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[lynroy]

"Just think about the Fade..." Poor kid.

[NightSymphony]

Sooo...I saw this posted today...

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[Garnet]

I was browsing through elf ears for..for no reason.. *cough* and I just came across this shop which sells vallaslin temporary tattoos!

Sadly, no Sylaise for sale.

Edit: Oh wait. Yes there is a Sylaise!  It's kind of hidden. 

 

Pictured: Mythal tattoo sample. It's not me. 

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[NightSymphony]

LOL..I kind of want some. I would just wear them to the grocery store since I can never afford to go to Cons.

 

 

EDIT:  Some chibi Inquisition art.

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http://shivikai.devi...isors-607837327

[Ghost Gal]

Skyrim didn't leave us with major unfinished business the way DAI did, so I'm perfectly happy to headcanon my Dovahkiin wandering around Tamriel in semi-retirement with her Altmer lover. The Inquisitor, though, she still has Solas to deal with... And nerfing the Inquisitor, well, she's not dead, is she?

 

 

That wouldn't be redemption, it would be defeat. Well, usually. I suppose I can see Bioware coming up with something creative and interesting for this situation.

 

1) Agreed. They can't wave that loose end in our faces and then not tie it up later.

 

2) But didn't you know? Defeat equals friendship. 

 

Bleh, much as I hate that cliche, in a way it kind of works for Solas. He strikes me as the kind of character who needs to hit rock bottom before he starts climbing up.

 

I was also thinking about it the other day, and I kind of thought that Solas seems like he doesn't really want to do it, but feels like if you befriend or romance him he seems like he really doesn't want to do it, but feels like he has to because of his own rigid, uncompromising morals and principles. Patrick Weekes himself said that in the romance he was so ready to give up on all his plans, but then pulled back because "he would have betrayed himself." It's like, he feels like he HAS to do it because otherwise he'd be betraying everything he stood and believes in, but if he befriends or romances the Inquisitor (not so if he hates your guts) he kind of wants you to prove him wrong (friend path) and/or stop him (romance path) because he doesn't want to do it but doesn't feel in good conscience like he can stop.

 

Actually, kind of reminds me of the Arishok in DAII. He's honor-bound by the demands of the Qun to find the tome or spend forever looking, then he's stuck in Kirkwall for years because he can't find it. He's miserable squatting in Kirkwall but feels he can't defect to Tal'Vashoth because his morals won't allow it, and can't return home because he'd be killed. He eventually has enough and decides to either convert Kirkwall to the Qun so he'd be home, or get killed trying (by Hawke). If he respects Hawke (and I guess Isy doesn't show up) he even kind of hints that he doesn't really want to take over Kirkwall and/or wants you to kill him so he doesn't have to keep living like this anymore, because his honor won't allow him to defect to Val'Vashoth or call off the attack.

 

Plus, I think Solas is crushed by really, really heavy guilt. His whole world is gone because of him, and I think part of the reason he's so hell-bent on returning his people (even if it means bringing the end of the current ones) is because to not do so means admitting they're gone forever, and it's all his fault.

 

Ahem.

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Bleh. I've never seen a character less deserving of redemption.

[Brass_Buckles]

Back from no-internet land!

 

To add to the recent conversation: I'm not 100% certain that the mosaics of the Evanuris do actually depict them as being bald. I find the mosaics to be quite crude, stylistically, but the patterns of the tesserae around their heads do suggest hair to me.

 

Elgar'nan seems to have a centre-parted updo, like he's standing above a very windy New York subway ventilation grille, and his long, straight hair is blowing upwards.

 

I admit it is harder to see hair on Mythal, unless the darker-coloured tesserae at the centre of her halo effect represent a (bad) haircut. Can I say that I like that she has saggy boobs and a pregnant-looking belly, and also that she holds five white flowers. Do you suppose they represent her five children? She is the all-mother, after all.

 

Falon'din might have a very thick head of hair like his dad, but it falls downwards on either side of his head instead of flaring upwards like sun rays. I find it similar to an ancient Egyptian wig.

