. She said that he did not seem interested (even if you only consider the physical level) or cooperative.

Whether or not he had a romance in mind at first, the fact remains that he seems to be willing to let any serving girl on top but not the inquisitor. And one could argue (not my reasoned opinion, just pointing it out to be a possibility) that he only acts that way trying to subject her to him because of who she is ("So you're the kingpin here? We'll see about that."), which implies a lack of respect. But he's expressed his respect for her pretty much from the start, which would make him look like a liar/hypocrite (and not only in the comes-with-the-job way).

 

And: so he wants to relieve her stress but doesn't accept her to set own rules instead of playing by his. If he only meant to serve her, basically seeing it as his duty to assist his superior, he sure as hell should adjust to her and not the other way round.

 

He did delete the tweet and then BW had to do damage control.  I think it was Ellis screwing up rather than a deliberate move.

 

But... *shrugs*  who knows

 

Also *waves* Long time no see.

 

I don't know. But I do know that obvious PR doesn't work as convincingly as seemingly unintentional screw-ups. :lol: In short, I don't know.

 

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I really don't think so. They could have done more with the NPCs.

Let Cassandra -- after all they never tire of exposing her as emotional, deeply romantic and caring -- ask Lavellan how she's holding up and if she needs somebody to talk.

Let Cullen look at her strangely and ask if she's slept alright... because of... Solas... you know... Maker! He didn't mean to... it... was inappropriate, he is sorry.

Let Blackwall mumble something about how he admires her strength despite adverse fate.

Let Bull comment drily that we cannot sacrifice everything and ignore our duty for feelings and that sometimes things happen as they must.

etc.

I mean, there would have been a roster of possibilities, all in character, and all non-invasive for the PC, who could have reacted in any desired way (angry: "This is none of your business, soldier!", sad: "It just hurts...", appreciative: "Thank you, it's good to have friends.", strong: "I will be fine.", detached: "I think I would have made the same choice later on to be honest. He just ended it before I did." etc.), followed by a standard line by the respective NPC: "Yes, Inquisitor!" or "Alright. But should you need to talk, I'll be here." or even: silence.

 

Pick any three (angry/sad/detached ; appreciative/angry/strong ; etc.), which is the standard BW procedure. This is basically the same we get for the scene where Solas does actually break up.

 

I personally don't care about this, I wouldn't need that song and dance. But I simply say it would have been possible to include and I really wouldn't say their hands were tied. Or that they couldn't do right by everyone anyway. There are a ton of good reasons not to address the PCs after-the-breakup state (monetary, if no others), but to excuse it for a lack of options seems rather weak to me.

 

 

I don't know. But I do know that obvious PR doesn't work as convincingly as seemingly unintentional screw-ups. :lol: In short, I don't know.

 

I've been around days ago... You didn't notice :(

 

Trespasser handled Lavellan post-breakup slightly better.  Blackwall and Viv both ask her how she's doing, and Sera will say that's she's sorry for Lavellan's sake that Solas left.  And there's several options with Viv and Blackwall.

 

I've only been popping in and out and mostly skim reading.  Must've missed you.


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I really don't think so. They could have done more with the NPCs.

Let Cassandra -- after all they never tire of exposing her as emotional, deeply romantic and caring -- ask Lavellan how she's holding up and if she needs somebody to talk.

Let Cullen look at her strangely and ask if she's slept alright... because of... Solas... you know... Maker! He didn't mean to... it... was inappropriate, he is sorry.

Let Blackwall mumble something about how he admires her strength despite adverse fate.

Let Bull comment drily that we cannot sacrifice everything and ignore our duty for feelings and that sometimes things happen as they must.

etc.

