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It wouldn't surprise me if Solas has non-elves working for him, likely without even knowing they're working for him. I wouldn't put it past him to have a Red Jenny-eqsue organization at his command that involves non-elves. If someone had figured out how to manipulate Red Jenny, the potential for abuse in that kind of anonymous setup Sera had was ridiculously high b/c the individuals involved are so in the dark about the consequences of their actions. Due to that, they're basically a loaded gun, waiting for someone clever enough to figure out how to direct them to tell them where to "point and shoot". He could easily set it up so no one even knows who it is that's giving the orders.

 

Sort of like how in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they dropped the reveal in Winter Soldier that SHIELD had so many secrets, conflicting agendas, groups working without knowledge of what other groups were doing, or even people unaware of what the rest of their group was doing... yeah, it was totally plausible that they could have been infiltrated by HYDRA agents almost from the start and no-one caught on whatsoever for nearly 60 years.

 

Or sort of like the Maquis in Star Trek. Because they had no singular leadership and instead were organised into cells, they ended up getting infiltrated at points by members of various government agencies hoping to bring down their rebellion. After learning not only Tuvok was a spy for the Federation in the pilot, but Seska was also a Cardassian agent later in the first season of Voyager, Chakotay ends up launching into an amusing rant;

 

"You were working for her, she was working for them... was anyone on that ship working for me?"


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Can you just imagine it, you can't see his face, but that voice, and you just know. And maybe your character doesn't know it's him, but it hits you as the player like a ton of bricks.

I would both love and hate this. I'd be excited to see this intrigue happening, but at the same time I'd have to fight so hard not to metagame cus I'd be behind my monitor going "I don't trust ANYTHING you say!" while my character wouldn't realistically have a reason to be hostile or suspicious. 

 

They could really throw us off by having GDL voice some random masked elf that isn't Solas.


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I would both love and hate this. I'd be excited to see this intrigue happening, but at the same time I'd have to fight so hard not to metagame cus I'd be behind my monitor going "I don't trust ANYTHING you say!" while my character wouldn't realistically have a reason to be hostile or suspicious. 

 

They could really throw us off by having GDL voice some random masked elf that isn't Solas.

He did do incidental voices in Inquisition. He voiced that elf you meet in front of Elgar'nan's Bastion (if he's still alive), I'm pretty sure.



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Can you just imagine it, you can't see his face, but that voice, and you just know. And maybe your character doesn't know it's him, but it hits you as the player like a ton of bricks.

 

Not gonna lie, knowing me, I might cry if this actually happened. :P


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Sort of like how in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they dropped the reveal in Winter Soldier that SHIELD had so many secrets, conflicting agendas, groups working without knowledge of what other groups were doing, or even people unaware of what the rest of their group was doing... yeah, it was totally plausible that they could have been infiltrated by HYDRA agents almost from the start and no-one caught on whatsoever for nearly 60 years.

 

Or sort of like the Maquis in Star Trek. Because they had no singular leadership and instead were organised into cells, they ended up getting infiltrated at points by members of various government agencies hoping to bring down their rebellion. After learning not only Tuvok was a spy for the Federation in the pilot, but Seska was also a Cardassian agent later in the first season of Voyager, Chakotay ends up launching into an amusing rant;

 

"You were working for her, she was working for them... was anyone on that ship working for me?"

I basically felt like Chakotay when I heard Solas' line, "The Qunari's spies in the Inquisition stumbled across my spies in the Inquisition."  Like... did I have spies in the Inquisition? It seems I was apparently the only one who didn't. :/

 

And yeah, like SHIELD's structure made it vulnerable, Solas could set up a structure of agents from all races that have no idea who they work for or what their missions are ultimately accomplishing due to the compartmentalization of information. Red Jenny had this same problem to me, which is why I bring it up. 


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He did do incidental voices in Inquisition. He voiced that elf you meet in front of Elgar'nan's Bastion (if he's still alive), I'm pretty sure.

 

I'm still trying to work out precisely what random NPCs Gemma Whelan and Sophie Aldred played, it's been bugging me since the game came out because I read they did some random voiceover work for it.



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Is his identity compromised? Presumably the Inquisitor and their agents all know who they're after, and maybe they've successfully convinced a few others, but I can't imagine that the majority of Thedas knows. I mean most of Thedas is Andrastian and wouldn't know the first thing about Dalish gods much less believe they exist, and that one of them's traipsing about stealing hands and trying to destroy the world.