 

The tesserae around Dirthamen's head seem to suggest a hood to me. Considering that he is the god of secrets and hoods are very rogue-like accessories, I suppose that is not really surprising. And, as we all know, once you put on a hat in Dragon Age, your hair disappears. ;D  (Also,I'm not sure whether he is holding his hands over his mouth like the speak-no-evil monkey, or puking in his mouth. It's hard to say.)

 

Andruil's hair seems to have taken after her dad's, inasmuch as it floats straight up above her head. She does not have a center part, but she does have some nice highlights on her left side.

 

Sylaise wears a pretty crown of leaves or petals, which may be holding up a crown of hair as well. The rest of her hair falls about her shoulders. It's reminiscent to me of some ancient Roman women's hairstyles.

 

June seems to be wearing a hood-mask type of thing so his hair might all be hidden by that. Or, he might have a kick-ass mohawk. There are a lot of lines of small tesserae sprouting straight up from his head that suggest as much.

 

Ghilan'nain possibly went for the Elgar'nan/Andruil troll doll hairstyle, or she might have a side ponytail draped over her right shoulder.

 

And Fen'Harel is a wolf, so he is absolutely covered in hair.

 

June was actually Thedas's first pro wrestler.  Check out that mohawk and mask!

 

(I'm not a fan of pro wrestling but I am also so not sorry.)

 

Or maybe  he's the inspiration for Orlesians' masks.  But that doesn't explain the mohawk.

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Lilium-snow comic: Varric knows how to improve Cassandra's mood.   (Solavellan)

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Source: http://lilium-snow.t...logera-filomena

 

 

Who does (awesome artist ) niklisson ship Aerys Lavellan with?

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Source: http://niklisson.tum...ship-areys-with

 

Oooh, Mr. Fen'harel, oooh!

 

In relation to the above image, Aerys drew that and pinned it to the rotunda.

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Source: http://niklisson.tum...ship-areys-with

 

 

To which every time Solas looks at it, he's like:

 

 

And the ghost of Felassan quietly judges behind him. 

 

 

When times were simpler. (Solavellan)

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Source: http://lonyn.tumblr....-hahya-lavellan

 

 

Solas and Lavellan doodle.

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Source: http://monstertree-a...-i-kind-of-lost

 

 

WIP: Friendship (bromance?) between Solas and Falon'Din.

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Source: http://domnorian.tum...as-and-falondin

 

 

Gorgeous finished sketch of sad Solas.

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Source: http://apostacyart.t.../solas-all-done

 

[Addictress]

Look at this sexy Solas closeup master post. And Fenedhiss' comment made me laugh.

http://addictress.tu...imirka-solas-an

[roselavellan]

1) Agreed. They can't wave that loose end in our faces and then not tie it up later.

 

2) But didn't you know? Defeat equals friendship. 

 

Bleh, much as I hate that cliche, in a way it kind of works for Solas. He strikes me as the kind of character who needs to hit rock bottom before he starts climbing up.

 

I was also thinking about it the other day, and I kind of thought that Solas seems like he doesn't really want to do it, but feels like if you befriend or romance him he seems like he really doesn't want to do it, but feels like he has to because of his own rigid, uncompromising morals and principles. Patrick Weekes himself said that in the romance he was so ready to give up on all his plans, but then pulled back because "he would have betrayed himself." It's like, he feels like he HAS to do it because otherwise he'd be betraying everything he stood and believes in, but if he befriends or romances the Inquisitor (not so if he hates your guts) he kind of wants you to prove him wrong (friend path) and/or stop him (romance path) because he doesn't want to do it but doesn't feel in good conscience like he can stop.

 

He seems rigid, but I think his banters show him to be thoughtful, reasonable and open to ideas. He's ready to admit he was wrong to judge Blackwall, willing to consider Varric's story about the fisherman, and of course, finally sees current Thedosians as people. He actually seems to me like someone who would reconsider his plans if he realises he's wrong.