I mean, there would have been a roster of possibilities, all in character, and all non-invasive for the PC, who could have reacted in any desired way (angry: "This is none of your business, soldier!", sad: "It just hurts...", appreciative: "Thank you, it's good to have friends.", strong: "I will be fine.", detached: "I think I would have made the same choice later on to be honest. He just ended it before I did." etc.), followed by a standard line by the respective NPC: "Yes, Inquisitor!" or "Alright. But should you need to talk, I'll be here." or even: silence.

 

Pick any three (angry/sad/detached ; appreciative/angry/strong ; etc.), which is the standard BW procedure. This is basically the same we get for the scene where Solas does actually break up.

 

I personally don't care about this, I wouldn't need that song and dance. But I simply say it would have been possible to include and I really wouldn't say their hands were tied. Or that they couldn't do right by everyone anyway. There are a ton of good reasons not to address the PCs after-the-breakup state (monetary, if no others), but to excuse it for a lack of options seems rather weak to me.

 

 

 

But they did do that? Like Illyria said, Trespasser has your companions comment. In the base game, Josephine and Sera also both comment (And Cassandra, but she talks to Solas.). They don't have every companion suddenly close ranks around the Inquisitor - and to be honest, if they had, I would've been annoyed as hell. The "PC gets broken up with, all companions care about her and suddenly hate her former partner" is a trope that fanfiction made me despise in Origins because of the Alistair/Warden break-up, and Solavellan fanfiction hasn't exactly ignited any great love of it from me. I'd certainly be pissed to see that happening in the game itself.

 

And I'd also be annoyed because my Inquisitor just wasn't that close to her companions. A comment like that from Cassandra or Cole, she'd appreciate. From Bull or Blackwall or Cullen, it'd be weirdly personal.

 

...I think the biggest issue here is that, despite what a lot of fanfiction seems to think, people DIDN'T know Solas and Lavellan broke up. Everyone who comments seems to express complete ignorance of what happened until Trespasser where, y'know, they pretty clearly aren't together anymore.


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I didn't know that Solas had sharingans.


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One artses

 

Beautiful W.I.P.  Can't wait to see it finished.

http://zoenazara.dev...t/wip-604088753


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One artses

 

Beautiful W.I.P.  Can't wait to see it finished.

http://zoenazara.dev...t/wip-604088753

 

:blink:

 

That artist just basically took Liz's artwork of Solas and Lavellan, then had Lavellan changed to turn her into her Trevelyan.

 

Here's the original: https://slayerofkill...etch-tarot-card

 

 

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I know the artist gave a link to Liz's artwork and mentioned that it's based on it but still... the artist just blatantly copied Liz's art style and changed the lady in the picture.  :wacko:

 

EDIT: You could see the artist's actual art style when you check out the rest of her artworks in her gallery.


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OH wow...I'm glad you noticed that!! 



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OH wow...I'm glad you noticed that!! 

 

At first when I clicked the link and saw the artwork, I thought it was Liz's because I saw that artwork on Tumblr. (I should have guessed it wasn't her DA page because of the username.) Then I noticed that the lady in the picture didn't have pointed ears. :P (EDIT: Also, the color of the lineart was different.)


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At first when I clicked the link and saw the artwork, I thought it was Liz's because I saw that artwork on Tumblr. (I should have guessed it wasn't her DA page because of the username.) Then I noticed that the lady in the picture didn't have pointed ears. :P

You're like...a detective.  Sherlock Sunny.  :lol:

 

  I've only been awake an hour.... does it show?  :-P 


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Trespasser handled Lavellan post-breakup slightly better.  Blackwall and Viv both ask her how she's doing, and Sera will say that's she's sorry for Lavellan's sake that Solas left.  And there's several options with Viv and Blackwall.

 

While I agree on that it was handled a bit better in Trespasser, I was actually pleasantly surprised that Blackwall, Vivienne and Sera cared enough to ask. (And Leliana telling us that she couldn't find him.) But I personally found it odd that Dorian, Cassandra and Varric didn't mention it. For me, they would've been the more logical choice as opposed to the others. I mean I could imagine Dorian and Varric being too busy with being ambassador and Viscount at that moment. Though knowing how Varric always looked out for everyone in DA2 and Dorian calling my Inquisitor one of his few friends, I kind of expected them to say something.