Like that one ending slide that refers to the "mysterious" migration of elves - it's not really mysterious at all because we all know who's likely behind it, but Thedas at large knows nothing about Solas or his plans, so the sudden change seems apropos of nothing to them. Even Teagen's comment there - referring to him as Solas and not Fen'Harel - would seem to indicate that even people the Inquisitor has direct contact with haven't got a damn clue who he is.

Not to mention that, as has been pointed out both in game and by fans, Solas seems rather plain at first glance, to the point where I know one person who mistook him from an irrelevant NPC when they first saw his design. (And how many people have you heard say he looks like Shartan or Zathrian just because he's a bald elf? Hell, we just had a discussion where he was mistaken for some random bit character.) He's quiet and humble and not tremendously showy - I don't think he'd have much problem flying beneath the radar. It's what he did in Inquisition, if Bull's banter is anything to go by. Despite being in the Inner Circle, he seems to have been mostly ignored. Even seems to have been trying to downplay his own presence and involvement - just look at one of the first interactions you have with him, where he quickly passes off any credit for closing the rift to you. Which is ridiculous, because the Inquisitor would've died in their sleep without him, and wouldn't have known what to do with the Mark if they hadn't - but he probably knows he should be as anonymous as possible, so he forgoes recognition and praise as much as he can.

...But yeah, the Qun's probably got his number. Not that the Qun's about to buddy up with the rest of Thedas.


God, that's such a hopeless cliche and I'm so completely on board with it. Although, going back to the anonymity thing (And going off of his comments at the Winter Ball) he'd probably try to pose as a servant if he ever needed to go to such an event.


In the main game he was humble and discrete, but in Trespasser, look at that armor! In Trespasser he's strutting around in some kind of anvient elvehn armor no one has ever seen before, that shines like the sun. He became an ostentatious man.

Although...I guess he's mostly hiding in between the eluvians. He was besieged by Qunari only because they had found access to the Eluvians. He won't be walking around Val Royeaux, he'll be untouchable as he will be in the cross roads and various lost places disconnected by Eluvians the majority of the time. That works.

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In the main game he was humble and discrete, but in Trespasser, look at that armor! In Trespasser he's strutting around in some kind of anvient elvehn armor no one has ever seen before, that shines like the sun. He became an ostentatious man.

 

"Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison. Remember the price of treason, and keep in your heart the mercy of your gods."

 

We. Were. Warned.

 

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"Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison. Remember the price of treason, and keep in your heart the mercy of your gods."

 

We. Were. Warned.

 

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What's that quote from? Its very familiar to me.



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Art post.

 

Solas and Lavellan in finery.

 

Lavellan as Peter Pan and Solas as Tinkerbell. :lol:  Based on this confession

 

"No means no, fratboy".

Scene from the college AU (Solavellan). (NSFW-ish)

 

Sketches of some DA:I characters.

 

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Also, hello to my old friend BioWareMod06! That warning I got earlier was very much appreciated.  <_<


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What's that quote from? Its very familiar to me.

Trespasser - Treachery of the Wolf. It's part of the Evanuris' anti-Dread Wolf propaganda.


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What's that quote from? Its very familiar to me.

 

It's "The Treachery of the Wolf" codex entry from Trespasser, found in the Vir Dirthara.

 

Edit: Ah, missed that I'd been ninja'd to it already, ta dawnstone! :lol:


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When did gender ever enter the picture? It is a baseless assumption.

 

Is it a baseless assumption that gender colors our perception of emotions? If emotions were free from any gender-connotations whatsoever women and men would reasonably display an equal ratio of emotions in, for example, media; yet it is by far more rare to see a man cry in a movie than it is a woman. We tell men to "man up" when they are displaying "weak" emotions like pain and sadness, but do we ever tell women in similar circumstances to "woman up"? There has been quite a lot of study on this, particularly in the field of psychology (although the findings are varied, as they often are in behavioral sciences). Whether or not you choose to believe emotions are gendered is a personal opinion; perhaps I should have been clearer that it is my personal opinion.

 

Either way, the point I was trying to make foremost is that I do not consider crying or being sad as a sign that a person is weak, and for the Inquisitor to display such emotions in the scene with Solas is very believable and real. I would even go as far as saying that being able to show your true emotions in some situations requires a lot of strength. In the end it comes down to what kind of a person your Inquisitor is and how they perceived their relationship with Solas.