 

So I don't really see him as someone who needs to be defeated before he chooses to be redeemed, I hope it's more a case of an intervening event that enables Solas to see an alternative path that he can choose. And I agree that Solas currently seems to think what he's doing is the only moral choice left to him.

[Uirebhiril]

I said it before, I'll say it again: It's not redemption until someone decides to change or do something different by coming to whatever conclusions necessary for themselves. Having someone beating you up or weeping at your feet being all it takes to stir you to change would be cheap and insincere. It's an internal thing. You can't do it for others or force it upon them. Most you can do is give them reasons to think and consider.

 

Also still not sure what the redemption is meant to be for, going on what we know. Redemption for putting up the Veil? Not our cause to champion. That's between him and the past. Redemption for giving his orb to Corypheus? He stayed and helped defeat the enemy, willingly. He didn't want people to suffer. He made a mistake, but you can't "make up" for mistakes. You move forward, you move on, you do what's right. He did. And the future? We don't even know what that is, so there's no redemption required, at least not yet. It's more like stop Solas or find a way to change his viewpoint. What am I missing?

[dawnstone]

I said it before, I'll say it again: It's not redemption until someone decides to change or do something different by coming to whatever conclusions necessary for themselves. Having someone beating you up or weeping at your feet being all it takes to stir you to change would be cheap and insincere. It's an internal thing. You can't do it for others or force it upon them. Most you can do is give them reasons to think and consider.

 

Also still not sure what the redemption is meant to be for, going on what we know. Redemption for putting up the Veil? Not our cause to champion. That's between him and the past. Redemption for giving his orb to Corypheus? He stayed and helped defeat the enemy, willingly. He didn't want people to suffer. He made a mistake, but you can't "make up" for mistakes. You move forward, you move on, you do what's right. He did. And the future? We don't even know what that is, so there's no redemption required, at least not yet. It's more like stop Solas or find a way to change his viewpoint. What am I missing?

I think when people say "redeem option" it is perhaps more of a shorthand for the player finding the character worth saving aka redeemable, rather than that Solas can or will receive redemption. He's more likely to get a heroic death via the "redeem option", too, I think.

[Silenceatemycat]

Joining the fun here for the first time!

 

I would love to see Solas as the main focus of the possible next game, with the player having the choice of going with the Inquisitor as their PC or a new character. If it's being set in Tevinter I don't see this as being impossible. You've got no arm, you're undercover regardless of if you disbanded the Inquisition or not, and a fake arm could easily be made by Dagna. If anything, I doubt the populace of Tevinter would recognize the Inquisitor on sight (save for Dorian of course), so it's not entirely unthinkable to play again as your Inquisitor. If you prefer not to, selecting a new PC would not be a problem, as technically you are undercover, working for the remnants of a dead/changed organization. And to be honest, with everything that happens between the Quiz and Solas regardless of your character's relationship with him, it's really a departure I would love to see, playing as my old character again.

 

What I would love to see for Dragon Age 4? Solas being a "red herring" enemy. Having him built up to be the main enemy at first, only to have the veil drop and everything go to hell for not only the world but for Solas. You can either save him from whatever happens to him (perhaps like his friend Wisdom?), or kill him. But the real enemy rears it's head after this, perhaps the old gods (Solas does state in Trespasser "I had plans" when referencing their release after the veil falls), maybe something else.

[NightSymphony]

Welcome to our little group, Silence.  I love the idea of being able to be either the Inquisitor or a new PC.  Kind of like in Awakenings where you could be your Warden or a new Warden. 

 

 

Here's some art.... 

 

Concept Solas looking all sad.

http://kallielef.dev...eamer-608037657

 

Elfroot Comic

http://ayej.devianta...les-4-607845795

[roselavellan]

I think when people say "redeem option" it is perhaps more of a shorthand for the player finding the character worth saving aka redeemable, rather than that Solas can or will receive redemption. He's more likely to get a heroic death via the "redeem option", too, I think.