And I thought the part where Cassandra was made to believe by Varric that my Inquisitor was going to propose to someone was really odd. When she said that, I just stared at the option; "Maybe I will someday.", for god knows how long. And I finally did pick that option just to see what she would say. And maybe because I'm a derp with too much hope....  But I feel that scene could've been better used for Solasmancers. Like having Cassandra carefully approaching the subject of Solas in her awkward way of trying to be there for the Inquisitor but also not wanting to impose.


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While I agree on that it was handled a bit better in Trespasser, I was actually pleasantly surprised that Blackwall, Vivienne and Sera cared enough to ask. (And Leliana telling us that she couldn't find him.) But I personally found it odd that Dorian, Cassandra and Varric didn't mention it. For me, they would've been the more logical choice as opposed to the others. I mean I could imagine Dorian and Varric being too busy with being ambassador and Viscount at that moment. Though knowing how Varric always looked out for everyone in DA2 and Dorian calling my Inquisitor one of his few friends, I kind of expected them to say something.

And I thought the part where Cassandra was made to believe by Varric that my Inquisitor was going to propose to someone was really odd. When she said that, I just stared at the option; "Maybe I will someday.", for god knows how long. And I finally did pick that option just to see what she would say. And maybe because I'm a derp with too much hope....  But I feel that scene could've been better used for Solasmancers. Like having Cassandra carefully approaching the subject of Solas in her awkward way of trying to be there for the Inquisitor but also not wanting to impose.

I kind of headcanoned for my Lavellan, that Varric gave Cassandra the mistaken impression that Lavellan had met someone new and was moving on. Cass being Cass wanted Lavellan to spill all the juicy details, because she was out of the loop due to her work either with the Seekers or as Divine.


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Exactly. However, only because Solas doesn't have a kiss-whenever-scene or a sex-scene doesn't mean the romance is shorter. Both might be deliberate decisions to allow roleplayers a "more intellectual" relationship without dominating physical intimacy. And if we assume this and just look at the interactions/content of Solas vs. Cullen, the case is pretty clear:

* full Cullen content:

Spoiler
(44 mins)

* full Solas content:
Spoiler
(65 mins)

Solas gets to say more, is included in more scenes, has the more creative and inventive romance scenes, gets more significant kiss scenes (I cannot prove this but it seems like it) and is overall more important. Plus he ends the friggin' game with a bang. I really don't see why people keep complaining just because they don't get 1.5 seconds of a half-naked back bending over a shadow until fade-out or something.


Sometimes mistakes (are supposed to) happen. ;) I mean, sure, NDA and stuff. But this leak did benefit DAI by fueling the hype before release tbh. Then again I might tend to falsely assume clever PR rather than human stupidity, who knows.


To be fair, those videos usually include ALL of the character's dialogue rather than just the romantic moments.

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Exactly. However, only because Solas doesn't have a kiss-whenever-scene or a sex-scene doesn't mean the romance is shorter. Both might be deliberate decisions to allow roleplayers a "more intellectual" relationship without dominating physical intimacy. And if we assume this and just look at the interactions/content of Solas vs. Cullen, the case is pretty clear:

 

* full Cullen content:

Spoiler
(44 mins)

 

* full Solas content:

Spoiler
(65 mins)

 

Solas gets to say more, is included in more scenes, has the more creative and inventive romance scenes, gets more significant kiss scenes (I cannot prove this but it seems like it) and is overall more important. Plus he ends the friggin' game with a bang. I really don't see why people keep complaining just because they don't get 1.5 seconds of a half-naked back bending over a shadow until fade-out or something.

 

 

Sometimes mistakes (are supposed to) happen. ;) I mean, sure, NDA and stuff. But this leak did benefit DAI by fueling the hype before release tbh. Then again I might tend to falsely assume clever PR rather than human stupidity, who knows.