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He also had a war table mission in DAI. They're definitely keeping the guy around in the lore for some reason.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Solas has non-elves working for him, likely without even knowing they're working for him. I wouldn't put it past him to have a Red Jenny-eqsue organization at his command that involves non-elves. If someone had figured out how to manipulate Red Jenny, the potential for abuse in that kind of anonymous setup Sera had was ridiculously high b/c the individuals involved are so in the dark about the consequences of their actions. Due to that, they're basically a loaded gun, waiting for someone clever enough to figure out how to direct them to tell them where to "point and shoot". He could easily set it up so no one even knows who it is that's giving the orders.

 

 

Frankly I'm surprised the Red Jennies aren't already used by Thedas' nobility to take out political rivals. It seems like an incredibly easy thing to do, just bribe a few servants into saying Lord Something-or-Another beats his staff, and boom, Jennies do him in. 

 

...Or maybe they already are widely used to do that. Sera doesn't seem like the sort to investigate thoroughly. 

 

In the main game he was humble and discrete, but in Trespasser, look at that armor! In Trespasser he's strutting around in some kind of anvient elvehn armor no one has ever seen before, that shines like the sun. He became an ostentatious man.

Although...I guess he's mostly hiding in between the eluvians. He was besieged by Qunari only because they had found access to the Eluvians. He won't be walking around Val Royeaux, he'll be untouchable as he will be in the cross roads and various lost places disconnected by Eluvians the majority of the time. That works.

 

Solas was ostentatious in Trespasser because he needed to be. He's a smart dude. He knows when a situation calls for theatrics - such as when you're going to route one adversary (The Qunari) and reveal yourself to another (The Inquisitor.) His attitude in Trespasser likely wasn't his natural personality so much as an attempt at intimidation. You can see that attitude in Haven, when you ask him his opinion on the all the Herald business and he says "posturing is necessary." He recognizes that sometimes you've got to show off a little. It can help win allies and demoralize enemies.

 

(And on a meta level, this is probably the reason why the writers had him show off - it wasn't just Solas trying to intimidate the Qunari and the Inquisitor, but the writers trying to intimidate the player as well. If they had Solas show up in his raggedy pants and jumper, doing nothing of note like petrifying entire armies, I don't think his appearence would've had quite the same impact. It'd be easier to dismiss him. Trespasser as it is, elven armor and Qunari statuary included, proved him to be a serious and overwhelming threat.)

 

But Solas knows when to keep a low profile as well. He kept one in the Inquisition, because he needed to - all he wanted was the Orb, and if he went around showing off all he knew and was capable of, he'd probably be targeted by Templars or the Venatori (Not to mention it'd make any future deceptions harder since everyone would know who he is.) Right now, I imagine he's being a bit more selective - he'll show off to certain enemies like the Inquisition and the Qunari, and maybe to potential allies like the elves. But he probably recognizes that it's better to work in secret. Strutting around Thedas in gilded armor shouting about his plans for the apocalypse probably isn't his go-to tactic right now.

 

His ultimate goal is overthrow the current order of things. So he's not going to try and ally himself with the powerful and the secure, because they're benefiting from the current order. With them, he'll be humble, he'll be secretive, he'll try to keep beneath their notice, because they're enemies waiting to be made. Instead, he's going to try and recruit the disenfranchised: Elves, apostates, runaway slaves, maybe even Tal Vashoth. They're the ones on the bottom rung of society's ladder. They have very little to lose and very much to gain from drastic change. So if he shows off to anyone, it'll be to them. This is also probably why he was in that armor in Trespasser to begin with. Like you said, the Crossroads is his place. His organization is largely based there, I'd imagine. And he has to show off to them, to assure them of his power and capability. It's a way of building morale, in the same way that the Inquisitor had to put on so much pomp and circumstance when they took over. 


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My Lavellan went the stoic, "Whatever you need, we can find it together." route, personally. I didn't want to yell at him, and telling him "I love you" seemed to be missing the point. It was fairly clear, even when I didn't understand why at the time, he was pulling away in spite of being in love with her. Stating the obvious, that she loved him back, seemed pointless. There was an obstacle there that had nothing to do with a lack of sentiment, and that was what needed to be tackled to fix things. Basically, my Lavellan went into damage control/problem fixer mode automatically. lol

 

Frankly I'm surprised the Red Jennies aren't already used by Thedas' nobility to take out political rivals. It seems like an incredibly easy thing to do, just bribe a few servants into saying Lord Something-or-Another beats his staff, and boom, Jennies do him in. 