 

I hope that won't be the case. It would probably be easier for Bioware (fewer divergent endings, perhaps), but it would be the lazy option, I feel. To me redeem means "save", which means we should actually have the option to save Solas, no? 

 

I said it before, I'll say it again: It's not redemption until someone decides to change or do something different by coming to whatever conclusions necessary for themselves. Having someone beating you up or weeping at your feet being all it takes to stir you to change would be cheap and insincere. It's an internal thing. You can't do it for others or force it upon them. Most you can do is give them reasons to think and consider.

 

Also still not sure what the redemption is meant to be for, going on what we know. Redemption for putting up the Veil? Not our cause to champion. That's between him and the past. Redemption for giving his orb to Corypheus? He stayed and helped defeat the enemy, willingly. He didn't want people to suffer. He made a mistake, but you can't "make up" for mistakes. You move forward, you move on, you do what's right. He did. And the future? We don't even know what that is, so there's no redemption required, at least not yet. It's more like stop Solas or find a way to change his viewpoint. What am I missing?

 

I agree. The Inquisitor may decide to redeem Solas, but the final choice should be made by Solas himself if it is to be a true redemption.

 

The online Oxford dictionary defines redeem as: "Save (someone) from sin, error, or evil". So redeeming Solas would mean saving him from going through with this horrific plan of his, I hope.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

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I hope that won't be the case. It would probably be easier for Bioware (fewer divergent endings, perhaps), but it would be the lazy option, I feel. To me redeem means "save", which means we should actually have the option to save Solas, no? 

 

 

I agree. The Inquisitor may decide to redeem Solas, but the final choice should be made by Solas himself if it is to be a true redemption.

 

The online Oxford dictionary defines redeem as: "Save (someone) from sin, error, or evil". So redeeming Solas would mean saving him from going through with this horrific plan of his, I hope.

Yeah, I'd qualify finding an alternative path, or convincing Solas his plans should not be gone through with at all, to count as "saving someone from error". We're stopping him from screwing up again. As the Inquisitor who has chosen the option says in the basement scene, "We'll save our friend from himself, if we can."

 

Also still not sure what the redemption is meant to be for, going on what we know. Redemption for putting up the Veil? Not our cause to champion. That's between him and the past. Redemption for giving his orb to Corypheus? He stayed and helped defeat the enemy, willingly. He didn't want people to suffer. He made a mistake, but you can't "make up" for mistakes. You move forward, you move on, you do what's right. He did. And the future? We don't even know what that is, so there's no redemption required, at least not yet. It's more like stop Solas or find a way to change his viewpoint. What am I missing?

 

But he is doing something bad that requires atonement/redemption by going through with his plans in the first place. A man who gets an illegal gun and a ski mask in preparation for robbing a liquor store is still doing something wrong by doing those things, even if he hasn't actually robbed the store yet. Like that prospective thief, Solas still has time to change his course before anyone (else) gets hurt, but he is currently in the wrong. So, "redeem" still applies. It would just be relatively easy redemption now, as opposed to having to atone after his plans have gone through.

 

Finally, that choice in Trespasser really felt like it was there to definitively lock in the tone and attitude of your inquisitor toward Solas. It tells the plot flags if you're willing to spare him or if you're willing to kill him so that that info can be passed on to the keep. "Stop by any means necessary" and "redeem" were acceptable shorthand summaries of those options, imo

[FernRain]

What do you do when you get dream feels? Return to the blanketfort..

 

I just dreamt Thedas was reset to the time the Evanuris were alive and well. It was something that was supposed to happen once in a while (probably after 10,000 or more years).

 

I found Solas and he was wearing yellow.. like plaidweave. He was the only one that remembered what had happened and knew me as Lavellan and what we had. I asked if he still loved me and he said yes but he also loved the Queen (I guessed Mythal or some monarch), so I spent a while trying to figure that out. Turns out I don't think he loved her romantically, he was just meant to serve her. He gave me lots of kisses (yeeeeah that was nice ).