 

Personally, Solas may get more content, but I think that comes with the territory of being a companion rather than an adviser. You can take him to more places, hear party banter,  hear his comments on various places you're visiting, hear his opinions on main story areas you're visiting (like the Temple of Mythal and the Well of Sorrows), etc.

 

As far as romance-specific content, especially romantic cutscenes, there's technically less. If only just because he was added last-minute on a shoestring budget, so all but the last the romantic cutscenes were piggy-backing off the scenes everyone gets. The first time you talk to him in Haven and he says, "Blessed hero sent to save us all," the first time you talk to him in Skyhold and he takes you to Haven in the Fade (Fade-tongue!), the balcony scene where he asks if your mark has changed you (real kiss!), and then the scene right after the Temple of Mythal where he's either happy things worked out or angry that you drank from the Well.

 

The scene after "Come with me, vhenan!" is technically the only purely unique romance scene Solasmancers get, while most companions get at least one or two, usually more. Contrast Cullen, an adviser, and I think you technically get three unique romance scenes/places. The first kiss on the battlements, then the scene where he takes you to the lake where he grew up and tries to give you his lucky coin, and then that marvelous scene where he spreads you out like a map on his desk ( :lol: ) followed by the headbutt-of-love scene ( :wub: ). And then, of course, you get the romantic flavor to scenes all companions and advisers get, like "heart" responses to the Orlesian ball and his personal quest or the scene where he prays in the chapel.

 

I don't personally mind, though. Even though Solas' romance is more... economical, I think it's very well-done. I think Patrick Weekes and the VO and animators and all parties involved were able to make a little go a long way.  ^_^

 

I really don't think so. They could have done more with the NPCs.

Let Cassandra -- after all they never tire of exposing her as emotional, deeply romantic and caring -- ask Lavellan how she's holding up and if she needs somebody to talk.

Let Cullen look at her strangely and ask if she's slept alright... because of... Solas... you know... Maker! He didn't mean to... it... was inappropriate, he is sorry.

Let Blackwall mumble something about how he admires her strength despite adverse fate.

Let Bull comment drily that we cannot sacrifice everything and ignore our duty for feelings and that sometimes things happen as they must.

etc.

I mean, there would have been a roster of possibilities, all in character, and all non-invasive for the PC, who could have reacted in any desired way (angry: "This is none of your business, soldier!", sad: "It just hurts...", appreciative: "Thank you, it's good to have friends.", strong: "I will be fine.", detached: "I think I would have made the same choice later on to be honest. He just ended it before I did." etc.), followed by a standard line by the respective NPC: "Yes, Inquisitor!" or "Alright. But should you need to talk, I'll be here." or even: silence.

 

Pick any three (angry/sad/detached ; appreciative/angry/strong ; etc.), which is the standard BW procedure. This is basically the same we get for the scene where Solas does actually break up.

 

I personally don't care about this, I wouldn't need that song and dance. But I simply say it would have been possible to include and I really wouldn't say their hands were tied. Or that they couldn't do right by everyone anyway. There are a ton of good reasons not to address the PCs after-the-breakup state (monetary, if no others), but to excuse it for a lack of options seems rather weak to me.

 

I agree. Again, I think the lack of companion and protagonist reactions mainly stems from Solas being the most last-minute and resource-starved, not because they can't show any roleplay responses because it might hurt some demanding players' roleplaying sensibilities. (If they expect the responses to always reflect what their individual character is thinking, they need to play tabletop games with friends. Video games can never do take into account every players' possible responses, and people need to accept this.)