 

...Or maybe they already are widely used to do that. Sera doesn't seem like the sort to investigate thoroughly. 

Yeah, its entirely possible at least one or two savvy nobles have figured it out and do use them to their advantage. The saving grace for the remainder of the Jennies has been two-fold, I think. First off, most nobles don't seem to know what they are or how they work. Their urban legend status has been enough of a buffer. But if you have someone who figures it out and their clever enough to manipulate them, you have a recipe for disaster.  The second saving grace is that each cell is run by different people and some of them may run their cell different than others. Like, the 5 brothers in Starkhaven might bounce ideas off each other and end up more likely to avoid shady requests than a lone Jenny who's more concerned with using their role for personal gain and will ignore consequences when possible.


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A bit of real life trivia I thought I would share.    I travel everyday on a Hovercraft and on it a piece of equipment is labelled "Non Solas", with underneath the words "Reversible".    I have to assume therefore that the opposite of this would be "Solas", "Non-reversible".   Which I find amusing since that pretty much sums up Solas and his plan.


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A bit of real life trivia I thought I would share.    I travel everyday on a Hovercraft and on it a piece of equipment is labelled "Non Solas", with underneath the words "Reversible".    I have to assume therefore that the opposite of this would be "Solas", "Non-reversible".   Which I find amusing since that pretty much sums up Solas and his plan.

What do you do that you get to ride a hovercraft everyday???



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"Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison. Remember the price of treason, and keep in your heart the mercy of your gods."

We. Were. Warned.

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We were warned repeatedly.

Remember when I mentioned the vallaslin cutscene? If you choose "Whatever you're looking for, we can find it together", he replies with " No, we can't. YOU WILL SEE".

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My Lavellan went the stoic, "Whatever you need, we can find it together." route, personally. I didn't want to yell at him, and telling him "I love you" seemed to be missing the point. It was fairly clear, even when I didn't understand why at the time, he was pulling away in spite of being in love with her. Stating the obvious, that she loved him back, seemed pointless. There was an obstacle there that had nothing to do with a lack of sentiment, and that was what needed to be tackled to fix things. Basically, my Lavellan went into damage control/problem fixer mode automatically. lol

 

Your Lavellan sounds just like mine :)

 

We were warned repeatedly.

Remember when I mentioned the vallaslin cutscene? If you choose "Whatever you're looking for, we can find it together", he replies with " No, we can't. YOU WILL SEE".

 

Pah! The word "can't" just makes my Lavellan more determined.


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Since i'm particularly interested into Evanuris i'm always looking for arts about them and who know if Bioware will use such delightful arts as inspirations for their future models since they are still nebulous.
 
Two versions of Ghilan' nain.

 

 


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Since i'm particularly interested into Evanuris i'm always looking for arts about them and who know if Bioware will use such delightful arts as inspirations for their future models since they are still nebulous.
 
Two versions of Ghilan' nain.

 

 

 

They are pretty, aren't they?

 

I love it when artists make her look like someone who likes to create monsters, and meddles like a mad scientist with people's bodies for fun. A lot of Trespasser suggests that ancient elves used to be able to play fast and loose with the form of their bodies, and that Ghilan'nain didn't blink at ripping a person apart to use for her experiments.

 

Here are a few of my favorite concepts for Ghilly:

 

 


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We were warned repeatedly.

Remember when I mentioned the vallaslin cutscene? If you choose "Whatever you're looking for, we can find it together", he replies with " No, we can't. YOU WILL SEE".


No *falls apart* retcon

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No *falls apart* retcon

 

What do you mean retcon? She did see after all. And we don't even know if he meant events in Trespasser. She may as well "see what he becomes".



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What do you mean retcon? She did see after all. And we don't even know if he meant events in Trespasser. She may as well "see what he becomes".


I mean if it means they can't ever get back together, I want them to retcon that. So they can reunite lol

 

clarification: by together, i don't mean happily ever after. like, dying together, or romantic scene, then one of them dies, etc.


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Hello :3

 

Sorry for spamming again, not Solas but if anyone read Feynite's Looking Glass... I just made another fanart of Uthvir :3

 

 

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