 

I found Abelas and he was a much happier person and we hugged. He was dressed in black robes and had Mythal's vallaslin. Solas turned up and removed them, at which point I asked if the vallaslin could be used to control who was wearing it. It could, so I also got it removed by Solas. He was also wearing a vallaslin that I hadn't seen before, and was able to change its color.

 

Later on more kissing ensued (seriously my dreams are great sometimes), and more interruptions (curses). I wasn't supposed to stay with him for too long or people would turn up.

 

So that's that out of my system. It was out of nowhere but apparently Solas still haunts me in the Fade.

[Elessara]

What do you do when you get dream feels? Return to the blanketfort..

 

I just dreamt Thedas was reset to the time the Evanuris were alive and well. It was something that was supposed to happen once in a while (probably after 10,000 or more years).

 

I found Solas and he was wearing yellow.. like plaidweave. He was the only one that remembered what had happened and knew me as Lavellan and what we had. I asked if he still loved me and he said yes but he also loved the Queen (I guessed Mythal or some monarch), so I spent a while trying to figure that out. Turns out I don't think he loved her romantically, he was just meant to serve her. He gave me lots of kisses (yeeeeah that was nice ).

 

I found Abelas and he was a much happier person and we hugged. He was dressed in black robes and had Mythal's vallaslin. Solas turned up and removed them, at which point I asked if the vallaslin could be used to control who was wearing it. It could, so I also got it removed by Solas. He was also wearing a vallaslin that I hadn't seen before, and was able to change its color.

 

Later on more kissing ensued (seriously my dreams are great sometimes), and more interruptions (curses). I wasn't supposed to stay with him for too long or people would turn up.

 

So that's that out of my system. It was out of nowhere but apparently Solas still haunts me in the Fade.

 

I never dream about games ... wait, no!  I did have a dream ... about my horse breeding in BDO.  *sigh*  I'd rather have had your dream.

[FernRain]

I never dream about games ... wait, no!  I did have a dream ... about my horse breeding in BDO.  *sigh*  I'd rather have had your dream.

 

Oh no way, that's one of the only things I do in that game!

 

I've had a few dreams about Thedas, it's just usually when I have it on my mind. This one came outta nowhere. Proof Solas still watches Lavellan in the fade huh .

[CapricornSun]

Art post.

 

Gorgeous art of Solas (with hair) casting magic by kallielef. Possible DA4 scenario?

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Source: http://kallielef.tum...er-learn-beyond

 

 

Colored version of that artwork of Lavellan and Solas (who's wearing an awesome wolf skull cloak thing.)

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Source: http://nikranel.tumb...95/im-stuck-t-t

 

 

"Don't go." Adorable chibi Solas and Lavellan at the balcony! 

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Source: https://electricpoto...0797065/dont-go

 

 

Solas.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...poses-reference

 

 

Warm up drawing of Solas in his Halamshiral outfit.

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Source: http://destinyaposta...ight-so-im-just

 

 

The Dread Wolf.

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Source: http://faustianart.t.../the-dread-wolf

 

 

"We were all young once." Young Solas with hair. Oooh!

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Source: http://valalin.tumbl...na-climb-over-a

 

 

A bunch of art drawn for a follower giveaway on Tumblr. (I requested for the Solas-with-glasses art.  )

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Source: http://paranoidfacto...wer-giveaway-in

 

[Elessara]

Oh no way, that's one of the only things I do in that game!

 

I've had a few dreams about Thedas, it's just usually when I have it on my mind. This one came outta nowhere. Proof Solas still watches Lavellan in the fade huh .

 

You mean there are OTHER things to do in BDO than horse breeding?  I don't believe it!  (PM me if you want to talk about it so we don't derail the thread.)