 

I remember seeing an interview by David Gaider about DAI shortly before he left BioWare, where he talked about making the game, some cut Exalted March stuff, some cut ideas for DAI, etc. He mentioned how a lot of fans seem to think the "story" is stronger or somehow easier to write when they have fairly "pre-written" protagonist like Hawke or Shepard, but he mentioned that in a way it's actually a little more freeing to have a "blank slate" protagonist. That is, they're free to write all these weird and fantastical scenarios, then just give the player the option to react to it in a number of ways. They don't have to feel constrained or take into account, "This is how Hawke would react," they can just throw tons of scenarios at the protagonist and then give the player a number of ways to respond.

 

And that's the kind of roleplaying I personally like better. I don't like the devs telling me, "This is how Hawke thinks/feels," I like the game throwing situations at my character and being given the chance to respond in a number of ways (if just verbally).

 

And this could have worked for Lavellan regarding the Solas romance. He dumps her out on the blue, the other companions can notice, react, comment on it, ask questions about it, etc. and your character just gets the option to say how they feel on it. Most typical encounters usually just let you choose between "nice, stoic/funny, or prickly" but for bigger moments you usually get, like, six responses--the "thumbs up" icon, the "angry shouting," "teary eyes," "confused," "alarmed," "armor with arms crossed," etc. So, characters react to your relationship, you choose which of the several responses you feel best suits your character. (It's not perfect roleplaying, but if that's what you expected to find in this game, you were probably disappointed long before this point.)

 

Personally, I think an imperfect selection of responses expressing how my character feels about it is a lot better than NO reactions from characters or chances to respond for the PC at all. (Like accidentally killing your clan and not so much as a "Hey, are you all right?" from any companions or advisers.)

 

But again, I think it comes down to time and budget constraints in the main game rather than roleplay hogtying. The fact that they added slightly more responses in Trespasser probably shows how they would have done more in the main game if they'd had more time.

 

But this wasn't her point. She said that he did not seem interested (even if you only consider the physical level) or cooperative.

Whether or not he had a romance in mind at first, the fact remains that he seems to be willing to let any serving girl on top but not the inquisitor. And one could argue (not my reasoned opinion, just pointing it out to be a possibility) that he only acts that way trying to subject her to him because of who she is ("So you're the kingpin here? We'll see about that."), which implies a lack of respect. But he's expressed his respect for her pretty much from the start, which would make him look like a liar/hypocrite (and not only in the comes-with-the-job way).

 

And: so he wants to relieve her stress but doesn't accept her to set own rules instead of playing by his. If he only meant to serve her, basically seeing it as his duty to assist his superior, he sure as hell should adjust to her and not the other way round.

 

Thank you, that's all I was trying to say.


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I kind of headcanoned for my Lavellan, that Varric gave Cassandra the mistaken impression that Lavellan had met someone new and was moving on. Cass being Cass wanted Lavellan to spill all the juicy details, because she was out of the loop due to her work either with the Seekers or as Divine.

 

The first time I played through, with Lavellan, I was seriously confused when Cassandra started the whole marriage thing. It honestly felt like Cass had come to believe my Lavellan fancied her and was awkwardly trying to say she'd be willing to go for it. Which hey, would have been awesome, but whoa, man. Felt like it was out of nowhere. So I think I'll use your idea to explain away that initial surprise. :P


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The first time I played through, with Lavellan, I was seriously confused when Cassandra started the whole marriage thing. It honestly felt like Cass had come to believe my Lavellan fancied her and was awkwardly trying to say she'd be willing to go for it. Which hey, would have been awesome, but whoa, man. Felt like it was out of nowhere. So I think I'll use your idea to explain away that initial surprise. :P

Right? I was so confused when that happened - I gotta admit, that IS a moment when Solas should've been brought up, even if it was just Cassandra saying "I'm happy to see you're moving on" or something. It's so weird to have this big romantic talk and not even bring up the serious lover who disappeared two years ago.

 

Realistically Lavellan might've just moved in the meantime and Cassandra didn't feel like it was worth mentioning - but this is a video game, and we didn't get to see those two years. So the change is... abrupt, to say the least.



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I really don't think so. They could have done more with the NPCs.
Let Cassandra -- after all they never tire of exposing her as emotional, deeply romantic and caring -- ask Lavellan how she's holding up and if she needs somebody to talk.
Let Cullen look at her strangely and ask if she's slept alright... because of... Solas... you know... Maker! He didn't mean to... it... was inappropriate, he is sorry.
Let Blackwall mumble something about how he admires her strength despite adverse fate.
Let Bull comment drily that we cannot sacrifice everything and ignore our duty for feelings and that sometimes things happen as they must.
etc.
I mean, there would have been a roster of possibilities, all in character, and all non-invasive for the PC, who could have reacted in any desired way (angry: "This is none of your business, soldier!", sad: "It just hurts...", appreciative: "Thank you, it's good to have friends.", strong: "I will be fine.", detached: "I think I would have made the same choice later on to be honest. He just ended it before I did." etc.), followed by a standard line by the respective NPC: "Yes, Inquisitor!" or "Alright. But should you need to talk, I'll be here." or even: silence.

Pick any three (angry/sad/detached ; appreciative/angry/strong ; etc.), which is the standard BW procedure. This is basically the same we get for the scene where Solas does actually break up.

I personally don't care about this, I wouldn't need that song and dance. But I simply say it would have been possible to include and I really wouldn't say their hands were tied. Or that they couldn't do right by everyone anyway. There are a ton of good reasons not to address the PCs after-the-breakup state (monetary, if no others), but to excuse it for a lack of options seems rather weak to me.


But this wasn't her point. She said that he did not seem interested (even if you only consider the physical level) or cooperative.
Whether or not he had a romance in mind at first, the fact remains that he seems to be willing to let any serving girl on top but not the inquisitor. And one could argue (not my reasoned opinion, just pointing it out to be a possibility) that he only acts that way trying to subject her to him because of who she is ("So you're the kingpin here? We'll see about that."), which implies a lack of respect. But he's expressed his respect for her pretty much from the start, which would make him look like a liar/hypocrite (and not only in the comes-with-the-job way).

And: so he wants to relieve her stress but doesn't accept her to set own rules instead of playing by his. If he only meant to serve her, basically seeing it as his duty to assist his superior, he sure as hell should adjust to her and not the other way round.


I don't know. But I do know that obvious PR doesn't work as convincingly as seemingly unintentional screw-ups. :lol: In short, I don't know.

I've been around days ago... You didn't notice :(


I didn't question the lack of options to change the sexual dynamic. I was just trying to give the Iron Bull credit where it's due.

Is that so hard?

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Art post.

 

Solavellan 'bad ending' AU.

 

Adorable blushing Solas and Lavellan.  :wub:

 

Lavellan and the Dread Wolf.

 

Some creepy glowing-eyed Solas.  :o

 

“He did not want a body, but she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face.“ 

Solas removing his vallaslin.

 

Solas drinking tea. :lol:

 

All 3 heroes of the DA series are in love with Alistair. :lol:


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Ihttp://gizmodo.com/w...ieks-1771427505

 

Just saw this, and I think anyone who has played a Lavellan riding a hart just went..."Yep!"


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The first time I played through, with Lavellan, I was seriously confused when Cassandra started the whole marriage thing. It honestly felt like Cass had come to believe my Lavellan fancied her and was awkwardly trying to say she'd be willing to go for it. Which hey, would have been awesome, but whoa, man. Felt like it was out of nowhere. So I think I'll use your idea to explain away that initial surprise. :P

 

It was sort of out of the blue, and I also expected her to mention Solas. I found it really odd that the first to mention him to me was Vivienne. Though she does use knowledge to her advantage when she can, it seemed an actual inquiry. Vivienne was the only one whose friendship level was so-so for me. I got the bug in Keep initially where it wouldn't let me save the world state without being her friend but also didn't let me change it. So I had to put that she was, which was okay.