 

Back on topic ... not to sound cynical but I wonder how much Solas actually does watch her in dreams and how many of those dreams were just Lavellan dreaming.  And if Solas is watching her ... how much of it's because he's tormenting himself and how much is to keep an eye on her because he knows she's going to try to stop him.  I know, I'm terribly unromantic.  =\

[midnight tea]

You mean there are OTHER things to do in BDO than horse breeding?  I don't believe it!  (PM me if you want to talk about it so we don't derail the thread.)

 

Back on topic ... not to sound cynical but I wonder how much Solas actually does watch her in dreams and how many of those dreams were just Lavellan dreaming.  And if Solas is watching her ... how much of it's because he's tormenting himself and how much is to keep an eye on her because he knows she's going to try to stop him.  I know, I'm terribly unromantic.  =\

 

I don't think it's about him keeping an eye on Inky to know what they're doing. After all it only happens to romanced Lavellans who didn't give up on him.

[Silenceatemycat]

I think him visiting Lavellan in dreams is him torturing himself, and making sure that she's safe. He can't stay away but knows that getting close will mean the beginning of the end of his resolve. He believes she can stop him, and even wants her to, but he can't bring himself to give into that because he sees that as betraying himself and those he considers his People.

[FernRain]

I don't think it's about him keeping an eye on Inky to know what they're doing. After all it only happens to romanced Lavellans who didn't give up on him.

 

I think him visiting Lavellan in dreams is him torturing himself, and making sure that she's safe. He can't stay away but knows that getting close will mean the beginning of the end of his resolve. He believes she can stop him, and even wants her to, but he can't bring himself to give into that because he sees that as betraying himself and those he considers his People.

 

You guys give me hope. These seem like a good answers . I've been catching up on the discussions back from page 5980ish. I didn't listen to the Biofan interview but read some of the transcript.

 

Now I'm looking forward to Tevinter (provided we go there as I think we will), considering they built on top of Elven places. The theory crafting will be so interesting.

[FernRain]

We're time traveling back to the last day of March with these quotes:

 

I would not be surprised if, as horrible as the deeds Ghilan'ain seemed to have done are, as terrible as Andruil's elf hunts were... June and Sylaise did something even more atrocious.  Why?  Because not much is said about it, which might mean that the writers are saving it up to really shock us later on.

 

Or maybe I'm wrong and they weren't that much worse than Mythal.  Still... it kind of sets me on edge because I'm expecting some serious atrocities, comparable with Falon'din's actions.

 

Andruil is the one who has been identified as the goddess of sacrifice, actually, not Sylaise. However, in some stories, Andruil and Sylaise are sisters.

 

There isn't much lore about Sylaise yet, it's true. There's a codex entry and a very short song about her and she apparently is the philosopher behind the Vir Atish'an, the Way of Peace (as a counterpoint to Andruil's Vir Tanadhal, the Way of Three Trees). And there was memory in the Vir Dirthara that related to Sylaise. That is pretty much it.

 

If she's known as a healer, perhaps the 'healer has the bloodiest hands' can apply to her.

 

And about Ghilan'nain, I'm still wondering why Solas is carying her staff in his tarot card. And the mention of her grove being peaceful when it's basically a graveyard with a shrine to him in it.

 

I wonder if Mythal really was his wife, or whether she was just assumed to be, because she was always around him in case he threw a temper tantrum. Maybe in reality she couldn't stand the guy and just stayed close to him out of a sense of duty. Maybe she felt responsible for him in some way. She is described as the protector of the elves, but back in the dawn of time, what did they need to be protected from? Powerful spirits, and Elgar'nan, is all I can think of.

 

I can't really imagine why she'd put up with him, otherwise.

 

Maybe he's like a rage demon. They're fiery, he's been symbolized with fiery things.

[NightSymphony]

More Art

 

Solas and Lavellan's sister painting and Lavellan catching them.

http://nastyaz.devia...sitor-608161725

 

Interesting hair, Solas

http://metalcoore.de...Solas-608147689

 

Concept Solas Tarot Card

http://metalcoore.de...m-DAI-608144606