 

Cassandra and Nirwen, though, were very good friends, so to not mention Solas with this rumor, even to throw some of her previously-demonstrated skepticism on the rumor, was a bit uncharacteritic.

 

Though if Cass had suddenly realized she was also into ladies, it would've been nice. Cass not being into ladies was a major cause of the trip into the depths of Solavellan hell. :lol:



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It was sort of out of the blue, and I also expected her to mention Solas. I found it really odd that the first to mention him to me was Vivienne. Though she does use knowledge to her advantage when she can, it seemed an actual inquiry. Vivienne was the only one whose friendship level was so-so for me. I got the bug in Keep initially where it wouldn't let me save the world state without being her friend but also didn't let me change it. So I had to put that she was, which was okay.

 

Cassandra and Nirwen, though, were very good friends, so to not mention Solas with this rumor, even to throw some of her previously-demonstrated skepticism on the rumor, was a bit uncharacteritic.

 

Though if Cass had suddenly realized she was also into ladies, it would've been nice. Cass not being into ladies was a major cause of the trip into the depths of Solavellan hell. :lol:

 

Actually, I've interpreted Cass um... discomfort?... or awkwardness?... as "oh, wait you're over You-Know-Who? And you're getting MARRIED? I want to ask about it but I'm not sure how or if I should do it at all!"

 

Which, you know, after Solas shot her down when she asked about vallaslin she'd probably be careful to bring the topic around so she just tiptoed around it, both worried about her friend yet curious about the whole possible marriage thing. At least that was my take.


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Hahahahahaha! YAAASSSS! *wipes away tear*

 

Now I want this. But I just know people here are going to be dumb and butcher the pronunciation. They can't handle names that are too English.

 

Baboontje, can I ask what mod you're using for the elf in your icon? It looks really nice.


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But they did do that?

 

I did not say the authors hadn't done so at all. Somebody said "they had no options, their hands were tied" and I answered to that comment stating that this is not true and (regardless of what happened in the game or not) is generally not a legit argument in my eyes.

 

To be fair, those videos usually include ALL of the character's dialogue rather than just the romantic moments.

 

I said so, that it's the complete contents.

Solas gets a lot more screen time than anyone, valuable screen time too. I am not surprised that they did not give him even more. So I think Solasmancers have no reason to complain since they can interact with their LI much more than other players anyway. Most relationships are mostly about other things than sex and kisses, so the lack of a kiss-anytime-scene is not so problematic in my eyes. (I could even imagine the authors feared one might feel used if picking the kiss-scene and being dumped an hour later for no apparent reason.) And the authors said they wanted it up to the player to headcanon sex/abstinence, so maybe the omission of a sex scene was deliberate. And these two factors aside, which make up two of the three mentioned Cullen scenes, we are even. :)

 

I didn't question the lack of options to change the sexual dynamic. I was just trying to give the Iron Bull credit where it's due.

Is that so hard?

 

No. But it simply was not her point. She had a precise problem with the Bull romance and it's sort of unfair to dismiss her argument. Your point was valid regarding the Bull NPC, it just had nothing to do with her particular point of criticism. :)



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Art post.

 

'May the Dread Wolf take you!'. Concept!Solas and a fearsome Dread Wolf.

 

'Lavellan is sarcastic, unapologetically Dalish, doesn’t understand much about magic,

knows only a cursory amount of elven history and sets herself on fire to confuse her enemies.

And yet Solas inexplicably fell in love with her anyway.' :lol:

 

Modern AU comic in which Lavellan treks out to the big city to become a famous musician

under the band name ‘The Inquisition’, and gets some help from a music savvy bar owner (Solas).

It's a pretty long comic! xD

Continuation:

Spoiler

Epilogue:

Spoiler

 

Alone in the cold, dark depths of his mind.

 

Lovely Solas digital painting.

 

Some concept!Solas.

 

Solas x Vivienne. Yeah... 


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